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redqueen

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That doc is actually a really good one as it has drs talking
about it and the benefits from it also a lot of first hand
testimonies it's definitely worth a watch

I like the Bali strains they all seem
to be good strains, the whites seem good for daytime mostly
I found the reds best use is at night
am making a order myself soon too
this time I am thinking I might buy a few different
ones to make my own blend when I do try I will let ya know
how it goes

yeah I tried the capsules but didn't like taking them
it's why I just do a half tsp at a time straight powder with a hot
drink seems best the taste is not the best I compare it to a baking cocoa
I prefer it now,if ya can try and do not mind it that way I would consider
just taking it that way,maybe try mixing with hot chocolate as I think
that would mask the taste nicely w/e ya do don't try taking the powder
with cold as it does not work good at all lol

lol yeah at first for a bit I did find I was itching no different like ya
saidfrom then meds the drs give, I had the codeine after a surgery
I don't like taking any perscription drugs period not sure if it's because
of how I tried taking my life when I was younger my body memory
remembers and tries to purge it,seems to make me sicker even aspirin
Also found out by taking it after my surgery I'm highly allergic to codeine

That itching seems to go away after taking it for so long and ya do not
have any of the side effects off the kratom that ya get with the poisons
the dr gives ya
 

DavidSon

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I had a naive, completely positive view of kratom as an herbal stimulant. Hey it's in the coffee family of plants, right? Reading others' experiences you realize there can be a dark side to kratom use. They never mention that at the petrol station lol. Every user, no matter how light, should be forced to read through this reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/

2 hr. ago
I'm in this same exact situation. I'm actually broke so I'm about to have to taper to powder/pills. I'm scared about withdrawals. I'm taking care of my mom with cancer and chemo/ radiation. I cannot afford to take a wk off work. I'm trying to taper. It's so very very very hard. Praying for you!!! We CAN do this and beat this devil. I know it. We gotta just start somewhere. Best of luck!


I know, I'm so tired of my excuses and delaying the inevitable. I feel so weak. I used to be such strong-willed person, but I don't even recognize myself anymore.

9 hr. ago
That's true. The first year is roses, otherwise we would have all quit almost immediately after starting. It's a slow decline into madness and you don't even realize it's happening. Just wake up one day and realize all this time has gone by and you look and feel like shit and your entire life revolves around when you take it next.


10 hr. ago

Quit on 4/20/2022
Hi there. Elements of your story sound very similar to mine. When I first started, I didn’t use daily.

As a matter of fact, I had a system in place where I used every other day. I would get minor WD symptoms on my “off days” but it wasn’t anything I didn’t think I could tough out for several more days if I chose to quit for good.

Fast forward 3 and a half years and I am absolutely miserable. If I try and skip a day…I have extremely intense WDs. Sleeping if I didn’t take any that day is next to impossible.

Parts of my personality have been watered down and I find myself feeling shame and regret for my addiction every day.

I have struggled and I mean truly struggled to quit this crap at least once a week for the past 2 years.

My old thing of using “every other day” is long gone and the thought of being able to do something like that is laughably absurd. I plan on quitting again tomorrow and am literally praying that I don’t find a way to talk myself out of it by the time the headshop opens tomorrow.

It sounds like you’re on the tipping point and are just about to fall into the green hole of kratom hell.

I remember thinking the exact same thing you’re posting now …”Although I can go a while without it, it’s concerning that I spend so much time thinking about when I can use again”

Please, please, please quit today. I’m not being dramatic when I say kratom leads to hell because it does……it’s physical, mental and emotional hell.
Trust me, you absolutely do not want to end up where I’m at and others are.

This stuff goes from “hey I think this might be a problem” to “ hey this stuff is definitely a fucking problem” very, very quickly.
Given that you can already go several days with seemingly mild symptoms….you should be good to go CT now.
So again, I strongly, strongly encourage that you quit and that you do so as quickly as you possibly can.
 

elsbet

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@redqueen

It attaches to the same receptors as a pain drug the drs give​

I think you may be right.
I've never tried it (kratom), but I know someone who has for the express purpose of stepping down off the medication he was using, to get off the initial medications he was given for unrelenting pain.

It worked. I should also note, he's an incredibly stubborn and determined person. ♡ You have to want it, though. *

What the "medical" industry does to people, for no other reason beside profit, infuriates me.


Great post.


* Please read.
 
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elsbet

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I had a naive, completely positive view of kratom as an herbal stimulant. Hey it's in the coffee family of plants, right? Reading others' experiences you realize there can be a dark side to kratom use. They never mention that at the petrol station lol. Every user, no matter how light, should be forced to read through this reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/

2 hr. ago
I'm in this same exact situation. I'm actually broke so I'm about to have to taper to powder/pills. I'm scared about withdrawals. I'm taking care of my mom with cancer and chemo/ radiation. I cannot afford to take a wk off work. I'm trying to taper. It's so very very very hard. Praying for you!!! We CAN do this and beat this devil. I know it. We gotta just start somewhere. Best of luck!


I know, I'm so tired of my excuses and delaying the inevitable. I feel so weak. I used to be such strong-willed person, but I don't even recognize myself anymore.

9 hr. ago
That's true. The first year is roses, otherwise we would have all quit almost immediately after starting. It's a slow decline into madness and you don't even realize it's happening. Just wake up one day and realize all this time has gone by and you look and feel like shit and your entire life revolves around when you take it next.


10 hr. ago

Quit on 4/20/2022
Hi there. Elements of your story sound very similar to mine. When I first started, I didn’t use daily.

As a matter of fact, I had a system in place where I used every other day. I would get minor WD symptoms on my “off days” but it wasn’t anything I didn’t think I could tough out for several more days if I chose to quit for good.

Fast forward 3 and a half years and I am absolutely miserable. If I try and skip a day…I have extremely intense WDs. Sleeping if I didn’t take any that day is next to impossible.

Parts of my personality have been watered down and I find myself feeling shame and regret for my addiction every day.

I have struggled and I mean truly struggled to quit this crap at least once a week for the past 2 years.

My old thing of using “every other day” is long gone and the thought of being able to do something like that is laughably absurd. I plan on quitting again tomorrow and am literally praying that I don’t find a way to talk myself out of it by the time the headshop opens tomorrow.

It sounds like you’re on the tipping point and are just about to fall into the green hole of kratom hell.

I remember thinking the exact same thing you’re posting now …”Although I can go a while without it, it’s concerning that I spend so much time thinking about when I can use again”

Please, please, please quit today. I’m not being dramatic when I say kratom leads to hell because it does……it’s physical, mental and emotional hell.
Trust me, you absolutely do not want to end up where I’m at and others are.

This stuff goes from “hey I think this might be a problem” to “ hey this stuff is definitely a fucking problem” very, very quickly.
Given that you can already go several days with seemingly mild symptoms….you should be good to go CT now.
So again, I strongly, strongly encourage that you quit and that you do so as quickly as you possibly can.
You're a gem... glad you posted this, too. Adding link to my post.
 

redqueen

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I had a naive, completely positive view of kratom as an herbal stimulant. Hey it's in the coffee family of plants, right? Reading others' experiences you realize there can be a dark side to kratom use. They never mention that at the petrol station lol. Every user, no matter how light, should be forced to read through this reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/

2 hr. ago
I'm in this same exact situation. I'm actually broke so I'm about to have to taper to powder/pills. I'm scared about withdrawals. I'm taking care of my mom with cancer and chemo/ radiation. I cannot afford to take a wk off work. I'm trying to taper. It's so very very very hard. Praying for you!!! We CAN do this and beat this devil. I know it. We gotta just start somewhere. Best of luck!


I know, I'm so tired of my excuses and delaying the inevitable. I feel so weak. I used to be such strong-willed person, but I don't even recognize myself anymore.

9 hr. ago
That's true. The first year is roses, otherwise we would have all quit almost immediately after starting. It's a slow decline into madness and you don't even realize it's happening. Just wake up one day and realize all this time has gone by and you look and feel like shit and your entire life revolves around when you take it next.


10 hr. ago

Quit on 4/20/2022
Hi there. Elements of your story sound very similar to mine. When I first started, I didn’t use daily.

As a matter of fact, I had a system in place where I used every other day. I would get minor WD symptoms on my “off days” but it wasn’t anything I didn’t think I could tough out for several more days if I chose to quit for good.

Fast forward 3 and a half years and I am absolutely miserable. If I try and skip a day…I have extremely intense WDs. Sleeping if I didn’t take any that day is next to impossible.

Parts of my personality have been watered down and I find myself feeling shame and regret for my addiction every day.

I have struggled and I mean truly struggled to quit this crap at least once a week for the past 2 years.

My old thing of using “every other day” is long gone and the thought of being able to do something like that is laughably absurd. I plan on quitting again tomorrow and am literally praying that I don’t find a way to talk myself out of it by the time the headshop opens tomorrow.

It sounds like you’re on the tipping point and are just about to fall into the green hole of kratom hell.

I remember thinking the exact same thing you’re posting now …”Although I can go a while without it, it’s concerning that I spend so much time thinking about when I can use again”

Please, please, please quit today. I’m not being dramatic when I say kratom leads to hell because it does……it’s physical, mental and emotional hell.
Trust me, you absolutely do not want to end up where I’m at and others are.

This stuff goes from “hey I think this might be a problem” to “ hey this stuff is definitely a fucking problem” very, very quickly.
Given that you can already go several days with seemingly mild symptoms….you should be good to go CT now.
So again, I strongly, strongly encourage that you quit and that you do so as quickly as you possibly can.
We are aware that with anything no matter what it is
if it has been processed away from/by anyone other than yourself
it has things unknown in it and it's also unknow what will happen
if taken in excess
tptb love this as they design/format illness/medications
for a lot of things

I am starting to believe a lot is more designed/manipulated
,twisted and hidden about all naturals
that can cause any healing in
anyway than We can even imagine

We Know that tptb use more of what does harm Us/cost Us/confuses Us

We know that ya have to question everything,everyone no matter
the source,from different POVs or ya will not
see the many ways tptb can manipulate/twist
Us back into behaviour/behaving the
way they want to see/have Us doing

We know that for sure 100% that if it is not something
the shapers of this world such as those in charge want ya doing
or it is costing them monies/sick people tptb don't want it happening

I can see most the comments/wording
in this have those that Addicts of very strong drug/s
withdrawal of heroine/cocaine/morphine etcetera
have said/say exactly word for word almost

Which makes me think it can be/is the tptb using
trolls/agents/shills w/e your word is for em
to discredit/cause fear of usage/and outright nonusage

Kratom is something that can heal more than harm
it costs a fraction of what tptb medication costs
so is more affordable for Us in the lower end of 99%

it helps to stop taking tptb toxics that
will definitely 100% kill ya faster than Kratom will
which in turn helps with confusion it makes
it makes ya less controllable and not in the state tptb
want Us in constantly so we continue to spread that state

Be a profiler look at these criminals as though
ya are one and ask yourself
if it were me trying to achieve what tptb want to achieve
with this subject/item/public opinion
w/e the topic is ya are looking at

How can I accomplish my end goals
what can I use from/or add to this, topic/subject etc
to achieve my end goal

We do Know a lot of their agendas so it is easier
for Us to see those questions
always ask questions though as
ya cannot know the answers
if ya do not ask the questions

From my personal experience
I have NOT had any bad adverse reactions,
sometimes I need to use it more
than one day at a time and sometimes it's just a day to day usuage
as body pain is different in everyone some have constant nonstop pain
,some it's sporadic and others it ebbs and flows
no matter the cause is not needed by some for every single day
usuage
I have not experienced/or nor has anyone I have helped mention
they are having WDs from taking this
and they would know as they were on the
meds that the drs gave over 20 yrs for some
so they do understand what I am asking about and I believe
gave me honest answers

ya can only be healed so much after ya receive so much relief
from it that is all ya will receive no matter how much ya overuse

Ask yourself
If all these so called drugs that are illegal
actually bad for us or is it just too much monies/control and greed
that make them so

As if we were using them naturally
instead of manipulated the way ALL of our medications
have been since the invention of the medication we see today

would they cause the same harm/be as addictive etc
or would they work as they once did
before tptb declared them illegal UNLESS your a

dr/scientist/researcher/pharmaceutical family etc

ya do realize almost every single medication for pain,
received from anyone in that list of unless people
are heavily derived/synthetically made from all of them drugs
that are illegal for Us
the only difference there is tptb giving
ya the ok to use it to make the medication

Take another look at the addiction epidemics

we're the addicts created to show/cause fear and
eventually allow for tptb to make illegal
All in the name of keeping Us safe
from those issues/behaviour/habits w/e

or to stop Us trying to use anything microly of course to
have natural ways that will NOT cause things
such as cancer/illness w/e the list goes on and on

most if ya looked did not exist
until the medication they make did

when they were prescribing the actual drug
as the medication,even using them in food and such
a lot of those diseases did not exist

then ya have the pharmakiea come into play
tptbs sorcery/magics
now look at the diseases/illnesses we have
there is no end to them
Example
the eniccav 9pages from one concoction
imagine what they have engineered or created in their labs

I really do think tptb only outlaw mostly
the things such as plants as the example
Only because they make us more self reliant
in the healing of Ourselves

Which I wanna add NO ONE can claim ownership of
anything that is a naturally Created by OurLight

if they could wouldn't that mean
We can grow them too?Opps no wait thats
right it's illegal unless the drs/who/e
makes it into a medication/pill for us first

than it becomes ok so long
as it's not grown in our backyard
and comes from a person in a white coat its all good

Example
dr: says "
Here I want ya to take a few 100mg of
this synthetic heroine/morphine w/e
if ya be good/do as I tell ya and take your medication
that ya will probably have to take for life
to have any quality of life the way I prescribe it
cause the minute ya stop taking this
medications ya can have adverse reactions even death"

anything your body becomes used
to having a supplemented to create instead
of creating naturally
which is what your body usually
does will do ,when ya have an illness

YOUR body WILL become dependent as it has
shut off/stopped creating that cog part in the
machine that is Our body
as it no longer has to produce it

that is any addiction,if your doing in excess anything
that can become an addiction

It is now your dompamine supply
doesn't matter the addiction
the dopamine reward for that addiction
has now become your Bodies supply of it

anything used in excess or to this point as a relief provider
will have withdrawals
that will effect your life in some way
some have worse consequences than others
but All have them none the less

It's your body realizing
that the new created supply of dopamine delivery
has stopped and that it now has to
start reproducing the cog part of
machine again
that has been supplied for the years
ya were addicted

drs attitude when your doing/taking w/e meds
dr approves ya taking and ya are being good/controlled easily

"instead of an addict we'll use the word dependant
this way people know that ya take this medication
because it is all we have found that works best for ya and ya need it
to function or have any quality of life that's close to normal and enjoyable "

the minute ya don't listen/can't be controlled

dr
"oh I see ya may have become addicted
to the meds I gave ya
I am gonna make a few appointments and consultations
for ya with a few other drs that can help ya with your addiction

I'm really sorry but I can no longer give your meds to ya
starting right now,this minute
So please bring w/e ya have left to the
pharmacy that filled/supplied them for ya
for them to destroy
you cannot take anymore as of now"

Nope that would allow Us to be less
reliant/controlled of/by them not needing
even their medications or foods
double standards the old do as I say not what I do crap

What do ya think happens
when the dr decides to switch
between 2 words that mean the exact same thing

only ones for when your good and one is for
when your bad
that can affect your life so much
ya will get an epidemic of addiction

I am gonna stop as I think yapped enough
this is a passionate topic for me and I know others as well

as I do think and it's sad for me when I do
that addiction of any/all form has touched
more lives than a actual infection of actual divoc has

I do hope I made sense and y'all can understand
what it is am trying to explain

I wanted to give my thoughts/insights as someone
who used/uses and has found/helped
others find the natural solution of Kratom
for their ailments a lot of which do seem
to slowly disappear or become less severe when
not on the medication the drs gave them
 
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void_angel

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Oioi I'm currently addicted to it, lol, so, "Be careful!" is my first piece of advice. It's legal oxycodone, basically. It's an anti-inflammatory, vasodilator, and an agonist of the opioid receptors in the brain. It is sometimes used to treat patients with other opioid addictions.

From what I heard, the government wants to ban it altogether, or at least put restrictions on it's availability (of course). They (government) say there are deaths associated with it and that it's dangerous, but the only deaths reported where kratom was in the individual's system were ones where there were many other chemicals in their system, such as cocaine, heroin, etc. (things that can *actually* kill you). I guess kratom would hurt big pharma's opioid ring...

You won't die from it alone. Your body will vomit it out, and the high will plateau, so it's not like heroin or morphine.

It grows naturally without any selective breeding in regions in the south Pacific. When you purchase it, it is almost always in the form of a powder, made from the dried and ground up leaves of Mitragyna speciosa.

To consume, it is usually steeped as tea and served with some form of citrus juice, as the vitamin C activates the effects.
 
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