Is LGBT+ acceptance campaign starting to backfire?

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There are always guidelines about how employe s can use company provided internet services. Most companies limit the expression of personal political or religious views. The company provided internet is typically limited to company related usage. This isn’t really anything shocking.. why didn’t this person just post this stuff on Facebook?
Good question. The articles don't give that information.
Speculating here: maybe he was asked by fellow employees/ employer for his viewpoint on the actual intranet, he gave it and then he was fired. If this happened in the USA, wouldn't there be a good case for unfair dismissal?

Here’s the deal... I agree there is an agenda to sexualize children and even short of that I definately believe how society is set up is sexualizing children even if it’s not intentional (it probably is), however, the knowledge that gay people exist and should be treated equally isn’t what’s doing it.

Have you seen cheerleading practice for little girls? It’s disturbing.[/
Have you looked in the store for shorts for toddler girls that don’t expose the bottoms of their bums? I have, pretty much nonexistent...
Have you listened to the songs schools play at dances/events? I almost complained this school year the music was so inappropriate for the age group..
Have you seen the children’s television shows marketed to older grade school age kids? They introduce dating and crushes way too early and the clothing choices are not ok etc

We have a million things negatively impacting our children in this area (and plenty of others) and instead of looking at it comprehensively most people are choosing this ONE specific thing to latch on to and complain about when it’s probably at the bottom of the barrel of things we should be complaining/worried about, if at all.
I think we are in agreement here.
In Australia the sexualisation of little girls' clothes, obsession with female image (must be successful, popular AND sexually attractive) is way worse than in the 80s when I was a teenager.
It is so bad I have repeatedly said to my boys I am happy that I had sons, not daughters.

The above is what is expected these days and even tolerated by CHRISTIANS these days. The first battleground against alternative sexuality RE woman's role (etc.) to the viewpoint in the bible was lost thanks to extreme feminists' ideologies in the 70s and 80s.

The second battle RE LGBT+ was almost won around same timeslot ... then the AIDS epidemic came along and halted the LGBT+ movement's success somewhat. Slow erosion of the renewed revulsion via constant positive portrayals of homosexuals and negative stereotypes of Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin has made the LGBT+ win the right to gay marriage etc.
Christians who dare to still teach the bible's position are becoming rarer and rarer.
In Australia only very fundamentalist churches will say upfront what they still believe. Even Hillsong is resorting to word-gaming and evasion despite their official position being marriage only between man and woman.

The unthinking support of anyone who believes themselves to be a transsexual/ condemnation of those who are anti-transsexual is the third phase. It makes me shudder to what is going to be supported next.
Knowledge that gay people exist isnt going to make someone gay. Learning that they should be treated equally like everyone else is not going to make them gay.

Would it have made you gay?

Do you remember why or when you started thinking about relationships? About sex? Do you remember what the influences were in your life around that time?
If I had heard in pre-school - middle primary school that my tendency to only like boy games, boy clothes, and occasional wishing I was a boy (because girls' stuff and interests were so boring IMO and boys seemed to have more fun), my constant feeling of being an outsider to girls' friendship group proved I really WAS a boy inside, and so I should embrace my true sexual identity as a boy....

yes I could have become a transsexual thanks to today's constant pro LGBT+ now pro-transsexual movement.

So many young people will miss out on normal relationships and kids of their own that I have thanks to the pressure to everyone to listen to little kids' saying they really feel like a boy/ girl inside.

In coming decades there will be so many people who regret the decision they made way too young purely on personal feelings, not reality and everyone now too scared to state the obvious. . It is tragic. it really is.
 






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Good question. The articles don't give that information.
Speculating here: maybe he was asked by fellow employees/ employer for his viewpoint on the actual intranet, he gave it and then he was fired. If this happened in the USA, wouldn't there be a good case for unfair dismissal?


I think we are in agreement here.
In Australia the sexualisation of little girls' clothes, obsession with female image (must be successful, popular AND sexually attractive) is way worse than in the 80s when I was a teenager.
It is so bad I have repeatedly said to my boys I am happy that I had sons, not daughters.

The above is what is expected these days and even tolerated by CHRISTIANS these days. The first battleground against alternative sexuality RE woman's role (etc.) to the viewpoint in the bible was lost thanks to extreme feminists' ideologies in the 70s and 80s.

The second battle RE LGBT+ was almost won around same timeslot ... then the AIDS epidemic came along and halted the LGBT+ movement's success somewhat. Slow erosion of the renewed revulsion via constant positive portrayals of homosexuals and negative stereotypes of Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin has made the LGBT+ win the right to gay marriage etc.
Christians who dare to still teach the bible's position are becoming rarer and rarer.
In Australia only very fundamentalist churches will say upfront what they still believe. Even Hillsong is resorting to word-gaming and evasion despite their official position being marriage only between man and woman.

The unthinking support of anyone who believes themselves to be a transsexual/ condemnation of those who are anti-transsexual is the third phase. It makes me shudder to what is going to be supported next.

If I had heard in pre-school - middle primary school that my tendency to only like boy games, boy clothes, and occasional wishing I was a boy (because girls' stuff and interests were so boring IMO and boys seemed to have more fun), my constant feeling of being an outsider to girls' friendship group proved I really WAS a boy inside, and so I should embrace my true sexual identity as a boy....

yes I could have become a transsexual thanks to today's constant pro LGBT+ now pro-transsexual movement.

So many young people will miss out on normal relationships and kids of their own that I have thanks to the pressure to everyone to listen to little kids' saying they really feel like a boy/ girl inside.

In coming decades there will be so many people who regret the decision they made way too young purely on personal feelings, not reality and everyone now too scared to state the obvious. . It is tragic. it really is.
If he violated company policy with his intranet use then no he doesn’t have a lawsuit or an unfair dismissal case. Most companies make you sign their internet policy at hire. And depending on what state there are laws that say a company can fire someone for no reason at all if they want.

Private thoughts aren’t for the workplace. It’s unfortunate but it’s not shocking or unfair.

We do agree to a point on the sexualization of children. I think we disagree as to the causes. Feminists and gay people didn’t cause this... an over saturated media/entertainment culture did. When I was a kid... you are talking the late 80’s, early 90’s... tv and movies and music weren’t such a thing, there was no social media or internet. If we watched tv it was because it was raining and it was time limited not all goddamn day, we were PLAYING. MTV existed when I was in high school but it played music, now it shows teen pregnancies as if they are something to emulate.

As technology has proliferated the influence of media has overtaken the influence of family and peers. Advertisers and media companies have been tuned into the massive (previously untapped) market that are children and adolescence. And with less parental supervision those children are being exposed to things above their age range earlier and more frequently.

I should give this a more thorough response and I will later I just don’t have the energy right now.
 






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If he violated company policy with his intranet use then no he doesn’t have a lawsuit or an unfair dismissal case. Most companies make you sign their internet policy at hire. And depending on what state there are laws that say a company can fire someone for no reason at all if they want.

Private thoughts aren’t for the workplace. It’s unfortunate but it’s not shocking or unfair.

We do agree to a point on the sexualization of children. I think we disagree as to the causes. Feminists and gay people didn’t cause this... an over saturated media/entertainment culture did. When I was a kid... you are talking the late 80’s, early 90’s... tv and movies and music weren’t such a thing, there was no social media or internet. If we watched tv it was because it was raining and it was time limited not all goddamn day, we were PLAYING. MTV existed when I was in high school but it played music, now it shows teen pregnancies as if they are something to emulate.

As technology has proliferated the influence of media has overtaken the influence of family and peers. Advertisers and media companies have been tuned into the massive (previously untapped) market that are children and adolescence. And with less parental supervision those children are being exposed to things above their age range earlier and more frequently.

I should give this a more thorough response and I will later I just don’t have the energy right now.
The feminist ideology was through the education system well before it got through to the media.
Extreme feminists published their material before music videos/ TV shows were created.

This was written in 1968. https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/3946-remembering-1968-the-scum-manifesto-for-the-society-for-cutting-up-men
 






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They aren’t teaching feminism in schools now, they certainly weren’t when I was a kid and they definately weren’t when that was written.

The most kids are exposed to feminism is the suffrage movement in high school history class. Maybe some current events. Maybe some mention of women’s fight to achieve rights in accordance with an english class or history class but there is no public school atleast in the United States teaching anything about feminism past the basics.

I’m also failing to see how a radical psychotic feminist who hates men from 1968 can be seen as the cause of specialized children in 2019.
 






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Extreme violence against innocent women does not justify thought censorship overall. Two wrongs don't make a right.

P.S. Calling names like bigot has lost its impact. Find another strategy.
There is no thought censorship. Your book doesn’t control society anymore. Your rhetoric leads to this. Don’t act like you care because if you people had your way you would have stoned them, don’t be a bigot and you won’t be called one.
 






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They aren’t teaching feminism in schools now, they certainly weren’t when I was a kid and they definately weren’t when that was written.

The most kids are exposed to feminism is the suffrage movement in high school history class. Maybe some current events. Maybe some mention of women’s fight to achieve rights in accordance with an english class or history class but there is no public school atleast in the United States teaching anything about feminism past the basics.
They most certainly are right now. It was in English, social studies and life-skills subjects.
My son (who graduated last year) repeatedly came home whingeing about how boys weren't allowed to give their opinion and corrected for giving the male perspective on social issues, how all the books/ curriculum were focused on girl power, encouraging girls into science/ maths etc.
Anything that he and his friends brought up that wasn't pro-feminist was labelled as women-hating and mysogynistic. The subject itself wasn't discussed. Names were used to silence the boys instead.

I had quite a few talks with him about those frustrations. Some defending women's rights, some defending equal rights for both men and women. Thankfully I managed to soften his viewpoints on quite a few topics.

I’m also failing to see how a radical psychotic feminist who hates men from 1968 can be seen as the cause of specialized children in 2019.
Feminists got the ball rolling. Men were silenced via guilt trips and name-calling.
Then homosexuals got the feminists' script and modified it to suit their agenda.
Then abuse survivors' were finally given a voice but hijacked by every every other minority group who claimed they were abused in some way or another.
Now people with every type of sexual identity issue have managed to guilt trip people into denying reality e.g. psychologists pretending that transsexuality is not a mental disorder.
 






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There is no thought censorship. Your book doesn’t control society anymore. Your rhetoric leads to this. Don’t act like you care because if you people had your way you would have stoned them, don’t be a bigot and you won’t be called one.
If refusing to deny reality because of its political incorrectness makes me a bigot, then I will happily be called a bigot. :)

Homosexuals hijacked and redefined the word gay, we should do the same with the word bigot, homophobe etc.
 






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They most certainly are right now. It was in English, social studies and life-skills subjects.
My son (who graduated last year) repeatedly came home whingeing about how boys weren't allowed to give their opinion and corrected for giving the male perspective on social issues, how all the books/ curriculum were focused on girl power, encouraging girls into science/ maths etc.
Anything that he and his friends brought up that wasn't pro-feminist was labelled as women-hating and mysogynistic. The subject itself wasn't discussed. Names were used to silence the boys instead.

I had quite a few talks with him about those frustrations. Some defending women's rights, some defending equal rights for both men and women. Thankfully I managed to soften his viewpoints on quite a few topics.


Feminists got the ball rolling. Men were silenced via guilt trips and name-calling.
Then homosexuals got the feminists' script and modified it to suit their agenda.
Then abuse survivors' were finally given a voice but hijacked by every every other minority group who claimed they were abused in some way or another.
Now people with every type of sexual identity issue have managed to guilt trip people into denying reality e.g. psychologists pretending that transsexuality is not a mental disorder.
Ok... let’s just cut to the chase

How exactly do you think feminists and gays have sexualized our children?
 






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If refusing to deny reality because of its political incorrectness makes me a bigot, then I will happily be called a bigot. :)

Homosexuals hijacked and redefined the word gay, we should do the same with the word bigot, homophobe etc.
You deny reality by the nature of your fundamentalism constantly. You have no room to speak of “reality” when your entire life is lived in a delusion.
 






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You deny reality by the nature of your fundamentalism constantly. You have no room to speak of “reality” when your entire life is lived in a delusion.
I haven't followed the whole thread but it seemed like the tone was calm and respectful.

The reason "religious" people are here might be because VC describes himself as a basic Christian. As others have said, any mention of religious teachings at most places online and you're mocked instantly. I'm personally more comfortable with people that speak with religious symbolism or identify with some type of faith.

I'd say this forum could be split down the line as far as people who are in full acceptance of homosexuality vs. those who see an agenda to recondition world society. Their presence in all facets of the media, from shows to political coverage has skyrocketed the last ten, especially the last 5 years. The movement is astroturf and they know it.
 






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I haven't followed the whole thread but it seemed like the tone was calm and respectful.

The reason "religious" people are here might be because VC describes himself as a basic Christian. As others have said, any mention of religious teachings at most places online and you're mocked instantly. I'm personally more comfortable with people that speak with religious symbolism or identify with some type of faith.

I'd say this forum could be split down the line as far as people who are in full acceptance of homosexuality vs. those who see an agenda to recondition world society. Their presence in all facets of the media, from shows to political coverage has skyrocketed the last ten, especially the last 5 years. The movement is astroturf and they know it.
There’s what, 30 thousand years of recorded human history? ( 75,000 if you wish to count Aborigines) Your god showed up relatively recently. Society is ever changing and thank god for that. It wasn’t too long ago, relatively speaking, that your God demanded the stoning and then the burning of homosexuals, so yeah kind of glad we moved past that one.
 






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I haven't followed the whole thread but it seemed like the tone was calm and respectful.

The reason "religious" people are here might be because VC describes himself as a basic Christian. As others have said, any mention of religious teachings at most places online and you're mocked instantly. I'm personally more comfortable with people that speak with religious symbolism or identify with some type of faith.

I'd say this forum could be split down the line as far as people who are in full acceptance of homosexuality vs. those who see an agenda to recondition world society. Their presence in all facets of the media, from shows to political coverage has skyrocketed the last ten, especially the last 5 years. The movement is astroturf and they know it.
By the way you worship a Volcano, glad to see you all made it out of the bronze age. :rolleyes:
 






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There’s what, 30 thousand years of recorded human history? ( 75,000 if you wish to count Aborigines) Your god showed up relatively recently. Society is ever changing and thank god for that. It wasn’t too long ago, relatively speaking, that your God demanded the stoning and then the burning of homosexuals, so yeah kind of glad we moved past that one.
In human history there's been few laws recorded against it because it didn't exist.

Ok I'm exaggerating for effect but truly look it up- homosexuality from Africa to Asia and the America's it was such a small %, there was no need for legislation. In Native American culture you'd have like one or two "Two-spirits"/shamans in an entire community. Aborigines? I highly doubt it. It's a small minority I think even today is closer to 1%, not 13% or whatever nonsense they publish.

Also there isn't a religion that promotes SSM. Even Hindu and Buddhist are not that old, but there's no place for it for them. I'll look up the quote from the Dalai Lama if you want. Taoism- now that is funny- the complete opposite of Yin and Yang.

There's (too many) other threads on the topic I'll have to search to read other's opinions. What interests me is the earlier discussion about environmental factors like chemicals, etc.

I can't help but ask the question: how does this movement assist the oligarch's who rule over us?
 






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In human history there's been few laws recorded against it because it didn't exist.

Ok I'm exaggerating for effect but truly look it up- homosexuality from Africa to Asia and the America's it was such a small %, there was no need for legislation. In Native American culture you'd have like one or two "Two-spirits"/shamans in an entire community. Aborigines? I highly doubt it. It's a small minority I think even today is closer to 1%, not 13% or whatever nonsense they publish.

Also there isn't a religion that promotes SSM. Even Hindu and Buddhist are not that old, but there's no place for it for them. I'll look up the quote from the Dalai Lama if you want. Taoism- now that is funny- the complete opposite of Yin and Yang.

There's (too many) other threads on the topic I'll have to search to read other's opinions. What interests me is the earlier discussion about environmental factors like chemicals, etc.

I can't help but ask the question: how does this movement assist the oligarch's who rule over us?
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality

And I couldn’t give a single shit what the Dalai Lama or Taoism had to say about it because it’s not thousands of years ago and the Lama is just a benign cult leader.

Either everyone is free or no one is.
 






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You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality

And I couldn’t give a single shit what the Dalai Lama or Taoism had to say about it because it’s not thousands of years ago and the Lama is just a benign cult leader.
I utilize wiki but this would be one instance I'll pass, thanks.

I mentioned other active religions because you were specifically pointing out the Bible. Hey whatever floats your boat bro-
 






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Population control. They're sterilizing children before they even hit puberty-- and demonizing anyone who objects-- it's brilliant.
Oh yeah they’re doing a bang up job with that. Seeing as the world population goes up every year.
 






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