How To Deal With Trolls

Tatilina

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You can’t win an argument with a troll
There are trolls online. Not the fairytale kind that sits under bridges: we’re talking about the mean, nasty individuals who use online anonymity to be cruel, spread their own brand of hate, destroy reputations and products, and generally try to upset and crush as many people and companies as they possibly can.

Trolls agitate to start fights between friends or strangers; they torment those struggling with illnesses or with the loss of a loved one, people unsure of their identity or their looks, or any other weakness a troll can find. They disrupt forums with off-topic comments, brag nonstop about themselves, ridicule the thoughts of others or insert controversial comments to disrupt conversations.

Trolls spread lies, deceive and cause damage, and they enjoy every minute they can make someone else miserable. They may be obnoxious teens, but more often than not they’re seemingly “normal” adults who use internet anonymity to shed their veneer of decency and show their ugly selves. Trolls are basically cyberbullies on steroids – cowards afraid to show their face but nastier and more dedicated than garden-variety bullies. They are often fairly tech savvy, willing to dig up a comment or information from your past to distort, thereby “justifying” their actions.

If you’ve spent any time online, you’ve probably run across trolls even if you didn’t know the term. You may have tried to reason with them, be nice to them or virtually shout back at them. Don’t bother. You’re more likely to win an argument with a tree than you are with a troll.

What trolls need
In order to attack others, trolls need a victim pool and a public forum of some kind, and they usually want an audience.

This means trolls gravitate to anywhere online users interact - like blog sites, social networks, multiplayer games, discussion forums, hobby sites and so on. They are found on sites that primarily target adults like news sites, company sites and forums, and they thrive on sites with lots of kids and teens who may be particularly vulnerable to attack - unless there is a strong moderator that can control their behavior or kick them off a site.

Tackling trolls
While you can’t control whether you will become a troll’s target, you can decide if you will make yourself a troll’s victim. Knowing that the troll’s goal is to embarrass, humiliate, ridicule, demean and shame you, you have a choice about how you are going to react.

You can either be devastated, angry, or whatever emotion they want you to feel, or you can look at the attack for what it is – a mean person being mean. It isn’t personal if you refuse to take it personally. Recognize that the troll is the one with the problem. If the attack is directed at you exclusively, via email or as a comment on your site, document it so you can report the abuse, then delete and forget it.

If the attack is directed at you on a public site, understand that the troll’s “audience” – other participants in the conversation such as forum members, social network contacts or other gamers – can see the troll’s behavior as the vicious attack it is. We all learned at an early age how to identify mean, nasty people.

Call out their behavior. Many people recommend you simply ignore trolls and don’t respond in any way, but this gives the trolls even more power as it gives them the power to silence you. Instead, ignore the troll but address the problem with the “audience” in a matter of fact way. Do NOT respond in a manner that stoops to the troll’s level or you risk two outcomes: 1) Feeding the troll and engaging in an unwinnable argument that will escalate, or 2) having the “audience” see you as another irritant/troll rather than as the balanced, decent and aggrieved party.

Frame your comment to the group along the lines of “Wow. Looks like we’ve got a troll trying to attack people on this site, derail meaningful dialog and control our conversation. I suggest that this forum doesn’t give them that power by ignoring their unproductive comments and continuing our discussion, or even take a moment to create a guideline for how we want to deal with trolls.”

Understand that where there’s one troll, there may be many more waiting to pounce once the first troll has started. All too frequently, you see cases where others pile on with additional nasty comments. This just means there may be more than one troll that needs ignoring.

Alert the site moderator if there is one, but even on unmediated sites there is usually a “report abuse” feature. Sometimes this is found directly on the discussion page, other times – like with Facebook – you first go to the help center using the help link at the bottom of the page, then select “report abuse,” and file a bullying report.

Take time for self-care
It is fairly easy to understand that the troll is the person with the problem, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy to let vicious comments roll off if your “Teflon” layer isn’t thick enough. Even journalists, politicians and movie stars who have had years in the media spotlight where troll-attacks are everyday events sometimes feel the sting of a particularly nasty interaction.

So take time for self-care and reach out in ways that the troll cannot influence the people who love and support you. People who will tell you – repeatedly if needed – that the comments aren’t true, that you’re wonderful and that the troll is just a troll, not a reflection of you.

https://www.webroot.com/in/en/home/resources/tips/pc-security/you-cant-win-an-argument-with-a-troll
 

Biotio

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You can’t win an argument with a troll
There are trolls online. Not the fairytale kind that sits under bridges: we’re talking about the mean, nasty individuals who use online anonymity to be cruel, spread their own brand of hate, destroy reputations and products, and generally try to upset and crush as many people and companies as they possibly can.

Trolls agitate to start fights between friends or strangers; they torment those struggling with illnesses or with the loss of a loved one, people unsure of their identity or their looks, or any other weakness a troll can find. They disrupt forums with off-topic comments, brag nonstop about themselves, ridicule the thoughts of others or insert controversial comments to disrupt conversations.

Trolls spread lies, deceive and cause damage, and they enjoy every minute they can make someone else miserable. They may be obnoxious teens, but more often than not they’re seemingly “normal” adults who use internet anonymity to shed their veneer of decency and show their ugly selves. Trolls are basically cyberbullies on steroids – cowards afraid to show their face but nastier and more dedicated than garden-variety bullies. They are often fairly tech savvy, willing to dig up a comment or information from your past to distort, thereby “justifying” their actions.

If you’ve spent any time online, you’ve probably run across trolls even if you didn’t know the term. You may have tried to reason with them, be nice to them or virtually shout back at them. Don’t bother. You’re more likely to win an argument with a tree than you are with a troll.

What trolls need
In order to attack others, trolls need a victim pool and a public forum of some kind, and they usually want an audience.

This means trolls gravitate to anywhere online users interact - like blog sites, social networks, multiplayer games, discussion forums, hobby sites and so on. They are found on sites that primarily target adults like news sites, company sites and forums, and they thrive on sites with lots of kids and teens who may be particularly vulnerable to attack - unless there is a strong moderator that can control their behavior or kick them off a site.

Tackling trolls
While you can’t control whether you will become a troll’s target, you can decide if you will make yourself a troll’s victim. Knowing that the troll’s goal is to embarrass, humiliate, ridicule, demean and shame you, you have a choice about how you are going to react.

You can either be devastated, angry, or whatever emotion they want you to feel, or you can look at the attack for what it is – a mean person being mean. It isn’t personal if you refuse to take it personally. Recognize that the troll is the one with the problem. If the attack is directed at you exclusively, via email or as a comment on your site, document it so you can report the abuse, then delete and forget it.

If the attack is directed at you on a public site, understand that the troll’s “audience” – other participants in the conversation such as forum members, social network contacts or other gamers – can see the troll’s behavior as the vicious attack it is. We all learned at an early age how to identify mean, nasty people.

Call out their behavior. Many people recommend you simply ignore trolls and don’t respond in any way, but this gives the trolls even more power as it gives them the power to silence you. Instead, ignore the troll but address the problem with the “audience” in a matter of fact way. Do NOT respond in a manner that stoops to the troll’s level or you risk two outcomes: 1) Feeding the troll and engaging in an unwinnable argument that will escalate, or 2) having the “audience” see you as another irritant/troll rather than as the balanced, decent and aggrieved party.

Frame your comment to the group along the lines of “Wow. Looks like we’ve got a troll trying to attack people on this site, derail meaningful dialog and control our conversation. I suggest that this forum doesn’t give them that power by ignoring their unproductive comments and continuing our discussion, or even take a moment to create a guideline for how we want to deal with trolls.”

Understand that where there’s one troll, there may be many more waiting to pounce once the first troll has started. All too frequently, you see cases where others pile on with additional nasty comments. This just means there may be more than one troll that needs ignoring.

Alert the site moderator if there is one, but even on unmediated sites there is usually a “report abuse” feature. Sometimes this is found directly on the discussion page, other times – like with Facebook – you first go to the help center using the help link at the bottom of the page, then select “report abuse,” and file a bullying report.

Take time for self-care
It is fairly easy to understand that the troll is the person with the problem, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy to let vicious comments roll off if your “Teflon” layer isn’t thick enough. Even journalists, politicians and movie stars who have had years in the media spotlight where troll-attacks are everyday events sometimes feel the sting of a particularly nasty interaction.

So take time for self-care and reach out in ways that the troll cannot influence the people who love and support you. People who will tell you – repeatedly if needed – that the comments aren’t true, that you’re wonderful and that the troll is just a troll, not a reflection of you.

https://www.webroot.com/in/en/home/resources/tips/pc-security/you-cant-win-an-argument-with-a-troll
What perfect timing. I was just about to post a new thread on the topic of shills, which I believe is the same as a trolls. The information provided, and broken down, gives a clear outline and guidance on how to handle these nasty creatures (trolls / shills).

Breaking this down, I read that Wikipedia states that:
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization. Shills can carry out their operations in the areas of media, journalism, marketing, confidence games, or other business areas. A shill may also act to discredit opponents or critics of the person or organization in which they have a vested interest through character assassination or other means.

Come to think of it, I have sensed many shills / trolls in my time on the internet. Some as recent as the other day on the "Transgender Agenda" threads (https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-transgender-agenda-hidden-in-plain-sight.245/ & https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/transvestigation.346/) that have been commented on recently. The intention was to discredit what information was being presented, which is there to benefit readers to do their own research and come to their own conclusions on this topic.

I came across an interesting video today which breaks this down even more. It only goes for a bit over 6 minutes. Then have a read of the interesting comments. Video is titled - The EASIEST Method to Spot a Shill - The J-Word

What do others think (no trolls or shills or stooges or such people allowed to comment - you know who you are)...?
 

Tatilina

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I think they are sociopaths and psychopaths, they are sick because they enjoy and take pleasure in causing people deep pain. They get off on causing mentally, verbally and emotional abuse and distress.

10 traits of a psychopath

This still gives all the signs of a sociopath
 

Tatilina

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I bet a lot of us have done it in the past.
I did once on an actual thread about trolling. I can't remember how I introduced the need for faith now but it got the atheists got really mad. At the time I thought that was funny.
It was mixed motives- yes I hang my head in shame.
I like to joke around, but I never troll
people because I can see how it upsets people, plus I've had it done to me about some pretty sensitive issues I was facing. It really does depend if a troll is making it personal and personally targeting and sttacking you. I've seen some mild trolling just making fun of a situation but not going overboard to the extremes. Some trolls can be harmless, its the ones who are out to intentionally hurt people that I'm warning about. I want to bring awareness to people so thry know what to look for and watch out so they can avoid falling into their traps. The best thing to do is never feed the trolls. It's hard not to though because it's natural to want to defend ourselves or what we believe. But sometimes its not worth it.
 

Biotio

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I bet a lot of us have done it in the past.
I did once on an actual thread about trolling. I can't remember how I introduced the need for faith now but it got the atheists got really mad. At the time I thought that was funny.
It was mixed motives- yes I hang my head in shame.
There are those whose intention is to derail the thread or change the direction of the topic at hand...to simply put, are paid good $$$ to post these types of comments, as this is their job. So I think that most who are guilty of trolling here and there, I bet there are those who do this on automatic pilot - to them its a job.:eek:
Which is no different to bullying in the playground, only difference here is that those trolls / shills hide anonymously behind a computer screen.
 

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Wasnt this thread already deleted or something just a few days ago?
No, no such thread about trolls was made a few days ago. I think you are confused with the sock puppet account thread that is still in the den, the one I requested to be locked, which it was.
 

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There are those whose intention is to derail the thread or change the direction of the topic at hand...to simply put, are paid good $$$ to post these types of comments, as this is their job. So I think that most who are guilty of trolling here and there, I bet there are those who do this on automatic pilot - to them its a job.:eek:
Which is no different to bullying in the playground, only difference here is that those trolls / shills hide anonymously behind a computer screen.
An actual paid job or compulsive hobby for losers?
 
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