Jewish Control of the Media in the United States and therefore around the World

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Wealthy Jewish elites controlling the media does not to a Jewish conspiracy. After all, Bill Gates isn’t Jewish. The powerful politicians that are part of the regime aren’t Jewish. Neither are many of the CEOs of the military-industrial corporations (although some might be). This is a conspiracy about consolidating wealth, power, and influence into a small number of hands...

But hey. Let's make it about the Jews. 'cause that way, we turn all our attention on them and let the non-Jewish members of the cabel
 

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Fair enough, but if you're not sure what the Bible says on the matter, you might want to question the rabbi's claims a bit further.
Since when are Western countries making decisions based on interpreting the Bible?

99% of the time they care nothing about the Bible and preach secularism..... then they want to claim they are acting on the Bible?????????????

Can you imagine if Muslims invaded a country and stole their territory and then tried to cite the Quran as justification?

It'a absurd.

Besides, those OT texts have been around for thousands of years and Zionism has only been a thing since the 19th centuy. Was everyone wrong for thousands of years and only in the 19th century did people figure out what the Bible was saying?
 
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Wealthy Jewish elites controlling the media does not to a Jewish conspiracy. After all, Bill Gates isn’t Jewish. The powerful politicians that are part of the regime aren’t Jewish. Neither are many of the CEOs of the military-industrial corporations (although some might be). This is a conspiracy about consolidating wealth, power, and influence into a small number of hands...

But hey. Let's make it about the Jews. 'cause that way, we turn all our attention on them and let the non-Jewish members of the cabel
Okay so you admit Jews control the media. That's what the thread is saying. So we're on the same page. Whether it's a conspiracy or not is another subject. It doesn't necessarily have to be a conspiracy.
 

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You are ignoring critical facts I brought up. Especially how CNN was fixed to sweep it under the rug. So like I was saying, CNN only fired Lamont after the incredible public backlash.
I don't believe it was due to "incredible public backlash" or that there is any evidence to support that claim. You could have just invented that claim out of thin air. If not, I'd like you to post evidence.

I mean you all talk constantly about how they shouldn't be trusted, yet they supposedly manage this secret empire of control. That's not straight thinking logic. If they are so untrustworthy they wouldn't be able to unify enough to control anything.
How is that not straight thinking? By that logic, it's "not straight thinking logic" to believe the mafia or any criminal organizarion exists.

Also, I have not said anything calling Jews untrustworthy- just saying they control the media.
 
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I care about people, I'm out to help people and I want people to have access to the truth. That's the difference between me and them.

God will judge me and when I am to stand before my Creator I want for it to be recorded that I was a voice for truth. I am worried about what God thinks and not what people think.
God hates Liars, among other things (Rev. 21:8). But the lies He is talking about here are those who pervert The Gospel of God. The only Truth....and grace is God in Jesus The Christ....That is the Truth that we should be concerned about when we meet the Lord of whether we have been truthful in the Gospel to our fellow man.
 
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Wealthy Jewish elites controlling the media does not to a Jewish conspiracy. After all, Bill Gates isn’t Jewish.
Bill gates isnt a media personality. We arent saying all rich evil people are Jews, but Jews controlling the media does in fact seem to be a Jewish conspiracy. After all, I posted an article written in the 1920s of Henry Ford explaining why Jews worldwide are behind the media. If we are in the same circumstance 100 years later, that is what I call a conspiracy. (http://antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Henry.Ford/The.International.Jew/ij17.html)
The powerful politicians that are part of the regime aren’t Jewish. Neither are many of the CEOs of the military-industrial corporations (although some might be). This is a conspiracy about consolidating wealth, power, and influence into a small number of hands...

But hey. Let's make it about the Jews. 'cause that way, we turn all our attention on them and let the non-Jewish members of the cabel
The military-industrial complex and intelligence agencies are not Jewish like other arms of world power, but they are definitely in cahoots. They are like different mafia families - similar interests, different people. The major American wars for the past 30 years have been a direct benefit to Israel and not the American people.

The thing is when you ask the question "how do Jewish people affect our society and world", and look at the movements that happen to be led by Jews, the industries controlled by them, the laws changed by them, the events they are connected to, you get shocking answers. Sure the answer's not "the Jews" when youre answering these questions, but it does often seem to be "Jews."
 
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Not sure what that has to do with my specific question. Lightseeker posted claims from a Rabbi stating Jews were forbidden by God from moving to Israel. If someone - anyone - is claiming 'God forbids X', they need to provide Biblical evidence. That was the point.
That is not an uncommon claim among Jews,in fact, this understanding characterizes their entire religion. The most staunch anti-zionist are Jews on this basis. Jews in Israel have had to find an understanding to get around this. They say that "the entire jewish people are the messiah", and therefore are allowed to return. Jews were sent into diaspora due to their sins, and as they understand it, a messiah will come to lead them back to the promised land, once they are spiritually prepared. To enter the promised land without the messiah is to skip the spiritual preparation part. This is even the reason why Jews did not accept Jesus as the messiah 2000 years ago. They were expecting a conqueror who would make Jews rule the world.

With the most cursory google search you could find this which is why I didnt answer you at first, I'm not your personal search engine and Im hear to talk about Jewish power in the media.

Here's what I found in 2 minutes of googling
Isaiah 11:12
(The Messiah) will raise a banner for the nations
and gather the exiles of Israel;
he will assemble the scattered people of Judah
from the four quarters of the earth.

So they are supposed to be exiled and dispersed when the messiah comes

Ezekiel 37:21-24
So says the L-rd G-d, behold I will take the Children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone,
and I will gather them from all sides,
and I will bring them to their land…
and My servant David will be king over them, one shepherd will be for all of them.



https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-if-the-messiah-isn-t-here-yet-does-israel-belong-to-the-jews-1.5452608
https://www.truetorahjews.org/qanda/messiah1
 
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Not sure what that has to do with my specific question. Lightseeker posted claims from a Rabbi stating Jews were forbidden by God from moving to Israel. If someone - anyone - is claiming 'God forbids X', they need to provide Biblical evidence. That was the point.
Did another two minutes of googling. Here you go. Let's keep this thread on topic though.

Biblical Verses Foretelling That G-d Will Send the Jews into Exile

Leviticus 26:33
And if you do not listen to Me, and do not keep all these commandments… and I will scatter you among the nations, and send the sword after you, and your land will be desolate, and your cities destroyed.

Deuteronomy 4:25
I call to witness today heaven and earth that you will perish quickly from the land that you are crossing over the Jordan to possess; you will not stay long on it…And G-d will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number in the nations where G-d will lead you.

Deuteronomy 11:16
Take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be seduced, and you turn away and serve other gods, and bow to them. Then G-d will be angry at you, and He will close up the heavens and there will be no rain, and the earth will not give its produce, and you will perish quickly from upon the good land that G-d gives you.

Deuteronomy 28:36
G-d will lead you and your king, whom you will appoint over you, to a nation you and your fathers did not know.

Deuteronomy 28:63
You shall be moved off the good land which you come to inherit, and G-d will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other.

Biblical Verses Saying that the Jewish People Will be Gathered in from Exile Only When the Messiah Comes

Isaiah 11:1-12
A royal scepter will emerge from the stock of Jesse, and a sapling will sprout from his roots. The spirit of G-d will rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and fear of G-d… And it shall come to pass on that day, that the L-rd will once again acquire the rest of His people…and He will gather the dispersed of Israel, and the scattered of Judah He will gather from the four corners of the earth.

Ezekiel 37:21-24
So says the L-rd G-d, behold I will take the Children of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from all sides, and I will bring them to their land…and My servant David will be king over them, one shepherd will be for all of them.

Talmudic Sources Saying that Jews Are Forbidden to Return from Exile on Their Own and Create a State

Tractate Kesubos 111a
The Biblical book Song of Songs says: “I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, by the gazelles or the deer of the field, not to arouse or awaken the love before it is desired.” This oath occurs three times in the Song of Songs (2:7, 3:5 and 8:4). The Talmud interprets this metaphorical language to mean as follows: the speaker here is G-d, and the “daughters of Jerusalem” are the Jewish people and the nations of the world. During the Jewish exile, which began with the destruction of the Temple in the year 69 CE, G-d placed three oaths upon the world, two upon the Jewish people and one upon the nations. The Jewish people were foresworn not to immigrate as a wall (i.e. en masse) to the Holy Land, and not to rebel against the other nations. The nations were foresworn not to afflict the Jews too much.

Midrash Rabbah on Song of Songs 2:7
The reason for the oath against mass immigration is that if the Jews were to do this on their own, why would the messiah have to come to gather in the exiles of Israel?

Midrash Rabbah on Song of Songs 8:14
The redemption of the Jewish people is compared to the grain harvest, the grape harvest, the spice harvest, and to a woman giving birth. The common thread of all these metaphors is that they cannot be done too early. If grain is cut too early, it will not be good even as animal feed. If grapes are cut too early, they will not even be good to make vinegar. If spice is picked too early, it will not have a smell; it must be allowed to dry out on the tree. And if a woman gives birth prematurely, the baby will not live. So too, if the Jewish people hurries the end, they will not be successful, but at the proper time, may it be soon, they will be successful.

Tractate Shabbos 63a
The difference between the present era and the days of messiah is that in the present era Jews are in exile under the nations and in the days of the messiah they will be independent.

Precedent: Other Moments in History When Jews Attempted to End Exile in an Unauthorized Way

The Tribe of Ephraim
The Midrash Rabbah on Exodus (20:11) states that part of the tribe of Ephraim left Egypt thirty years before the Exodus, and met a bitter end: 300,000 of them were killed by the Philistines. The Midrash Rabbah on Song of Songs 2:7 says that these descendents of Ephraim transgressed the Oath.

The Invaders
The Book of Numbers (14:44) relates that a group of Jews undertook an unauthorized invasion of the Holy Land after the sin of the spies. Moses warned them, "Why do you transgress the command of G-d? It will not succeed!" The end was that "the Amalekites and the Canaanites who dwelt in that hill country came out, and smote them and smashed them to utter destruction." The Targum Yonasan on Song of Songs 2:7 says that these invaders transgressed the Oath.

Bar Kochba
In the year 130 CE, Simeon Bar Kochba led a Jewish revolt against Rome and established a Jewish kingdom. This is another one of the cases listed by the Midrash when the oaths were transgressed. The Talmud (Sanhedrin 93b) says that when the Jewish Sages of that time realized that Bar Kochba was not the messiah, they killed him, putting a stop to his revolt.

Famous Jewish Commentators and Legal Authorities

Rashi (1040-1105)
The prayer “G-d of salvations, in the four oaths” is a reference to the oaths of the Song of Songs. We ask G-d: Save us, for You have made us swear not to rebel against the nations, and we are keeping your oath in exile and bearing the yoke of exile. (Commentary to the Prayerbook)

Maimonides (1135-1204)
The messiah will gather in the Jews from exile. Whoever does not believe in him is denying the Torah, which says (Deuteronomy 30:3), “The L-rd your G-d will restore your exiles and have mercy on you.” (Laws of Kings 11:1)

When King Solomon, peace be upon him, made known with his holy inspiration that this nation, when it is sunk into exile, will try to arouse itself not at its proper time, and they will die because of this and travails will come upon them – he warned against this, and made an oath against this in an allegorical way, and said (Song of Songs 2:7), ‘I adjure you, daughters of Jerusalem…’ (Letter to the Jews of Yemen)

Rabbi Yishaya ben Eliyahu Di Trani (c. 1300)
Living in the Holy Land is a meritorious act; nevertheless, the Jewish people must not all go up together with a strong hand, in an act similar to the ingathering of the exiles, for they are not permitted to hasten the end, until the Creator hastens our redemption. (Piskei Riaz, Kesubos 13:8)

Rabbi Bachya ben Asher (d. 1340)
We must follow in the footsteps of the Patriarchs and prepare ourselves to approach the gentiles with gifts, with soft speech and with prayer before G-d. But war is impossible, for G-d made the Jewish people swear not to wage wars against the nations. (Commentary to Genesis 32:3)

Rabbi Yitzchak ben Sheishes (1326-1408)
There is no doubt that traveling to the Holy Land is a meritorious act…but now, one of the Three Oaths G-d made the Jewish people swear is not to go up as a wall. (Responsa of the Rivash, Chapter 101)

Rabbi Shlomo ben Shimon Duran (1400-1467)
During exile, living in the Holy Land is not a general commandment for all Jews, but on the contrary it is forbidden, as the Talmud says in the last chapter of Kesubos, that this is one of the oaths that G-d made the Jews swear: that they not hurry the end and not go up as a wall. Go and see what happened to the children of Ephraim when they hurried the end! (Responsa of the Rashbash, Chapter 2)

Rabbi Isaac Abarbanel (1437-1508)
Abraham feared that his descendants would rise up to leave the exile before the time set by G-d...we must bear the yoke of the exile and live under the nations until the time of the End. (Yeshuos Meshicho v. 1, p. 11b)

The Maharal of Prague (1520-1609)
G-d made the Jewish people swear by the heavens and the earth not to leave exile before the time. For just as the heavens and the earth keep to the order of nature decreed by G-d, never changing, in the same way the Jewish people must keep the order of exile decreed by G-d. And just as the heavens and earth, if they were to change their nature and order, would bring havoc and destruction to the world, so too if the Jewish people leaves the exile decreed on them by G-d it would mean destruction for them, G-d forbid. Therefore they must not violate the decree. (Netzach Yisroel, Chapter 24)

Rabbi Chaim Ben Attar (1696-1743)
The verse “I will scatter you among the nations” refers to the first oath, which mandates that the Jews remain scattered and not immigrate as a wall, with a strong hand, to resettle the Holy Land. (Ohr Hachaim Commentary to Leviticus 26:32-33)

Rabbi Yonasan Eybeschutz (1690-1764)
The Jewish people cries out to the nations, "Do not awaken an early ingathering of Israel! Even if all the Jews are ready to go to Jerusalem, and all the nations agree, still, G-d forbid that I should go there!” (Ahavas Yonasan)

Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch (1808-1888)
When the uprising led by Bar Kochba proved a disastrous error, it became essential that the Jewish people be reminded for all times of an important fact; namely, that they must never again attempt to restore their national independence by their own power; they were to entrust their future as a nation solely to Divine Providence. (Commentary on the Prayerbook, p. 703)
 
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Thanks for your response. The Biblical verses posted, while informative, don't have anything to do with God forbidding Jews from returning/moving to Israel. Biblical commentaries can help explain further, and reading everything before and after these verses will give a more complete picture.

The Talmud seems to be where the idea came from. It's important to note the Talmud is not the Word of God [Torah].
The Talmud is the Rabbinical tradition and the authoritative text by which Jews understand and interpret the Bible. They say the Bible is the body of the law (torah) while the Talmud is the soul of the law (torah). So it is significant that these ideas come from there.
 

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So you're a Protestant atheist :)

Still rebelling against the Church after becoming atheist and after so many centuries since the King of England rebelled against the Church so he could divorce his wife........... after Martin Luther started Protestantism so he could marry a nun and break his vow of celibacy if I recall correctly......

I don't doubt that the Catholic Church (or the institution alleged to be such) is subverted.....

however, the Catholic Church, while still retaining some rapidly diminishing degree of influence........ does not run the world, nor do the Jesuits.....
 

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Did another two minutes of googling. Here you go. Let's keep this thread on topic though.
TheTalmud is not the Torah... it is not inspired or God breathed. The Orthodox are primarily the ones who subscribe to the talmud.



... however, the Catholic Church, while still retaining some rapidly diminishing degree of influence........ does not run the world, nor do the Jesuits.....
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TheTalmud is not the Torah... it is not inspired or God breathed. The Orthodox are primarily the ones who subscribe to the talmud.
The Talmud is what tells the Jews how to understand the Bible. People might not agree with it but a religious Jew will spend all day in school studying the Talmud. It is a commentary, but it is considered a scripture, an authority. So in the talmud they are told how to understand the cryptic verses of the Torah. So in a way it is more significant. But this is not the topic, we can talk about these things here:
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-talmud.4106/
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-israel-question.5019/
 

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How can you be sure about this?
How can you be sure of the opposite claim?

I get that "Pope" Francis appears to have utterly sold out and the media loved him and non-Catholic liberals love him.... but I'm not aware of converting to Catholicism being the hot new thing.

If VC starts putting out articles showing how Lil Wayne is using subliminal imagery to convert the masses to Catholicism, if random people suddenly start converting to Catholicism in droves, if headlines are in awe at masses of people converting to Catholicism (and not in Third World countries)......

if Oprah announced she's become a Catholic...... if Trump is seen with officials from the Vatican and taking orders from them and Pence is declaring that the US needs to put Vatican interests first.....

if things like that start happening, maybe I'll change my mind.

But there's mountains and mountains of evidence of there being a powerful Israel lobby and that it controls the US......

I don't see any reason to believe the NWO is Catholic. Protestants have been coming up with all kinds of stuff about the Catholic Church for centuries..... I'm not saying nothing is going on.... I think the Catholic Church is subverted and is controlled by the NWO..... but to say the NWO is Catholic?

No, I think a person has to go back to the basics. It's well known- the NWO is out to destroy all religions. Before it destroys them, it's working to subvert them.

So the NWO is out to subvert Protestantism, Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism....... I'm sure if I knew more about the world of Hinduism I could even show how its trying to subvert Hinduism.

If the masses are suddenly led by the "elite" to start converting to Catholicism- I invite you to quote this post and deliver an "I told you so". However, we have hundreds of years of history to see The Conspiracy in action and the study of such definitely supports the thesis of the Catholic Church being subverted.... however, I don't think the NWO is Catholic.
 

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NYT
Andrew Ross Sorkin – Chief M&A Correspondent - jew
Thomas Friedman – Op-Ed Columnist- jew
Paul Krugman – Op-Ed Columnist-jew
CNN
National Security analyst - Peter Bergen - Jew
I decided to run your lists along with the CFR Membership list to see how well they'd sync. ^^^

Other notable (media personality) council members (Jewish or not): Charlie Rose, Diane Sawyer and Barbra Walters.
 

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How can you be sure of the opposite claim?

I get that "Pope" Francis appears to have utterly sold out and the media loved him and non-Catholic liberals love him.... but I'm not aware of converting to Catholicism being the hot new thing.

If VC starts putting out articles showing how Lil Wayne is using subliminal imagery to convert the masses to Catholicism, if random people suddenly start converting to Catholicism in droves, if headlines are in awe at masses of people converting to Catholicism (and not in Third World countries)......

if Oprah announced she's become a Catholic...... if Trump is seen with officials from the Vatican and taking orders from them and Pence is declaring that the US needs to put Vatican interests first.....

if things like that start happening, maybe I'll change my mind.

But there's mountains and mountains of evidence of there being a powerful Israel lobby and that it controls the US......

I don't see any reason to believe the NWO is Catholic. Protestants have been coming up with all kinds of stuff about the Catholic Church for centuries..... I'm not saying nothing is going on.... I think the Catholic Church is subverted and is controlled by the NWO..... but to say the NWO is Catholic?

No, I think a person has to go back to the basics. It's well known- the NWO is out to destroy all religions. Before it destroys them, it's working to subvert them.

So the NWO is out to subvert Protestantism, Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism....... I'm sure if I knew more about the world of Hinduism I could even show how its trying to subvert Hinduism.

If the masses are suddenly led by the "elite" to start converting to Catholicism- I invite you to quote this post and deliver an "I told you so". However, we have hundreds of years of history to see The Conspiracy in action and the study of such definitely supports the thesis of the Catholic Church being subverted.... however, I don't think the NWO is Catholic.
I don't think the plan is to convert anybody to Catholacism but I do think the plan to reduce the world's population to 500 million is a Jesuit plot.

I stand by my belief that the NWO has Jesuit roots.

Did you watch the video I posted? If so what part of it are you disagreeing with? Some of it or all of it?
 

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Just to show I look at all sides, angles of the subject, here is this video. I just like a lot of info and trust no one source which is slanted. The truth is somewhere in between the lines, blurred a bit if you will. Still, this is a video which takes on a lot of the contentions in the thread.

 
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I decided to run your lists along with the CFR Membership list to see how well they'd sync. ^^^

Other notable (media personality) council members (Jewish or not): Charlie Rose, Diane Sawyer and Barbra Walters.
Interesting they would take the OP Ed columnists of all people. I guess they can write whatever non sense they want without it having to be classed as "news" even!
 
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