Israeli newspaper publishes leaked draft of Trump's ‘deal of the century’ for Israeli-Palestinian peace

[Thunderian]

If this is the deal, that last line is a pretty big one.

Israeli newspaper publishes leaked draft of Trump's ‘deal of the century’ for Israeli-Palestinian peace​

dailysabah.com/mideast/2019/05/08/israeli-newspaper-publishes-leaked-draft-of-trumps-deal-of-the-century-for-israeli-palestinian-peace​

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An Israeli newspaper published a document Tuesday detailing the elements of the U.S. back-channel peace plan known as the "Deal of the Century".​

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No American, Israeli or Palestinian authorities have confirmed the leaked document published by Israel Hayom, which is close to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The allegedly leaked document was circulated between officials in Israel's Foreign Ministry, the paper said.​

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The U.S. intends to publish its plan next month.​

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According to the Israeli daily, the plan is made up of the following main points:​

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1. Agreement​

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A tripartite agreement will be signed between Israel, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and Hamas. A Palestinian state called "New Palestine" will be established in Judea, Samaria (in the West Bank) and Gaza, with the exception of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.​

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2. Evacuation of land​

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The settlement blocs in the West Bank will remain under Israeli control and will stretch to reach other isolated settlements.​

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3. Jerusalem​

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Jerusalem will not be divided or shared between Israel and New Palestine and will be the capital of both Israel and New Palestine. The Arab population in Jerusalem will be citizens of New Palestine.​

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The Israeli Jerusalem municipality will be responsible for all areas of the city except for education, which will be dealt with by the new Palestinian government. The new Palestinian Authority will pay taxes and water costs to the Jerusalem municipality.​

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Jews will not be allowed to buy Arab homes, Arabs will not be allowed to buy Jewish homes, no additional areas will be annexed to Jerusalem and the present status of the holy sites will continue.​

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4. Gaza​

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Egypt will lease new land to Palestine to construct an airport and factories and serve the commercial and agriculture sectors without allowing Palestinians to reside on this land. The borders of these lands and leasing price will be determined between the two parties through the mediation of the supporting countries.​

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5. Supporting States​

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The parties that will financially support the implementation of this agreement are the U.S., the European Union and the oil-producing Gulf states.​

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The supporting countries will provide a budget of $30 billion over five years for national projects in the new Palestine.​

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The budget will also include the cost of connecting Jewish settlements and large settlements to Israel.​

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The U.S. will pay 20% of the cost for such projects and the EU 10%, while oil-producing Gulf states will fund 70%, which will be determined by oil revenues of the countries.​

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Most of the financial support burden will fall on the oil-producing countries because they will be the main beneficiaries of this agreement.​

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6. The military​

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The new Palestine will not be allowed to create an army. The only weapons it will be allowed to possess will be light weapons for the police.​

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A protection treaty would be signed between Israel and New Palestine under which it will pay Israel to defend it from foreign aggression.​

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The cost of this payment must be determined in negotiations between the parties which would be mediated by the supporting states.​

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7. Timelines and stages of implementation​

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When signing the agreement:​

• Hamas will deposit all its weapons, including personal arms, with the Egyptian authorities.
  • Hamas members, including leaders, will continue to receive salaries from supporting countries until the government is formed.
  • The border of the Gaza Strip, including the maritime border, will be open to the movement of goods and workers to Israel and Egypt, as the current situation of Judea and Samaria.
  • Within one year, democratic elections will be held and a government of New Palestine will be elected and every Palestinian citizen will be able to run for election.
  • One year after the elections and establishment of the government, Palestinians held in Israeli prisons will be released gradually over the course of three years.
  • Within five years, a seaport and airport will be established in New Palestine, and until then, Palestinians will use airports and seaports in Israel.
  • The border between New Palestine and Israel will be open to the movement of citizens and goods as is the case with friendly countries.
  • A highway connecting the West Bank and Gaza Strip will be established. China will pay 50% of its cost, while South Korea, Australia, Canada, the U.S. and the EU will each pay 10%.

9. The Jordan Valley​

• The Jordan Valley will remain under Israeli control.
  • Road 90 will become a four-lane road.
  • Israel will issue a tender to widen the road.
  • New Palestine will be given two new routes to Jordan with crossings under its control.

10. Responsibility​

• If Hamas and the PLO refuse to sign the 'Deal of the Century', the U.S. will cancel all financial support to the Palestinians and ensure that no country transfers funds to them.
  • If the PLO signed the deal but Hamas or Islamic Jihad refused, the leaders of these two movements will be considered responsible. In a new war between Israel and the Gaza Strip, the U.S. will back Israel in targeting these leaders.
  • If Israel refused to sign the deal, the U.S. would cease all financial support.

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[Damien50]

Why is the U.S. Paying for this at all?

 

[justjess]

Why is the U.S. Paying for this at all?

Question if the century

 

[Thunderian]

It's the US, the EU, and oil producing Arab nations who are footing the bill. The goal is a Palestinian state and peace in the region. I take it both of you are against that, then?

 

[Damien50]

It's the US, the EU, and oil producing Arab nations who are footing the bill. The goal is a Palestinian state and peace in the region. I take it both of you are against that, then?

The United States needs to mind their business, stop funding Israel and take care of their own. Had the British minded their business instead out doling out land like it was their God given this conversation might be very different. While we are at it it would be in the best interest of other countries and the United States for us to remove our international military bases from every country.

We send an absurd amount of money to Israel that did not build this country, that did not endure genocide, slavery, and essentially racist captivity, and stolen land, culture, and heritage by the European colonizers who the 'African American' taught to farm and who the Europeans copied the United States government from. Corporations did not rise and prosper on the backs of Jewish people but aboriginals that, while money doesn't fix everything, are far more entitled to than foreigners that went through aggression by other foreigners and have more protection in this country than the so called African American.

Israel is God's people right? Why does the U.S.feel the need to baby them when the ones that built and established the foundation that allows so many privileges to be had are still treated like second class citizens despite this being their land, sweat, blood, and tears?

Where are the Asian countries and all the non participant countries to foot the bill? I'd assume they don't have anything to gain unlike the EU, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. who love dipping their toes in the cesspool they created called the middle east.

 

[Thunderian]

The United States needs to mind their business, stop funding Israel and take care of their own. Had the British minded their business instead out doling out land like it was their God given this conversation might be very different. While we are at it it would be in the best interest of other countries and the United States for us to remove our international military bases from every country.

We send an absurd amount of money to Israel that did not build this country, that did not endure genocide, slavery, and essentially racist captivity, and stolen land, culture, and heritage by the European colonizers who the 'African American' taught to farm and who the Europeans copied the United States government from. Corporations did not rise and prosper on the backs of Jewish people but aboriginals that, while money doesn't fix everything, are far more entitled to than foreigners that went through aggression by other foreigners and have more protection in this country than the so called African American.

Israel is God's people right? Why does the U.S.feel the need to baby them when the ones that built and established the foundation that allows so many privileges to be had are still treated like second class citizens despite this being their land, sweat, blood, and tears?

Where are the Asian countries and all the non participant countries to foot the bill? I'd assume they don't have anything to gain unlike the EU, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. who love dipping their toes in the cesspool they created called the middle east.

America funds Israel's enemies by at least as much as they do Israel, but I agree with you that they should keep the money for themselves.

But for now, why not spread a little around for peace?

 

[justjess]

It's the US, the EU, and oil producing Arab nations who are footing the bill. The goal is a Palestinian state and peace in the region. I take it both of you are against that, then?

I am against foreign aid period when we can’t even take care of our own people. I am doubly against foreign aid to Israel who can afford to take care of themselves. Additionally this seems like money on top of the foreign aid they already receive. Which is ludicrous when our national debt is staggeringly out of control according to the same people who now want us to fund this.

 

[Thunderian]

What's your stance on immigration and a border wall, Jess?

 

[Damien50]

America funds Israel's enemies by at least as much as they do Israel, but I agree with you that they should keep the money for themselves.

But for now, why not spread a little around for peace?

Peace is a false sense of security and no amount of money is going to settle the problems caused by the British stealing lands

 

[justjess]

America funds Israel's enemies by at least as much as they do Israel, but I agree with you that they should keep the money for themselves.

But for now, why not spread a little around for peace?

That is a total bill of 6billion for the USA which sorely needs that money itself. Our infrastructure is crumbling, we have homeless starving veterans, a student loan crisis holding back our entire economy, people dying because they can’t afford insulin etc etc.. that’s a lot of money to provide for another country what we refuse to provide for our own people

Immigration? I have no problem with them sealing the borders if they also stop messing with those countries governments and affairs. The border wall? I think it’s a waste of money and a vanity project. It won’t actually accomplish what it claims it will and the money spent could be better used for interventions that would actually work. I saw a proposal for a border wall that would be compromised of green energy sources, and tbh as a compromise I’d get behind it but the current state of the proposal not so much - trump seems to want a big wall like his big buildings, for his own ego.

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/energy-water-corridor-the-wall

 

[Damien50]

That is a total bill of 6billion for the USA which sorely needs that money itself. Our infrastructure is crumbling, we have homeless starving veterans, a student loan crisis holding back our entire economy, people dying because they can’t afford insulin etc etc.. that’s a lot of money to provide for another country what we refuse to provide for our own people

Immigration? I have no problem with them sealing the borders if they also stop messing with those countries governments and affairs. The border wall? I think it’s a waste of money and a vanity project. It won’t actually accomplish what it claims it will and the money spent could be better used for interventions that would actually work. I saw a proposal for a border wall that would be compromised of green energy sources, and tbh as a compromise I’d get behind it but the current state of the proposal not so much - trump seems to want a big wall like his big buildings, for his own ego.

https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/energy-water-corridor-the-wall

And that's the other side of it. There is no benefit for the U.S. To have anything to do with Israel or Palestine. It's not about peace or any of those talking points but about control and subversion sprinkled with some Bibi sauce for extra corruption and theft

 

[Thunderian]

That is a total bill of 6billion for the USA which sorely needs that money itself. Our infrastructure is crumbling, we have homeless starving veterans, a student loan crisis holding back our entire economy, people dying because they can’t afford insulin etc etc.. that’s a lot of money to provide for another country what we refuse to provide for our own people

I hate to say it, but Obama is the reason things are falling apart at home, and he's also the reason Israel gets so much aid, since he's the one who signed the last deal with them. But it's not like America just sends Israel a check for $6 billion every year. Most of the money comes back to the US in arms purchases, which I am assuming is good for the economy somehow.

But I feel your pain. I don't like to see money going to other countries when we have things that need fixing at home, and it's worse in Canada, because our leader seems to be a bit of a retard, bless his heart. The peace deal, which is what this thread is about, is a worthy cause, though, don't you think? What if there was a peaceful solution to the war in Palestine? Would you be willing to allow some funding to make that happen?

 

[Thunderian]

There is no benefit for the U.S.

As I said in my post to Jess, most of the money just comes back to buy American products. It's like they send Israel a giant coupon each year, good for a missile defense system, some bullets and shit. I imagine that somewhere, at some point, an American worker is getting a paycheque out of it.

 

[Damien50]

As I said in my post to Jess, most of the money just comes back to buy American products. It's like they send Israel a giant coupon each year, good for a missile defense system, some bullets and shit. I imagine that somewhere, at some point, an American worker is getting a paycheque out of it.

Unless you have some figures or documentation I'm highly skeptical of it benefiting anyone outside of war hawks who own the weapons manufacturing.

 

[Thunderian]

Unless you have some figures or documentation I'm highly skeptical of it benefiting anyone outside of war hawks who own the weapons manufacturing.

Someone has to actually physically make the weapons, and you can bet that person is union, and that they pay taxes. I don't have to tell you that defense contracts are big bucks, but actual jobs for people who need work are a happy byproduct of the corruption and backroom deals.

America spends about $100 billion annually on military aid for it's friends, including costs for staffing and operating US bases in foreign countries. Japan costs American taxpayers $27 billion each year, Germany $21 billion, South Korea $15 billion, and none of that comes back to America like it does from the $6 billion that goes to Israel.

 

[Damien50]

Someone has to actually physically make the weapons, and you can bet that person is union, and that they pay taxes. I don't have to tell you that defense contracts are big bucks, but actual jobs for people who need work are a happy byproduct of the corruption and backroom deals.

America spends about $100 billion annually on military aid for it's friends, including costs for staffing and operating US bases in foreign countries. Japan costs American taxpayers $27 billion each year, Germany $21 billion, South Korea $15 billion, and none of that comes back to America like it does from the $6 billion that goes to Israel.

Got some statistics?

 

[justjess]

The 6 Billion I was referencing is what 20% of this deal will cost us, so that’s in addition to the aid they already get. I’m against foreign aid unilaterally at this point. We are in too bad of shape economically to justify it. Maybe during Clinton when we had a surplus but definately not now. As far as our extensive military bases etc I’m against them too. It seems my countries only priority is military domination even at the expense of its own citizens.

I would love for their to be peace, however it isn’t our responsibility to foot the bill for it.

Furthermore, I don’t believe the Palestinians will agree to that proposal so the plan itself seems to me to be nothing more than a flimsy justification for us to enter another war. It specifically states we will go to war against whoever doesn’t sign it.

 

[Thunderian]

It specifically states we will go to war against whoever doesn’t sign it.

It does?

 

[justjess]

It does?

No it doesn’t. Sorry I read it early yesterday and apparantly my brains a bit jumbled...

But this is the piece that concerned me

If the PLO signed the deal but Hamas or Islamic Jihad refused, the leaders of these two movements will be considered responsible. In a new war between Israel and the Gaza Strip, the U.S. will back Israel in targeting these leaders.

The treaty includes Palestinians giving up all their weapons and waiving their right to have an army. They will never agree to that. So I fear this is just setting us up for a future military intervention that again I want no part of.

When we announced the embassy move to Jerusalem what happened? We had to have had some foresight that was a very real possibility yet we did it anyway... this feels the same to me.

 

[Thunderian]

No it doesn’t. Sorry I read it early yesterday and apparantly my brains a bit jumbled...

But this is the piece that concerned me



The treaty includes Palestinians giving up all their weapons and waiving their right to have an army. They will never agree to that. So I fear this is just setting us up for a future military intervention that again I want no part of.

When we announced the embassy move to Jerusalem what happened? We had to have had some foresight that was a very real possibility yet we did it anyway... this feels the same to me.

I don't think that's the deal anyway. At least, I'd be surprised if that's all it was. I would think something that's being touted as the deal of the century would have more in it for Palestinians.

As for the embassy move, I'm not sure what you think happened as a result, so I can't comment.