Is Capitalism Evil?

[mecca]

Communistic ideals laid out in the real world result in exactly what you have seen in every Communistic or Socialistic Society in the Modern Era, which is absolute destruction and misery with little to no benefits for the common man.

The people running these "communist" societies didn't have communist ideals though... they didn't care about the common people or what communism means, they just wanted power. The whole point of communism is to not have people ruling over you so any "communist" dictatorship can't even be communist at all.

Communism: A term describing a stateless, classless, money-less society with common ownership of the means of production and production is done on the basis of human need rather than profit.

 

[rainerann]

communism is the same as a pyramid scheme. It looks like things are being distributed, but really there is a handful of people deciding how things are distributed creating a pyramid. It is a scam. The free market economy is a way better way to go. In a free market economy, money is treated like energy and exchanged in a similar way. In theory, money doesn't need to be created or destroyed. The only exception would be when the population increases. Otherwise, it would continue to be exchanged over and over again.

In a free market economy, people have the freedom to give. Just because people don't give does not mean you should take this freedom away and give a handful of people the permission to take their money and pretend to distribute it in their best interest.

The free market economy does not require debt. So people get confused about the real problems that exist in our economy. Having the freedom to spend your own money any way you want to is not the problem. Creating money with debt is the problem. Creating a pseudo-communist society that takes taxes and spends other people's money on wars instead of schools is the problem. Things like this are the problem. Basically, communism is causing the problem even when you don't call your economic system a communist system. It is a partial communist system and that is causing the problem with the economy. I don't need someone to tell me to give. I give voluntarily all the time. Most people I know do and they would spend their money that they have taken in taxes way better than our present government does. I would rather most of my coworkers had their money back to spend how they want any day of the week. The world would be a better place if they didn't have to pay taxes, I'm sure of it.

 

[mecca]

Creating a pseudo-communist society that takes taxes and spends other people's money on wars instead of schools is the problem. Things like this are the problem. Basically, communism is causing the problem even when you don't call your economic system a communist system. It is a partial communist system and that is causing the problem with the economy.

How is that communism?

 

[Etagloc]

Addressing your other post about my way on here. I'd rather be truthful and candid than lie, confuse and start useless fights. I'm way more blameless that you in this thread, yet you accuse me?

You might want to re-enroll in troll school.

Your entire assumption of my position was inaccurate because you were too lazy to read my position. It's really that simple. Even worse, once this was explained to you rather than demonstrating restraint you double down on your offense.

Dumb move.

You've been exposed shill.

 

[rainerann]

How is that communism?

Communism is the collecting of people's money to a central pot that is then distributed to the community. When taxes are collected they are taken to a central pot and distributed to the community. It is the same thing. That is why a whole bunch of tea ended up in the ocean at one point. It ticks people off when you take their money they work for and try to tell them you will spend it better than they will. Collecting taxes the way they do in our country is the same thing as living a partial communist society.

 

[Etagloc]

Now you're starting to brighten up. Trust me, your best recourse after this mess (which you made BTW) is to ignore me.

 

[Aero]

Capitalism is super evil. At least by traditional definitions of evil. But what do you do. Say gold is worth the same thing as copper? Maybe we would of been better off as a civilization. But it's tough to imagine that sort of thing happening.

From what I've read our financial problems come from moving away from the gold standard. So we should go back to gold, and than we should get rid of the gold standard. And we will be good. Capitalism solved.

 

[umphreak]

I don't need someone to tell me to give. I give voluntarily all the time. Most people I know do and they would spend their money that they have taken in taxes way better than our present government does. I would rather most of my coworkers had their money back to spend how they want any day of the week. The world would be a better place if they didn't have to pay taxes, I'm sure of it.

You're not alone. The "greedy capitalist" United States ranks number 2 in the World Giving Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

Communism is the collecting of people's money to a central pot that is then distributed to the community. When taxes are collected they are taken to a central pot and distributed to the community. It is the same thing. That is a whole bunch of tea ended up in the ocean at one point. Collecting taxes the way they do in our country is the same thing as living a partial communist society.

Technically that would be socialism, but socialism is nothing more than a stepping stone to communism.

 

[rainerann]

You're not alone. The "greedy capitalist" United States ranks number 2 in the World Giving Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Giving_Index

Exactly!

Technically that would be socialism, but socialism is nothing more than a stepping stone to communism.

I know, but socialism could also be called partial communism, but communists think calling it socialism will make people think that they are not the same thing. Sneaky people they are those communists.

 

[Daciple]

allowed to simply pursue their goals without interference

And that is crux of the problem brother, why do you think they werent allowed to pursue their goals? Because someone else wanted power, and thus they will continually enact the best form of Government that allows them to keep control of their power. As I stated before, the ideal of Communism is great I dont disagree with the basic principles and I believe that if Christ were to rule the world it will be a Communistic Ideal. However I live in reality, I see History and I know Human Sin and in reality, seeing History and understanding the evilness of Sin and the fact its not ever going away until Christ comes back, then I know that Communism will forever be one of if not the most Evil of all type of Societies.

Capitalism in the real world is a better system period, I believe the rights of the individual outweigh the desires of the collective and just on that point alone Capitalism is a much much better system of Government. I can stop there, I personally dont need to go any further, my rights as a human being ought to be above anything initiated by the State period. I do not trust the State ever, and I do not want the State to decide what it is I ought to do or tell me that the need of it the State is above my personal rights and desires. Such as I should not be forced to give up a kidney because the State has deemed that someone more important is in need of it. I am using this as an extreme example but the ideal behind it still stands. My personal rights ought to always trump the States, but in Communism the State ALWAYS trumps the rights of the individual.

Economically, there is a reason why the West lead the World into the Modern Age with all the luxuries and conveniences we have today, like running water for basically free, electricity, toilets, ample food, heat, cars, and pretty much everything you can see in your house right now, and that is because of Capitalism. Communism didnt produce these things in their Societies and if you look at almost every Communistic Society millions upon millions upon millions of their citizens dont have basic conveniences. In the West do we still many people that dont have access to these things? Of course its not a perfect system but I will tell you what, as long as you are able bodied (and even the disabled have MUCH better lives here) then you have an infinitely higher chance of upward mobility to achieve anything you desire in a Capitalistic Society as opposed to a Communistic one.

I saw your argument against the fact that a form of Greed is what motors the Capitalistic Society, but I say Greed is the extreme form of desire of that which is necessary for life. In my view it is simply the desire of that which is necessary for life that is the true motivator in the Capitalistic Society. I need a house, running water, electricity, a toilet and food, so what can I DO so that I can attain these things? There the motivation and the answer is PRODUCE something of value for someone else. This basic ideal is WONDERFUL for everyone involved. A man working for what he needs producing something that benefits someone else, this is backbone of a PRODUCTIVE Society. And the LESS interference from the STATE the better the Society works.

Communism is literally the exact opposite, it is the STATE in full control, dictating what the needs of other WILL BE, not necessarily what they HAPPEN TO BE, and then mandating what one must do, with no care about your personal desire. The State can say well you only need 1 meal a day and well thats all you get, while you must work at this factory you hate for 16 hours because that is what is needed of you. Its a demotivational system all together. There is never anything new produced for all mankinds benefit in the Communistic Model in REALITY. (Yes on paper it would be) because I cant decide I want to make a smartphone and then everyone else cant look at my new smartphone and say yes that benefits me what can I do to attain it, and then they go do something to get it ect.

Even in our Capitalistic Society we can see the ill effects of Communistic ideals in the Modern Welfare State, where many able bodied people refuse to go work, why? Because the State provides for them and thus they begin to drain the Society and contribute nothing of value back into the Society for what it is they have taken. Why should they contribute? They dont need to.

Communism in the real world is the worst, again I will take this flawed Capitalistic Society any day, plus simply the fact that the Elites themselves are pushing Communism in every single freaking college in America and Europe tells me its something I never ever will desire to have. If the Elite endorse it, well its for their own benefit!!!

 

[Etagloc]

Lol. You're getting murked in here. Learn patience kid. Had your read 4 pages you would have realized we, on a basic level, believe in similar ways. But you alienated me by your brashness and impatience.

That's fine if you're alienated from me. Apparently it doesn't even bother you that you're alienated from the most basic teachings of your supposed religion.

 

[mecca]

Communism is the collecting of people's money to a central pot that is then distributed to the community. When taxes are collected they are taken to a central pot and distributed to the community. It is the same thing. That is why a whole bunch of tea ended up in the ocean at one point. It ticks people off when you take their money they work for and try to tell them you will spend it better than they will. Collecting taxes the way they do in our country is the same thing as living a partial communist society.

Communism: A term describing a stateless, classless, money-less society with common ownership of the means of production and production is done on the basis of human need rather than profit.

 

[mecca]

You've been exposed shill.

Lmao

 

[umphreak]

Capitalism in the real world is a better system period, I believe the rights of the individual outweigh the desires of the collective and just on that point alone Capitalism is a much much better system of Government

This is really the bottom line. Thank you for standing up for individual rights!

I saw your argument against the fact that a form of Greed is what motors the Capitalistic Society, but I say Greed is the extreme form of desire of that which is necessary for life. In my view it is simply the desire of that which is necessary for life that is the true motivator in the Capitalistic Society. I need a house, running water, electricity, a toilet and food, so what can I DO so that I can attain these things? There the motivation and the answer is PRODUCE something of value for someone else. This basic ideal is WONDERFUL for everyone involved. A man working for what he needs producing something that benefits someone else, this is backbone of a PRODUCTIVE Society. And the LESS interference from the STATE the better the Society works.

Well said again!

 

[mecca]

Communism is the collecting of people's money to a central pot that is then distributed to the community. When taxes are collected they are taken to a central pot and distributed to the community. It is the same thing. That is why a whole bunch of tea ended up in the ocean at one point. It ticks people off when you take their money they work for and try to tell them you will spend it better than they will. Collecting taxes the way they do in our country is the same thing as living a partial communist society.

Communism is a society run by the people and for the people... it has nothing to do with taking people's money, there shouldn't even be money.

 

[rainerann]

Capitalism is super evil. At least by traditional definitions of evil. But what do you do. Say gold is worth the same thing as copper? Maybe we would of been better off as a civilization. But it's tough to imagine that sort of thing happening.

From what I've read our financial problems come from moving away from the gold standard. So we should go back to gold, and than we should get rid of the gold standard. And we will be good. Capitalism solved.

Gold was probably used as currency because it is not really useful as anything else. Therefore, gold and precious metals are the original fiat currencies. They only have value because two parties agree to use them in the exchange of goods.

Therefore, anything can be considered currency as long as two people agree to use it in the exchange of goods. However, gold or copper work better as a form of currency because they exist in finite quantities which prevent devaluing the currency with an excessive amount or creating uncontrollable inflation.

We should also not go back to a gold standard because the finite quantity of gold cannot accommodate the size of the present population. We need a new form of fiat currency because it is a lot more convenient to exchange something like gold than try to trade my couch at the grocery store for some vegetables. The prophecy says this will result in the beast system, but that doesn't mean currency or money is evil. The love of money is what is evil or the idea that you can control an economy by creating the fiat currency the economy uses is evil.

It would otherwise be useful for most people to have access to a new form of fiat currency and get rid of the dollar. Paper money causes inflation quicker than gold because it doesn't exist in a finite quantity, but one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

 

[mecca]

In my view it is simply the desire of that which is necessary for life that is the true motivator in the Capitalistic Society. I need a house, running water, electricity, a toilet and food, so what can I DO so that I can attain these things? There the motivation and the answer is PRODUCE something of value for someone else. This basic ideal is WONDERFUL for everyone involved. A man working for what he needs producing something that benefits someone else, this is backbone of a PRODUCTIVE Society. And the LESS interference from the STATE the better the Society works.

Communism: A term describing a stateless, classless, money-less society with common ownership of the means of production and production is done on the basis of human need rather than profit.

 

[Daciple]

Communism: A term describing a stateless, classless, money-less society with common ownership of the means of production and production is done on the basis of human need rather than profit.

You ever hear of Zeitgeist? Ever hear of the Society they want to enact? Its called the Venus Project, you can check it out here:

https://www.thevenusproject.com/

From that site:

The Venus Project is working towards putting its ideals into practice by the construction of an experimental research city. This new experimental research city would be devoted to working towards the aims and goals of The Venus Project, which are:

• Realizing the declaration of the world’s resources as being the common heritage of all people.
• Transcending the artificial boundaries that currently and arbitrarily separate people.
• Replacing money-based nationalistic economies with a resource-based world economy.
• Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control.
• Reclaiming and restoring the natural environment to the best of our ability.
• Redesigning cities, transportation systems, agricultural industries, and industrial plants so that they are energy efficient, clean, and able to conveniently serve the needs of all people.
• Gradually outgrowing corporate entities and governments, (local, national, or supra-national) as means of social management.
• Sharing and applying new technologies for the benefit of all nations.
• Developing and using clean renewable energy sources.
• Manufacturing the highest quality products for the benefit of the world’s people.
• Requiring environmental impact studies prior to construction of any mega projects.
• Encouraging the widest range of creativity and incentive toward constructive endeavor.
• Outgrowing nationalism, bigotry, and prejudice through education.
• Eliminating elitism, technical or otherwise.
• Arriving at methodologies by careful research rather than random opinions.
• Enhancing communication in schools so that our language is relevant to the physical conditions of the world.
• Providing not only the necessities of life, but also offering challenges that stimulate the mind while emphasizing individuality rather than uniformity.
• Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the changes and challenges that lie ahead.

What I want you to understand is that the people who are trying to create this Venus Project, the people who made the Propaganda Movie called Zeitgiest, embrace and are literally pushing for what you just stated is the real goal of Communism. These people ARE THE ELITE point blank period, this website and movie is LITERALLY a propaganda entity to prepare the minds of the world to accept the New World Order. THIS is the New World Order, why do you want to align yourself with the ideals of the freaking Elite who you must know if you are on this site want to enslave you and everyone else?

They are selling a pipe dream and what will end up happening is that people will desire their own enslavement, that is the dream the Elite want, they dont want to force you into their New World Order to begin with, they want to sell it to you as the best thing ever!! They want you to accept and then defend THEIR SYSTEM and then happily walk right into the shackles they have created for you to wear.

Capitalism is Bad, Communism is Satanic...

 

[rainerann]

Communism is a society run by the people and for the people... it has nothing to do with taking people's money, there shouldn't even be money.

You have to have money. Otherwise, you would have to trade your coffee table for food. No one person can produce everything they need to survive and have a certain quality of life independent of other people. There has to be a medium of exchange. This medium also creates an incentive to work. People like to get paid for the work they do. It is difficult to work without reward and we depend on other people down to the finest details of life every day. Look around your room and realize how many people it took to have everything you see. The screws that hold your computer together. Someone goes to work every day to make those. The government does not have the right to take this from the man who makes them by force. That is called stealing. Communism is basically stealing what someone else worked for.

Economics is an important subject to study.

 

[rainerann]

Communism: A term describing a stateless, classless, money-less society with common ownership of the means of production and production is done on the basis of human need rather than profit.

Which economics books, if any, have you read if you don't mind me asking? May I suggest Naked Economics: Undressing the Dismal Science. It is fun and easy to read on the subject of economics.