Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence

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I simply sought to clarify what the poster who mentioned revealing clothing meant and if she could tell me what is revealing. I mean, I know some of you don’t have English as your first language but it really is a simple, non-toxic question.
The type of clothing which is acceptable in my culture is probably very different to others. If I don’t know what the poster considers revealing, I can’t comment.
Do they mean shorter skirts or shorts? Do they mean sheer tops? Do they mean cropped tops? what groups are you referring to?
I mean Loona have underage members but I can’t think of examples of them wearing revealing clothing. NCT dream or even Stray Kids have underage members but they dint wear revealing clothing?
You complain I don’t listen but when I ask for clarification you tell me to go away? If you feel that sexualising underage members is part of their dark agenda, then tell me which companies or groups you want? Is that such a bad question to ask? I’m not derailing anything. I’m trying to understand. I never mentioned clothing in the first place - someone else did.
I am so confused by your reactions. If you want me to understand, then explain?
Your last reply was just an excuse for me to talk to you about certain things. You claim you've read the whole thread, but I'm having a hard time understanding that because all of these have been mentioned before. As I said, you need to delve more into how society works, it's shows me that you have never learned how to think by yourself and expect others to do the thinking for you. Also to briefly answer you about the clothes, it's no secret that many pedophiles exist in Asia, who get off by watching innocent little girls in child's clothing. Search for asian porn and anime and you will see it by yourself. Many of these idols are barely legal and wear tight amd and revealing clothes and if you haven't seen it, especially the fanboys of girl groups are much older men in their mid 30's-40's.Also many scandals broke out bc these men film the girl's underwear etc. If you don't see the problem in that as a mother, I'm sorry but this is more than a issue. As I have mentioned before it's impossible for us to reply to every single question of yours, don't be lazy, do a little researching on your own. You really need to acquire complex thinking in order to gain the ability to combine facts. Read more books, newspapers, solve crossroads, they will really help you. If you don't mind me asking why are you on this thread really? I suspect that given your condition you need someone to talk to and it's understandable but why don't you spend your time doing something that you deem more constructive instead?
 
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What age are you? Do you think the way you are speaking to me is a respectful way to speak to anyone, never mind someone who may be older than you? What do you know about me to judge whether or not I’m capable of complex thinking? I have a brain injury which affects how I process and express myself. Even with that, I’m probably more intelligent than any of you can ever hope to be.
The general lack of complex thinking is obvious all over this thread. You don’t understand other cultures and you aren’t interested in learning about them. You have one agenda about illuminati influences in Kpop and none of you have an original thought in your head.
I am a middle-aged woman, these theories you talk about aren’t unique or new. They’ve been around in for years and years in one form or another. We’ve all heard it before only when I was younger it wasn’t Kpop, it was other types of music.
You produce the same old arguments that have been around for generations and there is no proof to back any of them up. You don’teven understand what evidence is. You don’t know how to formulate an argument. You see what you want to see and you twist it to make your own agenda. You don’t care about the people behind the agendas you push. You don’t care about Jonghyun, his family, his friends or his fans. You don’t care about the feelings of those you say are going to be sacrificed next - as long as you get to write your childish nonsense, that’s all that matters to you. It’s disgraceful!
I suggest you learn a little about complex thought yourself. Research something and find all the facts - negative and positive. Research what people who know more about it than you do have to say - not just the stuff that supports your side, but the stuff that doesn’t as well. Don’t pluck a fact such as the UN says there are 112 genders and present it as fact when it’s not true - that makes you look silly. A lot of the facts presented here are not fact. For instance, BTS were not reported to be the first at Jonghyun’s funeral - many sources say they were AMONG the first! Do you see the difference there? If you’re going to talk about something like p*doohilia, know what it is - by the way it is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Do you know what that means - children who have not reached puberty...so like younger than 10 or 11? Understand that if you are going to discuss something it’s perfectly okay to say well, before I get into that with you, what in your opinion is revealing clothing? If you come from very different cultures that meanings can be quite different.
When you have learnt to think in a complex way, then talk to me about it. When you have actual, substantiated facts to put together, talk to me about it. At the moment you are all seeing what you want to see. You are sexualising non-sexual actions.You are saying that certain gestures are satanic when you simply dont understand the context. People accused Kai of sacrificing his father and Taemin of sacrificing his grandparents! you want me to go away so you can all speculate about who is going to be sacrificed next? Who does that? No one I knows does that - or would even want to!
You have treated me horribly showing how closed minded and naive you all are. Yes, there’s a lot of badness in this world and you are contributing it by thinking it’s okay to marginalise people such as the lgbt community. If a girl wears a short skirt and a man sexualises her, then the problem is with him not her. A girl or woman should have the right to dress how she wants and not be sexualised over it. A online article complained that a young teenage idol was dressed in clothes that were too revealing and she was simply wearing shorts and a top with no sleeves. That’s not sexual. It’s perfectly normal clothing that any teenager would wear. It’s not the clothes or the girl wearing it that’s the problem, it’s the person sexualising her.
You all have a lot of growing up to do. I know everyone comes from cultures where different things are acceptable but think about the people you are hating and whether they are really the people who deserve the hate.
I have no desire to talk further with People like you. You need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
Right back at you (ノ・_-)☆
 

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What age are you? Do you think the way you are speaking to me is a respectful way to speak to anyone, never mind someone who may be older than you? What do you know about me to judge whether or not I’m capable of complex thinking? I have a brain injury which affects how I process and express myself. Even with that, I’m probably more intelligent than any of you can ever hope to be.
The general lack of complex thinking is obvious all over this thread. You don’t understand other cultures and you aren’t interested in learning about them. You have one agenda about illuminati influences in Kpop and none of you have an original thought in your head.
I am a middle-aged woman, these theories you talk about aren’t unique or new. They’ve been around in for years and years in one form or another. We’ve all heard it before only when I was younger it wasn’t Kpop, it was other types of music.
You produce the same old arguments that have been around for generations and there is no proof to back any of them up. You don’teven understand what evidence is. You don’t know how to formulate an argument. You see what you want to see and you twist it to make your own agenda. You don’t care about the people behind the agendas you push. You don’t care about Jonghyun, his family, his friends or his fans. You don’t care about the feelings of those you say are going to be sacrificed next - as long as you get to write your childish nonsense, that’s all that matters to you. It’s disgraceful!
I suggest you learn a little about complex thought yourself. Research something and find all the facts - negative and positive. Research what people who know more about it than you do have to say - not just the stuff that supports your side, but the stuff that doesn’t as well. Don’t pluck a fact such as the UN says there are 112 genders and present it as fact when it’s not true - that makes you look silly. A lot of the facts presented here are not fact. For instance, BTS were not reported to be the first at Jonghyun’s funeral - many sources say they were AMONG the first! Do you see the difference there? If you’re going to talk about something like p*doohilia, know what it is - by the way it is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Do you know what that means - children who have not reached puberty...so like younger than 10 or 11? Understand that if you are going to discuss something it’s perfectly okay to say well, before I get into that with you, what in your opinion is revealing clothing? If you come from very different cultures that meanings can be quite different.
When you have learnt to think in a complex way, then talk to me about it. When you have actual, substantiated facts to put together, talk to me about it. At the moment you are all seeing what you want to see. You are sexualising non-sexual actions.You are saying that certain gestures are satanic when you simply dont understand the context. People accused Kai of sacrificing his father and Taemin of sacrificing his grandparents! you want me to go away so you can all speculate about who is going to be sacrificed next? Who does that? No one I knows does that - or would even want to!
You have treated me horribly showing how closed minded and naive you all are. Yes, there’s a lot of badness in this world and you are contributing it by thinking it’s okay to marginalise people such as the lgbt community. If a girl wears a short skirt and a man sexualises her, then the problem is with him not her. A girl or woman should have the right to dress how she wants and not be sexualised over it. A online article complained that a young teenage idol was dressed in clothes that were too revealing and she was simply wearing shorts and a top with no sleeves. That’s not sexual. It’s perfectly normal clothing that any teenager would wear. It’s not the clothes or the girl wearing it that’s the problem, it’s the person sexualising her.
You all have a lot of growing up to do. I know everyone comes from cultures where different things are acceptable but think about the people you are hating and whether they are really the people who deserve the hate.
I have no desire to talk further with People like you. You need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
I am old enough to study at University and to respectfully engage with someone who by her saying is a middle aged woman yet acting like a spoiled little child, blatantly disrepecting me and throwing accusations out of nowhere. First of all, no offence but your brain injury should be not a justification for you to go off on us like that, this mentality is extremely toxic. I was only but respectful towards your situation as everyone else here was, so I demand the same respect. You are confirming my stance on your lacking of critical thinking (heck, even thinking at this point) because again, I NEVER talked about Jonghyun or the 138365 genders thing. If you want to talk down on someone, at least make your points valid. Second, ok I don't care if it's called p***philia or something else, because the point still remains. Having middle aged men filming young girls'underwears is STILL a crime and should be persecuted. If you refuse to see the problem here, I seriously pity your daughter. Also, for one last time, why are you REALLY here? You are nothing but rude, and no, your attitude shouldn't be excused because of your age,if anything, you are ridiculing yourself because no adult should be behaving like that. You give me the impression that you got nothing to do in your time/life so you are trying to create disrupt. So sad. Channel your energy into dealing with your life and children and leave us alone. I am done talking to you and I suggest everyone to ignore you from now on because you are ungrateful for our time and highly disrespectful.One more thing, being intelligent requires manners too and you lack both. This was my last message to you, you can keep talking to yourself if you want to, trust me, I won't even read it. Guys, please, lets continue the real purpose of this thread without further interruptions.
 
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Guys I'm here after a few weeks and what's going on the thread?
It's lost it's purpose and pages upon pages are people giving attention to a troll
Seriously this thread has lost its meaning and the more attention you give to trolls the more it gets distorted and loses its purpose.
Too many pages with no actual info about what's been happening lately to Kpop just people trying to explain to a Troll what's goin on.
If this continues I'm gonna leave this thread cause I don't like getting notifications and seeing that it's just trolling
 

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Guys, I have just seen on the allkpop forum that the season where Sm artists have to renew their contract, is approaching. Ex0 is rumored to deal with major problems due to the company right now and they even talked about it openly on some variety show. They also talked about how they wanted to stay together no matter what, whether they stay in the company or not. Do you believe that they will renew their contract? Sm is notorious for not caring about their senior groups. I think that with all of the things that have been happening (bands dispand, members leave) either kpop is slowly starting to wither or something else might going on. (Sorry if it has been discussed here before, I had no time to read through the last several pages as I was busy with exams :/)
 
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Anyways, guys, I have just seen on the allkpop forum that the season where Sm artists have to renew their contract, is approaching. Ex0 is rumored to deal with major problems due to the company right now and they even talked about it openly on some variety show. They also talked about how they wanted to stay together no matter what, whether they stay in the company or not. Do you believe that they will renew their contract? Sm is notorious for not caring about their senior groups. I think that with all of the things that have been happening (bands dispand, members leave) either kpop is slowly starting to wither or something else might going on. (Sorry if it has been discussed here before, I had no time to read through the last several pages as I was busy with exams :/)
Well usually what happens with sm groups is that a few renew their contract(Kai,baekhyun?propably)
Others might leave and pursue acting or join other companies.I see lay leaving sm and staying full time in China since it's long time he participated in exo activities
 

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Guys I'm here after a few weeks and what's going on the thread?
It's lost it's purpose and pages upon pages are people giving attention to a troll
Seriously this thread has lost its meaning and the more attention you give to trolls the more it gets distorted and loses its purpose.
Too many pages with no actual info about what's been happening lately to Kpop just people trying to explain to a Troll what's goin on.
If this continues I'm gonna leave this thread cause I don't like getting notifications and seeing that it's just trolling
Yes yes, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately this one is a lost cause, that's why we need not to feed into their delirium anymore. :/
 
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Well usually what happens with sm groups is that a few renew their contract(Kai,baekhyun?propably)
Others might leave and pursue acting or join other companies.I see lay leaving sm and staying full time in China since it's long time he participated in exo activities
Thank you for your input! Yes, I also believe that Lay will be officially out of the equation since Sm seems to have given up on him ages ago. I think he doesn't care either bc he has been doing well in China. But what I also don't get is why Sm treats them like that, Ex0 is the nation's favorite group and that makes them perfect agenda pushers , also it will be a tremendous loss economically :/
 

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Thank you for your input! Yes, I also believe that Lay will be officially out of the equation since Sm seems to have given up on him ages ago. I think he doesn't care either bc he has been doing well in China. But what I also don't get is why Sm treats them like that, Ex0 is the nation's favorite group and that makes them perfect agenda pushers , also it will be a tremendous loss economically :/
That is why I think they aren't going to let go of them that easily
 

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That is why I think they aren't going to let go of them that easily
Unfortunately, that's what came to my mind too :3 Do you believe that there is a way they can do that legally or they will have to turn to other means such as blackmailing etc? I always wondered about it, bc so many groups speak out about the true nature of their companies yet they keep renewing their contracts with them. I know they are greedy for fame and all but why not simply seek out a smaller and different company? Especially if they are already big names, fans will still be eager to follow them.
 

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Unfortunately, that's what came to my mind too :3 Do you believe that there is a way they can do that legally or they will have to turn to other means such as blackmailing etc? I always wondered about it, bc so many groups speak out about the true nature of their companies yet they keep renewing their contracts with them. I know they are greedy for fame and all but why not simply seek out a smaller and different company? Especially if they are already big names, fans will still be eager to follow them.
I think blackmail is more probable, cause legally the contract has ended.
Well because small companies have less resources and connections, plus yeah they wouldn't get paid the same, maybe they'll have to work even harder, that and who knows if they would take all the members
Plus I don't know if I believe they will stay together
 
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I think blackmail is more probable, cause legally the contract has ended.
Well because small companies have less resources and connections, plus yeah they wouldn't get paid the same, maybe they'll have to work even harder, that and who knows if they would take all the members
Ah I see, thank you so much for breaking it down for me. In the Bt€ thread we have already discussed about the importance of their comeback, I think there has been also another energy shift in the kpop world so I have a feeling that things will likely get to be darker for the current groups in the future, I hope that I'm wrong. :3
 
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Ah I see, thank you so much for breaking it down for me. In the Bt€ thread we have already discussed about the importance of their comeback, I think there has been also another energy shift in the kpop world so I have a feeling that things will likely get to be darker for the current groups in the future, I hope that I'm wrong. :3
Also idk if I believe they would stick together after the end of the contract
I hope so to sincerely *crossed fingers*
 
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Thank you for your input! Yes, I also believe that Lay will be officially out of the equation since Sm seems to have given up on him ages ago. I think he doesn't care either bc he has been doing well in China. But what I also don't get is why Sm treats them like that, Ex0 is the nation's favorite group and that makes them perfect agenda pushers , also it will be a tremendous loss economically :/
I couldn't give a Sh*** about Lay to be honest, he and the other Chinese members, they all support Chinese government that are killing people there, I hope he leave EXO, and let him live with the Chinese communist there(Don't wanna see him ever in Kpop)

edit: link I talked about his membership in the Chinese communist party
 
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Unfortunately, that's what came to my mind too :3 Do you believe that there is a way they can do that legally or they will have to turn to other means such as blackmailing etc? I always wondered about it, bc so many groups speak out about the true nature of their companies yet they keep renewing their contracts with them. I know they are greedy for fame and all but why not simply seek out a smaller and different company? Especially if they are already big names, fans will still be eager to follow them.
I believe EXO leaving as solo or in smaller company is not a good sign, they would become irrelevant if you know that, like Sulli, and once that happen, it mean they would sacrifice some of them(I am badly don't want that to happen and I am very worried)
 
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I do believe that abuse takes place is some companies. I know you’re not going to believe me but I do think JYP is one of the better companies. In countries like mine there has been concern about the Kpop industry and how it treats their groups and there has been widespread investigation into the companies. JYP and S.M. for certain have given access to a number of independent investigative journalists as part as their investigation of the industry. Western Society is very, very conscious of making sure that working conditions in countries like Korea are ethical before they work with them. Capital records in the UK and US wouldn’t work with S.M. if standards were poor. Our human rights laws in the West wouldn’t permit it. Capital Records has a long, distinguished history that they wouldn’t tarnish.
I went to the site you showed me and I dint like it. However, I see fans all over twitter constantly ask people not to ship idols or speculate about their sexuality. In the West it is not okay to assume someone’s gender or sexuality. Young western fans on the whole, are very much against it and that’s in evidence all over Twitter etc. In the West it is understood that skinship between male or female idols means nothing mire than that. It is recognised as being part of South Korean culture. Fans here don’t consider it to be a sign of homosexuality. If you go through the threads that you refer to, they even talk about that. They warn there that those gestures can not be seen as proof of sexuality. people understand it is a cultural thing.
I can’t make you listen to me or understand what I’m saying. All I can tell you is that the things some people speculate like gender or sexuality are a really big deal here in the West. Young people now are very aware that they shouldn’t assume anything. I dint know where that forum is based that you’re talking about, but I can honestly tell you that many fans do not discuss a celebrity’s sexuality.
Tomorrow, I will see if I can find some examples to show you and see if it will help you see what I’m saying.
I can’t make you understand and at this point, I dint even know why I care. I guess I just want you to see that not every one finds it acceptable and maybe you aren’t seeing the whole picture. That’s all and I’m sorry if I am causing offence. I dont want to.
((((I went to the site you showed me and I dint like it))))
so you liked here this site?

believe me, onehallyu suite you perfectly, you would find people sharing same mentality as yours, I know that website
you would be happier there instead of being here
 
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