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...where did he call himself “Son of God?”...
"..the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of God?” 'I am,' said Jesus" (Mark 14:61-64)
Jesus said to Peter- "My Father has revealed to you that I'm the Son of God" (Matt 16:15)

"Martha said... I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God" (John 11:26/27)
And even God himself said- "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)
 

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References to Christ (The Messiah) as the Son OF God (50)


Matthew (9):
4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54

Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39

Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70

John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69, 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30

Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29

1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20


Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.


And in Psalms, where Father (God, the Most High) refers His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son: Psalm 2:7, 2:12, Dan. 3:25.

Also of interest is the designation of the other angels, both in heaven and here on earth, as “the sons of God”, “children of the Most High” or “sons of the Living God”, etc., including:

Genesis 6:2-7, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, Psalm 82:6, Hosea 1:10, John 1:12, Romans 8:14-19, Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1-2.
 

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References to The Torah and The Gospel in The Koran/Quran
(telling us why God requires us to read them and believe them)

Sura 2:53, 2:87-93,2:97-98, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:47, 4:54, 5:46-51, 6:91-94, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 10:37, 11:17, 12:111, 15:9-10, 17:2-4, 21:48, 22:52, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29, 61:6-7, 78:2


Sura 2:53. And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (Between right and wrong [The Torah]): there was a chance for you to be guided aright.

Sura 2:87-93
2:87. We gave Moses The Book (The Torah) and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Christ). Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
2:88. They say, "Our hearts (Jer. 17:9) are the wrappings (which preserve God's Word: we need no more)." Nay, The "I AM"'s curse is on them for their blasphemy: Little it is that they believe.
2:89. And when there comes to them a Book from God, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe it but the curse of God is on those without Faith.
2:90. Miserable is the price for which they have sold their souls, in that they deny (the revelation) which God has sent down, in insolent rejection that God, from His Grace, should send it to any of His servants that it pleases Him to [as is His Right]: thus have they drawn on themselves Wrath upon Wrath. And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject Faith.
2:91. When it is said to them, "Believe in what God hath sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us": yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the Prophets of God in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"
2:92. There came to you Moses with Clear (Signs) yet ye worshipped the Calf (even) after that, and ye did behave wrongfully.
2:93. And remember We took your Covenant and We raised above you (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai): (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you, and hearken (to The Law)": they said: "We hear, and we disobey": and they had to drink into their hearts (of the taint) of the Calf because of their Faithlessness. Say: "Vile indeed are the behests of your Faith if ye have any faith!"

Sura 3:1-3
3:1. A. L. M. (Almighty. Loving. Merciful.)
3:2. Allah (God). There is no God but He,- the Living, the Self-Existing (YHWH - "I AM"), Eternal.
3:3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, CONFIRMING what went before it and He sent down The Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of Judgment between right and wrong).

Sura 3:48-50
3:48. "And God will teach him the Book (Torah) and Wisdom, The Law and the Gospel,
3:49. "And (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: and I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I enliven the dead, by God's leave and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
3:50. "'(I have come to you), to affirm The Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God, and obey me.

Sura 4:54. Or do they envy mankind for what God hath given them of His Bounty? But We had already given the people of Abraham the Book (Torah) and Wisdom, and conferred upon them a great kingdom.

Sura 5:46-50
5:46. But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Law (the Torah) before them?- therein is the (plain) command of "I AM"; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith.
5:47. It was We Who revealed The Law (to Moses): therein is Guidance and Light. By its Standard (Criterion) have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed to "I AM"'s Will; the Rabbis and the Doctors of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of "I AM"'s Book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My Signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the Light of) what "I AM" hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.
5:48. We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself (Matt. 5:44). And if any fail to judge by (the Light of) what "I AM" hath revealed, they are (no better than) wrong-doers (and are the accomplices of the wrong-doers and equally guilty).
5:49. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming The Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein is Guidance and Light, and confirmation of The Law that had come before him: a Guidance and a Warning to those who fear "I AM".
5:50. Let the People of the Gospel judge by what "I AM" hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the Light of) what "I AM" hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel (and are equally guilty).

Sura 6:91-92
6:91. No just estimate of "I AM" do they make when they say: "Nothing doth "I AM" send down to man (by way of revelation)": say: "Who then sent down the Book (Torah) which Moses brought?- a Light and Guidance to man: but ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor your fathers." Say: "("I AM") (sent it down)": then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling.
6:92. And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Isaiah 1:1, 21; Matt. 23:37) and all around her (just like almost all of the previous Prophets were also told to do). Those who believe in the Hereafter (also) believe this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.

Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses the Book (Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (Torah) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"
6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If the Book (Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Sura 7:157. "Those who follow The Apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures - the Bible),- in The Law (Torah) and the Gospel (New Testament - Covenant);- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); he releases them from their heavy burdens (Matthew 23:1-4) and from the yokes that are upon them (Matt. 11:28-30). So it is those who believe him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper (King of kings' Bible - John 8:3, KJV John 8:12)."

Sura 9:111. "I AM" hath purchased from the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the Garden (of Bliss): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through The Law (Torah), the Gospel (New Testament/Covenant), and the Koran: and who is more faithful to His Covenant (in the Bible) than "I AM"? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded (to fulfill The Covenant of "I AM" written in the Bible): that is the achievement supreme.

Sura 11:17. Can they be (like) those who accept a Clear (Sign) from their Lord, and whom a witness from Himself doth teach, as did the Book of Moses (the Torah) before it,- a guide and a mercy? They believe therein but those of the Sects that reject it,- the Fire will be their promised meeting-place. Be not then in doubt thereon: for it is the Truth from thy Lord: yet many among men do not believe!

Sura 15:9-10
15:9. We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
15:10. We did send Apostles BEFORE thee amongst the religious sects (John 17:21; Sura 6:159) of old:


Sura 17:2-4
17:2. We gave Moses the Book (Torah), and made it a Guide to the Children of Israel, (commanding): "Take no-one and nothing other than Me as Disposer of (your) affairs."
17:3. O ye that are sprung from those whom We carried (in the Ark) with Noah! Verily he was a most grateful devotee.
17:4. And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Children of Israel in the Book (Bible), that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished - Enoch 90:6-9; Matt. 24:37-39)!

Sura 21:48. In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron the Criterion (Torah) (for Judgment), and a Light and a Message for those who would do right,-

Sura 23:20. Also a "tree" (of Knowledge) springing out of Mount Sinai (the Torah), which produces "oil" (of enlightenment), and enjoyment for those who use it for food (spiritual food).

Sura 23:49. And We gave Moses the Book (Torah), in order that they might receive Guidance.

Sura 25:35. (Before this,) We sent Moses The Book (Torah), and appointed his brother Aaron with him as minister;

Sura 28:1-3
28:1. Ta. Sin. Mim. (The Story of Moses - T.S.M.)
28:2. These are Verses from the Book (Torah) that makes (things) clear.
28:3. We rehearse to thee some of the story of Moses and Pharaoh in Truth, for people who believe.

Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

Sura 35:25-32
35:25. And if they reject thee, so did their predecessors, to whom came their Apostles with Clear Signs, Books of dark prophecies, and the Book of Enlightenment (Torah).
35:26. In the end did I punish those who rejected Faith: and how (terrible) was My rejection (of them)!
35:27. Seest thou not that "I AM" sends down rain from the sky? With it We then bring out produce of various colours. And in the mountains are tracts white and red, of various shades of colour, and black intense in hue.
35:28. And so amongst men and crawling creatures and cattle, are they of various colours. Those truly fear "I AM", among His Servants, who have Knowledge: for "I AM" is Almighty, Oft-Forgiving.
35:29. Those who rehearse the Book of "I AM", establish constant Prayer, and spend (in Charity) out of what We have provided for them, secretly and openly, hope for a Commerce that will never fail:
35:30. For He will pay them their merit, nay, He will give them (even) more out of His Bounty: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Ready to appreciate (service).
35:31. That which We have revealed to thee about the Book (Bible) is the Truth,- confirming what was (revealed) before: for "I AM" is assuredly - with respect to His Servants - well acquainted and Fully Observant.
35:32. Then We have given the Book (Bible) for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by "I AM"'s leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the Highest Grace.

Sura 37:117. And We gave them the Book (Torah) which helps to make things clear;

Sura 40:53. We did aforetime give Moses the (Book of) Guidance (Torah), and We gave the Book in inheritance to the Children of Israel,-

Sura 40:70. Those who reject the Book (Bible) and the (Revelations) with which We sent our Apostles: but soon shall they know,-

Sura 41:45. We certainly gave Moses the Book aforetime: but disputes arose thereat. Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, (their differences) would have been settled between them: but they remained in suspicious disquieting doubt thereon.

Sura 42:14-17
42:14. And they became divided only after Knowledge reached them,- through selfish envy between themselves. Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord, (tending) to a Term appointed, the matter would have been settled between them: but truly those who have inherited the Book (Torah) after them are in suspicious (disquieting) doubt concerning it.
42:15. Now then, for that (reason), call (them to the Faith), and stand steadfast as thou art commanded, nor follow thou their vain desires but say: "I believe the Book (Bible) which "I AM" has sent down and I am commanded to judge justly between you. "I AM" is our Lord and your Lord: for us (is the responsibility for) our deeds, and for you for your deeds. There is no contention between us and you. "I AM" will bring us together, and to Him is (our) Final Goal.
42:16. But those who dispute concerning "I AM" after He has been accepted,- futile is their dispute in the Sight of their Lord: on them will be a Penalty terrible.
42:17. It is "I AM" Who has sent down the Book (Bible) in Truth, and the Balance (Torah - Sura 6:154-157; 57:25) (by which to weigh conduct). And what will make thee realise that perhaps the Hour is close at hand?

Sura 45:16. We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book (Bible), the Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations.

Sura 46:12. And before this, was the Book of Moses (Torah) as a guide and a mercy: and this Book CONFIRMS (it - the Torah) in the Arabic tongue; to warn the unjust, and as Good News to those who do right.

Sura 46:30. They said, "O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides (men) to the Truth and to The Straight Way.

Sura 48:29. Muhammad is the Apostle of "I AM"; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from "I AM" and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat (Torah); and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. "I AM" has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds Forgiveness, and a great Reward.

Sura 53:36-47
53:36. Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Books of Moses-
53:37. And about Abraham who fulfilled his commitments?-
53:38. Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;
53:39. That man can have nothing but what he strives for;
53:40. That (the fruit of) his striving will soon come in sight;
53:41. Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete;
53:42. That to thy Lord is the final Goal;
53:43. That it is He Who granteth Laughter and Tears;
53:44. That it is He Who granteth Death and Life;
53:45. That He did create in pairs,- male and female,
53:46. From a seed when lodged (in its place);
53:47. That He hath promised a Second Creation (Resurrection of the Dead);

Sura 57:25-29
57:25. We sent aforetime our Apostles with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book (Torah) and the Balance (of Right and Wrong) (The Covenant), that men may stand forth in justice and We sent down Iron, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that "I AM" may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His Apostles: for "I AM" is Full of Strength, Almighty (and able to enforce His Will).
57:26. And We sent Noah and Abraham, and established in their line Prophethood and Revelation: and some of them were on right guidance. But many of them became rebellious transgressors.
57:27. Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our Apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of "I AM"; but, that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors.
57:28. O ye that believe! Fear "I AM", and believe in His Messenger, and He will bestow on you a double portion of His Mercy: He will provide for you a Light by which ye shall walk (straight in your path), and He will forgive you (your past): for "I AM" is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
57:29. That the People of the Book (Bible) may know that they have no power whatever over the Grace of "I AM", that (His) Grace is (entirely) in His Hand, to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. For "I AM" is the Lord of Grace abounding.

Sura 61:6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Apostle of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter (John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
 

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Regarding the Koran, NOWHERE does it say Jesus is the son of God, it simply says Jesus was a prophet; therefore it's saying both Jesus and God are liars, tut tut, that makes muslims prime candidates for-

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Jesus -- who was the HUMAN son, born of the virgin body of Mary in Bethlehem -- referred to himself over 80 times in the Gospel accounts as the “Son of Man”:-


Matthew (30): 8:20, 9:6, 10:23, 11:19, 12:8, 12:32, 12:40, 13:37, 13:41, 16:13, 16:27, 16:28, 17:9, 17:12, 17:22, 18:11, 19:28, 20:18, 20:28, 24:27, 24:30, 24:37, 24:39, 24:44, 25:13, 25:31, 26:2, 26:24, 26:45, 26:64

Mark (14): 2:10, 2:28, 8:31, 8:38, 9:9, 9:12, 9:31, 10:33, 10:45, 13:26. 13:34, 14:21, 14:41, 14:62,

Luke (26): 5:24, 6:4, 6:22, 7:34, 9:22, 9:26, 9:44, 9:56, 9:58, 11:30, 12:8, 12:10, 12:40, 17:22, 17:24, 17:26, 17:30, 18:8, 18:31, 19:10, 21:27, 21:36, 22:22, 22:48, 22:69, 24:7

John (11): 1:51, 3:13, 3:14, 5:27, 6:27, 6:53, 6:62, 8:19, 12:23, 12:34, 13:31


The SPIRITUAL-BEING OF LIGHT and First-Created Son of God Whom we refer to here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ -- known in heaven as Prince Michael -- plainly stated THROUGH THE MOUTH OF JESUS that He IS "NOT OF THIS WORLD" and that He has been around "SINCE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS"

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Anyone who remains defiantly clueless as to the differences between the spirit (spiritual-Being/Soul/Jinn) and the flesh (human) on the Last Day WILL join Lucifer/Satan/Iblis in The Fire, regardless of whether they call themselves "Christians" or "Muslims".
 

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..Anyone who remains defiantly clueless as to the differences between the spirit (spiritual-Being/Soul/Jinn) and the flesh (human) on the Last Day WILL join Lucifer/Satan/Iblis in The Fire, regardless of whether they call themselves "Christians" or "Muslims".
Muslims and Jews say 'Jesus was not the Son of God', and many so-called christians say "Jesus was not the son of God, he was God himself", so they'll all be sharing the naughty step together.:)-
"A liar denies Jesus is the Christ, and is an antichrist" (1 John 2:22/23)

 

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Is Jesus the firstborn son?




in the mind of God, the Jesus to be was the firstborn of creation and all other things were created, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of him. Col 1:15, 16, Rev 3:14, 13:8 etc.





The children of Israel are all sons of God

Exodus (Chapter 4)

, 'Thus says the LORD, “Israel is My son, My firstborn.



Here the children of Israel are all distinguished by:

1- They were called sons of God

2- They were distinguished by the title of firstborn and thus they are according to the Holy Book the first sons of God and no one preceded them



Solomon, peace be upon him, the son of God

1 Chronicles (Chapter 22)

He will build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.





Here Solomon, peace be upon him,

1- He was called the son of God

2- His kingdom will be established forever

3- He existed from eternity before God created anything and thus the Christians’ argument that Jesus existed from eternity with the Father and the Holy Spirit alone was invalidated because Solomon, peace be upon him, also existed from eternity







As you can see, the miracle of the creation of Adam without a father and mother is greater than the miracle of the creation of Christ without a father only.



However, Adam did not claim divinity and no one worshiped him





Genesis 2:7

Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.





Christ also did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone

He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god



3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.



John 17:3



What about Melchizedek, about whom it was said: Hebrews 3: 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God,

Hebrews 7:3



. So why don't Christians worship Melchizedek?





the divinity of Christ was adopted in the fourth century, since the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 AD, and since its convening, belief in the divinity of Christ became the official position of the church, contradicting the teachings of Christ, who commanded the worship of the Father alone.





Melchizedek








Ahmed deedat : A figure mentioned in the Bible, even greater than Jesus












Muslims care about the Quran and the authentic hadiths only through our original sources in the Arabic language

But Christians care about their distorted holy book through its writers who are unknown and do not have original sources in the Aramaic language, the language of Christ
 

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Jesus was not eternal from eternity













The argument is made that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” in Abraham’s time. However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the plan of God. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge.



Here is another example where a Prophet existed in God’s foreknowledge. even before he was born, yet he was not at all Divine,



Jeremiah 1:5 –“Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,

before you were born I set you apart;

I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”









Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: “I was a Prophet when Adam was between water and clay”

Yet, no Muslim claims that the Prophet was god .



Attaching ‘Divinity’ to such statements shall be absurd and meaningless.







Because the Gospels are distorted, and Jesus did not say everything that John mentioned



The text does not specify the period that Jesus, peace be upon him, is supposed to have lived before Abraham, and there is no evidence that it is eternal. Therefore, there is never a faithful way to make this passage in John 8:58 proves the divinity of Christ





There is no word for "am" in Hebrew or Arabic. And pronouns are not proper nouns.



Basic grammer.

















Q&A Jesus:Before Abraham Was, I Am (John 8:58) - Sheikh



 

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Christ is only a prophet of God and is never equal to God


[The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one] (Mark 12:32)

[But in vain they do worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.] (Matthew 15:9)

[As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.] (John 8:40)


[By myself I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear.] (John 5:30)



“Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51
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22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is He his son?



the word Lord for Christ in the New Testament does not necessarily mean divinity.

As in the story of the Samaritan woman who said to Christ.

The woman said: “Lord, I see that you are a prophet.” So she calls him Lord, and she still concludes that he is only a prophet.
 

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Muslims and Jews say 'Jesus was not the Son of God', and many so-called christians say "Jesus was not the son of God, he was God himself", so they'll all be sharing the naughty step together.:)-
"A liar denies Jesus is the Christ, and is an antichrist" (1 John 2:22/23)

Have you ever considered the possibility that YOU are a liar and are antichrist? How can anyone get to know Christ, when they are fixated on the human body that Christ INCARNATED 2000 years ago (John 1:14), i.e. the body of Jesus, born of the virgin body of Mary (in reality, an actor pretending to be Jesus)?
 
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Christ is only a prophet of God and is never equal to God
Agreed. Nowhere in the Gospel accounts did Christ -- while incarnated inside of Jesus (John 1:14) -- ever claim to be equal to God (John 14:28), nor part of any "trinity". But that doesn't mean that Christ isn't the Son OF God, exactly as He said, through the mouth of Jesus.

[The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one] (Mark 12:32)
Mark 12:29-34
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.
12:32 And the lawyer said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but He:
12:33 And to love Him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love [his] neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from The Kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him [any question].

[But in vain they do worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.] (Matthew 15:9)
Just as the "Muslims" do with Muhammad, choosing to partner the satanic, fabricated hadith and its "Shariah law" with God's Word.

[As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.] (John 8:40)
Including the truth that the "Jews" succeeded in manipulating the Roman army to crucify (kill) Jesus, after which God raised him 3 days and 3 nights later, exactly as truthfully prophesied.

[By myself I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear.] (John 5:30)
Amen. There's no other power other than the power of God. The same God of Christ/Prince Michael (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12).
 

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22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is He his son?



the word Lord for Christ in the New Testament does not necessarily mean divinity.

As in the story of the Samaritan woman who said to Christ.

The woman said: “Lord, I see that you are a prophet.” So she calls him Lord, and she still concludes that he is only a prophet.
Here's the full question, which you still haven't answered:

Mark 12:35-37
12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in The Temple, How say the lawyers that Christ is the Son of David?
12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The "I AM" said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he [then] his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Hint:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

see also the lineage of Jesus, descendant of David in Matthew 1:1-17.
 

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Clout quote- "Muslims and Jews say 'Jesus was not the Son of God', and many so-called christians say "Jesus was not the son of God, he was God himself", so they'll all be sharing the naughty step together.:)-
"A liar denies Jesus is the Christ, and is an antichrist" (1 John 2:22/23) -unquote
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....the body of Jesus, born of the virgin body of Mary (in reality, an actor pretending to be Jesus)

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...The children of Israel are all sons of God..
Exodus (Chapter 4)
That may have been true in ancient Old Testament times, but then they murdered his son, so if they're still children of God, I'm Alice in Wonderland..:)

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Clout quote-
While it's appreciated that you recognize that Christ is the (FirstCreated) Son of God, and not God nor part of a "trinity", your confusion about the the spirit and the flesh, and not knowing the difference between the two, isn't helping anyone, including you.

Here's the question again, which neither you nor the "Muslims" have yet to answer:

Mark 12:35-37
12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in The Temple, How say the lawyers that Christ is the Son of David?
12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The "I AM" said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he [then] his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Hint:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

see also the lineage of Jesus, descendant of David in Matthew 1:1-17.

It is for your benefit and everyone else's that Christ asked this question, which has a very simple spiritual answer, to explain why the terms "Son of Man" were used to describe Jesus, while at the same time the term "Son of God" is used to describe Christ.
 

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Here's the question again, which neither you nor the "Muslims" have yet to answer:

Mark 12:35-37
12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in The Temple, How say the lawyers that Christ is the Son of David?
12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The "I AM" said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he [then] his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Hint:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

see also the lineage of Jesus, descendant of David in Matthew 1:1-17.

It is for your benefit and everyone else's that Christ asked this question, which has a very simple spiritual answer, to explain why the terms "Son of Man" were used to describe Jesus, while at the same time the term "Son of God" is used to describe Christ.
While it's appreciated that you recognize that Christ is the (FirstCreated) Son of God, and not God nor part of a "trinity", your confusion about the the spirit and the flesh, and not knowing the difference between the two, isn't helping anyone, including you.

Here's the question again, which neither you nor the "Muslims" have yet to answer:

Mark 12:35-37
12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in The Temple, How say the lawyers that Christ is the Son of David?
12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The "I AM" said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he [then] his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Hint:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

see also the lineage of Jesus, descendant of David in Matthew 1:1-17.

It is for your benefit and everyone else's that Christ asked this question, which has a very simple spiritual answer, to explain why the terms "Son of Man" were used to describe Jesus, while at the same time the term "Son of God" is used to describe Christ.
You seem to be over-complicating things in your long post mate, Jesus said multiple times "I am the Son of God", and that's good enough for me..:)
Paul told people - "I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
 

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You seem to be over-complicating things in your long post mate, Jesus said multiple times "I am the Son of God", and that's good enough for me..:)
Paul told people - "I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
It's not a long post, nor is it complicated question. It's actually a very important question directly from Christ.

If you cannot answer such a short and simple question, or refuse to even contemplate it, just say so.
 

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Here's the question again, which neither you nor the "Muslims" have yet to answer:
Mark 12:35-37
12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in The Temple, How say the lawyers that Christ is the Son of David?
12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit, The "I AM" said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he [then] his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
I don't understand the question so I can't answer it..:)
 
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