Jeffrey Epstein. Hello?

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Here's something that the Dersh wrote for Penthouse mag around 20 years ago or so.

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Child Pornography Sting

by Alan M. Dershowitz

Ó2002



What are we to make of the fact that child pornography is popular not only among pedophiles, but also among thousands of people who would never dream of molesting a child. The FBI’s most recent sting, provocatively named Candyman, has turned up much more than what these zealous law enforcers bargained for. It turned up many perfectly law abiding people (including “law enforcement professionals”) who apparently get their jollies from watching kids fornicate. Echhhhh!



There is an enormous difference between ordinary people who have disgusting viewing habits and criminals who are willing to act on these habits. Although there may be a far greater connection between habitual viewers of child pornography and child molesters than there is between habitual viewers of adult pornography and rapists, still the former connection has yet to be proved convincingly. The vast majority of people who watch child pornography never act on it, and a considerable number of people who are child molesters do not watch child pornography. Some people, of course, do both; and 27 of those picked up in the sting have admitted to having molested children.



The Justice Department has apparently decided to prioritize its arrest policy by focusing on kiddie porn viewers and chat room participants who hold positions of authority over children or have easy access to them - - school bus drivers, camp counselors, priests, elementary school teachers, and the like. But even that kind of sensible prioritizing may include many who would never touch a child.



Perhaps we cannot take the chance and wait until a child is touched, but we would be sliding a slippery slope if we started to arrest people preventively on the assumption that viewing will inevitably lead to touching. Attorney General John Ashcroft has said that viewing child pornography cannot be considered “a harmless diversion”, because “investigations into child pornography often led to evidence of actual molestation”. But how often? We need far better information than we currently have, and the information should not come from zealous advocates, but rather from scientists who can conduct double blind experiments. The Supreme Court has warned against the abuses of junk science, and assuming a close relationship between viewing and doing is junk science at its worst.



The very viewing of child pornography is, under the Justice Department’s current interpretation of the law, a punishable offense. But should it be so for someone who has never and would never molest a child? Because the Justice Department can arrest and prosecute on the basis of vaguely worded possession and access statutes, zealous prosecutors can pick and choose among the viewers and decide who to prosecute on the basis of unarticulated criteria. This is dangerous to the values of a democracy.



Now we have the story of a sitting judge who has been charged with possession of child pornography. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that he possessed dozens of images of nude boys on his home computer. Federal authorities claim that they also found evidence that he downloaded illegal pornography on his computer in his judge’s chambers, and that he kept an electronic diary in which he describes his desire for young boys. But desire and action are different, and there is no evidence that the judge acted on his desires while serving in his judicial capacity. He has, however, been charged by state authorities with molesting a 12 year old boy 25 years ago. For a while it looked like the voters might have a chance to express their feelings toward a sitting judge with these charges pending against them, but after garnering only 33% of the vote in a primary, he is now dropping out of the race.



It will be interesting to see what the Justice Department does with its extensive list of kiddie porn viewers and chat room participants garnered during its sting operation. Will it publicly disclose the names of those it has decided not to prosecute? Will it threaten disclosure unless those on the list cooperate? Will it conduct further investigations? Will it notify employers? Spouses? Schools? Neighbors?



There is the potential here for a real witchhunt. Child molestation is a serious problem. The creation of child pornography is also a serious problem. We don’t know whether the viewing of child pornography is or is not a serious problem, but many people think it is. Being on a list of people who like kiddie porn smacks of a blacklist. When the government has in its possession this kind of explosive information about so many people, the potential for abuse is simply too great. "
 






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One of the best analysis of this car crash I have seen. Extremely perceptive and also throws some humour in there too.

 






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Now apparently they found the assassin, and he committed suicide. Who had financial ties to Epstein and his financial crimes and money laundering? Well the elite of the world, Clinton, wexner for sure. This is getting hot
 






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Don’t let this be forgotten or buried! The judge assigned to a case related to Epsteins financial ties had her family shot by someone wearing a Federal Express uniform at her front door. Another attorney was found dead in their car, and they say he was the assassin and committed suicide!
 






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Don’t let this be forgotten or buried! The judge assigned to a case related to Epsteins financial ties had her family shot by someone wearing a Federal Express uniform at her front door. Another attorney was found dead in their car, and they say he was the assassin and committed suicide!
Another attorney... sure:rolleyes:

that was a hit 1000% and if I wasn’t confident there’s no mob left in that area (lived and worked there most of my life) I’d assume it was mob. Right down to a convenient patsy. The list of people with motives literally covers every rich and powerful person on earth at this point.
 






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Fast forward to this week when Thomas Bowers, a former Deutsche Bank executive and head of the bank’s US private wealth-management division (i.e., the group catering to ultra wealthy clients), killed himself by hanging in his Malibu residence last Tuesday, November 19th, according to the coroner’s initial report. Bowers was 55.
Wonder how the alleged suicide last year of Thomas Bowers, former private banker of Donald Trump, ties into the case of Judge Salas.
 






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CNN is one of the first to jump on the news that documents are going to be unsealed. Must be disappointing for the q fans that were hoping trump would personally reveal the contents of these documents in a White House press release talking about how his team had accomplished this victory.

instead, the credit goes to a federal judge in the liberal land of New York and the great people at cnn are jumping at the chance to cover it.
 






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CNN is one of the first to jump on the news that documents are going to be unsealed. Must be disappointing for the q fans that were hoping trump would personally reveal the contents of these documents in a White House press release talking about how his team had accomplished this victory.

instead, the credit goes to a federal judge in the liberal land of New York and the great people at cnn are jumping at the chance to cover it.
Well, I as a Trump supporter, am thrilled with this news, which has been covered by pretty much every news network if you Google it. If the end result is not what matters, but one truly wants to play the partisan game though, I suppose one could say the Judge was appointed by George H.W. Bush back in 1992, and on Bush Junior's shortlist of Supreme Court nominees in 2007, but I'm not gonna do that, since that would be just childish, right?
 






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Well, I as a Trump supporter, am thrilled with this news, which has been covered by pretty much every news network if you Google it. If the end result is not what matters, but one truly wants to play the partisan game though, I suppose one could say the Judge was appointed by George H.W. Bush back in 1992, and on Bush Junior's shortlist of Supreme Court nominees in 2007, but I'm not gonna do that, since that would be just childish, right?
bush is a republican and I don’t know why you would, since bush senior is the devil himself and would even make it look even more suspicious.

I don’t think that the best way to respond to a reality like this coming into view that I am very happy to see overall. I have been following this for at least a year now when it was only being covered by a handful of local media outlets.

I’m sorry I triggered you by pointing out the reality that q anon and the praise of trump as the one who is going to champion the cause of victims of abuse is crap because it is.

victims of severe abuse, like the ones relevant to the Epstein case, receive the most stigma, and is one reason this issue is often ignored. If victims of severe abuse like this actually get recognition, I will be glad, and I will still notice when it is revealed that trump is full of hot air about it.

the reality is that the movement to get the public to recognize severe abuse has been petitioned by victims for over 40 years, and if anyone should get credit for something like this coming to light, it should be them.

bush sr. Is actually mentioned as a p***phile who would likely be included in these documents if they are not redacted to death. So making a connection to bush, not only doesn’t demonstrate anything in the way of partisanship, it demonstrates complete ignorance of what a community of victims has been trying to get people to hear for years.

there is no way that your suggestion even makes any sense. Making a connection between trump and the boasting of qanon makes sense.
 






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bush is a republican and I don’t know why you would, since bush senior is the devil himself and would even make it look even more suspicious.

I don’t think that the best way to respond to a reality like this coming into view that I am very happy to see overall. I have been following this for at least a year now when it was only being covered by a handful of local media outlets.

I’m sorry I triggered you by pointing out the reality that q anon and the praise of trump as the one who is going to champion the cause of victims of abuse is crap because it is.

victims of severe abuse, like the ones relevant to the Epstein case, receive the most stigma, and is one reason this issue is often ignored. If victims of severe abuse like this actually get recognition, I will be glad, and I will still notice when it is revealed that trump is full of hot air about it.

the reality is that the movement to get the public to recognize severe abuse has been petitioned by victims for over 40 years, and if anyone should get credit for something like this coming to light, it should be them.

bush sr. Is actually mentioned as a p***phile who would likely be inclosed in these documents if they are not redacted to death. So making a connection to bush, not only doesn’t demonstrate anything in the way of partisanship, it demonstrates complete ignorance of what a community of victims has been trying to get people to hear for years.

there is no way that your suggestion even makes any sense. Making a connection between trump and the boasting of qanon makes sense.
Whatever you say. There's no point in debating you at this point in time. The future will clear your mind.
 






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Another attorney... sure:rolleyes:

that was a hit 1000% and if I wasn’t confident there’s no mob left in that area (lived and worked there most of my life) I’d assume it was mob. Right down to a convenient patsy. The list of people with motives literally covers every rich and powerful person on earth at this point.
You're missing a few letters naming the killers: MOSSAD and KROLL:

Alleged Salas Family Assailant Previously Worked for US/Israeli Intelligence-Linked Firm

"The most likely reason for any such “damage control” effort lies in the fact that both U.S. law enforcement investigations and mainstream media reports have consistently downplayed the connections of Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual trafficking and financial crimes to intelligence agencies in the U.S. and Israel. Similarly, Roy Den Hollander previously worked for a New York firm has been described as a “private CIA” with ties to those countries’ intelligence agencies and, also, ties to Deutsche Bank."

"...It arguably remains one of the key components of the Epstein scandal, yet the most poorly understood and most under-investigated. If anything, the tragic events at the Salas family home on Sunday, and what appears to be a rapid yet shoddy cover-up of the shooter’s ties to Kroll Associates and actual motives, reveal that Epstein’s financial ties are more frightening to certain powerful individuals and institutions than his trove of sexual blackmail."
 






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Odd how the whole thing just went silent and everyone seems to have forgotten about it now
 






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Really good thread on trumps connections to Epstein. In particular, I didn’t know that William Barr’s father got Epstein a job in a school when he had no experience.

Barr and Dershowitz have both been at trumps side during his presidency.

I also missed when trump cut funding for victims of trafficking, but this isn’t too surprising when you consider his connections.


 






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