Let me explain why I feel why this type of thinking is lazy. Every bad thing you say happened under the watch of the God of Israel, is happening right now. As we speak, people are somewhere getting killed, raped, tortured, eaten, beat, oppressed, abused and every negative word you want to throw around. Now my question is, where is YOUR god? Lets not talk about what the God of Israel was doing with the people He made a covenant with. Why is YOUR god ALLOWING all these things to happen right now, while you turn around and demonize the God of Israel, for allowing those things to happen under His watch during biblical times? Now THIS is what I would call "hypocrisy and double standards"
The reality is that they were showing you that good AND evil comes from the same source. And that theres not some imaginary battle between good and evil going on. All the same source. So if you're going to take that stance about the God of Israel, then you should drop all mentions of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses, Noah, Lot, etc... Because these all come with the entity you're rejecting...
Besides, according to what is written of the character "Jesus", he "came" and quoted the OT. He quoted the prophets of the God of Israel. He quoted the commandments in the OT verbatim. But what he REALLY wanted us to get is that thats Satan? And to me, that smells like gnosticism. And also to me, gnosticism sounds like luciferianism. =
I'm stating that every single expression of 'God' humans have experienced was a thoughtform..and all thoughtforms are in OUR IMAGE.
The personality projected onto Yahweh, or Allah, are projected by people both individually and collectively. So when people are living under a reptilian(lower brain) dominated state of mind, what would you expect from their thoughtform? how does the monkey mind behave? exactly like the God of Israel. Except that isnt THE God, it is the israelite's thoughtform of God. it is a reflection of them, not of THE God.
in the Quran/hadith, the God of Israel is the same God of islam, the Abrahamic God, that's because they're linked. It's still a different expression though, so whilst some of the mythology is different, most of it is the same. It's linked, but a little better, more evolved. The same with Jesus coming with a NEW testament.
As for why Jesus didn't disassociate with Yahweh or the OT/prophets, it's because he's part of the story behind the the upward evolution of the nation...another thoughtform but the same nation. If you read the OT, most the prophets were acknowledging 'our sinfulness' and holding onto various ideals...which were to come later.
It's like saying 'we know this thoughtform is bad, because we're bad...and we need a new thoughtform but dont posses the ability to create one yet'.
What Jesus represented was the new thoughtform. He was an incarnation of the Logos. Therefore it manifested into the world, the idea/thoughtform...as Jesus Christ. that is a new thoughtform.
He was a manifestation of the suffering servant archetype which was required to create a new thoughtform of God, the Father.
so it's more like one thoughtform leading to another as a natural consequence.
in gnosticism, they believe THE CREATOR is the demiurge and that he is evil and works against the PRIMORDIAL Essence. Actually the gnostics had differing views on the level of the demiurge eg the creator of the physical world only or the creator of all things..they couldnt decide because they simply didnt know.
In Vedanta/hinduism, they believe Ishvara (God) is the Essence (Brahman) expressing itself through Maya/illusion..eg the process of creation, multiplicity is the illusion. Here, they don't attack Ishvara or Maya as evil, but as a necessary component of expression. What they call Avidya/ignorance, is due to our lack of insight concerning the true nature of Self. Eg we are all the LOGOS/VISHNU/universal consciousness...we're not drops of the primordial waters, we're the entire ocean.
Gnosticism, Manichaeism and Zoroastrianism were attemps to understand what the Hindus explained much better, in a different place/context.
do you believe in angels existing in a non-physical dimension that require wings to move upwards? is God in a location they go to?
this is all just a projection of human consciousness.
The metaphysics is real, but how the brain interprets it is different.
Examples
in hinduism, 7 lokas/heavens, connected to 7 chakras..
in islam, 7 heavens.
in the hadith the story of the ascension experience of the prophet, tells us names of prophets he saw on each of the 7 heavens.
if you did some research...each prophet actually represented one of the chakras/lokas. For example, Adam represents the physical world/root chakra. Jesus and John the baptist represents the sacral chakra, the etheric plane who's symbol is water.
it is so accurate that for example Aaron represented the 6th heaven, which is connected to the throat chakra.
the story itself, was most likely a real experience...but it isn't literally true...it is a real experience, that is all.
if i go onto the astral plane and see some stuff, it doesnt mean it was absolutely true, just that it was a real experience.
personally, i look at for example the paradox of evil..and think the only way 'God' can make sense is if God is impersonal. The personality/revelation of God as i said are projections...real experiences but not absolutely real.
I really dont think the primordial power is so petty as the deity in the scriptures. I don't think the primordial power cares about people worshipping it.
take you for example, you're properly defending Yahweh. Now can you tell me why Yahweh punished the jewish nation for the sins of their kings/upper level people...by personally inspiring the king of babylon and the babylonians to massacre everyone, r*pe women and children, rip out unborn children from their mothers wombs, force the most loving mothers to give up and EAT their own children to survive?
in the Quran Allah tells us that what we suffer, is from our own selves. So i cannot believe in God's punishment..except as a reflection of our selves eg we merely experience God punishing us, as opposed to God actually punishing us. it is the mind, projecting this experience onto us.
So all of that brutality in the OT was the jewish nation collectively projecting that horrible shit..and the reason is because they were horrible people...and that's why their God, Yahweh, supported them fully as they went on massacring the Canaanites.
1 Samuel 15:3
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
meanwhile the muslim thoughtform of God must be far better because
Abu Bakr (the First Caliph) gave these rules to an army he was sending to battle: Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful
The Quran
(6) And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (9:36)].
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #190)
these thoughtforms are still connected. it's still ultimately part of a bigger story.
Whilst many muslims just blindly tell themselves 'oh yeh da bible is false, i dun believe it, it's made up, Allah is KIND and Compassionate'
in Surah 17 Allah tells us HE sent 'OUR SERVANTS' (the babylonians) to punish the jews. He calls them SERVANTS because they were instruments He inspired..and yet, this is where all the massacres, rapes, cannibalism etc took place. In the OT God Willed it
" I will make them fall by the sword before their enemies, at the hands of those who want to kill them, and I will give their carcasses as food to the birds and the wild animals. 8 I will devastate this city and make it an object of horror and scorn; all who pass by will be appalled and will scoff because of all its wounds. 9 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.’
And if you ask yourself,
“Why has this happened to me?”—
it is because of your many sins
that your skirts have been torn off
and your body mistreated.
^^
a r*pe metaphor...nice.
'you deserved to be raped'.
the shit jeremiah went through...is enough to convince me that isnt the True primordial power eg it isnt THE God. it is a thoughtform the nation projected and it was punishing them for their own actions..because they werent feeding it, they werent sacrificing to it, they were following other 'gods/thoughtforms'.
how the fuck can you defend Yahweh though? i think you must have a screw loose to actually defend Yahweh. Most people just pretend this stuff isnt there.
ive seen that idiot
@TokiEl say 'they deserved it' lmfao after i asked him about the r*pe and Cannibalism in the bible.
Also, i have to say...even if i reject these and 'believe in God' my mind will still project God in my own image, that isnt my intent is it? i didnt create my brain bro, lmao. my mind will still fuck with me..and the God experience with it
UNLESS, i transcend the mind..and ultimately that's what islam teaches, it's what Jesus taught.
for example in one hadith the prophet said
'when you sleep your ruh/spirit returns to Allah'
this concept in hinduism is called Turiya consciousness.
there are people who attain this state of consciousness by experiencing the Delta brainwave state and beyond, whilst consciously awake.
they all regard Turiya consciousness as real..and all other states of consciousness as actual dream like states that arent real.
likewise islam teaches us the same thing, this reality is a dream.
Advaita also posits the fourth state of Turiya, which some describe as pure consciousness, the background that underlies and transcends these three common states of consciousness.[web 1][web 2] Turiya is the state of liberation, where according to the Advaita school, one experiences the infinite (ananta) and non-different (advaita/abheda), that is free from the dualistic experience, the state in which ajativada, non-origination, is apprehended.[10] According to Candradhara Sarma, Turiya state is where the foundational Self is realized, it is measureless, neither cause nor effect, all pervading, without suffering, blissful, changeless, self-luminous, real, immanent in all things and transcendent.[11] Those who have experienced the Turiya stage of self-consciousness have reached the pure awareness of their own non-dual Self as one with everyone and everything, for them the knowledge, the knower, the known becomes one, they are the Jivanmukta.
also you said
gNositCizms Iz lUCiferiAnism
no, it isnt...luciferians literally worship satan and justify it, saying it is just the other side of the good side...the shadow..and they have a shit philosophy where they attempt to justify it, likening it to the 'dance of Shiva' which is an entirely different metaphysical concept...
they misunderstood hinduism and came up with this new age crapola.
gnostics obv dont worship the demiurge and are more honest in their intentions.
luciferianism plays off the stupidity of christianity...eg lucifer is not satan. lucifer, the morning star, the light bringinger, is the a metaphor for wisdom. in Rev 2 the holy spirit says 'i will give him the morning star' eg 'i will give him wisdom'.
it is used in jest against the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14, where it calls him the fallen one but also calls him the morning star.
so some dumb christians in the middle ages literally decided that satan IS lucifer..
and then the luciferians came in with their new age orientalist approach and came up with something dumb entirely.
the entity known as satan, is just 'a satan' in islam. there is no Absolute satan. Evil is a natural byproduct of good, they exist in duality.
so the moment Wisdom/light was created, so was ignorant/darkness/evil.
What the christians did was they attached the concept of evil entirely onto a satanic..and made it THE Satan.
that's why the luciferians were able to play off this ignorance and come up with their dualistic philosophy.
However my main point is, they are nothing like the gnostics. the gnostics dont serve evil.
they regard yahweh as the demiurge, whereas i regard yahweh as a national thoughtform.
Even if it was centered on the idea of the Absolute creator..those israelites had a very small idea of the universe anyway. that's why they have a geocentric world view of creation.