If Mason's Built the USA, Why are they subverting it to destroy it now?

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It is clear the Mason's did build the USA, the monuments absolutely scream that, the money has all the symbols all over it, the symbolism is everywhere. YET, the Hollywood Illuminati and the Elites we see, which VC himself calls attention to in all his awesome articles, are always putting out subversive propaganda to pervert our country and drag it down to their creepy occult level. My confusion is why would they do that if they built it? And further, if they built it why would they go about it as SUBVERSIVES? What I mean is if they ARE the establishment, they don't need to be sneaky and subvert - see what I mean? Yet if the Masonic, or seemingly Masonic occult Hollywood Illuminati, are not the same group that founded the country, why don't the real Masons stand up and put an end to this meddling and corruption? So the Masons must be OK with the devil worshiping Elites? It just feels like a struggle along the line of a revolution, yet if they founded the country who are they rebelling against? I don't know if anyone sees what I mean, but I find it very perplexing.
 





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I understand your point. Some conspiracy theories have it, and this largely based upon John Robison's (short-title) "Proofs of a Conspiracy (p. 57+)," among other reports of its type and time, that the so called "Illuminati" and Freemasonry are two separate organizations. Perhaps more accurately, it seems there are so called "regular" and "irregular" lodges of Freemasonry, and the Illuminati, as a schismatic, subversive "society of Freemasons," is or was of the latter type. Robison essentially argued that the founder of the Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt, also known as Spartacus, with others of his society, set out to infiltrate Freemasonry and cleverly use it for ultimately destructive ends.

It was, by the way, in response to a series of letters concerning Robison's book that Freemasonic American President, George Washington, responded by saying:

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Iluminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or the pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, and that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects—and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

So Washington was saying he thought the Illuminati HAD infiltrated, yet hadn't managed to spread the doctrine much? I am having a little trouble digesting what he is saying.
 





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@Awoken2 Thanks, I will watch that. I think the infiltration started with the Sabbateans, but that was before the founding of the US I think, so it would seem the Masons have been compromised for quite some time. I just find it hard to fathom what the average good ole boy Mason in rural USA is thinking when he sees all this shit happening. Is he thinking it'll pass? Is he thinking "we have this under control, and I and my family will be safe"? But how could he think that when the Elites are flooding the US and Europe with savages? I just don't get why they seem so unaffected.
 





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some thoughts:
i dont think the lower level masons have any idea what transpires at the top of their organization. its possible that the masonic founding fathers were not part of the elite controllers, or its possible that the organization was not fully infiltrated by the real architects of control until later. in my opinion, very, very few of those elite masons have any power. they simply take orders from their superiors, who are running the show.

keep in mind that those in control think VERY long term. if the story about john dee is true (q.v. michael tsarions lecture on this regarding the macrobes), then the creation and the far later subsequent destruction (sacrifice?) of a nation is entirely plausible.
 





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keep in mind that those in control think VERY long term. if the story about john dee is true (q.v. michael tsarions lecture on this regarding the macrobes), then the creation and the far later subsequent destruction (sacrifice?) of a nation is entirely plausible
I have not heard of these men or a macrobe. Got a link, I prefer videos.
 





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I have not heard of these men or a macrobe. Got a link, I prefer videos.

go to YT or bitchute and start going through the videos for michael tsarions lectures. the pertinent one is the atlantis/genetic manipulation lecture, but the others all fit together for the bigger picture. they are well worth your time. i will admit, though, his voice can make one drowsy.

this is the beginning of the atlantis one-- its missing some of the beginning.

 





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do you even know what is Freemasonry/Illuminati/KoM and their degrees and how they operate? xD
oh gosh.
 





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It is clear the Mason's did build the USA, the monuments absolutely scream that, the money has all the symbols all over it, the symbolism is everywhere. YET, the Hollywood Illuminati and the Elites we see, which VC himself calls attention to in all his awesome articles, are always putting out subversive propaganda to pervert our country and drag it down to their creepy occult level. My confusion is why would they do that if they built it? And further, if they built it why would they go about it as SUBVERSIVES? What I mean is if they ARE the establishment, they don't need to be sneaky and subvert - see what I mean? Yet if the Masonic, or seemingly Masonic occult Hollywood Illuminati, are not the same group that founded the country, why don't the real Masons stand up and put an end to this meddling and corruption? So the Masons must be OK with the devil worshiping Elites? It just feels like a struggle along the line of a revolution, yet if they founded the country who are they rebelling against? I don't know if anyone sees what I mean, but I find it very perplexing.
It goes beyond the Masons. Masonic ritual is esoteric magic think that goes back to the Talmud and the Zohar. Before that, it goes back to Egypt and the Book of the Dead. And then most likely it all goes back to Babylon.
It's a lot of different forces, but the power is not human. The power is malignant narcissism-- read evil. It's Satan.
Most of the truth is in plain sight. Just look at DC to the left and the right and you'll see dual loyalties all over. People say America First and they have dual loyalties. People talk about reparations and they can't manage to pay veterans their money on time. Non violent offenders live in debtors' prisons. If you have money, you can do whatever. I'm simplifying it.
You'll see malignant narcissists who waste taxpayer dollars on foreign wars that kill the elderly and innocent children with drones.
The problem is evil.
 





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It goes beyond the Masons. Masonic ritual is esoteric magic think that goes back to the Talmud and the Zohar. Before that, it goes back to Egypt and the Book of the Dead. And then most likely it all goes back to Babylon.
From what I can tell, the Talmud itself was written in Babylon during one of the Biblical Exiles. That's where the sex magic and demonology came in. I figure the Masons may have been more based on Egytian, then the Kabbalists infiltrated. The Talmud is Satanic enough on it's on, but Sabbatai Zevi took it even further, and his followers literally were ordered to go out and infiltrate all other religions. That's what they say anyway. I am inclined to believe it, because while it is dressed up in Masonic symbolism, the Hollyweird movies, shows, and videos/music is straight up Sabbatean - in other words literally reversed morality, Satanic.
 





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umm it was built for the purpose of subversion... so yes an entity built for subversion is subverted. Portraying that as strange is like portraying it as strange that someone is using a car for driving. It's doing what it was designed for.
 





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@Awoken2 Thanks, I will watch that. I think the infiltration started with the Sabbateans, but that was before the founding of the US I think, so it would seem the Masons have been compromised for quite some time. I just find it hard to fathom what the average good ole boy Mason in rural USA is thinking when he sees all this shit happening. Is he thinking it'll pass? Is he thinking "we have this under control, and I and my family will be safe"? But how could he think that when the Elites are flooding the US and Europe with savages? I just don't get why they seem so unaffected.
You may find this interesting. It will give you a much better understanding of the very clear connections between Freemasonry and the Illuminate.

http://humansarefree.com/2011/09/history-of-house-of-rothschild-complete.html?m=0

You may also find some relevant information here...

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/origins-of-freemasonry-is-it-satanic.3689/

Hope this helps.
 





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I understand your point. Some conspiracy theories have it, and this largely based upon John Robison's (short-title) "Proofs of a Conspiracy (p. 57+)," among other reports of its type and time, that the so called "Illuminati" and Freemasonry are two separate organizations. Perhaps more accurately, it seems there are so called "regular" and "irregular" lodges of Freemasonry, and the Illuminati, as a schismatic, subversive "society of Freemasons," is or was of the latter type. Robison essentially argued that the founder of the Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt, also known as Spartacus, with others of his society, set out to infiltrate Freemasonry and cleverly use it for ultimately destructive ends.

It was, by the way, in response to a series of letters concerning Robison's book that Freemasonic American President, George Washington, responded by saying:

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Iluminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or the pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, and that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects—and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

He sounds like you, Serveto-- he is rather abusive, though (IMO), with his punctuation.
 





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He sounds like you, Serveto-- he is rather abusive, though (IMO), with his punctuation.
Punctuation abuse is a silent epidemic. Millions are suffering in parenthesis. Speak out against punctuation abuse today.

Every year millions of commas are abused. Although the height of comma abuse was in the 19th century, millions of commas are still suffering silently.

Be the change. Stop punctuation abuse.

#IStandWithAbusedCommas
 





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umm it was built for the purpose of subversion... so yes an entity built for subversion is subverted. Portraying that as strange is like portraying it as strange that someone is using a car for driving. It's doing what it was designed for.
Umm, your response is childish. You have contributed nothing. This thread isn't for trolls.