I know the pharisees were troubling God about the sabbath... guess some things never change.
Anyway you need the mark of the beast to buy and sell... so try again.
Is the mark of the beast the coming corona vaccine ?
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Anyway you need the mark of the beast to buy and sell... so try again.
It is so obvious what the mark of the beast is ? Do tell...
What is God’s mark, or symbol, of authority?
“I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them” (Ezekiel 20:12).
“It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth” (Exodus 31:17).
“He received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also” (Romans 4:11).
In these texts, God is saying that He gave us His Sabbath as a sign of His power to create and His power to sanctify (convert and save) us. In the Bible, the words seal, sign, mark, and token are used interchangeably. God’s sign, the Sabbath, represents His holy power to rule as Creator and Savior. Revelation 7:1-3 says it will be written upon the foreheads (minds—Hebrews 10:16) of His people. It will signify that they are owned by Him and have His character. Hebrews 4:4-10 confirms this by saying that when we enter His rest (receive salvation), we should keep His seventh-day Sabbath holy as a symbol, or mark, of salvation. True Sabbath keeping signifies that a person has surrendered his life to Jesus Christ and is willing to follow wherever Jesus leads. Since the symbol, mark, of God’s authority and power is His holy Sabbath day, it seems likely that the symbol, or mark, of God’s challenger—the beast—might also involve a holy day as stated above.
Revelation 13:16 says people will receive the mark of the beast in the forehead or in the hand. What does this mean?
The forehead represents the mind (Hebrews 10:16). A person will be marked in the forehead by a decision to keep Sunday as a holy day. The hand is a symbol of work (Ecclesiastes 9:10). A person will be marked in the hand by working on God’s holy Sabbath or by going along with Sunday laws for practical reasons (job, family, etc.). The sign, or mark, for either God or the beast will be invisible to people. You will, in essence, mark yourself by accepting either God’s mark—the Sabbath—or the beast’s mark—Sunday. Though invisible to men, God will know who has which mark (2 Timothy 2:19).
“I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them” (Ezekiel 20:12).
“It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth” (Exodus 31:17).
“He received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also” (Romans 4:11).
In these texts, God is saying that He gave us His Sabbath as a sign of His power to create and His power to sanctify (convert and save) us. In the Bible, the words seal, sign, mark, and token are used interchangeably. God’s sign, the Sabbath, represents His holy power to rule as Creator and Savior. Revelation 7:1-3 says it will be written upon the foreheads (minds—Hebrews 10:16) of His people. It will signify that they are owned by Him and have His character. Hebrews 4:4-10 confirms this by saying that when we enter His rest (receive salvation), we should keep His seventh-day Sabbath holy as a symbol, or mark, of salvation. True Sabbath keeping signifies that a person has surrendered his life to Jesus Christ and is willing to follow wherever Jesus leads. Since the symbol, mark, of God’s authority and power is His holy Sabbath day, it seems likely that the symbol, or mark, of God’s challenger—the beast—might also involve a holy day as stated above.
Revelation 13:16 says people will receive the mark of the beast in the forehead or in the hand. What does this mean?
The forehead represents the mind (Hebrews 10:16). A person will be marked in the forehead by a decision to keep Sunday as a holy day. The hand is a symbol of work (Ecclesiastes 9:10). A person will be marked in the hand by working on God’s holy Sabbath or by going along with Sunday laws for practical reasons (job, family, etc.). The sign, or mark, for either God or the beast will be invisible to people. You will, in essence, mark yourself by accepting either God’s mark—the Sabbath—or the beast’s mark—Sunday. Though invisible to men, God will know who has which mark (2 Timothy 2:19).
Well the supposed vaccine WILL change your God given DNA making you other than what He created. All of the Gates Patent numbers 060606=666 the coronavirus task force bill Number 6666 ( getting voted on shortly) the luciferase and the push for this ID 2020 (COVID) C=certificate O=of V=vaccination ID= identification 1=A first letter of the alphabet 9=I ninth letter of the alphabet. So it is to basically give a digital identity for AI to recognize and integrate people into the new beast system with the new global biometric wallet just announce by the world economic forum. Pretty much sums it up with out this MARK you will not be able to buy or sell or travel or go anywhere without being able to prove you have been vaccinated against a virus that 99 percent of the people who get it survive and generally are over it in about a week even people over 73 have a 97 percent chance of living through it. The word in Revelations used for (worship) means to GIVE WORTH TO SOMETHING....So if we give Worth to this stupid vaccine which we know will change our GOD give individuality DNA and accept it into our person for a virus that has a 99 percent survival rate so we can buy or sell and we know that scripture said this was coming...Personally i believe the Beast is the United Nations NWO.I believe 20/20 was especially for those with eyes to see. The Lord is calling people to wake up
Do people who worship on Sunday as a holy day have the mark of the beast now?
Absolutely not! No one will have the mark of the beast until Sunday worship becomes an issue forced by law. At that time, those who decide to follow the false teachings of the beast and worship on Sunday—the beast’s counterfeit holy day—will receive his mark. Those who follow Jesus and obey His truth will keep His Sabbath day holy and receive His mark. Those who expect to refuse the beast’s mark in the future must step under Jesus’ Sabbath banner now. His power is available to those who obey Him (Acts 5:32). Without Him, we can do nothing (John 15:5). With Him, all things are possible (Mark 10:27).
Mark of the Beast - Enforcing Rome's Mark
The Church of Rome claims that Sunday is her mark of authority. Moreover, she claims that it is her right to legislate moral issues, and that governments should subscribe to her directives. This is not only a right she claimed for herself during the Middle Ages, but is a right she claims for herself today.
Changing the Ten Commandments
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, sanctioned by Pope John Paul II, has this to say on the issue:
"The Church, the "pillar and bulwark of the truth," "has received this solemn command of Christ from the apostles to announce the saving truth." "To the Church belongs the right always and everywhere to announce moral principles, including those pertaining to the social order." “Moral Life and Magisterium of the Church,” The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
According to Roman Catholicism, moral issues are dictated by the Ten Commandments—but not the Ten Commandments as found in the Bible. Rome’s Ten Commandments are defined by Augustine, the Catholic Church father:
"The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church." “The Decalogue in the Church’s Tradition,” The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What an amazing confession! The Ten Commandments defined by Augustine, rather than defined by Scripture, form the basis for Catholic morality. Since Sunday is also the mark of the Catholic Church’s authority, it follows that this mark is in direct opposition to the declared will of God. Compromise on this issue is not possible. Sunday worship can be defended only on Catholic principles.
Legislating the Mark
One might think that Rome would not pursue the Sunday issue as vigorously in our age. If, however, the enforcing of the mark of the Beast is to become a reality, then this controversy will escalate until legislation is created enforcing the observance of Sunday.
The Roman Catechism, dubbed by Pope John Paul II as, "a work of the first rank as a summary of Christian teaching," Pope John Paul ii, Catechesi Tradendae (October 16, 1979). says that governments are to cooperate with the Roman Church regarding Sunday law:
"Cooperation by the Civil Authorities Regarding This Commandment: The civil authorities should be urged to cooperate with the church in maintaining and strengthening this public worship of God, and to support with their own authority the regulations set down by the Church's pastors.
"In explaining this commandment the pastor should include a discussion on how it is related to the other commandments: how it resembles them and how it differs from them. For it is only in this way that the faithful will understand why it is Sunday and not the Sabbath day that we now keep holy." Robert I. Bradley and Eugene Kevane (trans.), The Roman Catechism (Boston, MA: St. Paul Editions, 1985): 386.
Just prior to the new millennium, Pope John Paul II took several steps towards this cooperation between his Church and the state. The Church has introduced strict obedience laws into its canon requiring total submission to the Pope in matters of doctrine. For example, in his 1998 apostolic letter on Sunday sanctity, Dies Domini, the Pope repeatedly asks for Sunday legislation to enforce its observance.
Just a few days after issuing the directive on the maintenance of Sunday, the Vatican issued its apostolic letter, Ad Tuendam Fidem, making strong statements about submission to the Pope on issues of doctrine.
These apostolic letters say that those who deny the Catholic faith will be branded a heretic, and will be punished. History will repeat itself. Just as refusal to observe Sunday led to economic measures, persecution, and eventually death in the past, the same will happen again.
However, this time the decree will be universal and the whole world will have to choose between allegiance to God or allegiance to Satan.
One writer stated: "When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land; and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin" (Maranatha: 193).
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Absolutely not! No one will have the mark of the beast until Sunday worship becomes an issue forced by law. At that time, those who decide to follow the false teachings of the beast and worship on Sunday—the beast’s counterfeit holy day—will receive his mark. Those who follow Jesus and obey His truth will keep His Sabbath day holy and receive His mark. Those who expect to refuse the beast’s mark in the future must step under Jesus’ Sabbath banner now. His power is available to those who obey Him (Acts 5:32). Without Him, we can do nothing (John 15:5). With Him, all things are possible (Mark 10:27).
Mark of the Beast - Enforcing Rome's Mark
The Church of Rome claims that Sunday is her mark of authority. Moreover, she claims that it is her right to legislate moral issues, and that governments should subscribe to her directives. This is not only a right she claimed for herself during the Middle Ages, but is a right she claims for herself today.
Changing the Ten Commandments
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, sanctioned by Pope John Paul II, has this to say on the issue:
"The Church, the "pillar and bulwark of the truth," "has received this solemn command of Christ from the apostles to announce the saving truth." "To the Church belongs the right always and everywhere to announce moral principles, including those pertaining to the social order." “Moral Life and Magisterium of the Church,” The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
According to Roman Catholicism, moral issues are dictated by the Ten Commandments—but not the Ten Commandments as found in the Bible. Rome’s Ten Commandments are defined by Augustine, the Catholic Church father:
"The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church." “The Decalogue in the Church’s Tradition,” The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What an amazing confession! The Ten Commandments defined by Augustine, rather than defined by Scripture, form the basis for Catholic morality. Since Sunday is also the mark of the Catholic Church’s authority, it follows that this mark is in direct opposition to the declared will of God. Compromise on this issue is not possible. Sunday worship can be defended only on Catholic principles.
Legislating the Mark
One might think that Rome would not pursue the Sunday issue as vigorously in our age. If, however, the enforcing of the mark of the Beast is to become a reality, then this controversy will escalate until legislation is created enforcing the observance of Sunday.
The Roman Catechism, dubbed by Pope John Paul II as, "a work of the first rank as a summary of Christian teaching," Pope John Paul ii, Catechesi Tradendae (October 16, 1979). says that governments are to cooperate with the Roman Church regarding Sunday law:
"Cooperation by the Civil Authorities Regarding This Commandment: The civil authorities should be urged to cooperate with the church in maintaining and strengthening this public worship of God, and to support with their own authority the regulations set down by the Church's pastors.
"In explaining this commandment the pastor should include a discussion on how it is related to the other commandments: how it resembles them and how it differs from them. For it is only in this way that the faithful will understand why it is Sunday and not the Sabbath day that we now keep holy." Robert I. Bradley and Eugene Kevane (trans.), The Roman Catechism (Boston, MA: St. Paul Editions, 1985): 386.
Just prior to the new millennium, Pope John Paul II took several steps towards this cooperation between his Church and the state. The Church has introduced strict obedience laws into its canon requiring total submission to the Pope in matters of doctrine. For example, in his 1998 apostolic letter on Sunday sanctity, Dies Domini, the Pope repeatedly asks for Sunday legislation to enforce its observance.
Just a few days after issuing the directive on the maintenance of Sunday, the Vatican issued its apostolic letter, Ad Tuendam Fidem, making strong statements about submission to the Pope on issues of doctrine.
These apostolic letters say that those who deny the Catholic faith will be branded a heretic, and will be punished. History will repeat itself. Just as refusal to observe Sunday led to economic measures, persecution, and eventually death in the past, the same will happen again.
However, this time the decree will be universal and the whole world will have to choose between allegiance to God or allegiance to Satan.
One writer stated: "When our nation, in its legislative councils, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of men in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the seventh-day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in our land; and national apostasy will be followed by national ruin" (Maranatha: 193).
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If you was a religious jew in Jesus time phipps... i'm sure you would trouble Him about the sabbath.
No doubt that this push for a global gmo vaccine is the only candidate for the mark of the beast in these last days... so how come most resident christians on this forum don't understand that ?
That is a very interesting
thats an interesting study I've seen it before and i do believe that the catholic church will be the global unifying religion that unites the masses to the antichrist luciferian doctrine.. But I firmly believe the MARK will be a physical mark on the right hand or forehead that will cause the person to be able to BUY or SELL... Scripture is clear on that. Anything requiring a Mark to buy or sell needs to be rejected at ALL COSTS
I'm just guessing on this but my guess would be that they dont read their bible... Its obvious if you read it. It blows me away and breaks my heart that so many refuse to even entertain the thought and yet all they would have to do is open their bible and read it
Actually it's absolutely not interesting at all... it's just 7th day adventist spam.
They often quote the bible so i think they read it.
Maybe they read it with prejudices ?
I was trying to be nice
I went down that rabbit hole a long time ago, there are so many teachings that have deceived so many. JESUS is Lord EVEN of the Sabaoth. As he said and like Paul said. Each should be convinced in His own mind whether to observe a day or holiday if you do, Do it to the LORD and if Not for the Lord you don't observe it let each one be convinced in his own conscience. I do believe the catholic church will be the antichrist luciferian global church of the NWO. I Just hoped they would see the ABSOLUTE necessity of the MARK needing to be a physical and that NO MAN COULD( BUY OR SELL) SAVE HE HAS THE MARK OF THE BEAST OR THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME. And not to chance anything that puts your eternal destiny at risk.Yes that could be, lots of different supposed christian religions alter the meaning of the scriptures to their own demise. Scripture talks about that too.
Yes the Catholic church with the papacy as its head is going to bring not only all religions together but all governments because its not only religious but political too. And it will make those governments change laws and one of them will be to enforce Sunday worship. But the mark will not be physical because we know God's mark or seal isn't physical so neither will the beast's. The mark of the beast is not a visible sign of any kind. It involves the substitution of a human commandment for God’s commandment.
The forehead (frontal lobe) is the place where we make decisions and so it will be about who we choose to obey, God or Satan. The hand represents work and the Bible actually tells us in Revelation 13:17, "and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." So it will be hard for those who choose to follow God and His seal to earn a living of any kind but God will protect His people and provide for them.
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Do you think God will condemn a person beyond any hope of salvation for taking the mark if they have no idea of the ramifications of doing so?
No. The Bible tells us that the earth’s people will be warned of the consequences of taking the mark. No one will take it unwillingly.
Revelation 14 (KJV)
| 9 ¶ And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, |
| 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: |
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Eternal damnation with no hope of salvation.
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Did the Holy Spirit teach you this or a leader of a church(Mormon=Prophet) Jehovah Witness (governing Body) catholics =popes cardinals priests etc...All religions have a top leadership( hierarchy) who decide what their members believe. Members are taught to not question whatever their leaders have taught and HAVE to believe WHATEVER those leaders or special ones teach.. Jesus wants to teach you .The Mark of the beast is a MARK and the number of a man the number is 666 Revelations is clear. If you don't receive the Mark you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY OR SELL...Which means if you don't take it you will starve or be killed. My point is. Any Mark making it impossible for you to buy or sell if you don't take it should be avoided at ALL costs. I would hate to find myself in a situation that I took a Mark on my body so I could buy and sell thinking a different scenario was coming down the road and find out I had been taught wrong and had been deceived by the teachings of man.
for sure the ELECT will not receive it. They would never take the chance. And God has warned us of the consequences. its in the book of Revelation. And right know pretty much world wide you can since this hesitancy, This holding our breath so to speak... Everyone knows in their spirit something isnt right.
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It's hard to tell who are the elect of God. My pastor is an obvious born again believer but also believe in vaccines. What's your take on who are the elects of God?
Are you suggesting that I'm just telling you what I've been taught willy nilly without having studied this subject biblically? Well you are wrong. Yes I first found out about this subject in church but then I chose to go see if its the truth of the Bible. We are not supposed to just believe what is taught to us but to go and research the Word of God for ourselves. Of course we've got to ask God for wisdom and knowledge to understand His Word. We are supposed to be like the Bereans who Paul taught but they went back home and searched the Bible to see if what he taught them was the truth (Acts 17:10-12).
Well that is not me. It is used to be when I was young and didn't know better. But for a long time now, I do not just believe whatever I'm told. I have known and studied this subject for more than twenty years.
Jesus does teach me and as long as I let Him, will continue to until He returns.
Actually Revelation is not very clear because of a lot of symbolic language in it. Revelation 13 uses symbolic language, for example the first beast has seven heads and ten horns, is like a leopard, has feet of a bear and has a mouth of a lion. What do those symbols mean or do you think they are real? How can we tell what such symbols mean?
You are being vague here. Let me ask you, who is the man with the number 666? Is this man walking around with this number publicly displayed on him? Revelation 13:18 says, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." So we have to calculate the number of the man. The mark and number are not the same thing biblically. We don't have to calculate the mark, just the number.
No, but I don't just rely on Revelation 13:16-17 to know what the Bible means. As I've said I've known and studied this subject for over twenty years. The Bible tells us to compare scripture with scripture plus the Bible does not contradict itself.
The book of Revelation is a compilation of the whole Bible and uses language from It especially the Old Testament. It is not the first time the words “in the hand” and “in the forehead” or words similar to them are used in the Bible. In Deuteronomy 6:4-8, the Bible says, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes." These verses talk about the Covenant being in the hand and in the forehead/frontlet. And whenever "forehead" or "in the hand" were mentioned, it was always symbolic 100% of the time. So if we’re going to be consistent in interpreting the Bible when we get to Revelation, you can’t now change the rules and say it’s a literal stamp in the forehead or in the hand.
Remember Revelation7:3 also tells us that God’s people will have the Seal of God in their forehead. Do you think that will be literal too? Will God stamp His people with some sort of Mark? 2 Timothy 2:19 says, "Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
The only way the mark of the beast is going to be avoided is by having God's Mark/Seal. It is going to be about worship and obedience to God and His commandments. Revelation 14:12 says, "Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." This is according to the Word of God.
It won't be a mark on the Body and you will be very disappointed because this is not biblical at all. Ultimately all those who will be sealed with God's Mark or Seal will have chosen to be obedient to Him even on pain of death. Just like in the dark ages when many Christians were burnt at the stake, hang, drawn and quartered and killed in many other evil ways because they refused to worship God according to the Catholic Church. Although it will be much worse than what happened in the dark ages according to the Bible.
So let me ask you the same question you asked me at the beginning of your response. "Did the Holy Spirit teach you this or a leader of a church?" Because what you're saying is contradicting the Bible.
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