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I can provide you with two references to the works of Josephus, from JAHTruth.net, that you could perhaps then find useful and research further by looking at outside sources.

First, contained in a document entitled The Master's Plan, the following mention is made:

"Josephus, the Jewish historian, also referred to these sections of Israel as being two separate entities. To quote: "So he (Cyrus) called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said unto them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and to rebuild their city Jerusalem and The Temple of God . . . When Cyrus said this to the Israelites, the rulers of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with the Levites and priests, went in haste to Jerusalem; yet did many of them stay at Babylon, as not willing to leave their possessions" (Josephus: Book 11, Chapter 1, Paras 2 and 3). The Bible books of Ezra and Nehemiah agree that those who returned belonged only to these tribes.

Of the ten tribes, Josephus records the following: "Wherefore, there are but (only) two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the TEN TRIBES are beyond Euphrates till now (A.D. 70 or so) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (Josephus: Book 11, Chapter 5, para. 2).

Much more material could be produced, but let one more testimony suffice. On 26th June, 1950, the following letter was addressed to the Chief Rabbi of Britain:


Dear Sir,

May I ask for replies to the following questions:

1. Do the Jews, as generally known, represent the whole twelve tribes of Israel?

2. Does the State of Israel in Palestine constitute a union of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms as a united Israel?

Yours faithfully, C.H.L.I.


The following reply was received a few days later, being the official opinion of the Chief Rabbi.


Dear Sir,

I refer to your letter of the 26th ult. The Jews of today do not represent the whole of the twelve tribes. What happened to the ten tribes who occupied Northern Palestine in Bible times is not definitely known. Various theories have been propounded. Modern Jewry is considered as being descended from the ancient tribe of Judah, and to a lesser extent, the tribe of Benjamin.

Yours truly,

Signed J. H. Taylor, Sec.


Leaving Bible history, we must turn to the prophets..." - http://jahtruth.net/mastplan


Secondly, the same reference can be found at the end of this short article that is about the Scottish Declaration of Independence:

The Scottish Declaration of Independence.



In Arbroath Abbey, following the removal of the "Stone of Destiny" to Westminster, king Robert "the Bruce" of Scotland was visited by two emissaries of pope John 22 to whom Edward 2 of England had appealed for help to compel Scotland to acknowledge England's lordship. These emissaries bore a message from the pope advising Bruce to submit to Edward's claims, but Bruce and his nobles drafted a letter which they addressed to pope John 22 and which can still be seen in Register House in Edinburgh. It had attached to it coloured ribbons and seals with the signatures of Robert the Bruce and twenty-five of his nobles. The letter which is drafted:- April 6, 1320, read in part:-​


"We know Most Holy Father and Lord (blasphemy - Matthew 23:9), and from the chronicles and books of the ancients gather, that among other illustrious nations, our's, to wit, the nation of the Scots, has been distinguished by many honours; which passing from the greater Scythia through the Mediterranean Sea and Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) and sojourning in Spain (Iberia - Heberia - the Hebrew's land) among most savage tribes through a long course of time, could nowhere be subjugated by any people however barbarous; and coming thence one thousand two hundred years after the outgoing of the People of Israel (the Exodus), they by many victories and infinite toil, acquired for themselves the possessions in the West which they now hold........In their kingdom one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, no stranger intervening, have reigned...." (Deuteronomy 17:14-20).

For so long as a hundred of us are left alive we will yield in no least way to English domination. We fight not for glory, nor for wealth nor honour, but only and alone for freedom, which no man surrenders but with his life." (Praiseworthy - Matthew 10:28)​



This letter thus asserts that the Scots who had the "Stone of Destiny" ("Lia Fail") were connected with the ancient people of Israel (the ten so-called Lost Tribes); whom archaeology has established became the Scythians and the Cimmerians of history, whose origin had been a mystery. Lost to their true identity as foretold in The Scriptures, (Romans 11:25), the Israelites migrated to their appointed place (2 Samuel 7:10); some crossing Europe by land, others by ships through the Mediterranean to the coast-lands of Europe and the Isles in the West. The Scots claim ancestry to the branch of the Cimmerians (Keltoi/Celts) that dwelt in Spain for a period, including at Zarah-gassa "Stronghold/fortress of Zarah", now called Zaragoza, and eventually came over to the Islands of Britain. They also claim that their royal line of kings (from Judah/Zarah of the Red hand - Genesis 38:30) has remained unbroken throughout their migrations.​


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.​


2 Samuel 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.​


Josephus, the historian, writing in A.D. 70, seems to have had knowledge of the migrations of most of the Israelites from Asia toward Europe, for, in his "Antiquities of the Jews" he writes: "...wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now (A.D. 70) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (book 11, chap. 5). - JAH

http://jahtruth.net/scotdec.htm
I can provide you with two references to the works of Josephus, from JAHTruth.net, that you could perhaps then find useful and research further by looking at outside sources.

First, contained in a document entitled The Master's Plan, the following mention is made:

"Josephus, the Jewish historian, also referred to these sections of Israel as being two separate entities. To quote: "So he (Cyrus) called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said unto them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and to rebuild their city Jerusalem and The Temple of God . . . When Cyrus said this to the Israelites, the rulers of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with the Levites and priests, went in haste to Jerusalem; yet did many of them stay at Babylon, as not willing to leave their possessions" (Josephus: Book 11, Chapter 1, Paras 2 and 3). The Bible books of Ezra and Nehemiah agree that those who returned belonged only to these tribes.

Of the ten tribes, Josephus records the following: "Wherefore, there are but (only) two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the TEN TRIBES are beyond Euphrates till now (A.D. 70 or so) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (Josephus: Book 11, Chapter 5, para. 2).

Much more material could be produced, but let one more testimony suffice. On 26th June, 1950, the following letter was addressed to the Chief Rabbi of Britain:


Dear Sir,

May I ask for replies to the following questions:

1. Do the Jews, as generally known, represent the whole twelve tribes of Israel?

2. Does the State of Israel in Palestine constitute a union of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms as a united Israel?

Yours faithfully, C.H.L.I.


The following reply was received a few days later, being the official opinion of the Chief Rabbi.


Dear Sir,

I refer to your letter of the 26th ult. The Jews of today do not represent the whole of the twelve tribes. What happened to the ten tribes who occupied Northern Palestine in Bible times is not definitely known. Various theories have been propounded. Modern Jewry is considered as being descended from the ancient tribe of Judah, and to a lesser extent, the tribe of Benjamin.

Yours truly,

Signed J. H. Taylor, Sec.


Leaving Bible history, we must turn to the prophets..." - http://jahtruth.net/mastplan


Secondly, the same reference can be found at the end of this short article that is about the Scottish Declaration of Independence:

The Scottish Declaration of Independence.



In Arbroath Abbey, following the removal of the "Stone of Destiny" to Westminster, king Robert "the Bruce" of Scotland was visited by two emissaries of pope John 22 to whom Edward 2 of England had appealed for help to compel Scotland to acknowledge England's lordship. These emissaries bore a message from the pope advising Bruce to submit to Edward's claims, but Bruce and his nobles drafted a letter which they addressed to pope John 22 and which can still be seen in Register House in Edinburgh. It had attached to it coloured ribbons and seals with the signatures of Robert the Bruce and twenty-five of his nobles. The letter which is drafted:- April 6, 1320, read in part:-​


"We know Most Holy Father and Lord (blasphemy - Matthew 23:9), and from the chronicles and books of the ancients gather, that among other illustrious nations, our's, to wit, the nation of the Scots, has been distinguished by many honours; which passing from the greater Scythia through the Mediterranean Sea and Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) and sojourning in Spain (Iberia - Heberia - the Hebrew's land) among most savage tribes through a long course of time, could nowhere be subjugated by any people however barbarous; and coming thence one thousand two hundred years after the outgoing of the People of Israel (the Exodus), they by many victories and infinite toil, acquired for themselves the possessions in the West which they now hold........In their kingdom one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, no stranger intervening, have reigned...." (Deuteronomy 17:14-20).

For so long as a hundred of us are left alive we will yield in no least way to English domination. We fight not for glory, nor for wealth nor honour, but only and alone for freedom, which no man surrenders but with his life." (Praiseworthy - Matthew 10:28)​



This letter thus asserts that the Scots who had the "Stone of Destiny" ("Lia Fail") were connected with the ancient people of Israel (the ten so-called Lost Tribes); whom archaeology has established became the Scythians and the Cimmerians of history, whose origin had been a mystery. Lost to their true identity as foretold in The Scriptures, (Romans 11:25), the Israelites migrated to their appointed place (2 Samuel 7:10); some crossing Europe by land, others by ships through the Mediterranean to the coast-lands of Europe and the Isles in the West. The Scots claim ancestry to the branch of the Cimmerians (Keltoi/Celts) that dwelt in Spain for a period, including at Zarah-gassa "Stronghold/fortress of Zarah", now called Zaragoza, and eventually came over to the Islands of Britain. They also claim that their royal line of kings (from Judah/Zarah of the Red hand - Genesis 38:30) has remained unbroken throughout their migrations.​


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.​


2 Samuel 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.​


Josephus, the historian, writing in A.D. 70, seems to have had knowledge of the migrations of most of the Israelites from Asia toward Europe, for, in his "Antiquities of the Jews" he writes: "...wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now (A.D. 70) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (book 11, chap. 5). - JAH

http://jahtruth.net/scotdec.htm
I can provide you with two references to the works of Josephus, from JAHTruth.net, that you could perhaps then find useful and research further by looking at outside sources.

First, contained in a document entitled The Master's Plan, the following mention is made:

"Josephus, the Jewish historian, also referred to these sections of Israel as being two separate entities. To quote: "So he (Cyrus) called for the most eminent Jews that were in Babylon, and said unto them, that he gave them leave to go back to their own country, and to rebuild their city Jerusalem and The Temple of God . . . When Cyrus said this to the Israelites, the rulers of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with the Levites and priests, went in haste to Jerusalem; yet did many of them stay at Babylon, as not willing to leave their possessions" (Josephus: Book 11, Chapter 1, Paras 2 and 3). The Bible books of Ezra and Nehemiah agree that those who returned belonged only to these tribes.

Of the ten tribes, Josephus records the following: "Wherefore, there are but (only) two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the TEN TRIBES are beyond Euphrates till now (A.D. 70 or so) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (Josephus: Book 11, Chapter 5, para. 2).

Much more material could be produced, but let one more testimony suffice. On 26th June, 1950, the following letter was addressed to the Chief Rabbi of Britain:


Dear Sir,

May I ask for replies to the following questions:

1. Do the Jews, as generally known, represent the whole twelve tribes of Israel?

2. Does the State of Israel in Palestine constitute a union of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms as a united Israel?

Yours faithfully, C.H.L.I.


The following reply was received a few days later, being the official opinion of the Chief Rabbi.


Dear Sir,

I refer to your letter of the 26th ult. The Jews of today do not represent the whole of the twelve tribes. What happened to the ten tribes who occupied Northern Palestine in Bible times is not definitely known. Various theories have been propounded. Modern Jewry is considered as being descended from the ancient tribe of Judah, and to a lesser extent, the tribe of Benjamin.

Yours truly,

Signed J. H. Taylor, Sec.


Leaving Bible history, we must turn to the prophets..." - http://jahtruth.net/mastplan


Secondly, the same reference can be found at the end of this short article that is about the Scottish Declaration of Independence:

The Scottish Declaration of Independence.



In Arbroath Abbey, following the removal of the "Stone of Destiny" to Westminster, king Robert "the Bruce" of Scotland was visited by two emissaries of pope John 22 to whom Edward 2 of England had appealed for help to compel Scotland to acknowledge England's lordship. These emissaries bore a message from the pope advising Bruce to submit to Edward's claims, but Bruce and his nobles drafted a letter which they addressed to pope John 22 and which can still be seen in Register House in Edinburgh. It had attached to it coloured ribbons and seals with the signatures of Robert the Bruce and twenty-five of his nobles. The letter which is drafted:- April 6, 1320, read in part:-​


"We know Most Holy Father and Lord (blasphemy - Matthew 23:9), and from the chronicles and books of the ancients gather, that among other illustrious nations, our's, to wit, the nation of the Scots, has been distinguished by many honours; which passing from the greater Scythia through the Mediterranean Sea and Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) and sojourning in Spain (Iberia - Heberia - the Hebrew's land) among most savage tribes through a long course of time, could nowhere be subjugated by any people however barbarous; and coming thence one thousand two hundred years after the outgoing of the People of Israel (the Exodus), they by many victories and infinite toil, acquired for themselves the possessions in the West which they now hold........In their kingdom one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, no stranger intervening, have reigned...." (Deuteronomy 17:14-20).

For so long as a hundred of us are left alive we will yield in no least way to English domination. We fight not for glory, nor for wealth nor honour, but only and alone for freedom, which no man surrenders but with his life." (Praiseworthy - Matthew 10:28)​



This letter thus asserts that the Scots who had the "Stone of Destiny" ("Lia Fail") were connected with the ancient people of Israel (the ten so-called Lost Tribes); whom archaeology has established became the Scythians and the Cimmerians of history, whose origin had been a mystery. Lost to their true identity as foretold in The Scriptures, (Romans 11:25), the Israelites migrated to their appointed place (2 Samuel 7:10); some crossing Europe by land, others by ships through the Mediterranean to the coast-lands of Europe and the Isles in the West. The Scots claim ancestry to the branch of the Cimmerians (Keltoi/Celts) that dwelt in Spain for a period, including at Zarah-gassa "Stronghold/fortress of Zarah", now called Zaragoza, and eventually came over to the Islands of Britain. They also claim that their royal line of kings (from Judah/Zarah of the Red hand - Genesis 38:30) has remained unbroken throughout their migrations.​


Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.​


2 Samuel 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.​


Josephus, the historian, writing in A.D. 70, seems to have had knowledge of the migrations of most of the Israelites from Asia toward Europe, for, in his "Antiquities of the Jews" he writes: "...wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now (A.D. 70) and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (book 11, chap. 5). - JAH

http://jahtruth.net/scotdec.htm
This all looks like a jumble of bible verses fulfilled by Jews in the Old Testament, mixed with mythology and selective British Israelism style viewpoints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora#Post-Roman_period_Jewish_populations

What has the Stone of Destiny got to do with anything prophesied in the bible?! If any country in the United Kingdom was so important in the End Times surely it would have been named directly?!

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Is any country in the United Kingdom called Sion, Israel, Judah (or any other named country the Israelites lived in, Old or New Testament)?

2 Samuel 7:10 is part of a prophecy given the prophet Nathan to King David. 2 Samuel chapter 7.
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/2_samuel/7.htm
.....These promises relate to Solomon, David's immediate successor, and the royal line of Judah. But they also relate to Christ, who is often called David and the Son of David.....

Is Jahtruth Solomon? Is Jahtruth Christ? Is there any mention of Elijah there? Was Elijah a king or a prophet? http://jahtruth.net/mal4.htm
 

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@JoChris, thank you for providing those links. I also have my own hardcopy version, of the 1611 king James A.V.

Yes, we are aware of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

I have even attended one of their services once, on invitation and along with a brother, both out of curiosity and to also see if they would be willing to talk with us. I've had a few discussions with JW's over the years here and there in addition, both in public places as well as when they have come around at various times to the door to present and hand out the JW booklets.

There is also a huge JW compound situated not far from where I spent most of my childhood growing up, and many of the people in it (this is what you hear, in any case - I don't know it for a fact but it seemed like it could be true because you don't see a lot of people coming and going in and out of the front gate and the place is HUGE) never leave there, but are said to be spending most of their time living within the walls there.

We've for instance strived to point out to some of the JW's, that Christ said in Luke, that believers are not supposed to be going from house to house, but they of course have to find ways to reject this since the JW organization tells them to do exactly that (which is again, the opposite of Christ's teachings in the Bible):

Luke
10:5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace [be] to this house.
10:6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
10:7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go NOT from house to house.

After the JW's service had finished, that I mentioned going to above along with a brother (who is also a long time follower of JAH), several of the members of the congregation approached us to talk. It became somewhat apparent to us, that there was a seeming agenda being put into play, probably one which they are taught, of trying to spark conversations with the intent to win over and convert us (curious visitors) to becoming JW's.

Some of the conversations would be started by bringing up interesting points about things the other churches have wrong. And about some of the points, the JW's are in fact actually correct.

However, my brother, being the more naturally gifted speaker, as between the two of us, was bringing up things that they do wrong and proving it to them. So.. it became quite a curious and somewhat eventful evening, as you might envision.

The JW's, obviously who were coming with the intent of proving to us and to convert us to becoming JW's, were finding out that they were not able to provide adequate and satisfactory answers in the debate that had suddenly erupted within their home turf, and they were not able to provide a satisfactory defense to questions that were posed to them.

What we both found odd during the course of the evening (although it was not entirely unexpected) was how people in the room were behaving. People would be standing around talking to each other. You would notice them glancing at us and at one another, and then the next person would come forth to talk to us.

I will say this about the JWs, they remained very cordial and friendly towards us at all times. We also found it refreshing to meet a group of christains who are not only able to recognize the pagan nature of both christmas and easter, but they also shun it.

That is actually why we went to visit with them, in the first place, as it was just remembered now. They came around on one of the previous days, handing out leaflets and telling people that easter and christmas are both pagan festivals, which certainly was enough to pique our interest in them and so, we decided to take up the invitation. They went around telling people that it should be the Passover, not pagan Easter, about which of course, they were completely correct to say so and we were therefore quite impressed by this fact and to see them doing so.
http://jahtruth.net/passnot

Eventually, after they had been "forced" (see "Star Wars - Fact not Fiction") to have to use up all of their reinforcements, and still not being able to win against the Truth, that we were so fortunate to have been able to be share with them, we were then eventually, as conversations came to an end, kindly escorted by a few of the last remaining members to the outside by them and quite astonished ourselves, at how this unexpected evening had proceeded, left the premises and walked back to our lodgings, both giving glory to God (both in our own personal and private thoughts) and thanking our Father in heaven, the God of our Lord Christ the Saviour.

Afterwards, they sent people to where we had been staying, with the intent to retry as a follow up in the coming days, and we welcomed them, but the same thing happened again.

My brother explained to them on this second occasion, about who the "Two Witnesses" of Revelation are, but on this topic we couldn't find any common ground, since what we were saying goes completely against the teaching of the JW organization in a key area.
See :- http://jahtruth.net/horse for what we gave our best attempt to briefly explain to them, about God's Two Witnesses and who they (the Two Witnesses) actually are.

Despite all this, we were still glad to have been able to wholeheartedly agree and find some common ground with the JW's, about christmas and easter being pagan festivals.

After, I believe it was on the 3rd time they came back to visit and talk, they decided it was proving hopeless in trying to convert us to being JWs and we didn't have any visits from them after that occasion.
Well even though you weren't doing it from a Christian perspective it sounds like you did a good job.

I once had JW ladies come to my house, soon after I had returned to Christ.
They put every bible verse out of context, using the WatchTower magazine as their source of information whenever possible.

It was when I showed them the Holy Spirit was a person according to the bible - not a mere force according to the JWs https://www.watchman.org/articles/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-wholly-other-holy-spirit/ - that made the two of them decide to leave.

e.g. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

---
So what do you think you are going to do when Jahtruth fails to fulfill bible prophecy/ dies?
 
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This all looks like a jumble of bible verses fulfilled by Jews in the Old Testament, mixed with mythology and selective British Israelism style viewpoints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora#Post-Roman_period_Jewish_populations

What has the Stone of Destiny got to do with anything prophesied in the bible?! If any country in the United Kingdom was so important in the End Times surely it would have been named directly?!
It has everything to do with it, because the Stone of Destiny is Jacob's Pillar stone from Bethel (that Jacob had used for a pillow there, when he had the vision of the angels ascending and descending from heaven - see book of Genesis) and that the Israelites carried around for 40 years in the wilderness and took with them when crossing the Red Sea because it is the Throne of Israel, that king David and king Solomon, etc. were crowned upon (and all the subsequent Israelite monarchs too, including the Irish, Scottish and English ones of modern history). Futhermore the Stone of Destiny is God's physical Throne on Earth and so, it rightfully belongs to Christ.
http://jahtruth.net/stone

The British Isles are the "isles afar off" mentioned in Jeremiah (and other places in Bible prophecy). So yes, it is named. Answer me this, can you name any other nation in the history of all the earth, that spread to the West, East, North and South (colonising - and that did so in that exact order as was prophecied by God, in Genesis 28:14) and has the word "Great" as part of its name, like "Great" Britain does (as God prophesied to Abraham, in Genesis 12:2)?

Genesis 12:2 And I will make from thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy (seed's) NAME "Great"; and thou shalt be a blessing:

28:14 And thy seed shall be as "the dust of the earth", and thou shalt spread abroad to the West, and to the East, and to the North, and to the South: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before Whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name [Israel] be named on them (let Ephraim and Manasseh be called Israel), and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this [is] the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know [it], my son, I know [it]: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude (Commonwealth) of nations.

There is ONLY one nation in the history of the entire world, that can be seen to have fulfilled and to fit all of those prophecies in Genesis, that told what would happen to the descendants of Jacob/Israel - ie. Isaac's sons [the sons of Isaac - (I)saac's sons - Saxons] and can be seen to have done so in exact and minute detail and that is the British.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Is any country in the United Kingdom called Sion, Israel, Judah (or any other named country the Israelites lived in, Old or New Testament)?
That has been slightly mistranslated and should be:

Romans
11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
11:26 And so all Israel (the holy people) shall be saved (see Daniel 12:7): as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away unGodliness from Jacob (Israel):
11:27 For this [is] My Covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Isaiah
33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain by oppressions, that shaketh his hands from taking of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of bloodshed, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
33:16 He shall dwell on Sion (2 Esd. 13:35): his place of defence [shall be] the Fortress of Rock: bread shall be given him; his waters [shall be] sure.
33:17 Thine eyes shall see The King in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off (Israel).

2 Esdras
13:34. And an innumerable multitude shall be gathered together, as thou sawest them, willing to come, and to overcome him by fighting.
13:35. But he shall stand upon the top of the mount of gathering (Isa 33:16).
13:36 And Sion (Elevated - the New Jerusalem) shall come, and shall be showed to all men, being prepared and builded, like as thou sawest the hill graven without hands. (not built by humans - Rev. 21:2, 10; ch. 7:26).

2 Samuel 7:10 is part of a prophecy given the prophet Nathan to King David. 2 Samuel chapter 7.
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhc/2_samuel/7.htm
.....These promises relate to Solomon, David's immediate successor, and the royal line of Judah. But they also relate to Christ, who is often called David and the Son of David.....
Is Jahtruth Solomon?
No.
Is Jahtruth Christ?
Yes.
Is there any mention of Elijah there? Was Elijah a king or a prophet? http://jahtruth.net/mal4.htm
Yes - Christ/Elijah.
1 kings 18:22 Then said Elijah unto the people, I, [even] I only, remain a Prophet of the "I AM"; but Baal's prophets [are] four hundred and fifty men.

Jesus told everyone. -

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

2 kings
2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped [it] together, and smote the waters, and they were divided here and there, so that they two went over on dry ground.
2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
2:10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: [nevertheless], if thou see me [when I am] taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be [so].
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Jesus said -

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

And we know, that Jesus was not a liar.
 
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Well even though you weren't doing it from a Christian perspective it sounds like you did a good job.

I once had JW ladies come to my house, soon after I had returned to Christ.
They put every bible verse out of context, using the WatchTower magazine as their source of information whenever possible.

It was when I showed them the Holy Spirit was a person according to the bible - not a mere force according to the JWs https://www.watchman.org/articles/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-wholly-other-holy-spirit/ - that made the two of them decide to leave.
The Comforter, Christ's Holy Spirit of Truth -

John
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
e.g. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

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So what do you think you are going to do when
When? You are assuming you know something that you do not know. Someone might ask if, but even that would be foolish since it hasn't happened yet in the entire history of this world and it also wont, because Christ has His Father (God) helping him to fulfill the remaining Bible prophecies, and has been doing so in exact and minute detail. With the unbroken track record that He has, only a fool would believe that the very few remaining bible prophecies will not also be fulfilled, in exact and minute detail, just as Christ Himself prophesied 2000 years ago that He would do, during His Second Coming.

Malachi
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

See the word lest, unless.. so it's not like people are not being given a choice in the matter (of their fate).

And I believe it could even still happen, even now, that the outcome facing mankind could be changed if people would only wake up and see sense, and decide en-masse that they do want to return to upholding The Law and keep The Covenant and except, pledge allegiance to, kneel before and serve and enthrone Christ. But, despite all the efforts that have been made over many years to help people to awaken and see the truth and to return to it, we don't see this happening enough and so, the world continues to move closer and closer towards Armageddon.

Even the climate is showing signs for people to be able to take notice. Some scientists now believe that at the current rate, everybody will likely be dead by 2026, because of the catastrophic climate change feedback-loops that have been triggered (catastrophic methane release from the permafrost and an ice-free arctic, which many now believe to be imminent). JAH warned people decades ago:

Climate Change Helps Cause Armageddon
http://jahtruth.net/signs

Others, like Dane Wigington have also been warning people and trying to get them to wake up to what is going on, like with his latest report called Hacking The Planet:
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/hacking-the-planet.5267/

Christ said in one of His past Radio interviews, that people are between a Rock and a hard place. The Rock being God's Law, and the hard place being the NWO. Because if the NWO don't get you, then The Rock will.

If Trump succeeds in his efforts of draining the swamp, it could really help and then there might even be more extra time given, as absolutely nothing is impossible for God, but humanity was given free-will and unless people return to keeping The Covenant and upholding God's Law and kneel before Christ and start serving Him, it says in Malachi 4 that God said He will come and spite the earth with a curse.

And the curse, is mentioned in Malachi 4 verse 1:

4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
 
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@bible_student - Armageddon is a place where the Antichrist and his armies are defeated before the real Jesus returns to the earth to establish his Kingdom. Those who are born again and are true disciples of Jesus will rule and reign with him during the Millennium. During that time Jesus Himself will rule the nations with a "rod of iron".

As Jesus does not show up physically till the end of Daniels 70th week, you can bet everything you hold dear that Benjamin Creme, JAH, Bagwan or David Icke are not the real thing!

It blows my mind how anyone can reach this point in history, maybe even the eve of the Great Tribulation and not realise their peril.

Please @bible_student - don't fall for a "false Christ", come to the real one while there is still time. I won't keep arguing with you, but I will start praying for you.
 

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Bible student, your entries are getting longer and longer. Please keep to one topic per entry too.

I am not going to debate your British mythology intertwined with anything resembling Christianity. I do not know anything about ancient British history so I am not willing to waste time arguing with you on that topic.

You are consistently cutting and pasting bible verses out of context.
The Apocrypha is not part of the bible (2 Esdras).
The Quran and any Islamic texts are not part of the bible.
Jahtruth's material is anything BUT the bible.

I don't care if Jahtruth can on walk on water or perform miracles or do anything out-of-the-ordinary. He is not Jesus.
1. He has not come down from Heaven.
2. He is not a Jew - the Jews are still waiting for a Messiah.

How anyone like you can fall for someone like Jahtruth proves that intelligence does not equal wisdom.

Read the bible, bible student. Jesus does not just appear to a select few. Stop listening to a wanna-be Jesus.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_second_coming_of_jesus
 
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