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God is perfect, has no flaws, knows everything
God was not born from a woman's vagina
God does not leave his creation to kill him
God does not eat, sleep, or defecate
God has no human imperfections
God does nothing that can harm his greatness
God has absolute power and follows no one
But Christ follows the will of God (the Father)
Christ did not know the time of the hour
People tried to kill him
He eats, sleeps and poops
Christ was born of a woman
God (the Father) is God alone and Christ is the prophet of God only and is not equal to God (the Father)
Why doesn't God come down to earth instead of the messengers?
The answer for us Muslims is in ‘Aaya 21:23, He is never to be questioned about any act of His while they( people) are to be questioned for their acts.
Allah has given us the messages through his own words in the Quran , and then appointed prophets and Messengers from among us to explain the verses to us. So it is not true that Allah has not conveyed the message Himself.
This whole issue goes back to whether we accept God as the Doer of everything. If we accept this principle that God is doing everything, it follows easily that He explains the Quran through His messenger. It is not the messenger who is doing the explaining, it is God. The messenger is just the means of communication – he is just delivering the message from God to us.
The danger is in forgetting that the guidance is from God and attributing it to the messenger. The messenger does not really guide or explain or purify. Those things happen through him in accordance with God’s will. God is the One who guides and explains and purifies.
“If you want to talk to Allah offer Salah. If you want Allah to talk to you read Quraan.”
The question was can Allah talk communicate with human beings.
So the answer is Yes, he can communicate and he does communicate by Salah and Quran.
P1 Perfection of God in Islam Vs the Bible! Shamsi and Visitor Speakers Corner
P2 Perfection Of God In Islam vs The Bible! Shamsi and Visitor Speakers Corner
Why Don't Allah come down on earth (Zakir Naik)
بروفيسور صيني يتقبل الهزيمة من الشيخ عثمان بعد أن كانت كل أبحاثه في الإنجيل
A Chinese professor accepts defeat from Sheikh Othman after all his research was in the Bible
God was not born from a woman's vagina
God does not leave his creation to kill him
God does not eat, sleep, or defecate
God has no human imperfections
God does nothing that can harm his greatness
God has absolute power and follows no one
But Christ follows the will of God (the Father)
Christ did not know the time of the hour
People tried to kill him
He eats, sleeps and poops
Christ was born of a woman
God (the Father) is God alone and Christ is the prophet of God only and is not equal to God (the Father)
Why doesn't God come down to earth instead of the messengers?
The answer for us Muslims is in ‘Aaya 21:23, He is never to be questioned about any act of His while they( people) are to be questioned for their acts.
Allah has given us the messages through his own words in the Quran , and then appointed prophets and Messengers from among us to explain the verses to us. So it is not true that Allah has not conveyed the message Himself.
This whole issue goes back to whether we accept God as the Doer of everything. If we accept this principle that God is doing everything, it follows easily that He explains the Quran through His messenger. It is not the messenger who is doing the explaining, it is God. The messenger is just the means of communication – he is just delivering the message from God to us.
The danger is in forgetting that the guidance is from God and attributing it to the messenger. The messenger does not really guide or explain or purify. Those things happen through him in accordance with God’s will. God is the One who guides and explains and purifies.
“If you want to talk to Allah offer Salah. If you want Allah to talk to you read Quraan.”
The question was can Allah talk communicate with human beings.
So the answer is Yes, he can communicate and he does communicate by Salah and Quran.
P1 Perfection of God in Islam Vs the Bible! Shamsi and Visitor Speakers Corner
P2 Perfection Of God In Islam vs The Bible! Shamsi and Visitor Speakers Corner
Why Don't Allah come down on earth (Zakir Naik)
بروفيسور صيني يتقبل الهزيمة من الشيخ عثمان بعد أن كانت كل أبحاثه في الإنجيل
A Chinese professor accepts defeat from Sheikh Othman after all his research was in the Bible
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Absolutely.
God is NOT a man (human), nor the son of man (Num. 23:19), nor is there a queen of heaven, as God does NOT have a consort (Jer. 44:17-25; Sura 6:100-101) nor does He procreate human offspring. God is a Spiritual-Being (John 4:24), as are all of His Children (aka the angels/Sons of God), whom God CREATED (Sura 2:117; Sura 36:82).
Agreed. Christ, God's Eldest/Firstborn Son is the first spiritual-Being that God created (Col. 1:12-15; Heb. 1:1-4; Rev. 3:14).
And only succeeded in murdering Jesus.
Jesus, the human son of Mary had these human functions, just as all humans do.
As an immortal spiritual-Being, Christ has no need for any of these things.
Jesus was born of the virgin body of Mary, exactly as prophesied in the Old Covenant/Testament, and recorded in the New Covenant/Testament and confirmed in the Koran/Quran.
Christ has been around since before the world was (John 17:5)
Exactly as Christ told us through the mouth of Jesus:
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
If one wants to get to know both God and His Messenger/Prophet/Firstborn Son, it is critically important to differentiate between the spirit (the immortal spiritual-Being/Jinn/Soul) and the flesh (the mortal human).
John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
John 3:19-21
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be revealed.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Christ was not crucified
The four scribes disagreed on the issue of crucifixion, and their statements are conflicting. Here, I cannot be certain that Christ was the crucified one.
I do not rely for salvation from hell on a book that The four scribes do not know how to verify the facts in it
Therefore, the opinion of the party that supports crucifixion does not matter because they are seeking the help of these false scribes!
A study of the Bible, especially the accounts of the crucifixion, reveals various inconsistencies. These contradictions question the reliability of the Bible we have today and what is mentioned within it. Just as a lawyer, on hearing differing accounts from so-said eyewitnesses that place the entire case into doubt, is compelled to question the reliability of what he has heard, so too is the case with students of religion when they read various clashing accounts in the Bible.
In most cases, the authenticity of an eyewitness is completely dropped when a story, between two people, doesn’t match.
None of the four gospel writers was an eyewitness to the crucifixion; we only have second-hand reporting. Now, I’m no lawyer, but I know enough to know that second-hand reporting in courts, in some cases, is ruled out.
. Seeing such differences, any student of religion is compelled to seriously question the authenticity of their words.
Vinegar or myrrh
Before Jesus was placed on the cross, the Bible states he was given something to drink.
Matthew writes:
“They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.” (Matthew 27:34)
However, Mark states:
“And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.” (Mark 15:23)
Luke and John are quiet regarding this matter.
Time of the crucifixion
It is important to record the time at which an incident occurred when determining the authenticity of a story. This is, among all other evidence, a crucial point that can build the authenticity of a narration. If there seems to be a complication or mismatch between two stories of the same incident, it opens the entire case to more questions.
When we read the Bible, two different times in the accounts of the crucifixion have been recorded by Mark and John.
Mark states:
“And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.” (Mark 15:25)
“And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!” (John 19:14)
And
The color of Jesus' robe
We read in Matthew 27:28, “And they stripped him and put on him a scarlet robe.” This was just before the crown of thorns scene. So there he was naked except for the scarlet robe.
The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe
◄ John 19:2 ►
The first meeting between Hashem and the Christian missionary Ken | A clip worth watching
A dangerous prophecy that no one talks about from the Bible proves that Christ was not crucified and raised to heaven
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Christ has been around since before the world was (John 17:5)
Not everything John says about Christ is true
Jesus was not eternal from eternity
There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” . However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the plan of God. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge.
Here is another example where a Prophet existed in God’s foreknowledge. even before he was born, yet he was not at all Divine,
Jeremiah 1:5 –“Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: “I was a Prophet when Adam was between water and clay”
Yet, no Muslim claims that the Prophet was god .
Attaching ‘Divinity’ to such statements shall be absurd and meaningless.
Because the Gospels are distorted, and Jesus did not say everything that John mentioned
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The four scribes disagreed on the issue of crucifixion, and their statements are conflicting. Here, I cannot be certain that Christ was the crucified one.
I do not rely for salvation from hell on a book that The four scribes do not know how to verify the facts in it
Therefore, the opinion of the party that supports crucifixion does not matter because they are seeking the help of these false scribes!
A study of the Bible, especially the accounts of the crucifixion, reveals various inconsistencies. These contradictions question the reliability of the Bible we have today and what is mentioned within it. Just as a lawyer, on hearing differing accounts from so-said eyewitnesses that place the entire case into doubt, is compelled to question the reliability of what he has heard, so too is the case with students of religion when they read various clashing accounts in the Bible.
In most cases, the authenticity of an eyewitness is completely dropped when a story, between two people, doesn’t match.
None of the four gospel writers was an eyewitness to the crucifixion; we only have second-hand reporting. Now, I’m no lawyer, but I know enough to know that second-hand reporting in courts, in some cases, is ruled out.
. Seeing such differences, any student of religion is compelled to seriously question the authenticity of their words.
Vinegar or myrrh
Before Jesus was placed on the cross, the Bible states he was given something to drink.
Matthew writes:
“They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.” (Matthew 27:34)
However, Mark states:
“And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.” (Mark 15:23)
Luke and John are quiet regarding this matter.
Time of the crucifixion
It is important to record the time at which an incident occurred when determining the authenticity of a story. This is, among all other evidence, a crucial point that can build the authenticity of a narration. If there seems to be a complication or mismatch between two stories of the same incident, it opens the entire case to more questions.
When we read the Bible, two different times in the accounts of the crucifixion have been recorded by Mark and John.
Mark states:
“And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.” (Mark 15:25)
“And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!” (John 19:14)
And
The color of Jesus' robe
We read in Matthew 27:28, “And they stripped him and put on him a scarlet robe.” This was just before the crown of thorns scene. So there he was naked except for the scarlet robe.
The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe
◄ John 19:2 ►
The first meeting between Hashem and the Christian missionary Ken | A clip worth watching
A dangerous prophecy that no one talks about from the Bible proves that Christ was not crucified and raised to heaven
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Christ has been around since before the world was (John 17:5)
Not everything John says about Christ is true
Jesus was not eternal from eternity
There is no question that Jesus figuratively “existed” . However, he did not actually physically exist as a person; rather he “existed” in the plan of God. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge.
Here is another example where a Prophet existed in God’s foreknowledge. even before he was born, yet he was not at all Divine,
Jeremiah 1:5 –“Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: “I was a Prophet when Adam was between water and clay”
Yet, no Muslim claims that the Prophet was god .
Attaching ‘Divinity’ to such statements shall be absurd and meaningless.
Because the Gospels are distorted, and Jesus did not say everything that John mentioned
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Well who you think it was up there on the cross, the Last of the Mohicans?
Incidentally don't laugh but the Koran says it was a 'stunt man'..
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No, but Jesus, the human body Christ incarnated, was crucified.
And Christ, the Spiritual-Being incarnated inside Jesus, absolutely suffered the agony of the cross, just as we feel what happens to the body each of us are presently incarnating.
These are LIES.
Why do you feel the need to repeat lies? There is absolutely NOTHING conflicting about the information recorded by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John about the crucifixion. In fact, all four accounts are necessary to fully understand the complete picture of what happened, and when it happened.
From that information, it's possible to determine the exact date of the crucifixion which, adjusted for our present Gregorian calendar, would have been on WEDNESDAY, April 21, 34 AD.
Jesus was then buried for three days and three nights, exactly as prophesied (e.g. Matt. 12:39-40), before God raised Jesus from the dead on SATURDAY (April 24, 34 AD), which is the weekly Sabbath day, also known as The Lord's Day. Exactly as CONFIRMED in the Koran/Quran (Sura 3:55; Sura 4:158; Sura 6:122 and Sura 19:33-34) - yes, the Koran/Quran CONFIRMS that Jesus was indeed crucified and that it's impossible for humans to murder a spiritual-Being (The Messiah/Christ), and that God raised Jesus, exactly as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John recorded in the Gospel accounts of Jesus.
Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ (John 1:10), but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. NAY, GOD RAISED HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all MUST believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Sura 43:61);-
Note well: Sura 4:157 is probably the most misunderstood verse in the Koran. IF it is read properly, it provides us with CLEAR SIGNS AND CONVINCING PROOF that The Messiah/Christ, the immortal spirit-Being incarnated inside the mortal human Jesus (John 1:14, Sura 2:87, Sura 2:253, Sura 5:113), was NOT crucified; but JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED AND RAISED FROM THE DEAD BY GOD HIMSELF, as it says throughout the Bible and Koran, including in the very next verse (Sura 4:158).
Further confirmation of the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus:-
Sura 6:122. Can he who was dead (Jesus – Matt. 27:50-54, Mark 15:37-39, Luke 23:44-47, John 19:30-42) to whom We gave life (Matt. 28:5-10, Mark 16:6-8, Luke 24, John 20), and a Light (John 3:19-21, John 8:3) with which he (Christ) walks amongst men, be like him who is in the depths of darkness (Lucifer), from which he can never come out? Thus to those without Faith their own deeds seem pleasing (Deut. 4:28, Matt. 6:5).
Excerpts from Sura 19:16-37, about Mary, the virgin birth, Jesus and the crucifixion and resurrection:
19:19. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of an HOLY SON (Rev. 15:4, Sura 59:23, Sura 62:1)."
19:27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
19:33. So Peace is on me the day I was born, THE DAY THAT I DIE, AND THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE RAISED UP TO LIFE (again)!"
19:34. SUCH (WAS) JESUS THE SON OF MARY: (IT IS) A STATEMENT OF TRUTH, about which they (vainly) dispute.
19:35. It is not befitting to (the Majesty of) "I AM" that He should beget a (human) son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
19:36. Verily "I AM" is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is The Way that is straight.
19:37. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
19:38. How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! But the unjust today are clearly in error!
Note well: the word “beget” in this context means to procreate through sexual intercourse. God is NOT a human [Num. 23:19, Hos. 11:9, John 4:24), and therefore does NOT have/beget human children. He did however CREATE the Angels (Spirit-Beings), through Christ (Heb. 1:1-9), which are referred to as the Sons of God (the immortal spirit-Beings, NOT the humans they incarnate – Sura 9:30)]. And in doing so, He became our Heavenly Father (Matt. 6:9).
Jesus, WAS the mortal human son (“Son of Man”), born of the virgin body of Mary. Christ, the immortal Spirit-Being, IS the Firstborn/First-created Son of God. Together they formed the human+Being referred to as Jesus+Christ. It is The Messiah/Christ that is prophesied to return in a new body (Gen. 49:10, 22-24) with a new name (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12) just before the Last Day (Mal. 4, Sura 43:61), NOT Jesus.
Until these irrefutable FACTS are clearly understood and no longer ignored, so-called Muslims (unbelievers really) will continue to vainly dispute against God and His Messenger, until they too find themselves in The Fire, exactly as the Koran warns us at least 300 times.
Will YOU and your fellow "Muslims" from the "Islamic" SECTS continue to ignore these clear signs from God and dispute in vain the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, thereby and very foolishly (and satanically) calling God and His Christ liars?
Sura 3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Apparently, you don't believe the Koran/Quran either, which refutes your satanic claims and confirms that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John together are indeed providing a truthful, accurate account of the life, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.
It's truly amazing that you can start a thread about Light being on The Way (John 8:3; John 14:6) and be absolutely clueless as to who The Light of The World really is.
John 3:19-21
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be revealed.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
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Further proof from God, in His Holy Koran/Quran, that He is sending The Light of the World, i.e. His Messiah/Christ again before Judgment Day:-
Sura 43:57-61
43:57. When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
43:58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
43:59. He was no more than a servant ("I came not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me" - John 6:38): We granted Our favour (Christ) to him (Sura 4:171), and We made him the Example to the Children of Israel (John 14:6).
43:60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the Earth.
43:61. And (Christ, the Saviour and Mahdi) SHALL be a Sign (for the coming of) The Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about The (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way (Matt. 7:13-14).
Sura 43:57-61
43:57. When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
43:58. And they say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they set forth to thee, only by way of disputation: yea, they are a contentious people.
43:59. He was no more than a servant ("I came not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me" - John 6:38): We granted Our favour (Christ) to him (Sura 4:171), and We made him the Example to the Children of Israel (John 14:6).
43:60. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the Earth.
43:61. And (Christ, the Saviour and Mahdi) SHALL be a Sign (for the coming of) The Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about The (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is The Straight Way (Matt. 7:13-14).
God says in the Quran
4:157 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Abridged Explanation of the Quran
I cursed them because they proudly, but falsely, said, ‘We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah’.
They did not kill him as they claimed, nor did they crucify him; but they killed and crucified a man whom Allah made to resemble Jesus, so they thought the person who was killed was Jesus.
Those Jews who claimed to have killed him and those Christians who surrendered him over to them are in doubt and confusion regarding the matter.
They have no knowledge, but make guesses that are of no worth against the truth.
Truly, they did not kill Jesus nor crucify him.
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we know the gospel authors were not eyewitnesses to the life or crucifixion of Jesus.
we have previously noted that none of the disciples of the Messiah witnessed the crucifixion; rather it was narrated to them as it was narrated to others. Based on that, the writers of the Gospels were not present at this event at all, and they did not tell of something that they had seen so that we would have to believe them. Rather they narrated reports that were transmitted by people in their own era, which were not necessarily true. Rather we must examine them, because they may be true or they may be false.
If we examine what the Gospels say about the crucifixion and the events surrounding it, we will find that they differ about it from beginning to end.
It is sufficient to refer to what the Gospels say about the arrest and trial of Jesus, the timing of the crucifixion (day and hour), the cry of despair from the cross, the witnesses to the crucifixion, the resurrection from the grave… and so on, all of that and much more. It is sufficient to say that the Gospels differed greatly concerning that, which causes one to lose trust in all of these views, and the researcher does not know which of the Gospels to accept and which to reject.
Your scripture in which you believe says that the disciples (followers of the Messiah) did not see the crucifixion; rather on that day they were fleeing and hiding from their enemies, so how could they be eyewitnesses to something that they did not see?
We will quote from your scripture and the words of your scholars words to prove that:
Mark says:
“Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome.
In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there”
Mark 15:40-41.
Matthew says something similar (Matthew 27:55-56).
Luke says:
“But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things”
[Luke 23:49].
John says:
“Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene”
[John 19:23].
John Fenton says: The disciples fled when Jesus was arrested, and even though Peter had followed him from afar to the courtyard of the high priest, we do not hear anything more about him, after he denied Jesus.
Matthew, Mark and Luke tell us that the witnesses to the crucifixion were women who had followed Jesus from Galilee to Jerusalem; they saw his burial and discovered the tomb empty on the Sunday morning, and they met Jesus after his resurrection.
The scholars commented on what John said about Mary, the mother of the Messiah, being present at the cross by saying: That is not possible at all, that the relatives and friends of Jesus would be allowed to stand near the cross.
Similarly, the Encyclopaedia Britannica says, commenting on the differences in the gospels concerning those who witnessed the crucifixion: We find in the (three) synoptic Gospels that only the women followed Jesus, and that the list which was written very carefully and in precise detail did not include his mother – and that they were watching from afar.
But in John, we find that his mother Mary stood with the two other Marys and the “beloved disciple” beneath the cross, and from that time, the beloved disciple took this story to his close friends.
At the same time, his mother does not appear in Jerusalem – according to the ancient texts – except just before the feast of Pentecost, when she is accompanied by his brothers (Acts 1:14).
So, according to what your scripture says, none of the disciples of the Messiah were present at the crucifixion at all; rather those who were present were some of the women, although the Gospels differ as to their number and identity.
How Can you Prove Jesus was not Crucified, Dr. Zakir Naik
4:157 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Abridged Explanation of the Quran
I cursed them because they proudly, but falsely, said, ‘We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah’.
They did not kill him as they claimed, nor did they crucify him; but they killed and crucified a man whom Allah made to resemble Jesus, so they thought the person who was killed was Jesus.
Those Jews who claimed to have killed him and those Christians who surrendered him over to them are in doubt and confusion regarding the matter.
They have no knowledge, but make guesses that are of no worth against the truth.
Truly, they did not kill Jesus nor crucify him.
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we know the gospel authors were not eyewitnesses to the life or crucifixion of Jesus.
we have previously noted that none of the disciples of the Messiah witnessed the crucifixion; rather it was narrated to them as it was narrated to others. Based on that, the writers of the Gospels were not present at this event at all, and they did not tell of something that they had seen so that we would have to believe them. Rather they narrated reports that were transmitted by people in their own era, which were not necessarily true. Rather we must examine them, because they may be true or they may be false.
If we examine what the Gospels say about the crucifixion and the events surrounding it, we will find that they differ about it from beginning to end.
It is sufficient to refer to what the Gospels say about the arrest and trial of Jesus, the timing of the crucifixion (day and hour), the cry of despair from the cross, the witnesses to the crucifixion, the resurrection from the grave… and so on, all of that and much more. It is sufficient to say that the Gospels differed greatly concerning that, which causes one to lose trust in all of these views, and the researcher does not know which of the Gospels to accept and which to reject.
Your scripture in which you believe says that the disciples (followers of the Messiah) did not see the crucifixion; rather on that day they were fleeing and hiding from their enemies, so how could they be eyewitnesses to something that they did not see?
We will quote from your scripture and the words of your scholars words to prove that:
Mark says:
“Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome.
In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there”
Mark 15:40-41.
Matthew says something similar (Matthew 27:55-56).
Luke says:
“But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things”
[Luke 23:49].
John says:
“Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene”
[John 19:23].
John Fenton says: The disciples fled when Jesus was arrested, and even though Peter had followed him from afar to the courtyard of the high priest, we do not hear anything more about him, after he denied Jesus.
Matthew, Mark and Luke tell us that the witnesses to the crucifixion were women who had followed Jesus from Galilee to Jerusalem; they saw his burial and discovered the tomb empty on the Sunday morning, and they met Jesus after his resurrection.
The scholars commented on what John said about Mary, the mother of the Messiah, being present at the cross by saying: That is not possible at all, that the relatives and friends of Jesus would be allowed to stand near the cross.
Similarly, the Encyclopaedia Britannica says, commenting on the differences in the gospels concerning those who witnessed the crucifixion: We find in the (three) synoptic Gospels that only the women followed Jesus, and that the list which was written very carefully and in precise detail did not include his mother – and that they were watching from afar.
But in John, we find that his mother Mary stood with the two other Marys and the “beloved disciple” beneath the cross, and from that time, the beloved disciple took this story to his close friends.
At the same time, his mother does not appear in Jerusalem – according to the ancient texts – except just before the feast of Pentecost, when she is accompanied by his brothers (Acts 1:14).
So, according to what your scripture says, none of the disciples of the Messiah were present at the crucifixion at all; rather those who were present were some of the women, although the Gospels differ as to their number and identity.
How Can you Prove Jesus was not Crucified, Dr. Zakir Naik
the Jesus to be was the firstborn of creation and all other things were created, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of him. Col 1:15, 16, Rev 3:14, 13:8 etc.
The children of Israel are all sons of God
Exodus (Chapter 4)
, 'Thus says the LORD, “Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Here the children of Israel are all distinguished by:
1- They were called sons of God
2- They were distinguished by the title of firstborn and thus they are according to the Holy Book the first sons of God and no one preceded them
Solomon, peace be upon him, the son of God
1 Chronicles (Chapter 22)
He will build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
Here Solomon, peace be upon him,
1- He was called the son of God
2- His kingdom will be established forever
3- He existed from eternity before God created anything and thus the Christians’ argument that Jesus existed from eternity with the Father and the Holy Spirit alone was invalidated because Solomon, peace be upon him, also existed from eternity
As you can see, the miracle of the creation of Adam without a father and mother is greater than the miracle of the creation of Christ without a father only.
However, Adam did not claim divinity and no one worshiped him
Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Christ also did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone
He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3
What about Melchizedek, about whom it was said: Hebrews 3: 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God,
Hebrews 7:3
. So why don't Christians worship Melchizedek?
the divinity of Christ was adopted in the fourth century, since the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 AD, and since its convening, belief in the divinity of Christ became the official position of the church, contradicting the teachings of Christ, who commanded the worship of the Father alone.
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The children of Israel are all sons of God
Exodus (Chapter 4)
, 'Thus says the LORD, “Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Here the children of Israel are all distinguished by:
1- They were called sons of God
2- They were distinguished by the title of firstborn and thus they are according to the Holy Book the first sons of God and no one preceded them
Solomon, peace be upon him, the son of God
1 Chronicles (Chapter 22)
He will build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
Here Solomon, peace be upon him,
1- He was called the son of God
2- His kingdom will be established forever
3- He existed from eternity before God created anything and thus the Christians’ argument that Jesus existed from eternity with the Father and the Holy Spirit alone was invalidated because Solomon, peace be upon him, also existed from eternity
As you can see, the miracle of the creation of Adam without a father and mother is greater than the miracle of the creation of Christ without a father only.
However, Adam did not claim divinity and no one worshiped him
Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Christ also did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone
He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3
What about Melchizedek, about whom it was said: Hebrews 3: 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God,
Hebrews 7:3
. So why don't Christians worship Melchizedek?
the divinity of Christ was adopted in the fourth century, since the Council of Nicaea in the year 325 AD, and since its convening, belief in the divinity of Christ became the official position of the church, contradicting the teachings of Christ, who commanded the worship of the Father alone.
Melchizedek
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But you clearly do NOT understand what this verse means, because it's IMPOSSIBLE for humans kill Christ (an IMMORTAL Spiritual-Being).
Isn't that why you have DECEITFULLY added [another] in brackets to this absolutely horrible translation?
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.
Only God can kill an immortal spiritual-Being.
Mortal humans, on the other hand, can kill and be killed by one another.
To prove -- beyond ALL doubt -- that anyone who is MISINTERPRETING this one verse in the Koran/Quran, can you provide ANY other verse that corroborates your ASSUMPTION that Jesus (whom Christ incarnated) wasn't crucified?
Sura 39:23. "I AM" has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF (see: Enoch 104:8-11), (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of "I AM"'s praises (Prov. 1:7; 9:10). Such is the Guidance from "I AM": He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as "I AM" leaves to stray, can have none to guide.
It's IMPOSSIBLE for one verse to be considered consistent with another, if there is no second verse.
Anyone who chooses to believe their private interpretation of Sura 4:157 OUT OF CONTEXT, when it clearly is NOT consistent with the rest of Scripture, is going to burn for their continued unbelief, exactly as the Koran/Quran warns us at least 300 times.
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What follows is the actual evidence that "Muslims" ignore, to desperately hold on to their unscriptural substition theory (based on the satanic assumption that the Bible has been corrupted, even though God promises in the Koran/Quran that could NEVER happen (Sura 15:9-10; Sura 32:32):
The miracle birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary is prophesied in the Old Covenant (Isa. 7:14), fulfilled and recorded in the New Covenant (Matt. 1:18-23, Luke 1:27-35), and CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 3:42-47, 19:16-37). We literally changed the way we keep time on this planet because of this miracle. Who then could do more wrong than to ignore such Clear Signs from our Lord?
B.C. = Before Christ
A.D. = Anno Domini = in the year of our Lord
Similarly, the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus is prophesied in the Old Covenant (Ps. 22, Isa. 53:1-11, Dan. 9:25-27, Zech. 11:11-13) and New Covenant (Matt. 12:39-40, 20:17-19, 26:2, Mark 9:31, 10:32-34), fulfilled and recorded in the New Covenant (Matt. 27, Mark 15:17-16:8, John 19:14-21:25), and CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 3:55, 4:157-158, 6:122, 19:33-34).
We also have recorded in the Bible, which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM (not to contradict), a list of eyewitnesses to both the crucifixion and resurrection.
Witnesses to the crucifixion of Jesus:
– Joseph of Arimathaea, Jesus' great-uncle, who claimed the body (Matt. 27:57-60, Mark 15:43-46, Luke 23:50-53, John 19:38)
– Mary Magdelene, and Mary, the mother of Jesus (Matt. 27:55-56, Mark 15:40, 15:47, John 19:25-27)
– The mother of Zebedee's children (Matt. 27:56)
– John, the disciple of Jesus (John 19:25-27, 19:35)
– And all Jesus' acquaintances (Luke 23:49)
Witnesses of the resurrected Jesus:
Mary Magdelene (Matt. 28:9-10, John 20:15-18)
Mary, the mother of Jesus (Matt. 28:9-10)
Simon, the Pharisee and Alphaeus Cleophas (Luke 24:13-32)
The eleven disciples (Luke 24:33-51, John 20:19-30)
Simon Peter, Thomas, Nathanael, James and John (the sons of Zebedee) and two other disciples on another occasion (John 21)
Despite the perfect agreement between the Bible and the Koran on the miracle virgin-birth of Jesus, despite the numerous references within the Bible and Koran concerning the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus – which likewise are in perfect agreement IF properly understood – despite the documented accounts of dozens of eyewitnesses by multiple Apostles, despite over 121 secular, non-Biblical citations for Jesus outside the New Covenant/Testament that confirm the details of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection in Jerusalem, during the same period the events in the New Covenant/Testament are described, despite dozens of COMMANDS in the Koran to read and believe the Bible, despite the Koran itself plainly stating it was sent to CONFIRM the Bible, and despite numerous warnings in the Koran against becoming an UNBELIEVER, by picking and choosing which Apostles to believe (Sura 4:150-152), what do “Muslims” do?
They ignore God's Messengers and pretend the crucifixion and resurrection never happened.
The miracle birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary is prophesied in the Old Covenant (Isa. 7:14), fulfilled and recorded in the New Covenant (Matt. 1:18-23, Luke 1:27-35), and CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 3:42-47, 19:16-37). We literally changed the way we keep time on this planet because of this miracle. Who then could do more wrong than to ignore such Clear Signs from our Lord?
B.C. = Before Christ
A.D. = Anno Domini = in the year of our Lord
Similarly, the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus is prophesied in the Old Covenant (Ps. 22, Isa. 53:1-11, Dan. 9:25-27, Zech. 11:11-13) and New Covenant (Matt. 12:39-40, 20:17-19, 26:2, Mark 9:31, 10:32-34), fulfilled and recorded in the New Covenant (Matt. 27, Mark 15:17-16:8, John 19:14-21:25), and CONFIRMED in the Koran (Sura 3:55, 4:157-158, 6:122, 19:33-34).
We also have recorded in the Bible, which the Koran was sent to CONFIRM (not to contradict), a list of eyewitnesses to both the crucifixion and resurrection.
Witnesses to the crucifixion of Jesus:
– Joseph of Arimathaea, Jesus' great-uncle, who claimed the body (Matt. 27:57-60, Mark 15:43-46, Luke 23:50-53, John 19:38)
– Mary Magdelene, and Mary, the mother of Jesus (Matt. 27:55-56, Mark 15:40, 15:47, John 19:25-27)
– The mother of Zebedee's children (Matt. 27:56)
– John, the disciple of Jesus (John 19:25-27, 19:35)
– And all Jesus' acquaintances (Luke 23:49)
Witnesses of the resurrected Jesus:
Mary Magdelene (Matt. 28:9-10, John 20:15-18)
Mary, the mother of Jesus (Matt. 28:9-10)
Simon, the Pharisee and Alphaeus Cleophas (Luke 24:13-32)
The eleven disciples (Luke 24:33-51, John 20:19-30)
Simon Peter, Thomas, Nathanael, James and John (the sons of Zebedee) and two other disciples on another occasion (John 21)
Despite the perfect agreement between the Bible and the Koran on the miracle virgin-birth of Jesus, despite the numerous references within the Bible and Koran concerning the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus – which likewise are in perfect agreement IF properly understood – despite the documented accounts of dozens of eyewitnesses by multiple Apostles, despite over 121 secular, non-Biblical citations for Jesus outside the New Covenant/Testament that confirm the details of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection in Jerusalem, during the same period the events in the New Covenant/Testament are described, despite dozens of COMMANDS in the Koran to read and believe the Bible, despite the Koran itself plainly stating it was sent to CONFIRM the Bible, and despite numerous warnings in the Koran against becoming an UNBELIEVER, by picking and choosing which Apostles to believe (Sura 4:150-152), what do “Muslims” do?
They ignore God's Messengers and pretend the crucifixion and resurrection never happened.
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What follows is the CORRECT translation from the original text (which wasn't in Arabic, but instead was in Syro-Aramaic, one of the languages Jesus spoke), completely cross-referenced to the Bible, which the Quran was sent to CONFIRM (NOT to contradict):
Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. NAY, GOD RAISED HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
How would God raise someone from the dead if they weren't dead? God is not THE God of the "dead", but of the Living (Luke 20:38).
Anyone who wishes to promote the totally unscriptural doctrine of that someone was substituted for Jesus, the Son of Mary, when Jesus was crucified, is calling God a liar, and very obviously doesn't believe the Quran.
All of you NEED to stop listening to the spiritually-blind guides of your particular SECT, all of which are CONDEMNED in the Quran, which tells us not to have anything to do with ANY sects or with any of their "imams".
Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. NAY, GOD RAISED HIM UP UNTO HIMSELF and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Surah 43:61);-
How would God raise someone from the dead if they weren't dead? God is not THE God of the "dead", but of the Living (Luke 20:38).
Anyone who wishes to promote the totally unscriptural doctrine of that someone was substituted for Jesus, the Son of Mary, when Jesus was crucified, is calling God a liar, and very obviously doesn't believe the Quran.
All of you NEED to stop listening to the spiritually-blind guides of your particular SECT, all of which are CONDEMNED in the Quran, which tells us not to have anything to do with ANY sects or with any of their "imams".
4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.
Instead, Allah saved Jesus from their plot and raised him in body and spirit to Himself.
Allah is Mighty in His dominion and nothing can overpower Him.
He is Wise in His planning, decisions and laws.
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Jews don't believe God had to become a man and die on the cross to "atone" for people's sins. That's a Christian invention.
So the 4 gospel accounts were the works of men "emphasizing what was important to them", and not the divinely inspired Word of God.
Furthermore, the contradictions and discrepancies between the 4 gospel accounts is evidence that they are NOT first hand eyewitness accounts from people who saw/heard Jesus directly.
Many of the ancient Christians denied the crucifixion of Christ, and Christian historians mentioned the names of many Christian groups that denied the crucifixion.
These sects are: the Basilidians, the Corinthians, the Carpocraitons, the Sathenrians, the Marcionians, the Pardesians, the Cerinthians, the Parascalians, the Paulicians, the Minnesians, the Titanians, the Docetians, the Marcians, the Philanthians, and the Hermeticians.
Some of these sects date back to the first century AD
Some of these sects do not worship Christ and deny his crucifixion
Christ is the prophet of God
As for your belief that Christ was crucified, this is a false belief, and your Book has proven its falsehood. In the Gospel of Luke 4: 29-30,
29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
John 8: 59 said: ( 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Muslims implement the teachings of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, more than Christians themselves
Jesus was not crucified according to 1st Century Christians
Jesus was not crucified: the evidence with Dr. Ali Ataie
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Isaiah 53
The legend of Isaiah 53 and the great forgery
First: The text does not mention the name of Christ, peace be upon him, from near or far!
The speech, then, will be through the descriptions mentioned in this text, so we have to examine these descriptions and compare them with the true biography of Christ to know whether Isaiah 53 is talking about him or not!!
Second: If we look at the descriptions that came in this text, we will find that they are not descriptions of Christ, peace be upon him, according to what came in the New Testament!
Isaiah 53 Explained-Dr.Zakir Naik
Instead, Allah saved Jesus from their plot and raised him in body and spirit to Himself.
Allah is Mighty in His dominion and nothing can overpower Him.
He is Wise in His planning, decisions and laws.
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Jews don't believe God had to become a man and die on the cross to "atone" for people's sins. That's a Christian invention.
So the 4 gospel accounts were the works of men "emphasizing what was important to them", and not the divinely inspired Word of God.
Furthermore, the contradictions and discrepancies between the 4 gospel accounts is evidence that they are NOT first hand eyewitness accounts from people who saw/heard Jesus directly.
Many of the ancient Christians denied the crucifixion of Christ, and Christian historians mentioned the names of many Christian groups that denied the crucifixion.
These sects are: the Basilidians, the Corinthians, the Carpocraitons, the Sathenrians, the Marcionians, the Pardesians, the Cerinthians, the Parascalians, the Paulicians, the Minnesians, the Titanians, the Docetians, the Marcians, the Philanthians, and the Hermeticians.
Some of these sects date back to the first century AD
Some of these sects do not worship Christ and deny his crucifixion
Christ is the prophet of God
As for your belief that Christ was crucified, this is a false belief, and your Book has proven its falsehood. In the Gospel of Luke 4: 29-30,
29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
John 8: 59 said: ( 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Muslims implement the teachings of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, more than Christians themselves
Jesus was not crucified according to 1st Century Christians
Jesus was not crucified: the evidence with Dr. Ali Ataie
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Isaiah 53
The legend of Isaiah 53 and the great forgery
First: The text does not mention the name of Christ, peace be upon him, from near or far!
The speech, then, will be through the descriptions mentioned in this text, so we have to examine these descriptions and compare them with the true biography of Christ to know whether Isaiah 53 is talking about him or not!!
Second: If we look at the descriptions that came in this text, we will find that they are not descriptions of Christ, peace be upon him, according to what came in the New Testament!
Isaiah 53 Explained-Dr.Zakir Naik
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Thank you for your kind message about Muslims. My wife and I have looked at many different religions over the years. Both of us grew up Catholic and found it very lacking.
We started our search for God and proper worship to include so-called Protestant religions, Self Realization Fellowship, study of some eastern religions, even went to classes in Hebrew & studied Judaism (which we found to be lacking in belief of anything of an afterlife.
By good fortune our youngest daughter married an Egyptian and for the first time, at the age of 70 we were introduced to Islam, the only true religion we had ever known. Simple and very straightforward, leading us on a straight path
زوجان مؤدبان يسألان ش.عثمان بن فاروق عن الإسلام
نصارى يدعون ان إله المسلمين قام بالكذب في القرآن فأعطاهم الشيخ عثمان درساً لن ينسوه
الشيخ عثمان يحرج رجل يدعي انه يعلم الكثير عن الاسلام
Thank you for your kind message about Muslims. My wife and I have looked at many different religions over the years. Both of us grew up Catholic and found it very lacking.
We started our search for God and proper worship to include so-called Protestant religions, Self Realization Fellowship, study of some eastern religions, even went to classes in Hebrew & studied Judaism (which we found to be lacking in belief of anything of an afterlife.
By good fortune our youngest daughter married an Egyptian and for the first time, at the age of 70 we were introduced to Islam, the only true religion we had ever known. Simple and very straightforward, leading us on a straight path
زوجان مؤدبان يسألان ش.عثمان بن فاروق عن الإسلام
نصارى يدعون ان إله المسلمين قام بالكذب في القرآن فأعطاهم الشيخ عثمان درساً لن ينسوه
الشيخ عثمان يحرج رجل يدعي انه يعلم الكثير عن الاسلام
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Except it doesn't say this. And believing this total nonsense makes a mockery of the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran, by calling both God and His Christ liars.
It says that God RAISED him. There would be no reason to raise anyone from the dead unless they were dead.
Acts 4:10-12
4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarite, whom ye crucified, whom GOD RAISED FROM THE DEAD (Sura 4:158), [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
4:11 This is the Stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the Head of the Corner.
4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The TITLE "Messiah" (Hebrew) and Christos (Greek) or Christ (English) all mean the same thing: The ONE Whom God anointed.
God anointed Christ to be our King (Rev. 19:11-16), our Judge (John 5:22) and His Messenger (Exod. 23:20-23; John 14:6; Sura 3:55; Sura 4:157).
Shame on anyone who makes up lies about The Word/Messenger of God, regardless of their excuse.
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And here we have Jesus himself -- in the Quran -- telling us unequivocally that he IS going to die and be raised by God, NOT be whisked away at the last minute, allegedly substituting someone else to do his job as "the Lamb of God".
Excerpts from Sura 19:16-37, about Mary, the virgin birth, Jesus and the crucifixion and resurrection:
19:19. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of an HOLY SON (Rev. 15:4, Sura 59:23, Sura 62:1)."
19:27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
19:33. So Peace is on me the day I was born, THE DAY THAT I DIE, AND THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE RAISED UP TO LIFE (again)!"
19:34. SUCH (WAS) JESUS THE SON OF MARY: (IT IS) A STATEMENT OF TRUTH, about which they (vainly) dispute.
19:35. It is not befitting to (the Majesty of) "I AM" that He should beget a (human) son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
19:36. Verily "I AM" is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is The Way that is straight (Matt. 7:13-14; John 14:6; Sura 3:55).
19:37. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
19:38. How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! But the unjust today are clearly in error!
Excerpts from Sura 19:16-37, about Mary, the virgin birth, Jesus and the crucifixion and resurrection:
19:19. He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of an HOLY SON (Rev. 15:4, Sura 59:23, Sura 62:1)."
19:27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
19:33. So Peace is on me the day I was born, THE DAY THAT I DIE, AND THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE RAISED UP TO LIFE (again)!"
19:34. SUCH (WAS) JESUS THE SON OF MARY: (IT IS) A STATEMENT OF TRUTH, about which they (vainly) dispute.
19:35. It is not befitting to (the Majesty of) "I AM" that He should beget a (human) son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
19:36. Verily "I AM" is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is The Way that is straight (Matt. 7:13-14; John 14:6; Sura 3:55).
19:37. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
19:38. How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! But the unjust today are clearly in error!
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Well who was it up on the cross, the Last of the Mohicans?
5:117 I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.
The word took me in the verse means taking, meaning that God took his servant Jesus, peace be upon him,
God raised Jesus alive to heaven with his soul and body
but
The death, is that the soul only is taken,
2-
19:33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
As for the verse, it does not indicate his death
Rather, the verse mentioned three days
The day of his birth
On the day of his death, after he will come to Earth in the future, he will live for a while and die
, And The day he shall be raised on the Day of Judgment.
3-
that the one who was crucified was Christ”. This comment is far removed from the truth, and we do not know of anyone who made such a claim before. What is certain is that not everyone in the world believes in the crucifixion of the Messiah; in fact most of the world does not believe in that. The latest statistics (2014 CE) state that the number of Christians in the entire world, of all sects and denominations, is approximately 30% of the world’s population. This means that approximately 70% reject what the Christians say, or at the very least they do not believe in it.
This was also the case before Islam came. Not everyone in the world at that time – in fact this may be said of most of the people in the world – believed in the crucifixion. There were pagan Arabs, who knew nothing about this matter and never heard of it at all. There were also the Magians (Zoroastrians), who worshipped fire, and who at that time had a great empire which was hostile and opposed to the Christians on religious and political grounds. There were also people who did not believe in any religion … and many other peoples.
All of these people did not believe what the Christians believed, or at the very least you cannot say that they believed in that or include them among those who believed in it, if you are an honest researcher who respects himself and his intellect.
Furthermore, there were sects among the Christians themselves who believed that the Messiah was not crucified, and that the one who was crucified was a look-alike, as is proven in the Christian sources themselves.
St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori said:
One of the innovations of the first century was that of Florian, according to which Christ was a non-holy force and was able to take whatever shape or form he wanted. Hence when the Jews wanted to crucify him, he exchanged forms with Simon the Cyrene, thus Simon was crucified whilst Jesus was mocking the Jews.
John Fenton, a commentator on the Gospel of Matthew, said:
One of the second-century Gnostic sects said that Simon the Cyrene was crucified instead of Jesus.
Seuss said in his book, ‘Aqeedat al-Muslimeen fi Masaa’il an-Nasraaniyyah [What the Muslims believe about some Christian issues]: The Basilidian sect denied the crucifixion. They were one of the first-century sects.
So how can it be said, after this, that everyone in the world was certain that the Messiah was crucified?
None of the followers of the Messiah were present at the crucifixion, apart from a few women, and some reports in the Gospels even doubt that they were there. This doubt comes from Christian scholars themselves.
If no one was present at the crucifixion except a small number of women, who stood some distance away and watched from afar, this did not give them the opportunity to verify or be certain who the person was who was being crucified. Moreover, some of his enemies crucified the look-alike, thinking it was the Messiah. Therefore it is not valid to say, after that, that the crucifixion of the Messiah was narrated via “recurring testimony”.
Imam Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
We looked at those who reported the crucifixion of the Messiah (peace be upon him), and we found a large number who were no doubt truthful in their transmission of it, generation after generation, all the way back to those who claimed to have witnessed his crucifixion. Then when it comes to that group, it is a different story, as they are no more than guards who were there under orders, and you could expect them to lie and accept bribes in return for saying something false.
The Christians affirm that they were not able to capture him by day for fear of the masses, and that they could only capture him at night when the people had dispersed following the Passover; and that he was only on the cross for six hours of the day, after which he was taken down; and that he was only crucified in a place outside the city, in a potter’s field that was used only for obtaining clay, and was not a place that was known for the carrying out of crucifixions and was not allocated for that purpose. Moreover, the guards were bribed to say that his companions stole his body, so they did that. Furthermore, Mary Magdalene – who was a woman of the common people – did not come close to the site of his crucifixion; rather she was standing and watching from afar. All of this is to be found in the text of the Gospel that they have.
Therefore it cannot be true that the story of the crucifixion was transmitted via a process of tawaatur. Rather the apparent meaning of the story, as it was narrated, indicates that there was some discretion and concealment, and prior agreement on what story was to be told. On that night, the disciples – according to the Gospel text – were in a state of fear and were absent from the scene, having fled for their lives and hidden themselves, even though Simon Peter had entered the house of the priest Caiaphas by day, where the priest said to him: You are one of his followers, but Peter denied it and fled from the house.
Therefore you cannot find anyone who transmitted the report of his crucifixion that you can be sure is telling the truth
رد فعل فتيات مسيحية تتعجب من ما اكتشفته في الإنجيل! الشيخ عثمان فاروق
The word took me in the verse means taking, meaning that God took his servant Jesus, peace be upon him,
God raised Jesus alive to heaven with his soul and body
but
The death, is that the soul only is taken,
2-
19:33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
As for the verse, it does not indicate his death
Rather, the verse mentioned three days
The day of his birth
On the day of his death, after he will come to Earth in the future, he will live for a while and die
, And The day he shall be raised on the Day of Judgment.
3-
that the one who was crucified was Christ”. This comment is far removed from the truth, and we do not know of anyone who made such a claim before. What is certain is that not everyone in the world believes in the crucifixion of the Messiah; in fact most of the world does not believe in that. The latest statistics (2014 CE) state that the number of Christians in the entire world, of all sects and denominations, is approximately 30% of the world’s population. This means that approximately 70% reject what the Christians say, or at the very least they do not believe in it.
This was also the case before Islam came. Not everyone in the world at that time – in fact this may be said of most of the people in the world – believed in the crucifixion. There were pagan Arabs, who knew nothing about this matter and never heard of it at all. There were also the Magians (Zoroastrians), who worshipped fire, and who at that time had a great empire which was hostile and opposed to the Christians on religious and political grounds. There were also people who did not believe in any religion … and many other peoples.
All of these people did not believe what the Christians believed, or at the very least you cannot say that they believed in that or include them among those who believed in it, if you are an honest researcher who respects himself and his intellect.
Furthermore, there were sects among the Christians themselves who believed that the Messiah was not crucified, and that the one who was crucified was a look-alike, as is proven in the Christian sources themselves.
St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori said:
One of the innovations of the first century was that of Florian, according to which Christ was a non-holy force and was able to take whatever shape or form he wanted. Hence when the Jews wanted to crucify him, he exchanged forms with Simon the Cyrene, thus Simon was crucified whilst Jesus was mocking the Jews.
John Fenton, a commentator on the Gospel of Matthew, said:
One of the second-century Gnostic sects said that Simon the Cyrene was crucified instead of Jesus.
Seuss said in his book, ‘Aqeedat al-Muslimeen fi Masaa’il an-Nasraaniyyah [What the Muslims believe about some Christian issues]: The Basilidian sect denied the crucifixion. They were one of the first-century sects.
So how can it be said, after this, that everyone in the world was certain that the Messiah was crucified?
None of the followers of the Messiah were present at the crucifixion, apart from a few women, and some reports in the Gospels even doubt that they were there. This doubt comes from Christian scholars themselves.
If no one was present at the crucifixion except a small number of women, who stood some distance away and watched from afar, this did not give them the opportunity to verify or be certain who the person was who was being crucified. Moreover, some of his enemies crucified the look-alike, thinking it was the Messiah. Therefore it is not valid to say, after that, that the crucifixion of the Messiah was narrated via “recurring testimony”.
Imam Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
We looked at those who reported the crucifixion of the Messiah (peace be upon him), and we found a large number who were no doubt truthful in their transmission of it, generation after generation, all the way back to those who claimed to have witnessed his crucifixion. Then when it comes to that group, it is a different story, as they are no more than guards who were there under orders, and you could expect them to lie and accept bribes in return for saying something false.
The Christians affirm that they were not able to capture him by day for fear of the masses, and that they could only capture him at night when the people had dispersed following the Passover; and that he was only on the cross for six hours of the day, after which he was taken down; and that he was only crucified in a place outside the city, in a potter’s field that was used only for obtaining clay, and was not a place that was known for the carrying out of crucifixions and was not allocated for that purpose. Moreover, the guards were bribed to say that his companions stole his body, so they did that. Furthermore, Mary Magdalene – who was a woman of the common people – did not come close to the site of his crucifixion; rather she was standing and watching from afar. All of this is to be found in the text of the Gospel that they have.
Therefore it cannot be true that the story of the crucifixion was transmitted via a process of tawaatur. Rather the apparent meaning of the story, as it was narrated, indicates that there was some discretion and concealment, and prior agreement on what story was to be told. On that night, the disciples – according to the Gospel text – were in a state of fear and were absent from the scene, having fled for their lives and hidden themselves, even though Simon Peter had entered the house of the priest Caiaphas by day, where the priest said to him: You are one of his followers, but Peter denied it and fled from the house.
Therefore you cannot find anyone who transmitted the report of his crucifixion that you can be sure is telling the truth
رد فعل فتيات مسيحية تتعجب من ما اكتشفته في الإنجيل! الشيخ عثمان فاروق