We do walk by faith and not by sight... though, the proof is in the world we see...Meanwhile down at the local brain launderette....
So in summary, don't believe any.of your senses, they can only perceive temporary things .... okàaaay
You need to just totally believe in this story about things you cannot see..... alriiiiight
The real world is one you are not able to participate at this time..... ugh huhhhhhh
Unless you believe this story you will spend eternal damnation in a pit of fire (with the gnashing of teeth n stuff...ain't that right @Lisa?)
Donate generously....our church needs a new roof.... ohhh yes.
Here endeth my daily nod to the KJV mob.
Your choice...though I think you’re making the wrong choice.affirmative on the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth...you don’t have to go there ya know?
No no Lisa I'm quite looking forward to it now. I've invested in a fire retardant canoe, asbestos paddles...everything.
I agree with you 200%!! There is ZERO proof of ANY “religion” being authentic, yet people who I consider to be weak (followers, not innovate, individualistic “leader” types) blindly follow a “blue print” for their lives, which was created by another human being (at some point in time) to CONTROL them, and the sad thing is that they don’t even see this, or consider the fact that it’s all man-made bullsh*t! I’m so glad I’m not brainwashed by others to live my life like “religious” people do. The only religion I have a real distaste (that’s putting it mildly) for is Islam due to its severe oppression of women, hatred of homosexuals, and that comical con that heterosexual men followers of Islam will be “rewarded” with being able to (r*pe) a bunch of “virgin” women in the “afterlife” or some crap! I find that absolutely astounding that a human being would actually BELIEVE that!!!Now I'm not being flippant when asking this question but I am of exactly the same opinion as this man, this was posted on another well known forum. It certainly made sense to me...
Quoted from skippytjc on Feb 7th 2005.
More humans have died in the name of God, or a god, than any other cause in the history of mankind. Why is this? Isn’t the belief in a supreme power enlightening and wholesome? How could people, who have dedicated their beliefs and ideals to a power that is the definition of love and kindness, kill each other by the millions and millions?
Its simple: Humans aren’t perfect and humans created God. Thus “God” isn’t perfect.
God is a belief created by man to answer questions that cannot be answered. God IS the answer (at least for now). God is a tool people use to feel comfortable with things or events out of their control. Or seemingly out of their control. God is like divine super glue. God sticks all the pieces together that people seem to have trouble doing themselves.
Is this a horrible thing that people have this belief? Not at all. If it works for you then go with it. The problem with God is, the people who believe in him think that everybody else MUST believe in him. And not just believe in him, but believe EXACTLY what you believe. This is such a strong feeling among believers, they actually think that 100% of people who do not share their belief will go to a horrible place called Hell when they die. Its not even good enough that you believe in God, you must believe in their God.
Some people, will even KILL you for not sharing their exact belief. This has caused more deaths than any other single cause in the history of man. “God” is the worlds #1 terrorist recruiter.
Disturbing isn’t it? But its all true. Or so I think anyways. But that’s part of my point. I am “going to hell” because I don’t believe in a God. But am I really? Does a mans actions determine his fate? Or his beliefs?
For example: I am a nice guy. I am kind and polite and I have no criminal record. I dont drink or smoke and I walk old ladies across the street and I say things like “please” and “thank you”. I smile and do what I can to be pleasant. I have a wonderful wife and son. But I don’t “believe” so I am going to hell. Am I getting it right so far?
Now get this: A man of the cloth, or representative of God can r*pe young boys by the dozens. The whole hierarchy above him can cover it up and make it go away but they all believe. But these people, because they believe, will be forgiven and will go to heaven. A man can brutally murder an old women in her home to steal $10 from her. And so long as he finds God before he dies he will be saved. This makes sense?
Do you know why all this is like it is? Its because people are terrified of not knowing answers to big scary questions. People have developed things like religions to help cope with these questions. And people are so scared of these things, they have programmed themselves into a frenzy of believing. Everybody must believe this, as it justifies their own beliefs. To the point of murder in some cases. It gets to the point that everything that they cannot easily explain in their life is “Gods will”. BAH!!!
Gods will, kills.
Do you know in some ancient cultures they had many gods? They had a god for everything that they couldn’t answer. The Greeks, Incans, Egyptians all had many gods. There was even a Sun god. They believed in their gods as heartily as you believe in yours. If an ancient Incan was in front of you debating their belief in the Sun god, they would be as passionate as you are about your god. But any modern believer knows there is no Sun god, that’s just silly right? But is it?
Incans had no explanation for the Sun. The Sun was everything and all important. A very powerful influence in their lives. But they didn’t know why, so it must be a supreme being. It was the only answer, believe it or die!!! But guess what? They were wrong and religions that worshiped the Sun are no more. Because today we all know what the Sun is and we understand how it effects our lives. No more Sun god.
See where I am going with this? Today there is only one god in all the main stream large scale religions. Why? Because all the “silly” stuff has been explained away. But why is there still any belief at all? Two major reasons:
#1 People are scared to believe anything else. People kill people who don’t believe.
#2 There is still 1 huge scary question that has not been answered. The biggest of all.
-What happens to me when I die?
Because there is no proven answer for this question, the biggest, scariest question of all, people still need something to help their psyche’s cope. As long as this is still up in the air, God will always “exist”.
I know I will get flamed for this next remark, but some weaker people even think that God controls things like passion and desire. Hate and love and emotions in general. This is all bunk. They blame crimes on the Devil and their successes on God. God and the devil are just easy solutions to their weak wills and lack of control over their very HUMAN desires.
One day, when our mothers and fathers stop forcing their kids to believe one thing or another based on their own fears, humans will shed themselves of the plague known as religion. It’s a psychological virus that is the scourge of all mankind. Someday it is quite possible that belief in a God will end humans existence. Not by “Gods” hand, but by our own fears of the unknown. People kill people who don’t believe. Period.
How many people reading my dissertation here will “pray” for me? How many people reading this will wish me to hell for my sacrilege? How many will reply with an attempt at “saving” me? How many will plot to kill me as a heathen?
Well everybody, I don’t need saving. I am content in my own beliefs and I sleep well at night believing them. My failures and successes are my own and I am a very nice, good person with many loving friends and relatives. When I die I am dead and that’s Ok. I also don’t have an issue with people believing in religion per say. After all, if something you believe in makes you feel good then wonderful! But please, please don’t try to infect me with your beliefs, as mine are just fine.
Remember: People that don’t believe in God, rarely care about your belief IN God. You don’t see non believers killing people of religion in an attempt to convert you to non belief. Its because we aren’t scared anymore. Wait, scratch that, we ARE scared. Of YOU! As God has killed more people over belief than any other cause of death in history…
Do you draw those conclusions as one who has perhaps once experienced faith, from observations of those who do, or from your own rationalisation of the place of faith within human experience?I think the fundamental principle is that if there is actual proof then faith is not possible.
Faith is a belief based on spiritual conviction as opposed to anything proven.
Even when you think you have proof, you need faith to believe what you see is actually what you think it is.I think the fundamental principle is that if there is actual proof then faith is not possible
Is your disdain for the religion the reason you chose Sickgirl as your name?I agree with you 200%!! There is ZERO proof of ANY “religion” being authentic, yet people who I consider to be weak (followers, not innovate, individualistic “leader” types) blindly follow a “blue print” for their lives, which was created by another human being (at some point in time) to CONTROL them, and the sad thing is that they don’t even see this, or consider the fact that it’s all man-made bullsh*t!
Mark 2 comes to mind...Is your disdain for the religion the reason you chose Sickgirl as your name?
Well, a quick look shows she is an equal opportunist when it comes to bashing religion going after Christianity and Muslims. So, at least she is not turning a blind eye to one over the other unlike some here BTW, the truth in religion comes when an individual buys in and sees it work in their lives. That is the proof some fail to experience. To each their own, I suppose. We are an eclectic bunch here.Mark 2 comes to mind...
16And when the scribes and Pharisees saw Him eating with the tax collectors and sinners, they said to His disciples, “How is it that He eats and drinks with tax collectors and sinners?” 17When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
What is the relevance of this?Do you draw those conclusions as one who has perhaps once experienced faith, from observations of those who do, or from your own rationalisation of the place of faith within human experience?
Sorry but you don't need faith to believe your own eyes...just sanity will suffice.Even when you think you have proof, you need faith to believe what you see is actually what you think it is.
Would it make you less arsey if I started pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy in other faith's?So, at least she is not turning a blind eye to one over the other unlike some here
Firstly, I'd say the British slang arsey is sort of the way you come off. I really find the retort interesting in that you just said you will not call out the ridiculous hypocrisy in other faiths (your exact words) while actually being hypocritical yourself in doing so. Think about that.Would it make you less arsey if I started pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy in other faith's? Well I'm not going to.... being arsey really suits you.
Yet you're vocal about crisis actors and stuff like deep fake. So now you say it's just sanity to believe everything you see?Sorry but you don't need faith to believe your own eyes...just sanity will suffice.
There is nothing bold about defining the word faith. I don't want to go on one of your bewideridering semantic rollercoaster rides. Perhaps you may want to re-educate Google on what faith actually means?OK - you seem to think you have an insight into the nature of faith, and make bold claims about it
The basis is I have faith in my ability to separate right from wrong and good from bad without relying on any imaginary friends.. I was simply wondering what the basis was for those claims?
Look you really do take this "likes" shit far too seriously. Don't let it bother you who likes my posts, it comes across as very childish. Nobody else here comments on who likes my posts, just you. I'm not some sad dopamine junkie who needs his daily fix of likes from VC forum to get through his day.It seems you load both barrels up for Christianity to receive some likes from our Muslim members yet you think their faith is a waste of your time??
I never said believe everything you see. I have created threads to try and demonstrate it's quite foolish to believe everything you see. If you manage to scroll through the hundreds of mainstream news stories that get posted here all the time you may see it.Yet you're vocal about crisis actors and stuff like deep fake. So now you say it's just sanity to believe everything you see?