Jeffrey Epstein. Hello?

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‘Underage Girls’ On Epstein’s Plane When Clinton Flew On It, Says Investigative Journalist

Bill Clinton is being completely untruthful about his relationship with Epstein. His spokesperson issue a statement that said, in part,

"In 2002 and 2003, President Clinton took a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane: one to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the work of the Clinton Foundation."

But that's a lie, because pilot logs show that Clinton flew with Epstein at least 27 times, and probably more. Conchita Sarnoff, who wrote a book about Epstein, says,

"Many of those times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many times he did not. Almost every time that Clinton's name is on the pilot logs there are underage girls on that private plane."
 





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This is relevant.

Two female associates of Epstein—the socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein's former assistant Sarah Kellen—have been repeatedly accused in court filings of acting as pimps for him, recruiting and grooming young girls into their network of child sex workers, and frequently participating in sex acts with them. Kellen in particular was believed by detectives in the Palm Beach Police Department, which was the first to start unraveling the operation, to be so deeply involved in the enterprise that they prepared a warrant for her arrest as an accessory to molestation and sex with minors. In the end, she was never arrested or charged, and federal prosecutors granted her immunity in a 2007 non-prosecution agreement that described her as a "potential co-conspirator" in sex trafficking.​
Maxwell, the daughter of the late media mogul Robert Maxwell, has been accused by Roberts of photographing Epstein's victims "in sexually explicit poses and [keeping] the child pornography on her computer," and "engag[ing] in lesbian sex with the underage females she procured for Epstein." She has denied the allegations in the past.​
Clinton shared Epstein's plane with Kellen and Maxwell on at least 11 flights in 2002 and 2003—before any of the allegations against them became public—according to the pilots' logbooks, which have surfaced in civil litigation surrounding Epstein's crimes. In January 2002, for instance, Clinton, his aide Doug Band, and Clinton's Secret Service detail are listed on a flight from Japan to Hong Kong with Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and two women described only as "Janice" and "Jessica." One month later, records show, Clinton hopped a ride from Miami to Westchester on a flight that also included Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and a woman described only as "one female."​
In 2002, as New York has reported, Clinton recruited Epstein to make his plane available for a week-long anti-poverty and anti-AIDS tour of Africa with Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, billionaire creep Ron Burkle, Clinton confidant Gayle Smith (who now serves on Barack Obama's National Security Council), and others. The logs from that trip show that Maxwell, Kellen, and a woman named Chauntae Davis joined the entourage for five days.​
That last name—Chauntae Davies—shows up elsewhere in papers unearthed by the various investigations into Epstein's sex ring: his little black book. Davies is one of 27 women listed in the book under an entry for "Massage- California," one of six lists of massage girls Epstein kept in various locales, with a total of 160 names around the globe, many of them underage victims.​
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Well, it should be no surprise here that this turned partisanship and or back to the blame Trump for everything thread. We have established he says stupid stuff and has bluster in spades, but this is happening under his political watch as has most of the recent investigations into human trafficking have gone forth under his leadership.

If Trump is guilty then we will see, but the main thing here is corrupt politicians are a part of the situation with Epstein. But Epstein is the original monster, but I am waiting for someone to claim Trump was and has been his handler all along. The sheer hatred for Trump allows for very little objectivity in the VC forums for his daily haters live to bash him,. nevermind it gets them nowhere other than close to a paper towel to wipe away the drooling froth of their venom.

It is okay to hope for the truth to come out without embellishing it with personal takes based on total bullshit. If Trump has a trove of kiddie porn I will be one of the first to admonish him. Until then I will wade through the daily bullshit that resembles MSM spins in the forum.
 





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@The Zone You seem way too invested in the whole Trump saga. You probably think I have some obsession with Trump when the reality is you obviously place far more importance on him and waste your time by getting annoyed and reposting the same complaints.

Also I gotta say thanks for the laugh this morning, and please keep them coming. I was bored and almost quit reading your rant, then I actually LOLd and almost spit coffee all over the table when you got all overly dramatic:

The sheer hatred for Trump allows for very little objectivity in the VC forums for his daily haters live to bash him,. nevermind it gets them nowhere other than close to a paper towel to wipe away the drooling froth of their venom.
 





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Trump and Epstein knew each other socially until Trump cut him off from Mar-A-Lago for something he did with an underage girl there. It doesn’t sound like they were buddies.
I think the problem was with the particular underage girl in question -- not underage girls in general. I think Epstein just went after the wrong girl. There are all kinds of weird photos of Trump and Ivanka which suggest a weird relationship between those two. And if we know about the golden showers and paid sex with Playboy playmates -- just imagine what the real secrets on Trump must be. I figure the Israelis must have some good stuff on him if he is pretty much giving Nutty-yahoo everything he ever wanted -- but couldn't get -- from either left leaning or right leaning presidents. Maybe Trump is just an uber Zionist -- but more likely that he is vulnerable to blackmail and since Trump doesn't seem to have much of a sense of shame, it has to be something that he knows even his most ardent supporters couldn't excuse. The only thing I can think of that would fit that bill is p***philia. Although, I'm starting to think that even the most diehard Trump supporters would excuse that in his case which is a terrifying thought.
 





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I get annoyed at people who 1 - think they know it all and think their opinions are truth when it is but their own little reality and nobody elses. 2- the constant bashing of Trump in that they need to deflect some pain or have a single person to rail on about every single posting day of their lives.

Want to spit up some coffee? Well, Faker and that is a good name, claims to be psychic, read people through their words here and tell you of blockages in one's life, all the time hiding behind a keyboard trying to show confidence. Do not come at me with reality with all your bullshit claims of seeing people from afar with low hanging parlor tricks of your self professed powers. By all means, share with others what you are about and not have them take it from me.

Deflect away, say I am obsessed with Trump while having a daily hang up on him. The song remains the same. (Stolen from Zep). I have tried to talk about Epstein and facts, no matter who gets caught.
meh. If you're going to roast me, please try to make it funny.

Please do explain why the facts surrounding Trump are not relevant to this case. If someone else, let's say Bill Clinton, was the person who had been named in court along with Epstein by not just one but two separate young girls in allegations of r*pe at Epstein's NYC parties, I would obviously be posting those court documents instead. Just the facts, ma'am. If you actually want to talk about Epstein maybe you should just plug your ears and hum every time Trump is mentioned. He seems like too much of a distraction for you.
 





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Yeah, Trump says things that sound stupid. What's new?

It was common knowledge that Epstein liked young women, and Trump didn't say anything about himself liking young women. The full quote is this:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

None of that makes Trump a rapist.
No it doesn’t. It does however make him aware of the situation and complicit in not reporting it and actually joking about it.
 





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Alexander Acosta, the US labor secretary under fire for having granted Jeffrey Epstein immunity from federal prosecution in 2008, after the billionaire was investigated for having run a child sex trafficking ring, is proposing 80% funding cuts for the government agency that combats child sex trafficking.

Acosta’s plan to slash funding of a critical federal agency in the fight against the sexual exploitation of children is contained in his financial plans for the Department of Labor for fiscal year 2020. In it, he proposes decimating the resources of a section of his own department known as the International Labor Affairs Bureau (ILAB).

The bureau’s budget would fall from $68m last year to just $18.5m. The proposed reduction is so drastic that experts say it would effectively kill off many federal efforts to curb sex trafficking and put the lives of large numbers of children at risk.

ILAB has the task of countering human trafficking, child labor and forced labor across the US and around the world. Its mission is “to promote a fair global playing field for workers” and it is seen as a crucial leader in efforts to crack down on the sex trafficking of minors.

Katherine Clark, a congresswoman from Massachusetts, said Acosta’s proposed cut was “reckless” and “amoral”. When seen alongside the sweetheart plea deal he granted Epstein in 2008, when Acosta was the US attorney in Miami, she said, it indicated that the labor secretary did not see protecting vulnerable children as a priority.

“This is now a pattern,” Clark told the Guardian. “Like so many in this administration Mr Acosta chooses the powerful and wealthy over the vulnerable and victims of sexual assault and it is time that he finds another line of work.”

Clark grilled Acosta about the proposed cuts in April, when he presented his departmental budget to the House appropriations subcommittee. On that occasion, she said, she found him “rude, dismissive, challenging”.
 





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Thou dost protest too much...

If you don’t like conversations involving trump you are free to skip them
Too easy. Look in the mirror and repeat, Jess. Thou dost protest all the damn time. Oh, and you can skip them too and not give your two cents any old time as well. Perhaps, we can all just do what we want?
 





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Look in the mirror and repeat, Jess. Thou dost protest all the damn time. Oh, and you can skip them too and not give your two cents any old time as well. Perhaps, we can all just do what we want?
I’m interested in them. Why would I skip them? I skip convos on symbolism, kpop, music movies etc because I’m not interested and I think they are pointless/missing the point. If you think critical discussion of our current president is pointless/missing the point you can feel free to opt out instead of bitching every time someone makes a negative comment about trump. If you’d rather go that way... carry on. It just seems trivial.

Do you honestly not expect people to point out trumps connection to these things? Isn’t that a bit unrealistic? If it was sanders (big fan of him) in the same position I’d feel the same way and comment the same way. Because we are supposed to be speaking truth to power and looking at our leaders with open eyes
 





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The bureau’s budget would fall from $68m last year to just $18.5m.
ILAB has the task of countering human trafficking, child labor and forced labor across the US and around the world
If that's the case, maybe other countries/the UN could pick up the balance.

I am all for cutting government budgets. They can do more with less...just like everyone else has to.
 





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If that's the case, maybe other countries/the UN could pick up the balance.

I am all for cutting government budgets. They can do more with less...just like everyone else has to.
The argument here has been that trump is cracking down on p***phile rings. I don’t see how that’s possible by cutting the budget for the department that is responsible for that. And p***phile rings are global by nature... also this really isn’t a good look for Acosta considering
 





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Truth to power? Really? You have the audacity to say I whine when you complain about Trump every single day? It is truly a bit comical and obsessed like IMHO. I discuss many of the things you skip and I am pretty sure this board is geared more towards those subjects via intent.

Anyhow, discuss away or is it actually discussion? I see mini-rants and people pointing to a single man as if he shoots a fireball out of his mane given to him by the Devil. If Trump is in all this, he will get his due. I won't shed a tear, trust me nor am I upset as many of you imply.

I am actually living a pretty diverse and full life getting away from the forums at times. I do hope some wake up one day and focus in on problems we all face and not fall into the bipartisan BS of designed quicksand. If I want to see the MSM talking points, I do have a TV and web access, just sayin'

So, clearing this up -- you can say anything you want to, any time, any place. If my comments bug you, you too can block or avoid them. I can snicker at comments but I cannot stop them. All I have done is try to encourage people to see past Mr. Orange.
Enjoy yourself bro. Knock yourself out. But don’t expect that your complaints are going to stop anyone from discussing the current president of the United States and how and where he interplay’s with all the other things being discussed.

Every day? If I bring trump up in trump related threads every day... there has to be a reason. I’m not bringing him up out of thin air man.
 





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The argument here has been that trump is cracking down on p***phile rings. I don’t see how that’s possible by cutting the budget for the department that is responsible for that. And p***phile rings are global by nature... also this really isn’t a good look for Acosta considering
Sure, it's not a good look for Acosta. Worst case for him, retire on full government package then be a lobbyist. I'm sure he is giving zero fucks.
 





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cracking down on p***phile rings. I don’t see how that’s possible by cutting the budget for the department that is responsible for that.
I'm not sure that it should go to the Dept. of Labor. FBI or DOJ seem more appropriate.