I wonder - did a “high
Christology” or a “low Christology” lead Madam Guyon to a belief in salvation through grace by faith? It matters...
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In the Christian dispute regarding
grace and works, Guyon defended the belief that salvation is the result of grace rather than works. Like
St. Augustine,
St. Thomas Aquinas,
Calvin, and
Martin Luther, she thought that a person's deliverance can only come from God as an outside source, never from within the person himself or herself. As a result of His own free will, God bestows his favour as a gift. In her autobiography, for example, Madame Guyon criticized self–righteous people who try to gain heaven through their works. She praised lowly sinners who merely submitted themselves to God's will. Of the so-called righteous, she wrote: "the righteous person, supported by the great number of works of righteousness he presumes to have done, seems to hold his salvation in his own hands, and regards heaven as the recompense due to his merits.… His Saviour is, for him, almost useless.
[2] "These 'righteous persons' expect God to save them as a reward for their good works." In contrast to the self-sufficient, "righteous" egoists, the sinners who have selflessly submitted to God "are carried swiftly by the wings of love and confidence into the arms of their Saviour, who gives them gratuitously what He has infinitely merited for them".
[2] God's "bounties are effects of His will, and not the fruits of our merits."
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As for “this phony self identity worshipping yid”, Amir Tsarfati comes out as believing the same thing as me about salvation, which does seem to rather rule out the worship of self.
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i call him 'yid' in the zionist/israeli mossad style sense, as in, he's one of 'them assholes'
that doesnt mean i dont value JEWISHNESS when it comes to religion and metaphysics
for example, you wont get many muslims like me who are comfortable with taking knowledge from kabballah...but i do. why? because it fits in my metaphysical map.
the left side and right side, yin and yang, feminine and masculine.
the left side pertains to our metaphysical descent..and that side deals with the Jalali side of God, that is the side of God that is old testament like.
since Jesus came to bring about the metaphysical ascent and as a manifestation/incarnation of the logos (as in, our goal, where we come from and where we' want to return to), then he was part of the Jamali side of God, which is His Mercy and Love.
However what Madam Guyon through her own experiences dealt with..as Jesus dealt with, was that to reach the yang side, they got there through the yin side..that is yin leads to yang and vice versa..and it is only through the experience of both of them combined that one reaches the highest level..experiences death of their carnal nature and so forth.
that is the meaning of these words by Imam Malik
Imam Malik (r) said, "Whoever studies jurisprudence [fiqh] and didn't study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn't study fiqh will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth."
this even relates directly to John 1: 1
The Word was with God (pertaining to our metaphysical descent, to God's Trancendence and seperation from us), the side which brings laws which require submission (yin, is about submssion).
The IS GOD (pertaining to our metaphysical ascent and the experience of God's Immanence in All). The side which connects us to all people and through which the experience of LOVE brings about righteousness.
The two are called the path of right-action and the path of non-action in eastern philosophy.
Madam Guyon did not go around studying material from different religions. she had her own experiences and shared them..and i could understand/contexualise them because im familiar with the themes.
Where she went deeper was in really explaining that the yin side (not her precise words, but how i u nderstand them) leads to the yang side. that is, that to experience unity of consciousness, a person has to totally die to their self..by total submission..
that is more than merely following laws, that is total total submission...the classical sufi ways.
Since that yin side pertains to the OT side of God, that doesnt fit into the nice little 'jezuz mangod' system does it? so she got kicked out of the catholic church and accused of 'trusting in her own works'
so what you've posted only shows one side of the story, the side where she's not directly saying it, but implying that faith > works, but they dont see the deeper contexts within tyhat where faith is works and vice versa.
the seperation of the 2, is only within the context of judaism, which was an imbalanced system.
in islam, the 2 are the same thing. they are not seperate. you cannot have one without the other.
greater yin/lesser yang and vice versa.
the zionist you're glorifying, is just one of them 'let me derp a christian style answer, so them stupid roman pagans just accept me and i can feed them with pro zionist/anti islam all day long'
lets not kid ourselves
the guy is here only to hate on islam..and his whole speeches are merely a ploy to get your attention whilst he goes on planted the seeds of anti-muslim rhetoric.
ive actually listened to him a few times, i dont just say this without justification
im a good judge of character and when i see a cunt, im not wrong.
works, is about submitting to the will of God
not about worship of the self
he is 'worshipping the self' via his identity, it's about praising his judaism and knowing you xtians worship that bloodline.
it's about presenting a grand 'islam vs christianity' message to you idiots.
you do know that jews used to create fake prophecies like the Bahman yast, using biblical style themes, to make the persians hate the christians/romans...just to ferment war between them so THEY can grow stronger and take jerusalem?
you know what the end game was? the persians woke up, realised the jews had manipulated them, took jerusalem and done a lot of killing of christians there, so they pulled the plug..and the jews nearly got ruined by romans.
the best bit is that all their efforts did was benefit muslims, but in return muslims gave jews shelter and a new home/context to live in to escape persecution from christians.
this yid is just feeding you with the same east vs west propaganda...and we know in advance where the whore and the false prophet of theirs are going.
so i suppose i can just sit back and enjoy it.