It doesn't make sense (the Illuminati)

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How can there be so many people involved in something so dark? How can there be so many people enlisting in an organization such as Masonry where, from the testimonies that are coming out, it must be blatantly obvious to even low-level initiates that something really 'off' and sinister is going on in these lodges?

It doesn't make ANY sense.

Really, please think about what you post here. It does not make sense. Massive geo-engineering operations, complete control of the media etc. Near-total [earthly] power - but, at what cost? How many people have you actually ever met who would be willing to 'sell their soul to the Devil' - not many, right? Did they recruit every single sociopath in the world and enlist them? Just how many people are involved? Where do they find all those people willing to partake in this AND keep them all under control? How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?

It doesn't make ANY sense. Post your take on it. Serious replies, please.
 





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Where do they find all those people willing to partake in this AND keep them all under control?
They probably lure people in with good things/ideas first, and they make you dependent on them, and then they turn on you. Also, since these are wealthy "elite" families, they teach their children their goals so each generation continues in the same path.
 





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How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?
Cause, I don't think it's a vast conspiracy that's fully controlled and perpetrated by a single group... it's made up of a bunch of different things, inter working parts and groups of people with a bunch of different goals and ideas and no one truly knows what's actually going on, no one has the ultimate control.
 





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There are many people who are involved in the new age ideas and humanism that actually think that they are helping to create a better world. But the fact is, they have been decieved by Satan. People have two choices, they can be Christian or Anti-Christian. Satan has convinced most of the people that he does not even exist. Therefore most people are unknowingly following Satan. The elite organizations such as the illuminati and various other organizations claim to follow a Luciferian doctrine especially in the higher levels. There are others who definitely follow Satan and believe that he will empower them with wealth and control over others. I believe that they make contact with Satan through worship and sacrifice and try to establish an empire for the antichrist.
 





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How can there be so many people involved in something so dark? How can there be so many people enlisting in an organization such as Masonry where, from the testimonies that are coming out, it must be blatantly obvious to even low-level initiates that something really 'off' and sinister is going on in these lodges?
A few years ago (3 or 4), the LA Times did a story on a boom that Freemasonry was currently enjoying. My conclusion was that it may have been largely spurred by the truther mov't. Exposing something will always have an opposite effect. You see a little bit of this in comments on VCs articles (mainly the older ones) where some people wanted to join Freemasonry in order to prove that it was a harmless brotherhood despite the fact that the article that they've just read was an exposé.
The other point is, society has broken down and those kinds of groups provide what some people are looking for.

How many people have you actually ever met who would be willing to 'sell their soul to the Devil' - not many, right?
It all begins with one small step. You compromise here and there and eventually devalue your own life. I think its just a handful of people who suddenly go all out Faustian.

"The safest road to hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. - C. S. Lewis -
Did they recruit every single sociopath in the world and enlist them? Just how many people are involved? Where do they find all those people willing to partake in this AND keep them all under control?
Blackmail and mind control. Venues for orgies are always bugged.
How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?
When you control the media, you decide what the public should and shouldn't know.
 





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“And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.” Luke 4:6-7

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” 1 john 5:19
 





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For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, (*scientists as they call themselves "rational") they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:20-32
 





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How have they been able to keep this almost completely a secret for centuries in a world that has featured worldwide instantaneous communication for many decades?

When you control the media, you decide what the public should and shouldn't know.
they tell you that if you do anything not allowed by them, they will kill (not you, that would be too easy for you) but ALL those that you most love and cherish
 





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Because it is like in H.G. Wells book, an "Open Conspiracy". A lot of people know what is going on, if not consciously, then subconsciously. Most just feel powerless to stop it or they care more about just going to their jobs and living their lives.

So far, there were only a handful of people aware enough to warn others, but humans are very much like sheeps who fear believing something different from the pack because they might be rejected. The important secrets don't even need to be kept, they just keep themselves. Because we censor ourselves just out of fear of being ridiculed.

Their plans will fail eventually anyway because their "house is divided against itself". Just like the Sith in Star Wars, they like to fight among themselves just to be Top Dog. They are very much in the reptilian brain mode of survival. The only problem is that they risk destroying everything on this planet while they do this.
 





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There are many people who have been taught throughout their lives that there is no God and that people have evolved from other life forms. Others believe that creation is unscientific and the people who believe in God are unintelligent. Therefore, the illuminati and the other new age groups have led most people into a false belief that mankind can reach a state of higher conscience and be their own god. They teach that you can follow the spiritual forces and achieve wealth and power. Most people have very little knowledge of the Bible and are easily decieved about spiritual matters.
 





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people don't share the same moral philosophy or metaphysical pov.
I used to chat to a hindu guy who told me that as a muslim i am just stupid/naive and don't know shit when it comes to metaphysics and the reality of the spirit world. Of course he was wrong.......but i wanted to know his story. He said that people do black magic on him and he realised the 'good' path doesn't work based on his poor experiences, so he was summoning the darker/powerful entities and making deals with them inc worshipping them, to help him gain revenge. having a panthiestic philosophy, he obviously didnt think of it as 'evil' but more like, a legitimate path.
The way he saw it, these entities are very powerful and represent wrath/punishment...and that's also why he was mocking my pov initially because he was like 'how can you little innocent ignorant muslims know what i deal with/my level etc?'
I broken down the hindu metaphysical map talking about the nature of devaloka and brahmaloka and how they also break down into the passive/active elements (bit of kabballah here). long story short in the end he became a muslim because he understood finally that these entities were just poor imitation/shadow representations of a higher desire of justice.
The main reason he sought their help was because he wanted fast results....but i talked about how our perception of a 'result' is flawed ie if a shadow appears large/small it depends on the strength/position of the light. So if the sun is setting ie in a low position, even small objects appear large. Which is why low quality humans appear to posses more in the world than others.
Deep down he always knew this, but he was too emotionally involved in the story before...

also, there's a guy like 'sa ra' on youtube, a self proclaimed kemetic follower who hates islam/muslims and wants us dead. he is one of those who probably thinks the sun originates from Africa too. He's basically someone who is all about worshipping demonic entities who he thinks of as 'ancestor spirits' who he literally worships.
 





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It really is mind boggling that Satan has managed to deceive most of the people in this world. He leads people to believe that they are entitled to do anything that they want and that there is nothing wrong with living a life filled with greed and lust. The Luciferian creed is "Do whatever you want." The Bible says that there is pleasure in sin for a season, but the end leads to death. People want to live a sinful life and then try to find a belief system that will justify their lifestyle. Whereas, people who follow Christ feel guilt and shame for disobeying God. Others believe that there is no God and that they have a right to do anything they want. So they have the same beliefs as the occultists. That is why there are no grey areas. There is the truth of God and the lies of Satan. However, Satan tries to twist the truth just enough to decieve people and that is why it takes the Spirit of God to be able to discern the truth. In the latter days, the Bible says that people will give heed to the doctrine of devils and the new age beliefs are full of occult and Luciferian concepts. It is getting to the point where all beliefs are accepted in our society except Christianity. There is more hatred of Christianity than any other religion or belief system.
 





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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/62291...-her-palms-and-left-body-by-chilling-message/
I find this strange because it was in s.america yet the writing was in English. Scary reading that though if it's true, it means no one is safe.
There were incidents in the UK back in the 80s and maybe even further back where a lot of kids from low class backgrounds were going missing but it wasn't national news. The story goes that they were sacrificed by Satanists in positions of authority.
 





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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/62291...-her-palms-and-left-body-by-chilling-message/
I find this strange because it was in s.america yet the writing was in English. Scary reading that though if it's true, it means no one is safe.
There were incidents in the UK back in the 80s and maybe even further back where a lot of kids from low class backgrounds were going missing but it wasn't national news. The story goes that they were sacrificed by Satanists in positions of authority.
If you look at the US and see the statistics on how many kids go missing everyday it's pretty scary.
 





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Every second boy is suitable for mind control, and only 2 girls from 10 if i remember correctly, i think i do, too lazy to check. 800 000 kids go missing every year. We can write of few, some will be found, few end up murdered, few eaten by big bad wolf in woods, where is the rest of them about 750 000 ? EVERY year... If we accept harsh reality that most of showbiz members, most pornstars are MK betas, we get some kids back, there are also alfas basic mind control and lives among us, deltas warriors, assasins manchurian candidates, thetas which i think are cult/idealogical leaders and the rest of that sort...Now we covered MK ultra most known mind control method...of the 7 i think, it was while back i did my own research (and i will never ever will do that again) and im not good with numbers so do fact check if you interested...But anyways do we start to grasp the incredible proportions of whats happening in the world? Kids who fail mind control will end up either as sacrifice in rituals or as cattle for breeding more, numbers of that type of people increase not decrease with every generation... But but but how do they keep it secret if a conspiracy is as big as you say...They DON'T we are talking about it here and now, at some point information got leaked, and they countered it perfectly they spread incredible amount of information to the point where it become part of pop culture, it became impossible to understand what is true and what is not, there is nobody in world who never heard of illuminati, monarchs butterflies etc, it's in movies, ads and jokes, scary reality and truth got buried down somewhere deep, and very few still actually understand what is e happening. Google mind control or illuminati and marvel at insane amount of all sorts of ridiculous information about it. Good luck finding truth in there...
Above cover bottom of pyramid, cape of pyramid works other ways, initiation and rituals are blackmail material, people are fuly capable living double lives, fully capable of having scary secrets, fully capable keep their mouth shut if their lives depend on it. Take any paedophilia scandal in world (my own little country had one recently, and people who knew too much were shut down in mafia like manner, and nothing was done about it) it always top tier..politicians, entertainers, stars.. They had blackmail material on them and it was used, and whatever they say after that no one ever will listen to a person like that. We see what is happening and we don't see...sigh...
To be able to believe something you have to have some information about it first, when you know A and B there is a chance you will believe C can be truth, because you already have information, for a casual person you tell C first and you will be mocked...That's how keeping secrets works, everywhere starting from bible ending with people who run this world, you will not understand formulas before you learn simple mathematical actions first...
How do you want your idols served as pawns on chessboard or as controlled marionettes ? They show everything they tell everything symbolism is art of mocking and telling the truth they need to tell the truth and as long as we know it without understanding it we give our energy to them, which is required for their plans.. We must know , believe and do not understand...Annnnnnnd last paragraph is my own theory :) i digress :) Anyways thats my 2 $ and my opinion...
 





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Your opinion looks bang on to me. Very good observations.

I'll name three "pop stars" who are perfect candidates for mind control from documented evidence of having traumatic abusive childhoods.

Martin Gore
(Check Masonic handshake at 1 min 42secs)


Brian Molko


Chester Bennington
(Check out familiar motif on album cover, in plain sight)


I feel this list is just the tip of the iceberg.
 





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I feel this list is just the tip of the iceberg.
It's the numbers that are scary, if we say that MK started with Joseph Mengelle and his experiments ( I personally do not believe that, ancient Egypt symbolism clearly indicates they knew thing or two about it ) we approaching 100 years of mk...even if they do not procreate, (which off course they do and success of MK increases with every generation) we have enough people to cover hollywood and say...isis. I do not claim that is what actually happening :) just food for thoughts...