It doesn't make sense (the Illuminati)

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I can understand not believing in a single, monolithic organization that works together to control the world. I don't. I see very different organizations, vying for power, working together when it's beneficial.... But also working against each other.

I mean, considering we don't agree on everything about the conspiracy... How the hell does it make sense they are a unified force? Unless they are AI, they'll have just as many disagreements.
 

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How can there be so many people involved in something so dark? How can there be so many people enlisting in an organization such as Masonry where, from the testimonies that are coming out, it must be blatantly obvious to even low-level initiates that something really 'off' and sinister is going on in these lodges?

It doesn't make ANY sense.

Really, please think about what you post here. It does not make sense. Massive geo-engineering operations, complete control of the media etc. Near-total [earthly] power - but, at what cost? How many people have you actually ever met who would be willing to 'sell their soul to the Devil' - not many, right? Did they recruit every single sociopath in the world and enlist them? Just how many people are involved? Where do they find all those people willing to partake in this AND keep them all under control? How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?

It doesn't make ANY sense. Post your take on it. Serious replies, please.
$ unlimited. Usury & financial control.

"(1) Use monetary and sex bribery to obtain control of people already occupying positions in high places in the various levels of ALL governments and other fields of human endeavor. Once an influential person had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail and threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and physical harm and even death to themselves and their loved ones.”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/pawns_inthegame/pawns_00.htm

Drive down your street sometime & look at the houses. They give you a loan where 2/3's is interest. You pay on it most of your life, then you die. Then they sell it to someone else & repeat the process. Think about how much money they make off of just one piece of property in 100 years. That's just housing. They can do pretty much anything they want with those kinds of resources & they pretty much do.

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This is a very interesting thread. My husband's best friend is a Mason and believes the stuff we talk about on here! He did it to keep his enemy closer, literally. He wanted my husband to join, and I talked him out of it. Lower level members might not be as shady, or have to do bad things, but I just had a bad gut feeling. That was before I found this site!
We just had human trafficking bust here in my city, and it's in the good ole Midwest, but was run out of China. I don't think it is one group either. I also don't know how people don't believe it. My sister makes fun of me, but I'm slowly convincing her.
 

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How can there be so many people involved in something so dark? How can there be so many people enlisting in an organization such as Masonry where, from the testimonies that are coming out, it must be blatantly obvious to even low-level initiates that something really 'off' and sinister is going on in these lodges?

It doesn't make ANY sense.

Really, please think about what you post here. It does not make sense. Massive geo-engineering operations, complete control of the media etc. Near-total [earthly] power - but, at what cost? How many people have you actually ever met who would be willing to 'sell their soul to the Devil' - not many, right? Did they recruit every single sociopath in the world and enlist them? Just how many people are involved? Where do they find all those people willing to partake in this AND keep them all under control? How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?

It doesn't make ANY sense. Post your take on it. Serious replies, please.
I think we underestimate the amount of propaganda that has gone into normalizing these issues. For example: Masons, Shriners and etc. have been propped up as benevolent mens societies (some with female auxiliary members as well) through MANY avenues of propaganda, all the way down to Fred & Barney being members of the Fraternal Order of the Water Buffalo (lodge # 26 maybe?). I think most initiates whom never advance into the hierarchy feel these are silly, semi-mystic initiations and dont look into it any further. Since they dont advance in the internal power structure, they are not exposed to the upper-echelon machinations.

However I agree, with the information that is now becoming readily available, that state of blissful ignorance may be coming to an end soon. But for now, the train rolls on.
 

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I think we underestimate the amount of propaganda that has gone into normalizing these issues. For example: Masons, Shriners and etc. have been propped up as benevolent mens societies (some with female auxiliary members as well) through MANY avenues of propaganda, all the way down to Fred & Barney being members of the Fraternal Order of the Water Buffalo (lodge # 26 maybe?). I think most initiates whom never advance into the hierarchy feel these are silly, semi-mystic initiations and dont look into it any further. Since they dont advance in the internal power structure, they are not exposed to the upper-echelon machinations.

However I agree, with the information that is now becoming readily available, that state of blissful ignorance may be coming to an end soon. But for now, the train rolls on.
Edit: Just to be clear, Im not saying there was any intent to push or promote secret society propaganda on the Flintstones. Mainly just stating how entrenched this imagery is.
 

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How can there be so many people involved in something so dark? How can there be so many people enlisting in an organization such as Masonry where, from the testimonies that are coming out, it must be blatantly obvious to even low-level initiates that something really 'off' and sinister is going on in these lodges?

It doesn't make ANY sense.

Really, please think about what you post here. It does not make sense. Massive geo-engineering operations, complete control of the media etc. Near-total [earthly] power - but, at what cost? How many people have you actually ever met who would be willing to 'sell their soul to the Devil' - not many, right? Did they recruit every single sociopath in the world and enlist them? Just how many people are involved? Where do they find all those people willing to partake in this AND keep them all under control? How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?

It doesn't make ANY sense. Post your take on it. Serious replies, please.
It does make sense if you understand that the prime objective of this organisation and It's factions is to infiltrate the very highest echelons of power. This has been their M.O since day one.

Somebody made a comment on another thread that it was Freemasons that "built America". It wasn't, America was built by the sweat and toil of bricklayers...who were employed by Freemasons.

At the very highest levels these people will use ANY means necessary to achieve their goals including bribery, extortion and blackmail. Money is no object so this is easily achievable.

The reason why this systems works so well is because most of It's members have genuine plausible deniability about any wrong doings. As far as they are aware they have joined a benevolent and philanthropic organisation but the higher up the order you go, the more "perks" become available. Before these perks can be enjoyed you have to make a more solid "commirment" to the brotherhood, this would then involve them being involved in slightly more compromising situation s in the way of a ritual or social gathering.

I know It's difficult to picture (And I wouldn't recommend it) but if you can imagine George W Bush lying in a coffin, naked and masturbating whilst recounting previous sexual exploits?

Well before your a bona fide bonesman that's exactly what they have to do. Is it any wonder they take their secrets to the grave?.... or the next plain in their eyes.

Now factor in how they control every aspect of our lives through their subversion of the following industries

Politics

Money

Religion

Media

Entertainment

and It's being going on for hundreds of years then the whole thing doesn't appear as impossible as it seems.
That's my take on it anyway.
 

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It does make sense if you understand that the prime objective of this organisation and It's factions is to infiltrate the very highest echelons of power. This has been their M.O since day one.

I know It's difficult to picture (And I wouldn't recommend it) but if you can imagine George W Bush lying in a coffin, naked and masturbating whilst recounting previous sexual exploits?
This is a microcosm of how the entire system works. Yale is one of the starting points the Shadow Government grooms future politicians. They get dirt on each other so they can't rat each other off. The brotherhood of criminality. Bush ran for President against Kerry. They were both Bonesmen.

I have a friend who ran for Senate. He told me, "No one gets to that level without being compromised. If you get that far, you are already owned." He was friends with someone who was good friends with Kerry. His friend told him that Kerry told him one night he woke up in his motel room to an under age girl giving him oral sex. He knew why. It was time to get a dirt update. That's one of the ways the system works.

In this video, former CIA Robert David Steele says right out that Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad. It was his job to get dirt on politicians.
(About 15 minutes in)
 

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Inotherwords, thats another purpose for callboy and callgirl rings!? Or the people running them.
Just in case money & prestige isn't enough, there's always blackmail.

Former FBI Special Agent In Charge Ted Gunderson fingers 3 US Presidents in p***philia (1:17:00 into video):

"The Child Sex Ring That Reaches The WH"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/Franklin/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

"The Franklin Cover Up" by Sen. John De Camp
ttps://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809

The Story if the CIA's "Finders" Abduction Operation
http://thedailyresistance.com/the-story-of-the-cias-finders-abduction-operation-the-cia-traffics-in-drugs-child-ritual-sexual-abuse-and-global-murder/
 

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Cathy O'Brien, Hillary Clinton and George Bush Sr. "If you have not heard Cathy O'Brien's story about Hillary, than you are missing out, trust me this story should have been a Hollywood blockbuster. This tale has everything, CIA, World banks, Mind control, the sex life of Presidents and a beautiful women under LSD mind control."


"Trance: Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien & Mark Phillips (2005)
https://www.amazon.com/Trance-Formation-America-Cathy-OBrien/dp/B0006QINE8

O'Brien mentions in her book that Bush senior Manuel Noriega was also involved in her abuse. That's how we know that she isn't making this up in her head - her book came out in 1995, the press didn't learn about Bush & Noriega until 2015, twenty years later:

http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/01/sex-tapes-george-bush-noriega-devore.html
http://www.targetliberty.com/2015/01/the-real-reason-george-cia-bush-invaded.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905392/Hollywood-screenwriter-mysteriously-killed-20-years-ago-working-CIA-hands-sent-autopsy-200-years-old.html

NYPD Source: Weiner Laptop Has Enough Evidence “to Put Hillary ... Away for Life”
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/24549-nypd-source-weiner-laptop-has-enough-evidence-to-put-hillary-away-for-life?src=ilaw

All of this is before we even get to #PizzaGate, #PedoGate or whatever you want to call it. If you do a search on PizzaGate, for the most part, the search results will show "fake", "debunked", "conspiracy theory" - who controls the media? Who controls Google? The same people who benefit from keeping this system in place, intacted as it is. And really, who doesn't prefer to avoid the subject? The problem is that if it isn't addressed, the citizens will never gain control over their own government.
 

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The Illuminati . . . so secretive that, virtually, everyone is talking about them and there are countless online forums and chatrooms devoted to their nefarious plans !?
Everybody knows their signs and signals. We know their training and control techniques, their global objectives and the institutions they're using to realise them.

If we know so much about them and their presence has become so ubiquitous, can they (in any way) be described as a 'secret' group, any longer?!

If I was in the upper echelons of the Illuminati structure, I would be very unhappy about this state of affairs. In fact, I would be looking to bail out of the structure and form a society that was less well known and less compromised.

Secret societies and elite power structures are discreet, by their very nature. Their modus operandi consists of the ability to circulate through the corridors of power in the most inconspicuous way possible.
Their real objectives are camouflaged by populism and freedom (for the individual) whilst they conspire to usurp everyones collective rights to accountable government. As they promote alternative gender politics, individual victimhood and sexuality rights, they are busy destroying your wages, money supply and savings.
As they extol the virtues of the marketplace, they are foisting debt servitude upon you and your children. As they ask you to bow to the national flag, they're opening up borders and swamping you with uncontrolled mass immigration, (mostly from countries that they've helped to destabilise, in the first place).

These secret societies and power structures are delighted that we're so successfully distracted by discussions of The Illuminati that they're activities are not even registering on peoples consciousness !?

That, surely, is the ultimate sign of the illuminated !?
 

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These secret societies and power structures are delighted that we're so successfully distracted by discussions of The Illuminati that they're activities are not even registering on peoples consciousness!?
Apparently, they aren't as delighted as you may think. Prior to the internet, they moved for centuries virtually undetected.

"Senate bills No. 773 and 778, introduced by Sen. Jay Rockefeller, who declared last month that the Government would all be better off if the internet was never invented. If the internet was never invented, the corporate media & the Council on Foreign Relations would dominate news and information and alternative media restricted to print would have a far more difficult time counter balancing government propaganda."


CFR Meeting: Zbigniew Brzezinski Fears The Global Awakening

Zbigniew Brzezinski: Humanity’s Global Awakening Still Challenging The New World Order

They want you distracted but not with the understanding of how the system really works. They want you distracted with video games, hollywood trivia, sports, porn, tv dramas, work & anything else that will take you mind off of how badly we have been screwed over. They would like you to leave things in the hands of 'experts' while you go outside & play. And if you have any indication of what is really going on, they would like you to feel powerless to do anything about it.
 

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@SkepticCat

The Illuminati . . . so secretive that, virtually, everyone is talking about them and there are countless online forums and chatrooms devoted to their nefarious plans !?
Everybody knows their signs and signals. We know their training and control techniques, their global objectives and the institutions they're using to realise them.

If we know so much about them and their presence has become so ubiquitous, can they (in any way) be described as a 'secret' group, any longer?!.
I have to contend this point. Do you really feel virtually everybody is talking about this? Or are even aware of it at all? I disagree.

The vast majority of people are too busy on the treadmill of life to even start thinking about stuff this big never mind talking about it. If you've ever tried telling somebody your truth who isn't ready to accept it then their reaction proves this point quite well.

This type of information will only be accepted by people who are looking for answers but in reality the vast majority of people have now stopped even asking questions. I think a good analogy is that people don't like joining the dots because it makes a very horrible picture.

Forums such as this are relatively small in numbers and I would imagine that all have been infiltrated by controlled opposition to do nothing more than cause a diversion and prevent cohesion and action. Most sites such as this are quite benign as far as actually challenging this structure is concerned.

The internet, like everything else is owned and controlled by the same people so sites like this I would imagine would not necessarily be viewed as a potential threat. At least if all like minded awake people congregate together and share their findings on particular websites this would be much more beneficial from a monitoring point of view. Hey if you want to attract ants just drop a sweet/candy on the floor. Now you have all your ants in one place.

I would go as far as to say that some websites have been set up exactly for this purpose. I've been on a few forums and noticed that when any damaging evidence gets posted it is usually washed down the viewing boards quite rapidly by the usual religious/politics Hegelian dialect rubbish or mainstream news stories.

I've pulled over on the road to write this. And to make a point that these lunatics act with impunity every day in plain sight of everybody I'll post the view out of my window
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And do you know what? I've not even heard one person ask the question.... when did aeroplanes first start making clouds?
 
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People like power. People like money. People like sex, drugs, rock and roll. People like to be special.

Not everyone joins the Illiuminati because they want to take over the world, or even because they worship Shaytan. They join because they get offered something they like, artists get fame, people get rich, people get to feel special because they are changing the world (feminism etc).

People even get drawn in because they want power over their own lives, magic offers that promise. Pray to these false gods and you get X thing you want. That´s what it starts with. When people start dabbling in the occult, they start with small selfish wants. Then they get into darker stuff like channeling evil spirits (Muslims call them Jinn) and those can take possession of someone. When they do, the person will want darker and darker things. And with that they will be ready to join the next grade of the illuminati etc.

And that is not counting the people who have been blackmailed or otherwise coerced to join them, like their MK slaves.
 

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They want you distracted but not with the understanding of how the system really works. They want you distracted with video games, hollywood trivia, sports, porn, tv dramas, work & anything else that will take you mind off of how badly we have been screwed over. They would like you to leave things in the hands of 'experts' while you go outside & play. And if you have any indication of what is really going on, they would like you to feel powerless to do anything about it.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
Perfect place for this I think

 

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This is a microcosm of how the entire system works. Yale is one of the starting points the Shadow Government grooms future politicians. They get dirt on each other so they can't rat each other off. The brotherhood of criminality. Bush ran for President against Kerry. They were both Bonesmen.

I have a friend who ran for Senate. He told me, "No one gets to that level without being compromised. If you get that far, you are already owned." He was friends with someone who was good friends with Kerry. His friend told him that Kerry told him one night he woke up in his motel room to an under age girl giving him oral sex. He knew why. It was time to get a dirt update. That's one of the ways the system works.

In this video, former CIA Robert David Steele says right out that Jeffrey Epstein worked for Mossad. It was his job to get dirt on politicians.
(About 15 minutes in)
Do you know I never ever made any connection between Epstein and Mossad but now you've mentioned it it makes perfect sense.

Take your political friends on a trip on the Lolita Express, whether they bought a ticket or not is irrelevant. They now OWN you, just one picture and your career is over.
 
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