So basically
@JoChris you are absolutely guilty of misinterpreting Revelation
You begin by saying
"Look at Verse 11:
Jesus is saying He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending."
ok so let's go to the beginning
Rev 1
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
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his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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4 John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spiritsa]">[a] before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness
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To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father
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8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
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the word of God and the testimony of Jesus
Do you know what a religious testimony is?
a public recounting of a religious conversion or experience.
Jesus being the messenger, not the source.
Btw you've never really thought through the metaphysics of being the "First and the Last"
in my understanding of metaphysics
the first level represents the Essence of God, this is the Transcendent aspect of God
the second level represents the eternal Expression of God (which we call the Word/son/Image of God),
The third level is where the expression is manifested, where causation happens, where time begins. This is the Immanent aspect of God.
So any reference to the First and the Last is a reference to His Immanence
in that respect you can apply it to the Son or the Holy Spirit but as representations of God's Immanence.
When I speak of God, I speak of God as both the Transcendent AND the Immanent.
The Son, is not the Transcedent and therefore not God, but the expression of God basically.
My method remains consistent with all of scripture
your method is obviously contradictory and lacking insight.
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Rev 3
12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God
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These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation
just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Furthermore it also shows that John of Patmos DID NOT have the best understanding of the Oneness of God, so when I read the contents of Rev 22, i see the vision as 'true' but John's own perception as flawed.
And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
despite every proof given to you already, i know how you think, it's a weak willed trick you've convinced yourself to repeat
John 9:38
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
what you have to take into account is, the perception of the witness, the one who wrote the book......assume it's the same John who wrote the Gospel of john and Revelation....
Basically when you take into account the immanent aspect of God, the man who John SAW 'worshipping Jesus'..only appeared to worship Jesus, where was that man's heart/mind? ie it's like when muslims bow facing the Kaba.
Jesus is the temple of God, right?
John was basically taught theology by an angel, it shows he didn't have the best understanding so when you read his words you have to take into account his level of perception.
So when you quote from Revelation or any part of the bible...your argument has to be consistent and built on a solid foundation. It's fairly obvious you lack that.
