Islam as the end times 'beast'/Islam critical thread

[SkepticCat]

conjecture

'conjecture' is indeed what it is.

I feel I've accomplished what I wanted with this thread, which was to make sure an openly Islam-critical thread did and does exist on this forum regardless of how many take offense with it or its contents. My guess is there are few things more abhorrent to God than people violently slaughtering each other over varying religious interpretations the way this happens even to this 21st century day, on a massive scale.

I think the theological beliefs of Muslims are absurd but since this cuts both ways we can simply agree to disagree [and live with the consequences]. Every man to his own mind. We certainly will never agree regardless of how much the Masons attempt to institute 'Chrislam'.

polytheism of Christianity

If Jesus wasn't more than a mortal man and a mere prophet then it is entirely up to Man himself to save his own soul before a faultless, omnicompetent God. I'll leave you with this statement.

 

[mecca]

I feel I've accomplished what I wanted with this thread, which was to make sure an openly Islam-critical thread did and does exist on this forum

Why?
You could have at least tried to use facts to criticize aspects of the religion but instead, it's just a bunch of made up and baseless stuff.

 

[floss]

I believe this verse applied to many muslims today (especially the older generation).

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

-

Christianity doesn't make sense to them due to the strong delusion...really sad to see the end result of islamic faith. It's so simple, Jesus is in heaven and Mohammad is not. Prepare to be judge or come to grace!


Acts 16:30-31King James Version (KJV)
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[DesertRose]

I feel I've accomplished what I wanted with this thread, which was to make sure an openly Islam-critical thread did and does exist on this forum regardless of how many take offense with it or its contents. My guess is there are few things more abhorrent to God than people violently slaughtering

This thread is baloney and proves you know jack zip about Islam. There are nations with troops that kill innocent people and they do not bat an eye. If you traveled outside of your zone you would know the billions who are peaceful and who worship an unseen Creator who is outside of his creation.
It is idiosyncratic to go back and forth with that much ignorance arguing about concepts that Muslims find alien to their religion.You achieved naught:

 

[SkepticCat]

Why?
You could have at least tried to use facts to criticize aspects of the religion but instead, it's just a bunch of made up and baseless stuff.

I think I've done that multiple times but you keep just brushing it off. I've demonstrated with quotes from the Bible and the Quran how they're not compatible, in fact completely contradictory. Do you want me to post the quotes again?

You see, mecca, my agenda here isn't to bash you people, as most seem to believe. But, even on this 'open minded' forum it is just too politically incorrect to criticize Islam. My actual agenda is to present my stance on how Islam and the Quran must necessarily be deception from the enemy. I think it's very strange that the only thing determining whether you go to eternal bliss or eternal torment after this existence is whether you believe God died for your sins or not. It actually doesn't seem very fair to me, at all... but, I'm not God, I don't make the rules. And, I believe the rules are exactly like this. I don't want anyone to go to Hell but I'm afraid many will. And, I don't think there is much time left.

Islam, to me, has warrior code and fertility cult written all over it when you give it a closer look. I think it was created by the Jesuits (or other occultists) to lead people astray.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection

"And [We cursed them] for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander, And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.”

- it's just silly in an adolescent kind of way. It reads the same as the other kinds of occultist mockery we have. And it turns the previous messages from God completely on their heads by arguing all of what was previously received was all wrong, all misunderstood etc.

In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".[4]

the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268)
- http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/sex_superman.html

stuff

You believe you are saved. After this existence, you expect to go on to one of bliss everlasting. mecca above, you believe will be condemned to eternal torment if she does not repent and convert, and that this condemnation divinely ordained by God.

Allow me to ask:

Is it fair?

... and further, if you believe it is this way wouldn't it be a much better idea to try to convert rather than condemn? While we can never understand God's reasoning I think we can [I can] understand that conversion is vastly preferable to condemnation.

This thread is baloney and proves you know jack zip about Islam. There are nations with troops that kill innocent people and they do not bat an eye. If you traveled outside of your zone you would know the billions who are peaceful and who worship an unseen Creator who is outside of his creation.
It is idiosyncratic to go back and forth with that much ignorance arguing about concepts that Muslims find alien to their religion.You achieved naught:

I understand there are billions of peaceful Muslims who do not believe Jesus Christ is God and that he died for their sins.

 

[rainerann]

the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268)
- http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/sex_superman.html

The erection is eternal. Oh my gosh, that is so extremely funny. Just picture someone saying that with a completely straight face like they mean it! That is so funny, I'm crying right now.

"Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)."

I bet every prophet from Moses to Jeremiah was jealous of Muhammad's virility. I guess this was a bonus for being the "final prophet."

Tough job.

Now, after laughing my butt off, I just feel somewhat confused and sad that so many people believe in a religion like this.

 

[DesertRose]

he erection is eternal. Oh my gosh, that is so extremely funny. Just picture someone saying that with a completely straight face like they mean it! That is so funny, I'm crying right now.

Why not cry me a river.
Answering Islam has been debunked and proven wrong.
Guys you are lowly folks.
Frankly you can keep scraping the bottom with your slander and lies.
This defines who you are not who we are.
Desperate times for your fringe doomsday cult.

 

[SpektaCoolAir]

The erection is eternal. Oh my gosh, that is so extremely funny. Just picture someone saying that with a completely straight face like they mean it! That is so funny, I'm crying right now.

"Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)."

I bet every prophet from Moses to Jeremiah was jealous of Muhammad's virility. I guess this was a bonus for being the "final prophet."

Tough job.

Now, after laughing my butt off, I just feel somewhat confused and sad that so many people believe in a religion like this.

oh naughty anny - i know you are giggling your ass off instead of laughing.

your fantasy got the best of you.

i know you wish you would have a taste of that (shout out to fruity floss right here).

all your posts where you mention muhammad (may the peace & blessings of Allah be upon him) are not actual attacks on him - but rather - your way of yearning & craving cause of the things you keep hearing about his incredible manhood (that you couldn't have a share of).

i knew you were a freak-a-leak!

but that comes at no surprise - if you know that christians are following & calling a literal porn book their "holy" book of authority - of which they say it is inspired by God Himself.

foul & perverted to the core - yet they don't even blush.

that's how corrupted you are.

over & over again - knocking yourselves out!



Book of God or Book of Porn?

If only you were to me like a brother,

who was nursed at my mother’s breasts!

Then, if I found you outside,

I would kiss you,

and no one would despise me.

I would lead you

and bring you to my mother’s house—

she who has taught me.

I would give you spiced wine to drink,

the nectar of my pomegranates.

His left arm is under my head

and his right arm embraces me.

~Song of Solomon (8:1-3) (The reader is to judge what wine and pomegranates mean here.)


How beautiful your sandaled feet,

O prince’s daughter!

Your graceful legs are like jewels,

the work of a craftsman’s hands.

Your navel is a rounded goblet

that never lacks blended wine.

Your waist is a mound of wheat

encircled by lilies.

Your breasts are like two fawns,

twins of a gazelle.

~Song of Solomon (7:1-4)


I said, “I will climb the palm tree;

I will take hold of its fruit.”

May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine,

the fragrance of your breath like apples,

~Song of Solomon (7:8)


SEX IN THE FIELD:

I belong to my lover,

and his desire is for me.

Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside,

let us spend the night in the villages (henna bushes).

Let us go early to the vineyards

to see if the vines have budded,

if their blossoms have opened,

and if the pomegranates are in bloom—

there I will give you my love.

~Song of Solomon (7:10-12)


TWO ADULTEROUS SISTERS:

Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed.

~Ezekiel (23:2-3)


She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin breasts and poured out their lust upon her.

~Ezekiel (23:8)


There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals (penises) were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses

~Ezekiel (23:20)



"The most dangerous book (Bible) on earth , Keep it under lock and key."

~George Bernard Shaw

 

[SpektaCoolAir]

speaking of christpornographianity:

we all know theocracy & demo(n)cracy - but who of y'all actually know pornocracy?


Saeculum obscurum (Latin: the Dark Age) is a name given to a period in the history of the Papacy during the first half of the 10th century, beginning with the installation of Pope Sergius III in 904 and lasting for sixty years until the death of Pope John XII in 964. During this period, the Popes were influenced strongly by a powerful and corrupt aristocratic family, the Theophylacti, and their relatives


Periodization
The period was first identified and named by the Italian Cardinal and ecclesiastical historian Caesar Baronius in his Annales Ecclesiastici in the sixteenth century.[1] Baronius' primary source for his history of this period was Liutprand of Cremona. Other scholars have dated the period more broadly or narrowly, and other terms, such as the Pornocracy (German: Pornokratie, from Greek pornokratiā, "prostitute rule") and the Rule of the Harlots (German: Hurenregiment), were coined by Protestant German theologians in the nineteenth century.[citation needed]

Historian Will Durant refers to the period from 867 to 1049 as the "nadir of the papacy."


10th-century popes
Main article: Papal selection before 1059
The Theophylacti family originated from Theophylactus. They held positions of increased importance in the Roman nobility such as Judex, vestararius, gloriosissimus dux, consul and senator, and magister militum.[3]Theophylact's wife Theodora and daughter Marozia held a great influence over the papal selection and religious affairs in Rome through conspiracies, affairs, and marriages.[4]

Marozia became the concubine of Pope Sergius III when she was 15 and later took other lovers and husbands.[5] She ensured that her son John was seated as Pope John XI according to Antapodosis sive Res per Europam gestae (958–62), by Liutprand of Cremona (c. 920–72). Liutprand affirms that Marozia arranged the murder of her former lover Pope John X (who had originally been nominated for office by Theodora) through her then husband Guy of Tuscany possibly to secure the elevation of her current favourite as Pope Leo VI.[6] There is no record substantiating that Pope John X had definitely died before Leo VI was elected since John X was already imprisoned by Marozia and was out of public view.

Theodora and Marozia held great sway over the popes during this time.[citation needed] In particular, as political rulers of Rome they had effective control over the election of new popes. Much that is alleged about the saeculum obscurum comes from the histories of Liutprand, Bishop of Cremona. Liutprand took part in the Assembly of Bishops which deposed Pope John XII and was a political enemy of the Roman aristocracy and its control over papal elections. Lindsay Brook writes:

We must be especially circumspect about the writing of Liutprand of Cremona, perhaps the most polemical of the tenth century chroniclers, who had his own agenda to promote the revived western Roman Empire.

It would be misleading to portray all, or even most, of the popes of the era as worldly and corrupt. Surviving documents (and there are obvious lacunae) make it clear that many were competent administrators, and skilful diplomats in difficult and dangerous times. Some were even reformers, keen to root out discreditable practices such as simony. Others ordered the rebuilding and restoration of Rome's churches and palaces... Rather, it is the manner of the election of many of them and their symbiotic relationship with the Roman aristocracy that has earned their regime the designation pornocracy."


List of Popes during the saeculum obscurum

• Pope Sergius III (904–911), alleged lover of Marozia
• Pope Anastasius III (911–913)
• Pope Lando (913–914)
• Pope John X (914–928), alleged lover of Theodora (the mother), allegedly killed by Marozia
• Pope Leo VI (928–928)
• Pope Stephen VII (928–931)
• Pope John XI (931–935), son of Marozia, alleged son of Pope Sergius III
• Pope Leo VII (936–939)
• Pope Stephen VIII (939–942)
• Pope Marinus II (942–946)
• Pope Agapetus II (946–955)
• Pope John XII (955–963), grandson of Marozia, by her son Alberic II of Spoleto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

 

[SpektaCoolAir]

I've demonstrated with quotes from the Bible and the Quran how they're not compatible, in fact completely contradictory, i. Do you want me to post the quotes again?

of course they are & if you would really read what muslims are & have been telling you all the time - you would have realized that they never claimed anything else but this - because:

muslims believe that the bible is not what The Almighty Creator of the heavens & the earth & what is in between sent down to "jesus"/isa (may the peace of Allah be upon him).

in fact - it's the corrupted version of the true & pure message that he was sent with (which is there is no God worthy of worship but God - The One - The Only - The Irresistible - The Immortal - Who has no partners & Who is uncomparable with His creation & a total seperate being from them)!

whereas the qur'an (as the last & final testament/revelation) is preserved & informs us about the altering & corruption that has been taken place (by men) in the true message (injeel/gospel of "jesus"/isa - may the peace of Allah be upon him).

that's why they are contradicting each other - cause truth & falsehood are not the same.

sidenote: we also believe that some truths are contained in the bible as the truth has been mixed with falsehood & The Almighty made the truth stand out for the people who are looking for it.
but as the truth of God & the words of men are mixed up we don't consider it to be the truth inspired by God (only the things which don't contradict the qur'an & confirm it - that's why the qur'an is also called al furqan (the one that distinguishes between truth & falsehood/separates truth from falsehood).

all the rest which is contradictory is clearly a fabrication.

when The Almighty speaks there is no room for your oppinion/words or my oppinion/words - it's only His words that count & matter.

i know that even after this - you will still make your ignorant claims & act like this was never discussed or made clear to you - but this is not only for you here but for all the people who read through threads without participating (be they members or not).

 

[Vixy]

Skepticcat: Very interesting videos! Have never thought of Islam being the beast religion but this sure puts things in another reflection. Thank you!

 

[hopronolod]

There are a number of sources making the argument that Islam is the 'beast' spoken of in the Bible. Needless to say, a thread such as this is going to cause controversy. My motivation for posting this thread is not to stir up hate but to open debate. I shouldn't even have to point this out (or potentially receive death threats from 'religion of peace' followers) but that is how these threads have gone this far. From the perspective of Christians, it is just as 'insulting' to claim Jesus Christ is not the Son of God... but being triggered by these things is rather childish in the first place? Nobody wishes to worship Satan so let's be reasonable here, put identities aside, and just look at the material?

If you are going biblical, how would you explain the 42 months in Revelation 13:5?
"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months".
The beast, as a "creature" at end of times is mentioned in Koran as well. 27:82.

 

[Haich]

Wow, some of you 'Christians' really are just vile.

No need to spar with you, you do a splendid job of displaying your ignorance and abhorrent attitudes.

God deals with creatures like you justly.

Oh how you wish you'd never uttered the crap you do on the day of judgement when you're exposed for the hypocrites you are.

There's only a few genuine Christians on here which actually have the decency to speak respectfully.

 

[Kung Fu]

I think the theological beliefs of Muslims are absurd but since this cuts both ways we can simply agree to disagree [and live with the consequences]. Every man to his own mind. We certainly will never agree regardless of how much the Masons attempt to institute 'Chrislam'.

Thanks for making me laugh. You have a God that makes a mistake in creation and the only way He can fix that mistake is to send Himself as a man (which has its own logical problems) by sleeping with his creation who also happens to be His mother in order to kill Himself in so that He could pay the ransom to Himself and then claims that the reason He did this was because He loves mankind (and this is leaving out the other 33.3% nonsense which is a ghost lol). It's precisely because of this nonsense that makes me 100% certain that Islam is the truth.

 

[Kung Fu]

I think I've done that multiple times but you keep just brushing it off. I've demonstrated with quotes from the Bible and the Quran how they're not compatible, in fact completely contradictory. Do you want me to post the quotes again?

You see, mecca, my agenda here isn't to bash you people, as most seem to believe. But, even on this 'open minded' forum it is just too politically incorrect to criticize Islam. My actual agenda is to present my stance on how Islam and the Quran must necessarily be deception from the enemy. I think it's very strange that the only thing determining whether you go to eternal bliss or eternal torment after this existence is whether you believe God died for your sins or not. It actually doesn't seem very fair to me, at all... but, I'm not God, I don't make the rules. And, I believe the rules are exactly like this. I don't want anyone to go to Hell but I'm afraid many will. And, I don't think there is much time left.

Islam, to me, has warrior code and fertility cult written all over it when you give it a closer look. I think it was created by the Jesuits (or other occultists) to lead people astray.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection

"And [We cursed them] for their disbelief and their saying against Mary a great slander, And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.”

- it's just silly in an adolescent kind of way. It reads the same as the other kinds of occultist mockery we have. And it turns the previous messages from God completely on their heads by arguing all of what was previously received was all wrong, all misunderstood etc.

In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of Jannah (Paradise). This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".[4]

the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268)
- http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/sex_superman.html



You believe you are saved. After this existence, you expect to go on to one of bliss everlasting. mecca above, you believe will be condemned to eternal torment if she does not repent and convert, and that this condemnation divinely ordained by God.

Allow me to ask:

Is it fair?

... and further, if you believe it is this way wouldn't it be a much better idea to try to convert rather than condemn? While we can never understand God's reasoning I think we can [I can] understand that conversion is vastly preferable to condemnation.



I understand there are billions of peaceful Muslims who do not believe Jesus Christ is God and that he died for their sins.

Look you referenced Wikiislam, a site that literally makes up their own hadith.

Bring actual academic peer reviewed responses or Quranic verses, or the original hadith in Arabic with the chain links to the table and you might have a case. Anyone can make up a hadith in English. The majority of hadiths have only recently been translated to English and that's only a small percentage and many of them on the internet are fake.

 

[Haich]

Hadith is all they ever reference which has been explained at length on so many threads, yet they still don't possess the capability to actually digest and internalise the information provided by the Muslims to address their points.

 

[Kung Fu]

Hadith is all they ever reference which has been explained at length on so many threads, yet they still don't possess the capability to actually digest and internalise the information provided by the Muslims to address their points.

They post hadiths, which oddly enough turn out to be fake, out of context, or translated incorrectly like it's the infallible Word of God and thinking they "got us" lol.

 

[manama]

How to make a controversial thread 101

Take stuff already discussed and debunked in this very forum, put it all together and then act like it has never been talked about before.

 

[manama]

Looking at the calligraphy, it seems to me there are sixes everywhere in the names and words relating to Allah. This also seems strange to me.

just because the arabic letter waow and the symbol called pesh look like six doesn't mean they have to do with satan. Even Satan would be laughing at this analogy.
Thats like math is satanic because it got "6" in it.

 

[manama]

Oh my gawd the bible is just sooooooo satanic cuz it has the word satan and devil in it.