Jesus = Lucifer?

[AspiringSoul]

This. I've said this very same thing countless times. Logically it doesn't make sense for Satan to do that. Intelligent Christians never say the Quran was authored by Satan because they know pitfalls in that statement. It's usually low IQ Christians that make ridiculous statements like lol.

american evangelical types
the dumbest of the dumb.
that quote was from Jesus who was accused of exorcising demons in the name of baal.

 

[TokiEl]

This. I've said this very same thing countless times. Logically it doesn't make sense for Satan to do that. Intelligent Christians never say the Quran was authored by Satan because they know pitfalls in that statement. It's usually low IQ Christians that make ridiculous statements like lol.

Well where to begin... in the Quran Jesus Christ was not crucified but in the Bible he was.

So what's up with that ?

 

[TokiEl]

All these countries were european christian...and former colonies of the roman empire.
Rome became Christian. Everything these nations then conquered became subsequent extentions of rome and hence part of the beast system.

Furthermore, creating a globalised world meant they allowed immigrants in, first from the commonwealth and then from the EU.
Also, christians took N.America and australasia, 2 continents...you're whining over a few million muslims in europe?

Rome was not Christian for long as the Catholic Church became more interested in worldly wealth and power. So much so that Christendom broke with Rome about 500 years ago.

At the same time the Anglican Church became the personal property of the English monarch.

So true Christendom is today not strong at all and made up of common people here and there in towns and countrysides.

Yes i know the world is going ungodly global where there is no place for Jews and Christians... but that is okay we got the world to come forever.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Well where to begin... in the Quran Jesus Christ was not crucified but in the Bible he was.

So what's up with that ?

In the context, it says
those jews who boasted about killing him, didn't kill him or crucify him, it only appeared as if they had.

The way I personally understand it is that it does not contradict the bible at all but presents a different take on it.
The sadducees were a group of literalists who strictly only believed in what was written in the old testament.
Words like Gehenna, were not mentioned in the bible. There was no real mention of an afterlife the way Jesus spoke, so they rejected him. They obviously did not believein the resurrection so to them, this physical body is all you have and when you're physically dead, you're dead.
The Quran also says
"think not of the slain as dead, no, they live" referring to martydom.

There is a book called Wisdom. In that it explains how Death is only an illusion created by our carnal/sinful nature. That "God did not intend death" "he made the soul everlasting".
It was a book that foretold the story of Jesus (Wisdom chapter 2, is one of the best prophecies ive ever read).
in that chapter it actually spoke of the sadducee's, their denial of the afterlife and thieir belief only in the material world. That they would hate Jesus and want to kill him because he calls himself the 'son of God' and they want to test God ie 'will he let us kill his 'son''
so they put him to death......or so it appears (this is what the book says)
in otherwords, it only appears like they've killed him
it says 'to the unenlightened they appeared to die, but their hope was rich in immortality'
it even tells us they (all the martys) will return one day to judge everyone.

it basically foretold the whole thing but it's end game was to explain exactly what the Quran has done, in more detail about life and death. This is important given Jesus is not 'dead' but living.....
IF the Quran had started talking about the resurrection/crucifixion, that would have been a huge topic in it's own right, considering there's an entire new testament and an old testament with so many prophecies connected to it.

though i doubt you will look at my answer with any deep thought and honesty.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Rome was not Christian for long as the Catholic Church became more interested in worldly wealth and power. So much so that Christendom broke with Rome about 500 years ago.

At the same time the Anglican Church became the personal property of the English monarch.

So true Christendom is today not strong at all and made up of common people here and there in towns and countrysides.

Yes i know the world is going ungodly global where there is no place for Jews and Christians... but that is okay we got the world to come forever.

The Catholics believe in the religious text but in addition, they believe in the 'traditions' of the church fathers. This is lke how most jews follow the talmud containing the view of rabbis.
Martin luther basically hated the vatican because they were chasing wealth/power. Luther was not a theologically sound or intelligent person. For example he accused the vatican of being 'the whore of babylon' but then accused the pope of being the 'anti-christ'
this is basically dumb as fuck, because the anti-christ rules the beast..and it says 'he will hate the prostitute and bring her to ruin'
Yet because he created the protestant movement, you consider this 'christendom'
laughable shit.

actually martin luther did not have much support outside of germany (and holland maybe) at the time. What changed matters was when Henry the 8th wanted a new wife and the pope didnt grant him permission. His spanish wife's nephew was the emperor of the holy roman empire. He attacked the vatican. Meanwhile henry 8th had his rule over normany taken from him by the french king (who was a distant cousin of henry).
So france and britain were gearing up for war but the king had beef with the french. He asked the Pope to make the french cease hostilities and attack the spanish together. Instead, the pope forgave the emperor and helped make an alliance between the french and spanish.

Henry was pissed, then his divorce wasn't granted...
So he decided to join the protestant movement.
He was the biggest reason protestantism spread because he gave it real support and selected men like Thomas Cromwell to go out and burn catholic books, but instead cromwell had many catholic churches and books burnt, and catholics killed.
After Anne Bolyn failed to give birth to a son and was also beheaded...Cromwell found the king a new wife.
here's the best bit, he wasn't allowed to see her face before marraige because this was one of those weird things the german protestants did.
The king didnt find her attractive, so he had cromwell conveniently killed and blamed him for all the unrest in the country.

THIS is how 'christendom' was conceived.
fucking hilarious

 

[TokiEl]

In the context, it says
those jews who boasted about killing him, didn't kill him or crucify him, it only appeared as if they had.
.

Yes the Quran says that Jesus Christ was not crucified.

Therefore the Quran is proven wrong.

 

[TokiEl]

Henry was pissed, then his divorce wasn't granted...
So he decided to join the protestant movement.
He was the biggest reason protestantism spread because he gave it real support and selected men like Thomas Cromwell to go out and burn catholic books, but instead cromwell had many catholic churches and books burnt, and catholics killed.

The Anglican church is the personal property of the English monarch.
It does what the king/queen wills.

Furthermore the family of the English monarch are grandmasters of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry which is the continuation of the Knights Templar worship Lucifer who is the moon god of Islam.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Yes the Quran says that Jesus Christ was not crucified.

Therefore the Quran is proven wrong.

though i doubt you will look at my answer with any deep thought and honesty.

 

[TokiEl]

though i doubt you will look at my answer with any deep thought and honesty.

Try as you may you can't wiggle your way out of this one.

 

[AspiringSoul]

The Anglican church is the personal property of the English monarch.
It does what the king/queen wills.

Furthermore the family of the English monarch are grandmasters of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry which is the continuation of the Knights Templar worship Lucifer who is the moon god of Islam.

they crusaded against islam for hundreds of years in the name of christen'dom' you dumb fuck,.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Try as you may you can't wiggle your way out of this one.

I already have given my answer, quit trolling and read.

 

[TokiEl]

they crusaded against islam for hundreds of years in the name of christen'dom' you dumb fuck,.

Why so vile loudmouth ?

You can't help it ? According to Freemasonry (which is the continuation of Knights Templar) they worship Lucifer.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Why so vile loudmouth ?

You can't help it ? According to Freemasonry (which is the continuation of Knights Templar) they worship Lucifer.

it's a natural response to your bs.

 

[TokiEl]

What was translated as "Lucifer son of the morning" in Isaiah 14:12 is the Hebrew "heylel ben shachar".

Well "heylel" is only used one time in the Bible in the sense of brightness... and "hilal" is the Arabic word for crescent.

So it turns out that Lucifer is not Jesus... but Allah. End of that story.