Jesus didn't claim to be God

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Please read and verify this for yourselves. To say Jesus claimed to be God when He did not do so according to the Gospels is making a grave error. Please be advised.

Christians don't read The Law, which is why they are unable to properly understand the Gospels.

Jesus warned about this:

John
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Christians should therefore heed the warning and carefully read The Law and The Gospels to see what Jesus did actually say and what Jesus did not say.

Original Koran
5:112. One day will "I AM" gather the Apostles together, and ask: "What was the response ye received (from men to your teaching)?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is Thou Who knowest in full all that is hidden."
5:113. Then will "I AM" say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit (Christ), so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book (Torah and Prophets) and Wisdom, The Law and the Gospel and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, thou breathest into it, and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! Thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the Unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but sorcery.'
5:114. "And behold! I inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me and My Messenger. they said, 'We have faith, and bear thou witness that we bow to "I AM" as those "True in Faith"'."
5:115. Behold! The disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear "I AM", if ye have faith."
5:116. They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
5:117. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O "I AM" our Lord! Send us from heaven a Table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a Sign from Thee and provide for our sustenance, for Thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
5:118. "I AM" said: "I will send it down unto you: but if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a Penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
5:119. And behold! "I AM" will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of "I AM"'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! NEVER could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
5:120. "Never said I to them anything except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship "I AM", my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
5:121. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servants: if Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
5:122. "I AM" will say: "This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: "I AM" well-pleased with them, and they with "I AM": that is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires).
5:123. To "I AM" doth belong the Dominion of the heavens and the Earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.

9:30. The Jews call Ezra a son of "I AM", and the Christians call Jesus the Son of "I AM". That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they only imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. "I AM"'s Curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
9:31. They take their priests and their monks to be their lords in derogation of "I AM", and (they take as their Lord) Jesus the son of Mary; yet they were commanded (by him) to worship only One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
9:32. Gladly would they extinguish "I AM"'s Light with their mouths, but "I AM" will only allow that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

You are invited to read the [Original Koran] and then see for yourself how it compares with the Gospels in the king James bible.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the Temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but He that sent me is True, whom ye know not.
7:29 But I know Him: for I am from Him, and He hath sent me.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Christ told us that He came in the name of His Father ("I AM")

Which is in accordance with The Law:

Deuteronomy 18:5 For the "I AM" thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the "I AM", him and his sons for ever.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed [is] the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 8:49 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am (ch. 17:5).

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

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Philippians 2:5-8
Have this attitude in yourself which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”
‭‭
John 6:38‬
It’s God who lives in heaven...


God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
‭‭EXODUS‬ ‭3:14‬ ‭

“Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭8:58-59‬ ‭
The reason they were going to throw stones at Jesus was because He just told them He was God.
 





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Philippians 2:5-8
Have this attitude in yourself which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Philippians
2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the likeness of God, thought it not correct to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made into the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of the Saviour every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Christ Jesus [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”
‭‭
John 6:38‬
It’s God who lives in heaven...
The heavenly host live in heaven too:
Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
2:15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.
God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
‭‭EXODUS‬ ‭3:14‬ ‭

“Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.”
‭‭JOHN‬ ‭8:58-59‬ ‭
The reason they were going to throw stones at Jesus was because He just told them He was God.
No. -

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed [is] the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 8:49 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am (ch. 17:5).

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
 





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Please read and verify this for yourselves. To say Jesus claimed to be God when He did not do so according to the Gospels is making a grave error. Please be advised.

Christians don't read The Law, which is why they are unable to properly understand the Gospels.

Jesus warned about this:

John
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Christians should therefore heed the warning and carefully read The Law and The Gospels to see what Jesus did actually say and what Jesus did not say.

Original Koran
5:112. One day will "I AM" gather the Apostles together, and ask: "What was the response ye received (from men to your teaching)?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is Thou Who knowest in full all that is hidden."
5:113. Then will "I AM" say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit (Christ), so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book (Torah and Prophets) and Wisdom, The Law and the Gospel and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, thou breathest into it, and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! Thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the Unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but sorcery.'
5:114. "And behold! I inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me and My Messenger. they said, 'We have faith, and bear thou witness that we bow to "I AM" as those "True in Faith"'."
5:115. Behold! The disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear "I AM", if ye have faith."
5:116. They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
5:117. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O "I AM" our Lord! Send us from heaven a Table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a Sign from Thee and provide for our sustenance, for Thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
5:118. "I AM" said: "I will send it down unto you: but if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a Penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."
5:119. And behold! "I AM" will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of "I AM"'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! NEVER could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
5:120. "Never said I to them anything except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship "I AM", my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
5:121. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servants: if Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."
5:122. "I AM" will say: "This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: "I AM" well-pleased with them, and they with "I AM": that is the great Salvation, (the fulfillment of all desires).
5:123. To "I AM" doth belong the Dominion of the heavens and the Earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things.

9:30. The Jews call Ezra a son of "I AM", and the Christians call Jesus the Son of "I AM". That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they only imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. "I AM"'s Curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
9:31. They take their priests and their monks to be their lords in derogation of "I AM", and (they take as their Lord) Jesus the son of Mary; yet they were commanded (by him) to worship only One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
9:32. Gladly would they extinguish "I AM"'s Light with their mouths, but "I AM" will only allow that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

You are invited to read the [Original Koran] and then see for yourself how it compares with the Gospels in the king James bible.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the Temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but He that sent me is True, whom ye know not.
7:29 But I know Him: for I am from Him, and He hath sent me.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Christ told us that He came in the name of His Father ("I AM")

Which is in accordance with The Law:

Deuteronomy 18:5 For the "I AM" thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the "I AM", him and his sons for ever.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed [is] the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 8:49 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am (ch. 17:5).

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

[The King of kings' Bible - Containing The Holy Bible and Holy Koran in Perfect Harmony]
The Quran was written approx 6th century AD. The New Testament was written by end of 1st century AD,
Muhammad was not a witness (born approx 6th century), the apostles walked with Jesus Himself.

Anyone with a brain would take the writings of witnesses/ disciples of witnesses as the true beliefs of that faith, not the writings of a man 500 years later!!!!

You are not a bible student if you believe the Quran. You believe the heretic John Anthony Hill instead.
You know how to search CHRISTIAN apologetics websites* that explain why Jesus Christ is believed to be God by Christians.

You still haven't shown the biblical scholar qualifications that a genuine translator would show to prove his credentials. For all we know John Anthony Hill could have received all this mishmash of religious texts via hallucinations or automatic writing.

* for those unfamilar with the Christian position
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Jesus-Christ,-Deity-Of
https://carm.org/jesus-christ/is-jesus-god
https://www.moodybible.org/beliefs/deity-of-jesus-christ/
 





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My new favourite preacher...Jesus said he was God many times...for those who have ears.
 





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The reason the Jewish leaders wanted Jesus dead is because of his claims of deity.

I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
 





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JOHN 10:26-30
... ye do not believe, for ye are not of my sheep, according as I said to you: My sheep my voice do hear, and I know them, and they follow me, and life age-during I give to them, and they shall not perish — to the age, and no one shall pluck them out of my hand; my Father, who hath given to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of the hand of my Father...
I and the Father are one.’​
This is not new material.

~
 





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The reason the Jewish leaders wanted Jesus dead is because of his claims of deity.


I and my Father are one.



Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.



Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?



The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Sorry, Thunderian... missed your post. :/

Nevertheless.. great minds :)
 





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You are saying what you have invented yourselves and not what Christ said. -

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

They did not want to accept Jesus as the Messiah who came in his Father's name ("I AM") because if they did, then they would have to obey him.

That is why they wanted him dead, as Jesus also said to them:

Matthew 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
21:39 And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].
 





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JOHN 10:26-30

... ye do not believe, for ye are not of my sheep, according as I said to you: My sheep my voice do hear, and I know them, and they follow me, and life age-during I give to them, and they shall not perish — to the age, and no one shall pluck them out of my hand; my Father, who hath given to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck out of the hand of my Father...

I and the Father are one.’​


This is not new material.

~
John
17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee:
17:2 As Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give Eternal Life to as many as Thou hast given him.
17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them me; and they have kept Thy Word.
17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever Thou hast given me are of Thee.
17:8 For I have given unto them the Words which Thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from Thee, and they have believed that Thou didst send me.
17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which Thou hast given me; for they are Thine.
17:10 And all mine are Thine, and Thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom Thou hast given me, that they may be one, as We [are].
17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Thy name: those that Thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
17:13 And now come I to Thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my Joy fulfilled in themselves.
17:14 I have given them Thy Word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:15 I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil (one - Lucifer) [in the world].
17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I know Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent me.
17:26 And I have declared unto them Thy identity, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith Thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
 





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The Quran was written approx 6th century AD. The New Testament was written by end of 1st century AD,
Muhammad was not a witness (born approx 6th century), the apostles walked with Jesus Himself.

Anyone with a brain would take the writings of witnesses/ disciples of witnesses as the true beliefs of that faith, not the writings of a man 500 years later!!!!

You are not a bible student if you believe the Quran. You believe the heretic John Anthony Hill instead.
You know how to search CHRISTIAN apologetics websites* that explain why Jesus Christ is believed to be God by Christians.

You still haven't shown the biblical scholar qualifications that a genuine translator would show to prove his credentials. For all we know John Anthony Hill could have received all this mishmash of religious texts via hallucinations or automatic writing.

* for those unfamilar with the Christian position
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Jesus-Christ,-Deity-Of
https://carm.org/jesus-christ/is-jesus-god
https://www.moodybible.org/beliefs/deity-of-jesus-christ/
The Lord told Mohammed exactly the same as Jesus had taught, which is NOT to worship Jesus, or Mohammed, or any other Prophet or Angel, and to worship ONLY God (Sura 3:79)(Mark 10:18 & Matt. 5:48), and NOT to be priests (Sura 57:27 & Sura 4:152)(Matt. 5:19 & 23:8).
 





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John
17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee:
17:2 As Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give Eternal Life to as many as Thou hast given him.
17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them me; and they have kept Thy Word.
17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever Thou hast given me are of Thee.
17:8 For I have given unto them the Words which Thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from Thee, and they have believed that Thou didst send me.
17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which Thou hast given me; for they are Thine.
17:10 And all mine are Thine, and Thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom Thou hast given me, that they may be one, as We [are].
17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Thy name: those that Thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
17:13 And now come I to Thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my Joy fulfilled in themselves.
17:14 I have given them Thy Word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:15 I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil (one - Lucifer) [in the world].
17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I know Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent me.
17:26 And I have declared unto them Thy identity, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith Thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
And?

That doesn't negate the Truth of John 10:30-- how could it? It is part of the same book. You posted the same thing above...

John 17:22
17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
 





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Jesus is not god but christ immaculate. God, creator of all ... is making sure the prophecy is fulfilled. You make your own choices as individuals and when the choices become unbearable to jesuschrist, ure demise and wrath will be opened and as u dont get better ure situations get worse, ure wishes will not be granted, ure lives will be locked, and ure torments get worse.
 





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Christ (the Being) himself (not Jesus the human) claims only to be the Son.

The Vatican's blasphemy
You didn’t answer my question what the heavenly host has to do with Christ living there, I was interested in your reply...

Anyway..I’m not catholic and I don’t care about your article about what Jesus thinks about the Vatican. Try sticking with Christianity says.

Jesus-God the Son is also half human when He comes to earth which is why He can a.)fulfill the scriptures and be the kinsman redeemer and b.) be perfect and not sin.
 





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And?

That doesn't negate the Truth of John 10:30-- how could it? It is part of the same book. You posted the same thing above...

John 17:22

17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
Read it as one complete statement. What does it say?

And how does your interpretation correlate with God and Jesus' other statements?

John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

This is what Christ says of Himself; I'm just showing you what He says.

It's up to everyone to decide though if they are going to believe Christ, or if they are going to believe other people and what they say about Christ.
 





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You didn’t answer my question what the heavenly host has to do with Christ living there, I was interested in your reply...
I didn't answer your initial question, because your question was not logical. If the question itself is illogical, then it's not possible to answer it.

You said previously:

“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.”
‭‭John 6:38‬
It’s God who lives in heaven...

And so do the angels. So, what you said to try and prove what you say about Jesus is not logical. Do you see it, please?
Anyway..I’m not catholic and I don’t care about your article about what Jesus thinks about the Vatican. Try sticking with Christianity says.

Jesus-God the Son
This is a catholic statement.
The trinity doctrine is catholicism.
is also half human when He comes to earth which is why He can a.)fulfill the scriptures and be the kinsman redeemer and b.) be perfect and not sin.
The problem with christian/catholic dogma, is that it is not compatible with Scripture.

Jesus referred to himself as "the son of man" many times and Jesus knew the Scripture.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

It is therefore best to abandon christian/catholic doctrine completely and just study the scripture.

For this, the king James 1611 A.V. would be the second best version to study.
 





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