I dont know what to believe anymore

[Etagloc]

 

[Etagloc]

What the Western power structure doesn't want to tell you and what you'll learn if you actually study the history and the words of the events and people involved....

is that the Marxist-Leninist-influenced revolutions in Cuba and Vietnam were more about securing freedom and self-determination for their peoples and about freeing their countries from colonialism than about building some sort of utopias. Same with the Marxist influenced movements led by Thomas Sankara and Salvador Allende.

If you actually study the people and events I'm talking about- in their own words- they were more about freeing their peoples from colonialism than building some sort of utopias.

I don't think any person in their right mind can be on the side of colonialism.

If Vietnam, for example, wants to have a socialist government, a Muslim government, a whatever government..... I don't really care. The Vietnamese people have the right to decide what type of government they want and its their business- it can't be determined by people way off in another part of the world.

 

[Etagloc]

If you actually listen to what they are talking about- and I am giving you translated versions but I have studied the original Spanish-language material.... if you listen, Che, Fidel- and I'll throw in Sankara too (he spoke French so in that case I do need translation as well)....

they were not taking about building some sort of perfect utopias. Their goal was to free their peoples from colonialism. That's what the Western power structure doesn't want to talk about.

hasta siempre, Comandante!

listen to Sankara.... he is not talking about making some utopia... he is talking about freeing Africans from colonialism.... I guess if you're for colonialism I can't stop you from being that way but insha'Allah I will never be on the side of colonialism

 

[Etagloc]

Listen to Chávez for yourself:

If he is serving some "Jewish conspiracy", then why was he defending Muslims and Palestinians and attacking the state of Israel? That would make zero sense if he was serving some "Jewish conspiracy" as the modern-day transmitters of Nazi propaganda would have you believe.

He has another speech on YouTube where he calls Muslims "our brothers" and even says Salam-Alaikum to Muslims and says the term insha'Allah and is speaking in defense of Muslims. Him and Castro both were passionate about defending Palestine. If anti-colonialism makes me a bad guy, then let me be a bad guy. I hope I am still anti-colonialist till the day I am buried. It is a mark of shame to be for colonialism.

 

[DesertRose]

Just saw this and wanted to post this because it is relevant to this topic:
Andrei Fursov (Андрей Фурсов) - Russian historian, sociologist, writer, organizer of science.

 

[Etagloc]

Just saw this and wanted to post this because it is relevant to this topic:
Andrei Fursov (Андрей Фурсов) - Russian historian, sociologist, writer, organizer of science.

I don't think I've ever described myself as a communist.

I am against colonialism and imperialism. That does not mean I automatically believe in everything some guy named Marx said.

The fact is..... and I am tired of repeating this.......

I can agree with Lenin that imperialism is bad. That doesn't mean i believe in every single thing he said or did. I don't worship him. I just agree with his being anti-imperialism.

If you actually read his work on imperialism, you would see he was attacking imperialism and colonialism- he wasn't actually proposing a specific political system in that work.

Are you for colonialism? I do not see why "imperialism is bad" should be so controversial. Ideas should be judged on their own merits not by the person who says them.

 

[DesertRose]

Are you for colonialism? I do not see why "imperialism is bad" should be so controversial. Ideas should be judged on their own merits not by the person who says them.

Hi Eta long time no see....
As you are aware, I am anti imperialist and anti-colonialist and I am ok with aspects of socialism.
As you are also aware I am for Muslim self determination.
I was just adding to your discussion by posting that video.

 

[mecca]

Just saw this and wanted to post this because it is relevant to this topic:
Andrei Fursov (Андрей Фурсов) - Russian historian, sociologist, writer, organizer of science.

I don't get what that guy is talking about.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I'm one of those who believes action speak louder than words. People in power can easily hide their true beliefs and lie for an agenda. Lenin was Jewish and his mission was to loot Russia and use an anti-colonial message to bring about the revolution. That's my take on it. Everyone knows it was a big scam. After theyd looted the money..the Soviet union collapsed and Jews were hand picked and gifted most of the asserts ie the natural resource industries. Look at how a random nobody like Roman abramovich made us wealth and he's just one random dude when there were many more richer than him. Even Putin is a crypto Jew.

Also nothing wrong with capitalism at all...it's the fact that people are greedy and self serving that's the problem.

 

[Etagloc]

I'm one of those who believes action speak louder than words. People in power can easily hide their true beliefs and lie for an agenda. Lenin was Jewish and his mission was to loot Russia and use an anti-colonial message to bring about the revolution. That's my take on it. Everyone knows it was a big scam. After theyd looted the money..the Soviet union collapsed and Jews were hand picked and gifted most of the asserts ie the natural resource industries. Look at how a random nobody like Roman abramovich made us wealth and he's just one random dude when there were many more richer than him. Even Putin is a crypto Jew.

Also nothing wrong with capitalism at all...it's the fact that people are greedy and self serving that's the problem.

I agree that actions speak louder than words.

Salvador Allende, Thomas Sankara and Che all gave their lives for what they believed in. And Che was willing to die fighting alongside revolutionaries in Africa. That makes zero sense if we believe the nazi theory that every revolt everywhere against oppression is secretly a "Jewish conspiracy".... it is just a very thinly veiled rationalization for white supremacists. If black people in the US get bothered about the fact that police can kill them for sport or if Palestinians get bothered about their problems.... it is a "Jewish conspiracy". That is Stormfront logic.

One of my friends from Cuba told me that there is more discrimination towards black people in California than in Cuba and that black people in Cuba are treated better than in California. And I was there when he had to go to the hospital and came back ranting about the bad treatment he got and how he got better medical treatment when he was in Cuba.

Sending doctors and teachers across the world and giving people better medical treatment and teaching his people to be anti-racism and giving them education that tesches them how to think critically and protecting Assata Shakur and being friends with Malcolm X and Stokely Carmichael and doing things to support oppressed people all over the world.... Castro lived the stuff he was talking about. If you actually study it, there were tons of accomplishments. (see here http://www.invent-the-future.org/2013/07/20-reasons-to-support-cuba/ )And yes he could be repressive especially at the beginning of the Cuban Revolution but..... Allende was more insistent on following a democratic model and look what happened to him- he got murdered by the CIA.

Go to Florida and talk to the Cubans there. They will complain about economic hardships- which are due to the US blockade. I have friends from Cuba and I've never heard any of them say Fidel was secretly a crypto-Jew or any of that David Duke type stuff.

And ideas have power in themselves. If teaching people to be smart and think critically is a "Jewish conspiracy" then the "crypto-Jews" suck at the whole conspiracy thing.

"It was the Jews" and "Sheikh Imran must be working for the Jews because he doesn't agree with my interpretation of things" is not an adequate explanation for history. History is way more complicated and not one-dimensional than that.

real recognize real

 

[AspiringSoul]

I agree that actions speak louder than words.

Salvador Allende, Thomas Sankara and Che all gave their lives for what they believed in. And Che was willing to die fighting alongside revolutionaries in Africa. That makes zero sense if we believe the nazi theory that every revolt everywhere against oppression is secretly a "Jewish conspiracy".... it is just a very thinly veiled rationalization for white supremacists. If black people in the US get bothered about the fact that police can kill them for sport or if Palestinians get bothered about their problems.... it is a "Jewish conspiracy". That is Stormfront logic.

One of my friends from Cuba told me that there is more discrimination towards black people in California than in Cuba and that black people in Cuba are treated better than in California. And I was there when he had to go to the hospital and came back ranting about the bad treatment he got and how he got better medical treatment when he was in Cuba.

Sending doctors and teachers across the world and giving people better medical treatment and teaching his people to be anti-racism and giving them education that tesches them how to think critically and protecting Assata Shakur and being friends with Malcolm X and Stokely Carmichael and doing things to support oppressed people all over the world.... Castro lived the stuff he was talking about. If you actually study it, there were tons of accomplishments. (see here http://www.invent-the-future.org/2013/07/20-reasons-to-support-cuba/ )And yes he could be repressive especially at the beginning of the Cuban Revolution but..... Allende was more insistent on following a democratic model and look what happened to him- he got murdered by the CIA.

Go to Florida and talk to the Cubans there. They will complain about economic hardships- which are due to the US blockade. I have friends from Cuba and I've never heard any of them say Fidel was secretly a crypto-Jew or any of that David Duke type stuff.

And ideas have power in themselves. If teaching people to be smart and think critically is a "Jewish conspiracy" then the "crypto-Jews" suck at the whole conspiracy thing.

"It was the Jews" and "Sheikh Imran must be working for the Jews because he doesn't agree with my interpretation of things" is not an adequate explanation for history. History is way more complicated and not one-dimensional than that.

You're on a different tangent to me. i'm not talking about Che Guevara and i'm not talking about white supremacy/colonialism.
You can't answer one evil with another evil.
i'm talking about the bolshevik revolution specifically. The bolshevik revolution was responsible for mass slaughter. over 60million christians were killed...put that into context...nothing in history comes close to it....so don't talk about white supremacists in the context.

Telling me they were against capitalism does not change the very real fact that it was a party dominated by jews and crypto jews.
This is an absolute fact and it is still a fact that their remnants stripped russia of it's natural resource assets...divided up amongst jews. Just look up the wealthiest russian billionaires, they're all jews. How do you suppose they got what they got? so i gave you one example, roman abramovich. These guys have simply looted the country and ran off to europe to hide away from putin who's been stripping their wealth and keeping it.

Btw next time actually read what i've typed and don't jump to conclusions. i've not praised capitalism, i've said that capitalism is not evil on it's own terms, it is evil because the rich and powerful are themselves greedy. A proper capitalist state would tax corporations fairly. At the moment, corporations don't even pay 5% of their profits in tax. This is not capitalism, this is theft of the highest order.
of course............if you even have an ounce of intelligence (and i know you do), you'd want to acknowledge the fact mostof these corporations are run by jews. That's a very real fact too.
I don't need to see some image of white supremacist/nazis to acknowledge the fact we're living in the age of mystery babylon.



As for Imran Hossein, are you even being legit with me now? I think if you were really honest you would specifically open up this part of the discussion and talk to me about the specific points I raised before. Each point has a story.
I talk about the fall of mystery babylon and dajjal's role in that. How that coincides with the hadith prophecy and the fall of modern israel aswell as the fall of the arab world at the same time.

if dajjal's purpose is to destroy mystery babylon (israel) and thus appear as the saviour.....
then what about those muslims who instead present mystery babylon as dajjal? ie who destroys israel, is what? he's the saviour. this also coincides with his support for iran, where the shia 'imam' (in occultation) is manifested under the collective shadow of shia mahdism literally as dajjal. The one who comes from isfahan.
This shit is not a game. I firmly believe in the collective power of manifestation. What we believe, occurs, but it is not always directly what we desire. When I say 'under the shadow' it means effectively, it is a dark manifestation from a collective mind dominated by evil. It is the same way jewish messianicism in the 6th century ac resulted in the literal manifestation of THE prophet of islam.
hence by the same process I do believe jewish messianicism is going to manifest THE imam mahdi. There's a plot twist.

acknowledging these facts doesn't make me deluded, i'm probably still the only muslim who looks at these angles. I think the only muslim i know of who would have understood this theme was sufi inayat khan but he talked in general terms about how the unconscious manifests things we don't consciously desire (i've learnt a lot reading his lectures).

 

[AspiringSoul]

@Etagloc I swear, ive not listened to an entire lecture in a very very long time because I believe i sussed him out a good while back and could not keep patient when listening to this.

So what im doing is challenging my own position, by listening to his lecture here

since it is relevant, i will give my full thoughts when im done

BUT
in the first 7 mins, what has he done?

In his view, blockchain technology and cryptocurrency=israel=dajjal.

I get that point, don't agree with it entirely. Then my man over here decides to quote a hadith where the prophet SAW says "only the traces of islam will be left" and he is directing this towards his own personal context. See that same argument could be used against him, since he's a sheikh too. In the context it can be applied to anyone with a religious title. However he's using it here to serve his argument.

I will listen to the rest of it inshallah and add my thoughts if you want. But dn't ever assume i don't like this guy because my OPINIONS are different. I don't like this guy and consider him one of the biggest deceivers around based on his tactics, the way he uses/misquotes the quran in order to support certain half truths that i firmly do believe play into the hands of dajjal.

 

[AspiringSoul]

The prophet AW said one day, only the traces of islam will be left. the mosques will be grand but knowledge will be scarce, the religious scholars will be the worst of creatures.

the irony is, imran hossein is one of the most popular scholars. His english lectures are shared amongst english speaking muslims all over the world, he has a lot of fans in the far east too. he appeals to the mainstream orthodox sunni sect meaning he has the biggest share of the market. His books are translated into other languages too.
this hadith applies to him as much as anyone.

 

[AspiringSoul]

ok at least he's acknowledged what the bolshevik revolution really was, a tool created by jews.
However he doesn't quite understand the deception in supporting a russian proxies vs american proxies in the middle east ie iran vs saudi.
If he can acknowledge the deception behind the bolshevik revolution than he should also be acknowledging the deception behind the creation of israel too.

 

[Etagloc]

Ahem....okay.... so the Bolshevik Revolution.

You want to talk specifically about that. Okay. I will try to address that. But I would like to back up a little bit first.

For me, I think it is a matter of methodology. I don't think I'm qualified to be the person to ask about Russian history.

Look at Chinese history. I am totally fascinated with China. I love China and I think they're so cool. I really like Zhuge Liang. I think he is so cool. He was an ancient Chinese military strategist.

However.... I was heartbroken. I tried to learn about him and I found out to my horror- a lot of the material is only available in Chinese.

And so that is my thing. What we think about Lenin, Stalin, etc.... I don't think it really matters what we think. If we look at English-material.... what we're looking at is going to be filtered from a Western perspective. If I want to know about Japan- I want to ask a Japanese person who understands the language and also sees how the history is person by Japanese people in general- what is known as the collective consciousness.

I'm not saying I can't become qualified to speak with a reasonable degree of confidence regarding Russian history-but before I can do that, I think I need to study and learn the language as well as talk to Russian people themselves to find out what they think.

So as a historical figure.... I have no idea as far as Lenin. Same with Mao. But.... it's funny to me because I think it's the West that portrays them as horrible monsters. But Lenin and Mao belong to the history of Russia and China. What matters is what Russians and Chinese people think.

So as far as Chinese history or Russian history.... I like to talk about what I feel I reasonably know about. But if I want to learn about Mao or Lenin- I don't want "Mao according to Westerners"..... I don't want to buy my salsa from New York.... if I want to know about Mao, I want Mao according to Chinese people. Same with Lenin.

So as far as Russian history or Chinese history..... in regards to those matters, my place is to listen, not to speak. I don't want to talk about what I don't know about.

As far as Lenin as a historical figure, I don't really have a particular position. But Lenin was also a theorist.

I've read his book on imperialism and all he does is explain imperialism in a very honest way and explain how imperialism functions. I agree with what he says as far as how he explains imperialism. As far as the other stuff.... those are different matters.

I have no idea if Jung and Heidegger were Nazis. But they had some interesting and useful insights. A flawed person can still have useful insights. Socrates might have practiced some.... rather disgusting stuff that was normal in his time and place. I don't agree with that but that doesn't mean he didn't have useful things to say. When it comes to ideas, we have to judge them based on the ideas themselves- you don't judge philosophy based on the personal life of the philosopher(s) in question. Ideas stand or fall on their own merits.

I mean.... even look at the Unabomber. The Unabomber quoted Jacques Ellul and referred to Ellul's critique of technology. I'm actually a big fan of Jacques Ellul (haven't read the Unabomber). Of course like any sane person I am against what the Unabomber did but..... it doesn't prove that Ellul was incorrect in his critique of technology.

 

[bbsion]

Just my two cents. I know very good people who were Freemasons. I believe the organization was at one point not bad. It's been infiltrated by evil men with evil intent and has transformed into what we know today. It's now linked with "Illuminati" and NWO powers that be. Most organizations, philosophical ideas, and religions have been infiltrated at this point though.

 

[Etagloc]

Just my two cents. I know very good people who were Freemasons. I believe the organization was at one point not bad. It's been infiltrated by evil men with evil intent and has transformed into what we know today. It's now linked with "Illuminati" and NWO powers that be. Most organizations, philosophical ideas, and religions have been infiltrated at this point though.

@bbsion

I agree- and I think you mean the people who claim to represent philosophical ideas- right?

@peopleingeneral

Because ideas themselves are just ideas. Ideas don't act on their own. The idea that some philosopher is just so dangerous that you should be terrified to even open their book.... I just think that is superstition. Ideas are just ideas. It's up to the person how they are applied- for good or for bad. Chris Hedges and Zizek are Marxists and they're just cool, friendly guys who like to talk about stuff. You can take Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, whoever- and you can take their ideas and make something beautiful or ugly. But it's the individual who acts, the ideas themselves are just ideas. And when you read Hegel you might disagree with one sentence and agree with the next. You don't have to agree with everything or disagree with everything- you can look at the individual ideas and take them on a case-by-case basis, which I believe is the most rational way of going about it.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Just my two cents. I know very good people who were Freemasons. I believe the organization was at one point not bad. It's been infiltrated by evil men with evil intent and has transformed into what we know today. It's now linked with "Illuminati" and NWO powers that be. Most organizations, philosophical ideas, and religions have been infiltrated at this point though.

The theosophists were not all bad in fact much of what they were teaching was against the demonic influences and they rightly taught against the materialist philosophy. They were very much about self-growth.
Where they failed is ironic.
Basically the theme of the light-bringer. This topic is one which is barely ever talked about or even acknowledged in any religion but I have seen it within sufi circles.
Basically, the idea is that the moment creation began, duality was born. In duality you have good and evil, so just like there is a supposed archetype of all good, there is also it's shadow ie evil.
The all-good is basically our higher self, the holy spirit, the wisdom within, buddhi, superconsciousness, known by various names. It is also known in islam as the nur-e-Mohammad (the Mohammedan reality). It is also linked various themes related to Brahma in hinduism but that's a lengthy topic.
Where the freemasons/theosophists went wrong was they did acknowledge the dualistic theme but they wrongly attributed the nature of evil to a single entity...ie like we have iblees in islam. Iblees is A satan but not exclusively the embodiment of all evil. Evil is not an entity, it is a state of consciousness. Since duality is linked, they then brought into a false philosophy of this entity as lucifer...ie the good side and shadow side. They also brought into the dualistic theme of brahma and shiva to come to terms with it.
There is also a lot of egyptian mythology in it too...but most of these themes are vague. The primary issue here is they are very specifically communicating with iblees and that is all that matters in the end.
Naturally he doesn't just give them an outright evil approach but deceives them.

End of the day, freemasonry might be a bunch of secret societies but various freemasons wrote a ton of books.

 

[Raquel]

unfortunately, the whole world and the mankind was created into luciferianism. Jesus knew it and that's why he hated the "church", the corrupt roman government and etc. He preached the truth and he is the only truth, all this ancients philosophers and thinkers had occult knowledge.

 

[Alice]

I think it is very possible that you are right and that there is Talmudic influence to Freud’s teachings. I have considered this before because one of the hallmarks of a talmudist is the sense of having a superior intelligence. This is manifested in comments about hand competing with his father. It is basically another way of saying “your so stupid you will believe anything.”

This opinion of stupidity is accentuated by the presence of Christianity which is essentially the same as being so stupid you will believe anything. That is basically the mental capacity of a person who becomes Christian, which would edify what you are saying about being a talmudist who aspired to target christianity.

However, with this reality there is also the reality that people have strongly opposed things oedipus theory to the point where they are more historical relics than legitimate theories within the psychology community. So whether or not this was his goal. He wasn’t successful and I also don’t know if I find his initiation of the subject of sexual repression is completely invalidated because his motives may have been poor.

Sexual repression is a legitimate reality if we consider being comfortable with our sexuality demonstrated by having self control or a sense of ownership of our bodies. When we consider the term sheeple, we recognize we are prone to suggestion as a society that allows other people to have some degree of control over us. If we were free from this, we wouldn’t need to try to gain control over our sexuality by seeking extremes between being slutty or prudish. So we could gain something from understanding the role of sexuality in creating boundaries and a healthy identity. However, we probably shouldn’t look to Freud as a leader for this journey.

I think the sabe thing.