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Aazaad

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This happened the last time your internet was shut down. Curious that we don't see the same steady efforts towards the Kashmiris under Indian-enforced internet shutdown.
Perhapse because meddling through internet and social "influencers" and fake MEK and saudi/zionist accounts are not a thing there?
 

justjess

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OK, US troops are in Iraq with Iraqi permission, fighting people who are trying to overthrow the Iraqi government. Soleimani is an Iranian general. If we aren't already at war with Iran, why is an Iranian general in Iraq killing American troops? You are trying to justify Iranian aggression against US troops in Iraq, while decrying US efforts to protect it's own people there. I would love if it every foreign soldier and militant left Iraq today -- including Iranian proxies -- but until that happens, America has a responsibility to protect it's people. If your son was in the Marines in Baghdad right now, you'd be a lot happier this guy is dead, wouldn't you?



I have a nephew in the US who is draft age. Do you think I want him dead? But at the risk of repeating myself, there will be no full on war against Iran. If Trump was going to go to war, he would have already. His focus has been on extricating the US from these conflicts, not increasing American presence in them. Unless Iran does something really, really stupid, neither of us need to worry about an invasion of Iran as long as Trump is in the White House. I am sure of it.



Why would I do that when I'm not in favour of Americans going and fighting in Iran in the first place? I don't want war against Iran any more than you do, but there are ways of achieving peace that involve a bit of violence, and I will support targeted strikes against warmongers as long as they're legitimate targets and there is little or no collateral damage. Remember, Trump recently called off a retaliatory strike against Iran because he was told it would result in the death of 150 Iranian troops. Think about that, when you think about describing him as a warmonger. Does that sound like a man who wants to wildly go to war, and damn the consequences?

America's strike on Soleimani severely damaged Iran's capability to cause more death and more destruction, and I am fully in favour of that. Why aren't you?
We shouldn’t be in Iraq either. If I were the parent of a marine I’d be fighting to bring our troops home period. And fighting even harder to ensure that even more aren’t sent. The Middle East has issues and they need to figure them out themselves, our two decade presence there is not helping anything (quite the opposite) and is entirely not what the military is supposed to be used for. We are not under direct threat. A nationalist (which trump pretends to be) would be pulling out of these costly wars (which he promised to do) not risking escalating them.

You can say that war won’t happen, but you have no way of being sure of that and quite frankly there are just as many opinions saying there will be as saying there won’t be. What everyone agrees to is that Iran is going to respond to this - because they have to. What that response will be and where it will lead are speculation on both sides.

But since it’s MY MONEY and MY CHILDREN and MY COUNTRY at risk here I think I have a right to be concerned and disapprove of this course of action without being a traitor to my country or whatever the hell you keep trying to imply.
 

Aazaad

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Soleimani is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in Syria, Iraq, and throughout the Middle East, not to mention the recent deadly suppression of anti-Iran protesters in Iran and Iraq. Can one of you guys please explain why you’re mourning his death?
You have him mistaken for ISIL. And Al-Qaeda. And Taliban. And Jibha Al-Nusrah. And "Israel". And US Troops throught its short history. And its allies.
 

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If no one cared when Obama droned several thousand people, including US citizens, why all the pearl-clutching now? Soleimani was in a war zone, travelling with the same men who have been aiding in his attacks on US servicemen and civilians. Don’t you wonder what he was doing there?

Soleimani was a murderous thug, responsible for so much misery and death, and openly threatening more violence against US forces. Since when does the White House need special authorization to delete a threat to Americans?
US civilians? In Iraq? You've seen nothing of the misery and death the people of the region have suffered by the US. You will soon.
 

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US civilians? In Iraq? You've seen nothing of the misery and death the people of the region have suffered by the US. You will soon.
Sure bud. Iran can’t protect it’s top general or it’s allies, it’s economy is in shreds, and the people there and in Iran’s “territories” are revolting against the mullahs. What, exactly, do you think they’re going to do? A few cowardly terrorist attacks against soft American targets? How noble. How brave.
 

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Sure bud. Iran can’t protect it’s top general or it’s allies, it’s economy is in shreds, and the people there and in Iran’s “territories” are revolting against the mullahs. What, exactly, do you think they’re going to do? A few cowardly terrorist attacks against soft American targets? How noble. How brave.
Correct! And credible, and not to say, resourceful, as always!
 

Thunderian

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Correct! And credible, and not to say, resourceful, as always!
As resourceful as marching your children across minefields to clear them, which is something (Shia) Iran did during it’s war with (Sunni) Iraq, but I’m positive you don’t know anything about that.
 

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Got it on now, thanks. The thing I notice is how many independent journalists, activists, researchers, analysts, etc. are saying the exact same thing about the US and Israel. @The Zone made this ignorant post that "ohh there's no truth because our sources disagree on facts." That's just wrong. Either you get your information from Zionist/corporate news sites, or on the opposite side you follow INDEPENDENT sources who report from people on the ground and specialists the MSM chooses to ignore.
 

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Trump has promised that if Iran attacks any Americans or American assets, the US will hit up to 52 important Iranian targets “very fast and very hard.”

The United States has the capacity, and now the will, apparently, to hit any target they want to. There is no need for a ground war, and if Iran is foolish enough to try and attack US forces in combat, every Iranian soldier and all their commanders will die. That’s how I read Trump’s message to Iran today. Let’s see if the mullahs read it the same way.
 

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Trump has promised that if Iran attacks any Americans or American assets, the US will hit up to 52 important Iranian targets “very fast and very hard.”

The United States has the capacity, and now the will, apparently, to hit any target they want to. There is no need for a ground war, and if Iran is foolish enough to try and attack US forces in combat, every Iranian soldier and all their commanders will die. That’s how I read Trump’s message to Iran today. Let’s see if the mullahs read it the same way.
Iran said they had 35 targets. I guess it’s up to Iran if they want to keep going or not, Russia and China aren’t saying much.
 

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Lies, the Bethlehem Doctrine, and the Illegal Murder of Soleimani

"In one of the series of blatant lies the USA has told to justify the assassination of Soleimani, Mike Pompeo said that Soleimani was killed because he was planning “Imminent attacks” on US citizens. It is a careful choice of word. Pompeo is specifically referring to the Bethlehem Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Self Defence.

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is that states have a right of “pre-emptive self-defence” against “imminent” attack. That is something most people, and most international law experts and judges, would accept. Including me.

What very few people, and almost no international lawyers, accept is the key to the Bethlehem Doctrine – that here “Imminent” – the word used so carefully by Pompeo – does not need to have its normal meanings of either “soon” or “about to happen”. An attack may be deemed “imminent”, according to the Bethlehem Doctrine, even if you know no details of it or when it might occur. So you may be assassinated by a drone or bomb strike – and the doctrine was specifically developed to justify such strikes – because of “intelligence” you are engaged in a plot, when that intelligence neither says what the plot is nor when it might occur. Or even more tenuous, because there is intelligence you have engaged in a plot before, so it is reasonable to kill you in case you do so again"

I am not inventing the Bethlehem Doctrine. It has been the formal legal justification for drone strikes and targeted assassinations by the Israeli, US and UK governments for a decade. Here it is in academic paper form, published by Bethlehem after he left government service (the form in which it is adopted by the US, UK and Israeli Governments is classified information)...
 

Karlysymon

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Perhapse because meddling through internet and social "influencers" and fake MEK and saudi/zionist accounts are not a thing there?
And that's why this story of Heshmat Alavi, a fake/non-existent (MEK created account) journalist whose work was widely published in most major publications is SO important in a climate like this one.

 

Aazaad

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And that's why this story of Heshmat Alavi, a fake/non-existent (MEK created account) journalist whose work was widely published in most major publications is SO important in a climate like this one.

Exactly. Also, to all American people that may read this, we will retaliate in due time, although there won't be a war, and even IF Iran attacks usa, we won't attack the people.
 

Aazaad

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Trump has promised that if Iran attacks any Americans or American assets, the US will hit up to 52 important Iranian targets “very fast and very hard.”

The United States has the capacity, and now the will, apparently, to hit any target they want to. There is no need for a ground war, and if Iran is foolish enough to try and attack US forces in combat, every Iranian soldier and all their commanders will die. That’s how I read Trump’s message to Iran today. Let’s see if the mullahs read it the same way.
The mullahs, the generals, and the people (not only of Iran), all read it this way82136068_493705597950524_5587950246242830228_n.jpg
The US has sent 16 envoys, begging Iran not to retaliate, starting with the swiss embassy
 
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