Human Beings Are The Fallen Angels Who Fought Alongside Lucifer

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What you said is true on its own but it doesn't really have much to do with what I was asking, no offence. I remember reading in one of your (or one your friends') posts that women are more carnal than men, that they do not love the way men do in terms of a selfless spiritual overcoming a selfish physical . . . Which is observably wrong in the real world most of the time. And that's been the case throughout history. So what's your answer to that?
That we all have to learn to stop allowing ourselves from being conned (by the adversary) into viewing the differences that currently exist between us (Adams and Eves /men and women) as reasons for being adversarial.

Out of the two kids, you give the instructions to the one who is furthest along. Your concern is for the safety and welfare of both and your hope is that they will both follow it and be working together as a team, so that they will both be to able to successfully avoid the danger together and not steer the ship onto the rocks, but both make it back to the safe haven and in one piece.

The one that is furthest along is handed the instructions, because they have the best chance of being able to cope with the responsibility that comes with it, but it is still a partner-ship.
 






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That we all have to learn to stop allowing ourselves to be conned (by the adversary) into viewing the differences that currently exist between us (Adams and Eves /men and women) as reasons for being adversarial.

Out of the two kids, you give the instructions to the one who is furthest along, out of concern for the safety and welfare of both and in the hope that they will both follow it and work together as a team, so that they will be to able to successfully avoid the danger and not steer the ship onto the rocks, but be able to both make it back to the safe haven.

The one that is furthest along is handed the instructions, because they have the best chance of being able to cope with the responsibility that comes with it.
Okay but you still haven't been able to answer why you hold that men are still "further along" when they seem weaker in flesh. Am I wrong?
 






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Okay but you still haven't been able to answer why you hold that men are still "further along" when they seem weaker in flesh. Am I wrong?
Is God wrong, in having given the instruction to Adam (man)? Of course not. So, there is the answer. He doesn't make mistakes. The mistakes only happen whenever we don't trust Him and His Wisdom.
 






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Is God wrong, in having given the instruction to Adam (man)? Of course not. So, there is the answer. He doesn't make mistakes. The mistakes only happen whenever we don't trust Him and His Wisdom.
The problem isn't with God establishing an order of authority, its your faulty interpretation of the spiritual repercussions thereof. You had to add to God's instruction where the bible doesn't once agree with you -which is why you twist it. If men by default are all spiritually superior to women then it stands to reason that women would be the sex more inclined to freshly depravity. That has largely, throughout all of history, been proven to be categorically incorrect. But okay, you can't answer my question. Got it. Thanks for the conversation.
 






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The problem isn't with God establishing an order of authority, its your faulty interpretation of the spiritual repercussions thereof. You had to add to God's instruction where the bible doesn't once agree with you -which is why you twist it. If men by default are all spiritually superior to women then it stands to reason that women would be the sex more inclined to freshly depravity. That has largely, throughout all of history, been proven to be categorically incorrect. But okay, you can't answer my question. Got it. Thanks for the conversation.
Are you sure?
 






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You people run away from arguments you cannot answer.
Isn't that what you're actually doing though by ignoring the Scriptures which prove you are in error?

Its not about women's lib -its about the fact that your entire concept of gendered spirituality is unbiblical and boarders on incel-like mentality.
If women's lib isn't an issue, then why are you trying to argue that the two genders are equal (or really that the female gender is superior), when God clearly stated that they are NOT equal? Do you not realize you are contradicting yourself as well as the Bible?

If your doctrine is correct, answer me this: why would God allow a female judge and prophet even during the heavily patriarchal period of Israel (Deborah)? Why were women the first ones to witness Christ's resurrection?
It's not my doctrine; it is God's doctrine, as evidenced in the Scriptures that were quoted.

Do you think the two Marys being the first to greet the resurrected Christ, or Deborah serving as the only female judge and prophetess somehow negates, or is in contradiction to, God's doctrine?

With regard to Deborah, she apparently was the heir to her position, in accordance with The Law (see Num. 27:1-11).

With regard to the resurrection, do you not find it telling that Mary Magdelene and the other Mary did NOT initially recognize Christ (lacked the spiritual vision to see Him), until He called her by name and then sent her to inform His Disciples, all of whom were in male bodies?

You've also left out one of the most important woman in all of history: Teia Tephi (pictured as Britannia all over the UK).

And if you're not a coward, answer why men when separated from women devolve into greater levels of carnal depravity if they're spiritually higher?
Who was it that said that "men when separated from women devolve into greater levels of carnal depravity"? And who was it that said that if you will eat of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil you will become as gods? SAME ANSWER.

Why if men are supposed to lead women toward God and women lead men toward satan, are men far more easily manipulated by matters of the flesh WITH or WITHOUT a female influence (worse so without evidently)? Is that not closer proximity to the carnal?

That's all -don't run away, don't deflect.
You present your strawman argument or, more accurately put, you present Satan's ridiculous strawman argument for him, and don't even realize what you're doing. Or do you?

Again, who says men are far more easily manipulated by matters of the flesh? Wouldn't prostitution/the selling of one's flesh, which is likely 80+% female (if not higher) selling their flesh, suggest otherwise?

Not that long ago, studies conducted by the Family Research Council indicated that less than 1% of the population was actually sick enough to be homosexual, even though you're trying to portray most (if not all) men as having homosexual tendencies, which, as you should know, isn't true. You also know, or should know, that God considers homosexuality to be an ABOMINATION and a capital offense, as would any God-fearing man. Are most heterosexual men rapists in your twisted mind too?

Are you sure it isn't you deflecting from the Scriptures that CLEARLY state that the head of the woman is the man, and the head of the man is Christ, so that you can continue harboring all of this HATRED toward men?

Why do you think the Bible says this about these end-times?

Isaiah 4:1
4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will bake our own bread, and make our own clothes: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
4:2 In that day shall The Branch of the "I AM" be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them of Israel that are escaped.
4:3 And it shall come to pass, [that he that is] left in Zion, and [he that] remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, [even] every one that is written among the Living in Jerusalem:
4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the Spirit of Judgment, and by the Spirit of Burning.

Prove that your beliefs have merit by looking at how the world actually works and how female and male nature manifests itself in reality.

And the same Paul that you love to quote out of context also says

Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If one actually understands that we are all spiritual-Beings (which do NOT have a gender) that are temporarily incarnating these human animal bodies (which do have a gender), then what Paul has said makes perfect sense. No one can truly be IN Christ and not know these things, exactly as Christ said (John 3:3-7).

The fact that you are turning to the world for your answers and to support your viewpoint, while ignoring what the Scriptures actually say on the relationship between men and women according to our Creator, is yet further proof that women's natural tendency is to turn to the world/flesh/human ways first, instead of to the spiritual/Scriptural truth.

He also mentions several women who helped in the early church -in the closing chapter of his letter to the Romans Paul mentions no less than ten women, and Phoebe heads the list. Paul refers to Phoebe as “our sister”, a servant of the church and asks the Roman Christians to welcome her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints and to give her whatever assistance she may need. He also tells the Romans that Phoebe is a benefactor of many people, including himself. (Rom 16:1-2) This sound like a man who believed she was on a lower spiritual level?
Understood. In your mind does any of that contradict this (or anything else in Scripture for that matter)?

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
 






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Isn't that what you're actually doing though by ignoring the Scriptures which prove you are in error?
No . . . Again, you try to reconcile doctrines that categorically contradict each other and still believe you follow the true faith. And ironic . . . You haven't been able to answer anything I wrote about Paul OR his assertion in Galatians that we are all one (equal) in Christ.

If women's lib isn't an issue, then why are you trying to argue that the two genders are equal, when God clearly stated that they are NOT equal? Do you not realize you are contradicting yourself as well as the Bible?
Single scripture where God Himself says that the genders are not equal. I'll ask you to use some intelligence and recognise the difference between social structure and order (Jesus himself "served" his followers by washing their feet but this in no way diminished his value as lesser than them) and spiritual value.

It's not my doctrine; it is God's doctrine, as evidenced in the Scriptures that were quoted.
That you butchered through decontextualisation and human inference?

Do you think the two Marys being the first to greet the resurrected Christ, or Deborah serving as the only female judge and prophetess somehow negates, or is in contradiction to God's doctrine?
I think it is contradiction to YOURS.

With regard to Deborah, she apparently was the heir to her position, in accordance with The Law (see Num. 27:1-11).
And that changes anything because . . . ? She was still a woman that God clearly thought was capable of performing that role. Why would a female heir even be allowed to come into inheritance?

With regard to the resurrection, do you not find it telling that Mary Magdelene and the other Mary did NOT initially recognize Christ (lacked the spiritual vision to see Him), until He called her by name and then sent her to inform His Disciples, all of whom were in male bodies?
Do you not find it telling that his "male-bodied" disciples at first didn't believe even though he appeared to them? Mary didn't require proof of Jesus's wounds to believe he'd risen.

You've also left out one of the most important women in all of history: Teia Tephi (pictured as Britannia all over the UK).
Wrong thread buddy.

Who was it that said that "men when separated from women devolve into greater levels of carnal depravity"? And who was it that said that if you will eat of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil you will become as gods? SAME ANSWER.

What are you trying to say here? I said that the fact that male-exclusive communities like mainstream gay culture proves that you cannot lay the accusation of women being carnal and freshly or sexually depraved against history and modern culture. It proves not only your hypocrisy but your disconnect with what is actually going on in the world.

You present your strawman argument or, more accurately put, you present Satan's ridiculous strawman argument for him, and don't even realize what you're doing. Or do you?
Ah, yes, when you get challenged on the inconsistencies and inaccuracies of your doctrine, you immediately accuse the other person of being Satan's henchman. You expose yourself because this just confirms your beliefs are about as watertight as a sieve.

Again, who says men are far more easily manipulated by matters of the flesh? Wouldn't prostitution/the selling of one's flesh, which is likely 80+% female (if not higher) selling their flesh, suggest otherwise?
Lmao you shot yourself in the foot with that example. If you know anything about prostitution you'll know a sizable majority of cases present prostitutes being exploited against their will by pimps who are . . . Mostly men. Human trafficking? Who forms the majority of clientele? Men. Pornography? Who forms the vast majority of addicts? Men. Fetish clubs? Mostly men. Sexual addicts? Mostly men. Get it yet?

Not that long ago, less than 1% of the population is actually sick enough to be homosexual, even though you're trying to portray most (if not all) men as having homosexual tendencies, which, as you should know, isn't true. You also know, or should know, that God considers to be an ABOMINATION and a capital offense, as would any God-fearing man. Are most heterosexual men rapists in your twisted mind too?
I'm using this example as proof that carnal desires seem more prominent in men -this is usually the case. Yet you claim women are the lower and more fleshly sex. I don't know about that . . . You can look up countless stories of married (and often religious) family men who had devastating affairs with other men that ruined their families. Or the popularity of clubs specifically for straight-identified men to sleep with other men (MSM clubs). You very rarely hear about female equivalents. Women are not without fault, sin is abundant everywhere -I bring this up only to prove that your narrow little mindset is so far removed from reality. HUMAN BEINGS are sinful but you place men on a pedestal.

Are you sure it isn't you deflecting from the Scriptures that CLEARLY state that the head of the woman is the man, and the head of the man is Christ, so that you can continue harboring all of this HATRED toward men?
In the context of a marriage, sir. Every man is not the head of every women. God told Eve that her HUSBAND would rule over her. More evidence of you taking things out of context. On the contrary -I don't hate men. I respect masculinity and God's order but you twist it so far out that it looks repulsive.

Why do you think the Bible says this about these end-times?

Isaiah 4:1
4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will bake our own bread, and make our own clothes: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
4:2 In that day shall The Branch of the "I AM" be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them of Israel that are escaped.
4:3 And it shall come to pass, [that he that is] left in Zion, and [he that] remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, [even] every one that is written among the Living in Jerusalem:
4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the Spirit of Judgment, and by the Spirit of Burning.
You clearly have your own interpretation that should be pretty interesting to hear, so you wanna share?

If one actually understands that we are all spiritual-Beings (which do NOT have a gender) that are temporarily incarnating these human animal bodies (which do have a gender), then what Paul has said makes perfect sense. No one can truly be IN Christ and not know these things, exactly as Christ said (John 3:3-7).
I didn't invent a doctrine that made one sex (based on PHYSICAL distinction) of less spiritual value. The truly ironic thing is that your approach places more value on the physical than the spiritual.

The fact that you are turning to the world for your answers and to support your viewpoint, while ignoring what the Scriptures actually say on the relationship between men and women according to our Creator, is yet further proof that women's natural tendency is to turn to the world/flesh/human ways first, instead of to the spiritual/Scriptural truth.
Pointing out correlation between how a spiritul state impacts physical reality is what I'm doing. Common sense. Riddle me this: is the carnal not diametrically opposed to the spiritual? If so, how does that bode with the points I made above?

Understood. In yourmind does any of that contradict this (or anything else in Scripture for that matter)?

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
No, it doesn't because what Paul is doing in the scripture you provided is establishing the structure present in a marriage bond. It is not a commentary or designation of worth or spiritual value, clearly, as the examples I gave prove that.
 






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You're trying to argue that up is down, and black is white and that good is evil, and it will NEVER work.

Here is the natural order of this planet, according to our Creator (please note well that this is NOT just a "single scripture"):-

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be subject] to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the communities: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith The Law.
14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a disgrace for women to speak in the community.

Ephesians 5:22-29
5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the community: and he is the saviour of the body.
5:24 Therefore as the community is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the community, and gave himself for it;
5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of [Living] water by the Word,
5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious community, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the community:

1 Timothy 2:11-15
2:11 Let the woman learn in SILENCE with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to USURP authority over the man, but TO BE IN SILENCE.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Titus 2:4-5
2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their [husband's] children,
2:5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 3:1-6
3:1 Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the Word, they also may without the Word be won by the conversation of the wives;
3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear.
3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
3:4 But [let it be] the hidden Man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

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Our Creator gave us His Perfect Law of Liberty, found in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy). Those that remember who and what we are (spiritual-Beings), and are willing to humble themselves--by returning to keeping our Covenant Promise to God to obey Him and His Law ONLY--will live. Those who don't, won't (Mal. 4).

Anyone who tries to argue differently (i.e. the exact opposite, for their master Satan) does NOT have the Love of God/Truth in them.
 






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You're trying to argue that up is down, and black is white and that good is evil, and it will NEVER work.

Here is the natural order of this planet, according to our Creator (please note well that this is NOT just a "single scripture"):-

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be subject] to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the communities: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith The Law.
14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a disgrace for women to speak in the community.

Ephesians 5:22-29
5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the community: and he is the saviour of the body.
5:24 Therefore as the community is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the community, and gave himself for it;
5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of [Living] water by the Word,
5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious community, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the community:

1 Timothy 2:11-15
2:11 Let the woman learn in SILENCE with all subjection.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to USURP authority over the man, but TO BE IN SILENCE.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Titus 2:4-5
2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their [husband's] children,
2:5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 3:1-6
3:1 Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the Word, they also may without the Word be won by the conversation of the wives;
3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear.
3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
3:4 But [let it be] the hidden Man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

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Our Creator gave us His Perfect Law of Liberty, found in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy). Those that remember who and what we are (spiritual-Beings), and are willing to humble themselves--by returning to keeping our Covenant Promise to God to obey Him and His Law ONLY--will live. Those who don't, won't (Mal. 4).

Anyone who tries to argue differently (i.e. the exact opposite, for their master Satan) does NOT have the Love of God/Truth in them.
You take every single one of these out of context. You mandate marital order as a general gender dynamic. None of these scriptures even propose what you have added to scripture. Nowhere is there mentioned a spiritual hierarchy that values either sex as less. You cannot distinguish between social order and spiritual value. You ignore the entirety of my reply because you cannot reconcile your beliefs with reality. Your bait and switch tactic and appeal to accusing others of having ulterior motives in lieu of a decent rebuttal is the action of a coward. No doubt you will only reply with insults and further shoving your nonsensical bombast down my throat.
 






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You take every single one of these out of context. You mandate marital order as a general gender dynamic. None of these scriptures even propose what you have added to scripture. Nowhere is there mentioned a spiritual hierarchy that values either sex as less. You cannot distinguish between social order and spiritual value. You ignore the entirety of my reply because you cannot reconcile your beliefs with reality. Your bait and switch tactic and deferance to accusing others of having ulterior motives in lieu of a decent rebuttal is the action of a coward. No doubt you will only reply with insults and further shoving your nonsensical bombast down my throat.
If you're insulted by God's Word, then your problem is with Him, not me.
 






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If you're insulted by God's Word, then your problem is with Him, NOT me.
I love God's Word. My problem is with your satanic twisting of it. You are the one insulted it seems . . . So much so that like your friend, you cannot answer ANY of the questions I raised about how your interpretation of spirituality plays out in reality. If none of what I said was true, why don't you address it?
 






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I love God's Word. My problem is with your satanic twisting of it. You are the one insulted it seems . . . So much so that like your friend, you cannot answer ANY of the questions I raised about how your interpretation of spirituality plays out in reality. If none of what I said was true, why don't you address it?
You're doing it again Robin. Accusing others of doing what YOU are doing.

All that's been done is to quote God's Word. If you can actually read all of those verses and not see what the role of those inside of female bodies (and male one) should be, then you don't really love God's Word (the Truth), and you are the one who is satanically attempting to twist it to mean something other than what it says. Please think about that very carefully.

You keep talking about the world. Take a good look around. Do you think things are looking good please? Do you think we are better off with people so confused they can't look down their own britches to figure out what gender they are? Or a world filled with homosexuals and child predators? Do you like being on the brink of WW3 because a bunch of filthy rich oligarchs think it's time to get rid of the "useless eaters" (consumers) because they are so deluded they think they own this world?

Can you really not see that you are, in fact, arguing against those who are advocating we are on the WRONG path and need to return to obeying God ONLY? That is what you deem to be satanic and twisted, even though it obviously is the exact opposite.

The TRUTH, according to God's Word, is that we are IN PRISON (on death row actually) for our CRIMES (sins if you prefer that word), exactly as we are repeatedly reminded throughout Scripture. 99.998% of the Souls in this world - those in male and female bodies - are going into The Fire on Judgment Day (SOON) for their continued rebellion against God and His Word, which of course includes His Perfect Law (what God has defined as right/good and wrong/evil).

Do I wish to lord it over you because you are currently in a female body and I'm in a male one? No. This information is shared out of love and respect for you and others, regardless of what gender the human you're incarnating is, to hopefully keep YOU, and others who may be reading this, out of The Fire. In the words of Rodney King, "why can't we all just get along?".

The reason for all of this arguing is simple: egos. There are reportedly 7+ billion in this prison who all have their own opinions about what is right and wrong, and ALL of us are WRONG. Only God is right, and the sooner people wake-up, come to their senses, and admit they know NOTHING, the better off all of us will be. Just look at what a mess we've made of this beautiful world.

Please stop looking for something to argue about and start doing what we've been COMMANDED to do for Christ's sake, for those closest to you and and for your own sake.

God Bless.
 






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You're doing it again Robin. Accusing others of doing what YOU are doing.

All that's been done is to quote God's Word. If you can actually read all of those verses and not see what the role of those inside of female bodies (and male one) should be, then you don't really love God's Word (the Truth), and you are the one who is satanically attempting to twist it to mean something other than what it says. Please think about that very carefully.
I do not recall reading anywhere in God's Word any of the spiel you put forth about different spiritual levels according to gender. Not once. I am not the one projecting a personal reading onto scripture -if what you say is true, then women would not have been allowed to rule with men having domion over creation before the Fall. A wife's submission to her husband would've been in place before the Fall, not instituted as a punishment after. Women would not have been allowed to help the early church. A woman would not have been allowed to be a judge and prophet. Women would not be granted spiritual gifts alongside men.

Acts 2:17-18
17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons AND YOUR DAUGHTERS shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants AND IN MY MAIDSERVANTS
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy."

How would this be possible if women were given a different spiritual inheritance than men? All the scriptures you mention refer to earthly social roles. Not spiritual ones. There is a difference.

You keep talking about the world. Take a good look around. Do you think things are looking good please? Do you think we are better off with people so confused they can't look down their own britches to figure out what gender they are? Or a world filled with homosexuals and child predators? Do you like being on the brink of WW3 because a bunch of filthy rich oligarchs think it's time to get rid of the "useless eaters" (consumers) because they are so deluded they think they own this world?
I talk about the world because when you and your friends talk about the depravity of the world, you list women as the root cause. I remember reading from YOUR posts that women are more carnal than men and using modern-day examples to validate it. I simply debunked it because it is, in fact, wrong. The way you characterise female nature is wrong and you use worldly examples that are ungrounded in observable reality, but when confronted with arguments on that same tangent that question male nature, you balk and can't engage with it.

Can you really not see that you are, in fact, arguing against those who are advocating we are on the WRONG path and need to return to obeying God ONLY? That is what you deem to be satanic and twisted, even though it obviously is the exact opposite.
No, I am simply stating my disagreement where I can see your assertions are incorrect.

The TRUTH, according to God's Word, is that we are IN PRISON (on death row actually) for our CRIMES (sins if you prefer that word), exactly as we are repeatedly reminded throughout Scripture. 99.998% of the Souls in this world - those in male and female bodies - are going into The Fire on Judgment Day (SOON) for their continued rebellion against God and His Word, which of course includes His Perfect Law (what God has defined as right/good and wrong/evil).
This has nothing to do with anything. Changing the goal posts and focus of conversation.


Do I wish to lord it over you because you are currently in a female body and I'm in a male one? No. This information is shared out of love and respect for you and others, regardless of what gender the human you're incarnating is, to hopefully keep YOU, and others who may be reading this, out of The Fire. In the words of Rodney King, "why can't we all just get along?".
We could get along if you would answer my questions honestly instead of ducking away from them.

The reason for all of this arguing is simple: egos. There are reportedly 7+ billion in this prison who all have their own opinions about what is right and wrong, and ALL of us are WRONG. Only God is right, and the sooner people wake-up, come to their senses, and admit they know NOTHING, the better off all of us will be. Just look at what a mess we've made of this beautiful world.
The reason for arguing is that we have been warned against false doctrine and men heaping up false teachers for themselves. We've been warned against false Christs and increased deceptions and this platform is a means of facilitating debate about such subjects. I think the conversation has been kept respectful so far. It's not arguing for the sake of arguing.

Please stop looking for something to argue about and start doing what we've been COMMANDED to do for Christ's sake, for those closest to you and and for your own sake.
Is this your way of admitting you don't have answers? I'll conceded then.

God Bless.
God bless you too.
 






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I'm sure that God's ordinances are perfect,
Professing it to be so is not going to be enough for any of us.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.


TWH 9:47 In order to serve only God, which is the first and most important of The COMMANDments,
and to do His Will, they would have to learn to communicate with Him, so He could teach them how
to, “Be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven IS perfect”.
9:48 IF people did this, they would reap the benefit from Divine Wisdom; Love; Law and Justice;
instead of the evil, that comes from the rule of men, who are guided by Satan and his selfish; hateful;
greedy; unjust and destructive ways.
 






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Professing it to be so is not going to be enough for any of us.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.


TWH 9:47 In order to serve only God, which is the first and most important of The COMMANDments,
and to do His Will, they would have to learn to communicate with Him, so He could teach them how
to, “Be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven IS perfect”.
9:48 IF people did this, they would reap the benefit from Divine Wisdom; Love; Law and Justice;
instead of the evil, that comes from the rule of men, who are guided by Satan and his selfish; hateful;
greedy; unjust and destructive ways.
Is the proof judged according to your man-ordained version of the bible or the text itself? Your version, which goes off of translation provided by someone without the necessary credentials to decipher ancient language? Or who uses colour to make a spiritual point, without realising that the (according to you guys) chosen evil feminine colour red and pink were historically MALE colours? Do you see why it's difficult for me to take what you say seriously? I hope none of what I've said gets taken in disrespect, people on here are free to believe and dig into whatever they choose and it's not my intent to disrespect your beliefs. Those are just qualms that none of you have been able to answer and it makes taking your staunch views difficult when they're left unresolved.
 






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Is the proof judged according to your man-ordained version of the bible or the text itself? Your version, which goes off of translation provided by someone without the necessary credentials to decipher ancient language? Or who uses colour to make a spiritual point, without realising that the (according to you guys) chosen evil feminine colour red and pink were historically MALE colours? Do you see why it's difficult for me to take what you say seriously? I hope none of what I've said gets taken in disrespect, people on here are free to believe and dig into whatever they choose and it's not my intent to disrespect your beliefs. Those are just qualms that none of you have been able to answer and it makes taking your staunch views difficult when they're left unresolved.
The red/scarlet uniforms that they got dressed up in, were prophesied through the prophet Nahum.

Nahum
2:2 For the "I AM" hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men [are] in scarlet: the chariots [shall be] with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
 






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The red/scarlet uniforms that they got dressed up in, were prophesied through the prophet Nahum.

Nahum
2:2 For the "I AM" hath turned away the excellency of Jacob, as the excellency of Israel: for the emptiers have emptied them out, and marred their vine branches.
2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men [are] in scarlet: the chariots [shall be] with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
Can I please ask you to paste what Jah says about the male-female red-blue distinction if its not too much trouble?
 






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I do not recall reading anywhere in God's Word any of the spiel you put forth about different spiritual levels according to gender.
Then you are blind, either willfully or otherwise.. Read the verses that have been shared again.

Not once. I am not the one projecting a personal reading onto scripture -if what you say is true, then women would not have been allowed to rule with men having domion over creation before the Fall. A wife's submission to her husband would've been in place before the Fall, not instituted as a punishment after. Women would not have been allowed to help the early church. A woman would not have been allowed to be a judge and prophet. Women would not be granted spiritual gifts alongside men.
All of the above is you projecting your opinion into Scripture, which is in direct contradiction with it. You just don't "see" it.

Acts 2:17-18
17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons AND YOUR DAUGHTERS shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants AND IN MY MAIDSERVANTS
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy."

How would this be possible if women were given a different spiritual inheritance than men? All the scriptures you mention refer to earthly social roles. Not spiritual ones. There is a difference.
Again, you are projecting your personal opinion into the Scriptures, which are in contradiction to them.

Every single earthly, social role has a SPIRITUAL reason. The spiritual often, if not always, manifests itself in the physical. That's what you seem to be missing.

There is nothing that precludes spirit-Beings (Souls) in female bodies from being awakened to what is going on in this world. Not only is that happening, but some are personally known. But that still does NOT mean that they are on the same spiritual level as those awakened Souls in male bodies, which are able to go to a place that is IMPOSSIBLE for those in a female body to go.

Do you think the prophets of old were on the same level as the rest of the people who routinely ignored them and/or persecuted them? Do you think the Levitical priesthood was meant to be spiritually on the same level as the rest of the people? They were meant to FEED the people with God's Word (physically manifested in the wilderness of sin with manna from heaven). There are obviously different spiritual levels, just as there are varying degrees of evil. What you seem to be struggling with is the obvious gender connection.

Did you miss the fact that all of the Levitical priests were men? Did you miss the fact that all of the disciples were men? Did you miss the fact that Jesus was a man? Do you think this is all just a coincidence?

In your(?) mind you've decided that the quoted verses don't mean what they clearly say, e.g. 1 Cor. 11:3, which obviously is NOT speaking about earthly roles, as it includes both God (Who art in Heaven) and His Christ (Who was SENT from Heaven). How is it you cannot "see" this? Still asleep perhaps?

I talk about the world because when you and your friends talk about the depravity of the world, you list women as the root cause.
No, we don't. The root cause of evil and depravity in this world is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis/the devil/red dragon/serpent. The only thing that's been pointed out is that women (those Souls in female bodies) are more easily manipulated and deceived by Satan, which is exactly what we're told in Scripture, over and over again. Read the verses that were previously shared again before you allow Satan to con you into arguing against that obvious TRUTH.

I remember reading from YOUR posts that women are more carnal than men and using modern-day examples to validate it. I simply debunked it because it is, in fact, wrong.
In your mind, which obviously is seeing everything upside down and backwards, through human eyes.

The way you characterise female nature is wrong and you use worldly examples that are ungrounded in observable reality, but when confronted with arguments on that same tangent that question male nature, you balk and can't engage with it.
We have 6000 years of human history, which prove you are in error. The only thing that keeps you from seeing it is your massive ego.

All of your questions have been answered; you just continue to question the answers because you think you know better than God what the role of male and female humans should be. That's why YOU are promoting the FALSE doctrine of satanic gender equality, whether you realize it or not.

If you don't believe God's Word, then why would you believe anything that is personally shared with you, which is all directly from His Word?

God Bless.
 






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Then you are blind, either willfully or otherwise.. Read the verses that have been shared again.
If it cannot be picked up by simple straight-foreward reading then it means something must be interpreted. Which leads to subjectivity if not done correctly. Nothing in any of the scriptures you posted say what you do.

All of the above is you projecting your opinion into Scripture, which is in direct contradiction with it. You just don't "see" it.
Same tactic to cover weak arguments.

Again, you are projecting your personal opinion into the Scriptures, which are in contradiction to them.

Every single earthly, social role has a SPIRITUAL reason. The spiritual often, if not always, manifests itself in the physical. That's what you seem to be missing.
This is EXACTLY the point I was making in bringing up male depravity but you STILL cannot answer it. Truth does not fear scrutiny -answer is all I ask. Prove you are a man of higher spiritual aptitude and answer my questions.

There is nothing that precludes spirit-Beings (Souls) in female bodies from being awakened to what is going on in this world. Not only is that happening, but some are personally known. But that still does NOT mean that they are on the same spiritual level as those awakened Souls in male bodies, which are able to go to a place that is IMPOSSIBLE for those in a female body to go.
Where is this found in scripture?

Did you miss the fact that all of the Levitical priests were men? Did you miss the fact that all of the disciples were men? Did you miss the fact that Jesus was a man? Do you think this is all just a coincidence?
Does the bible expand on why or are you projecting your hatred of women onto it? It's never stated but could have been for any number of reasons . . . A representative symbol of the 12 sons of Israel? The cultural jurisdiction of the time that would have frowned upon Jesus and his male followers spending a great amount of time with women and in intimate settings? When it comes to his relationship with women, Jesus was a radical revolutionary for his time. He had an intimate conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well, even though she was Samaritan and a woman of ill repute. Jesus’ sensitivity to the needs of women and his willingness to talk to them is truly striking in light of the attitude of Jewish men toward women at that time. A number of his closest associates were women and these women funded his ministry. The point is that God does not tell us -the inherently gendered slant is one you make on your own.

In your(?) mind you've decided that the quoted verses don't mean what they clearly say, e.g. 1 Cor. 11:3, which obviously is NOT speaking about earthly roles, as it includes both God (Who art in Heaven) and His Christ (Who was SENT from Heaven). How is it you cannot "see" this? Still asleep perhaps?
Does your doctrine not state that our gendered bodies are restricted to this earth? So why would a gender distinction refer to spiritual roles in the context of not only physically-derived distinctions but the earthly institution of marriage?

No, we don't. The root cause of evil and depravity in this world is Lucifer/Satan/Iblis/the devil/red dragon/serpent. The only thing that's been pointed out is that women (those Souls in female bodies) are more easily manipulated and deceived by Satan, which is exactly what we're told in Scripture, over and over again. Read the verses that were previously shared again before you allow Satan to con you into arguing against that obvious TRUTH.
Not what I've seen . . . Your friend even posted an extract from the site talking about how women dressing provocatively awakens the baseanimal instincts in men leading to higher instances of r*pe of women AND CHILDREN. Who is more easily led by Satan? Who cannot see the obvious? Same answer.

In your mind, which obviously is seeing everything upside down and backwards, through human eyes.
Alright.

We have 6000 years of human history, which prove you are in error. The only thing that keeps you from seeing it is your massive ego.
You mean 6000 years of men pillaging, raping, commiting acts of violence against their neighbours and being at the forefront of sexual depravity?

All of your questions have been answered; you just continue to question the answers because you think you know better than God what the role of male and female humans should be. That's why YOU are promoting the FALSE doctrine of satanic gender equality, whether you realize it or not.
Literally none of them have been answered but okay. I'm used to you running and deflecting from what you cannot answer.

If you don't believe God's Word, then why would you believe anything that is personally shared with you, which is all directly from His Word?

God Bless.
Because virtually none of what you spew is directly from his Word.
 






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