How Christ will Return

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Summary: What will Christ's return look like?

Christ returning in glory is the hope of the Church. Jesus said, “I will come again” (John 14:3). This promise will be fulfilled. The return of Christ is the event that will finally release the people who love God and seek to honour Him from Satan's earthly rule:

"To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation" (Hebrews 9:28).

Although Jesus did not tell us every detail about His Second Coming, His Word does give us some clues about how He will return. When Jesus left to go back to heaven after His resurrection, two angels stood by the disciples and gave them important information about Christ’s Second Coming:

"...while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:9-11 emphasis added).

We can glean three vital pieces of information from the Scriptures:


1. Christ will come in the clouds with His angels.

Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds symbolize the angels of God that will surround Him, as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism:

"The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as is Sinai, in the holy place" (Psalm 68:17).

"…who maketh the clouds his chariots; who walketh upon the wings of the wind" (Psalm 104:3).

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Matthew 24:30).

The glory of Christ's coming will surpass anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and the Godhead: “when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels” (Luke 9:26).

For further information see Matthew 25:31 and 26:64; Mark 13:26 and 14:62; Revelation 1:7; and 2 Thessalonians 1:7.


2. The Second Coming will be audible and universally visible.

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matthew 24:31).

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God" (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him" (Revelation 1:7).

When Christ returns, every person in every nation will see Him. In fact, Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible:

"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matthew 24:26-27).


3. The Lord will not come down to the earth, but will await the redeemed in the sky.

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." (Matthew 24:31).

At the Second Coming, Christ will call forth the dead and send forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they will meet Him in the air. Christ Himself will not come down to the earth—His feet will not touch the earth. He commands His angels, “Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice” (Psalm 50:5).

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What will Happen to God's People when Christ Returns?
Summary: Christ promised that He will return to gather His living and dead followers. What will that look like?

Christ is coming to retrieve His righteous followers, both living and dead:


The Dead Followers will be Raised

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Only those who have given their lives to Jesus and submitted to His authority will be resurrected at the Second Coming.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat up on them, and judgment was given unto them...But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection" (Revelation 20:4-6).

In John 5:28-29, Christ tells us that all shall hear His voice. He talks of two resurrections: "the resurrection of life," and "the resurrection of damnation." These two events are separated by a thousand years. The followers of God are to be raised at the first resurrection, or “the resurrection of life.” The rejecters of God will not be raised until the thousand years are finished, at the second resurrection or “the resurrection of damnation.”


The Living Followers will be Translated

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

The living people of God, "we which are alive," will be gathered together with the resurrected righteous to meet the Lord in the air. The living followers will not taste death, but will be translated as Enoch and Elijah were (Genesis 5:24; 2 Kings 2:11).

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54).

The living will be changed at the last trumpet. Our bodies will be changed into the likeness of His glorious body. For more information see Philippians 3:20-21, 1 John 3:2-3, and Isaiah 25:8-9.

 

[Thunderian]

The Lord will not come down to the earth, but will await the redeemed in the sky

Does he ever come down to earth again?

 

[phipps]

Does he ever come down to earth again?

Yes, when the holy city (New Jerusalem) will come down to earth after the 1000 years. Some people call it the third coming. For the second coming Jesus will return for His saints and the third time He will return with His saints. Here is biblical scripture about it.

Revelation 21:2-3, Zechariah 14:1, 4, 5, 10, Revelation 20:7-9.

 

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Signs of the Second Coming in Today's World

The Scripture gives many signs that will tell us when the return of Christ is near. These signs are prevalent in our world today:

• An increase in knowledge (Daniel 12:4).
• An increase in demonic activity (Revelation 16:13-14, 1 Timothy 4:1-7)
• An increase in lawlessness (2 Timothy 3:1-7)
• Departure from the faith (2 Timothy 4:3-4)
• Rise of false teachings such as evolution (2 Peter 3:3-7)
• Rise of false christs (Matthew 24:4-24)
• Increase in traffic and modern transportation (Nahum 2:4)
• Poverty and economic instability (James 5:3-4)

Violence

Jesus also predicted that tension between nations would increase prior to the Second Coming.

"And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold" (Matthew 24:12).

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places" (Matthew 24:7).

The Greek word for “nation” used here is ethnos, from which we get the word ethnic. Sadly, there may be talk of peace today, but ethnic violence is rife.

Moral Decay

During the time just before Christ’s Coming, moral corruption and intemperance will abound.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

The Bible also tells us that before Christ’s Second Coming, many will be indifferent to these warnings:

"But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be" (Matthew 24:37-39).

Fear

"…men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth…" (Luke 21:26).

There will be a growing fear amongst people on Earth, as they contemplate the future of the planet and their own way of life.
The escalation of fear in our society is marked. This includes not only fear from the peril of increased violence, but also terrorism, globalism, governmental control, economic failure, and disaster. A strange mixture of indifference and fear characterizes our time.

Be Alert

Of all these signs, the one with the greatest finality is this:

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14).

We are admonished to study the signs and to pay attention (Matthew 24:32-35). However, no one knows the time or the hour of Christ's return (Matthew 24:36, 25:13). The Bible does state that this event will take place at midnight, but this could simply mean the final moment. However, legislative decrees of governments also come into effect at midnight and universal decrees are legislated according to midnight at specific longitudes.

Since we cannot determine a specific time for Christ’s coming, all this tells us is that God will destroy sin at the final moment. We can see this through types and examples in the Bible:

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt" (Exodus 12:29).

"In a moment shall they die, and the people shall be troubled at midnight, and pass away: and the mighty shall be taken away without hand" (Job 34:20).

"And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him" (Matthew 25:6).

Strange as it may seem, few mainline Christian churches teach the Biblical Coming of Christ today. Most churches, if they preach about the Second Coming at all, preach a coming of Christ that will bring peace to the nations, but the Bible teaches a destruction of nations. They preach conversion of sinners at the coming of Christ when the Bible teaches that Christ will come to destroy sin and sinners. Let us carefully examine the evidence.

 

[Thunderian]

Yes, when the holy city (New Jerusalem) will come down to earth after the 1000. Some people call it the third coming. The second coming Jesus will return for His saints and the third time He will return with His saints.

When do the events of Isaiah 2 take place?

Isa 2:2​

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.​

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Isa 2:3​

And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.​

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Isa 2:4​

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​

 

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When do the events of Isaiah 2 take place?

Isa 2:2​

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.​

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Isa 2:3​

And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.​

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Isa 2:4​

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​

I've edited my first response to you and added scripture.

The scripture you've just posted is about what will happen after sin has been destroyed completely and God's people will be living in the New earth. None of those things can happen in sinful earth right now can they? The Bible clearly tells us that the righteous will have direct communication with God only after He returns the Second time. That is when the righteous will be with God eternally. The title of Isaiah 2:1-4 in the NKJV says, "THE FUTURE HOUSE OF GOD". Jesus will live with His people eternally in the New earth as part of the New Kingdom as the scripture you posted tells us and more.

Revelation 21:3-5 tells us "And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

 

[Thunderian]

The scripture you've just posted is about what will happen after sin has been destroyed completely and God's people will be living in the New earth.

Why does it say "in the last days"? Last days of what?

The title of Isaiah 2:1-4 in the NKJV says, "THE FUTURE HOUSE OF GOD".

You place a lot of emphasis on titles, I've noticed, but you should be aware that titles are not inspired, but are a product of the interpretation of whoever printed the Bible. I have titles in my Bible you wouldn't agree with, I'm sure.

 

[phipps]

Why does it say "in the last days"? Last days of what?



You place a lot of emphasis on titles, I've noticed, but you should be aware that titles are not inspired, but are a product of the interpretation of whoever printed the Bible. I have titles in my Bible you wouldn't agree with, I'm sure.

Why does it say "in the last days"? Last days of what?

Do you really think there is going to be a time of peace on this sinful earth before Jesus returns where people will communicate with Him directly the way the Prophet Isaiah describes in chapter 2?

Does that mean before Jesus returns a second time He will come secretly before that? Can you show me scripture to prove that if that is what you're suggesting?

I've posted above the signs of the second coming of Jesus. Jesus spoke of some of them Himself. In Matthew 24, Jesus discusses the events prior to His second coming. He intermingles His warnings about the destruction of Jerusalem with the destruction of the world at the end of time using the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem as a dual application. The Bible warns us of a period of great trouble and tribulation just before Jesus' second coming. No where does the Bible say there is going to be a time of peace in the last days on this earth before His Second coming.

As for the Words "Last days", this has to be a mistranslation from the original Bible. Maybe there is no equivalent word in English for a particular word from the original language it was translated from. You have not compared scripture with scripture. You have just taken what the Bible says in those few verses and come to a conclusion that is NOT in line with the rest of the Bible on this subject. That is not how the Bible is studied. Can you really call Jesus' second coming His second coming after what you're suggesting?

You place a lot of emphasis on titles, I've noticed, but you should be aware that titles are not inspired, but are a product of the interpretation of whoever printed the Bible. I have titles in my Bible you wouldn't agree with, I'm sure.

The Bible translators know what the subject matter is in different parts of the Bible. However my answer to you isn't based on the title. Its just me saying even the Bible translators know that those verses in Isaiah are not talking about what you claim they are. My answer would still be the same without the title because I already know what the Bible says will happen before and after Jesus' second coming. His feet will not touch the earth as scripture clearly says until He comes down from heaven in the holy city with the saints after the 1000 years. That is the truth of the Bible.

 

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Do you really think there is going to be a time of peace on this sinful earth before Jesus returns where people will communicate with Him directly the way the Prophet Isaiah describes in chapter 2?

Where did I say this happens before he returns? If he's on the throne of God in Jerusalem, he's returned. Hasn't he?

Does that mean before Jesus returns a second time He will come secretly before that? Can show me scripture to prove that if that is what you're suggesting?

The scripture I posted says that Jesus Christ will rule a peaceful world from his throne in Jerusalem. I'm unsure where you get the idea this involves a secret return on his part. The Bible says he will return, he will defeat and bind the forces of evil, including the antichrist, the false prophet, and Satan, and then he will rule. This all takes place after his second coming.

Zechariah 14 is just one place that refers to his return and the earthly kingdom that follows.

Zec 14:1​

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.​

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Zec 14:2​

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.​

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Zec 14:3​

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.​

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Zec 14:4​

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.​

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Zec 14:5​

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.​

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Zec 14:6​

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:​

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Zec 14:7​

But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.​

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Zec 14:8​

And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.​

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Zec 14:9​

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.​

I've posted above the signs of the second coming of Jesus. Jesus spoke of some of them Himself. In Matthew 24, Jesus discusses the events prior to His second coming. He intermingles His warnings about the destruction of Jerusalem with the destruction of the world at the end of time using the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem as a dual application. The Bible warns us of a period of great trouble and tribulation just before Jesus' second coming. No where does the Bible say there is going to be a time of peace in the last days on this earth before His Second coming.

I didn't say there would be a time of peace before his second coming. I don't know where you got that from.

As for the Words "Last days", this has to be a mistranslation from the original Bible. Maybe there is no equivalent word in English for a particular word from the original language it was translated from. You have not compared scripture with scripture. You have just taken what the Bible says in those few verses and come to a conclusion that is NOT in line with the rest of the Bible on this subject. That is not how the Bible is studied. Can you really call Jesus' second coming His second coming after what you're suggesting?

The last, or latter, days are found referenced throughout the Bible, and Bible scholars know that it means all the time from the ascension of Jesus Christ to the end of his kingdom. Why would you think it's a mistranslation? Is it because it doesn't fit into your interpretation of the Bible? You need to account for these verses, then.

Deu 4:30​

When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;​

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Deu 31:29​

For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.​

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Job 19:25​

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:​

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Jer 23:20​

The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.​

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Jer 30:24​

The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.​

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Jer 48:47​

Yet will I bring again the captivity of Moab in the latter days, saith the LORD. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.​

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Jer 49:39​

But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.​

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Eze 38:16​

And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.​

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Dan 2:28​

But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;​

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Dan 10:14​

Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.​

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Hos 3:5​

Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.​

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Mic 4:1​

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.​

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Act 2:17​

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:​

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2 Ti 3:1​

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.​

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Heb 1:2​

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;​

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Jas 5:3​

Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.​

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2 Pe 3:3​

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,​

Do you really think all those verses are mistranslated? Please show me how you would interpret them. Based on the context of all those verses, which were written by prophets like Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Micah, Paul and Peter, I interpret them to mean there is a period of time that starts when Jesus was on earth, and goes until the end of his reign on that same earth, that is known as the last days.

The Bible translators know what the subject matter is in different parts of the Bible. However my answer to you isn't based on the title. Its just me saying even the Bible translators know that those verses in Isaiah are not talking about what you claim they are. My answer would still be the same without the title because I already know what the Bible says will happen before and after Jesus' second coming. His feet will not touch the earth as scripture clearly says until He comes down from heaven in the holy city with the saints after the 1000 years. That is the truth of the Bible.

I've already posted two verses that speak of his return in the last days, and specifically states that his feet will be on the earth. Here they are again.

Zec 14:4​

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives​

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Job 19:25​

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:​

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Having been made aware of all those verses, what do you think the Bible is speaking about, when it speaks of "the last days"?

 

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Where did I say this happens before he returns? If he's on the throne of God in Jerusalem, he's returned. Hasn't he?



The scripture I posted says that Jesus Christ will rule a peaceful world from his throne in Jerusalem. I'm unsure where you get the idea this involves a secret return on his part. The Bible says he will return, he will defeat and bind the forces of evil, including the antichrist, the false prophet, and Satan, and then he will rule. This all takes place after his second coming.

Zechariah 14 is just one place that refers to his return and the earthly kingdom that follows.

Zec 14:1​

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.​

​

Zec 14:2​

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.​

​

Zec 14:3​

Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.​

​

Zec 14:4​

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.​

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Zec 14:5​

And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.​

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Zec 14:6​

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:​

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Zec 14:7​

But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.​

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Zec 14:8​

And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.​

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Zec 14:9​

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.​

I didn't say there would be a time of peace before his second coming. I don't know where you got that from.



The last, or latter, days are found referenced throughout the Bible, and Bible scholars know that it means all the time from the ascension of Jesus Christ to the end of his kingdom. Why would you think it's a mistranslation? Is it because it doesn't fit into your interpretation of the Bible? You need to account for these verses, then.

Deu 4:30​

When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;​

​

Deu 31:29​

For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.​

​

Job 19:25​

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:​

​

Jer 23:20​

The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.​

​

Jer 30:24​

The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.​

​

Jer 48:47​

Yet will I bring again the captivity of Moab in the latter days, saith the LORD. Thus far is the judgment of Moab.​

​

Jer 49:39​

But it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.​

​

Eze 38:16​

And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.​

​

Dan 2:28​

But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;​

​

Dan 10:14​

Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.​

​

Hos 3:5​

Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.​

​

Mic 4:1​

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.​

​

Act 2:17​

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:​

​

2 Ti 3:1​

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.​

​

Heb 1:2​

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;​

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Jas 5:3​

Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.​

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2 Pe 3:3​

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,​

Do you really think all those verses are mistranslated? Please show me how you would interpret them. Based on the context of all those verses, which were written by prophets like Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Micah, Paul and Peter, I interpret them to mean there is a period of time that starts when Jesus was on earth, and goes until the end of his reign on that same earth, that is known as the last days.



I've already posted two verses that speak of his return in the last days, and specifically states that his feet will be on the earth. Here they are again.

Zec 14:4​

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives​

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Job 19:25​

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:​

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Having been made aware of all those verses, what do you think the Bible is speaking about, when it speaks of "the last days"?

Where did I say this happens before he returns? If he's on the throne of God in Jerusalem, he's returned. Hasn't he?

Again this is not in line with what the Bible teaches. Jesus' feet will not touch this earth until after the 1000 years. I will explain below using scripture. Always remember the Bible does not contradict itself. If it seems like it is, it means you have not understood it.

The scripture I posted says that Jesus Christ will rule a peaceful world from his throne in Jerusalem. I'm unsure where you get the idea this involves a secret return on his part. The Bible says he will return, he will defeat and bind the forces of evil, including the antichrist, the false prophet, and Satan, and then he will rule. This all takes place after his second coming.

No and I came to the conclusion that you're suggesting Jesus will come secretly before the second coming because after He comes back the second time He will not set foot on earth until after 1000 years according to the Bible.

Zechariah 14 (verses 1, 4, 5, 10) is talking about the earth after the 1000 years when the Holy city comes down from heaven. Prophet Zechariah describes the coming of the Lord with all His people, and how the feet of the Lord touch the earth to create a great plain. This will not happen at the Second coming because Jesus does not come back with His people during the Second coming does He? He comes with all the angels for His people. So those events cannot possibly happen at the Second coming.

The last, or latter, days are found referenced throughout the Bible, and Bible scholars know that it means all the time from the ascension of Jesus Christ to the end of his kingdom. Why would you think it's a mistranslation? Is it because it doesn't fit into your interpretation of the Bible? You need to account for these verses, then.

My interpretation of the Bible is correct. That is just the truth. Let me explain.

In 1 Thessalonians we see the description of Jesus descending from the clouds to take up His followers.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). This is what some call the “rapture” and it will be being physically and literally caught up to meet a visible Jesus waiting in the sky.

In John 14:2-3, Jesus says, "In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." This tells us that He will take us to the mansions that He has prepared for us.

Then in Revelation 21, we read, "Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband" (vs 2). But Revelation 20 says that the righteous “lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (vs 4). So if New Jerusalem is where our mansions are, and it has not yet come down to earth by the time of Jesus’ second coming, where are we going to be during the 1,000 years? It means we’re not going to be on the earth.

Another clue comes from Isaiah 24:1, where we get a picture of the conditions of the earth during this 1,000 years: “Behold, the Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.” And Jeremiah 4:23 explains, “I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.” Of course, this sounds like it’s right out of Genesis 1:2, but if you keep reading: “I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, And all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.” (4:24, 25).

We can conclude that since the mountains are now gone, they must have been there before. But if there is any doubt, Jeremiah continues, “I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were broken down At the presence of the Lord, By His fierce anger.” (V. 26). Now we have cities that are broken down, so this cannot be at the time of the garden of Eden or a pre-creation picture.

What breaks it all down? The Bible says “the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.” This chapter also says that there is no life on earth at this time, and moreover, the slain of the Lord covers one end of the earth to the other. Furthermore, “And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.” (Jeremiah 25:33).

So according to both Jeremiah and Isaiah, the earth is in a condition where nobody’s alive, it’s dark, and the cities are broken down. When could this be? Well, it’s very simple. When Jesus comes down with power, the righteous, both the living and the dead, who are resurrected, are caught up with Him, and the sinful living are destroyed by the brightness of His coming. And as Revelation 20:5 says, “But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished."

Jesus also speaks of the second resurrection, a time when the wicked come forth from their graves at the end of the 1,000 years for their judgment, meaning there are two distinct resurrections. It means that there won’t be anybody alive on earth during the 1,000 years except Satan. The earth is desolate and dark, and Satan is bound for the millennium, having no one to tempt or manipulate. Jesus is not going to live with Satan on earth or anywhere else is He? Nor would He allow the saints to dwell on earth while Satan is bound after the second coming and their bodies have changed and they are immortal. Thus the saved will be in heaven with Christ, until we descend with Him when New Jerusalem comes to the earth.

So as you can see with these events there is no way Jesus is going to set foot on earth after the second coming until after the 1000 years are over because this whole earth will be desolate with Satan bound here. This is the truth of the Bible.

You've misinterpreted the verses you've posted. Please study end time prophecy prayerfully, carefully and in context.

 

[phipps]

Isn’t Jesus coming secretly?

Summary: Isn't Jesus coming secretly? Doesn’t the Bible say, “There will be two in the field, one taken and one left” (Matthew 24:40)?

The Bible makes it abundantly plain that Jesus’ coming is not a secret event. as we have seen in the article How Christ will Return. Also, see Revelation 1:7, Psalm 50:3, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and Matthew 24:27.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 - 17 features a shout loud enough to literally wake the dead (the resurrection of the Christian dead takes place right after it). A trumpet and an Archangel “voice” will be heard. The Greek for “voice” is fwnh> — fo-nay’ , from which we get our word “phone.” The same word is in Revelation 14:7 when it says “loud voice.” 1 Corinthians 15:51 - 53; Psalm 50: 3 - 5; Matthew 24:31 — do these references suggest silence — or a great deal of sound and noise?

When the Bible speaks of those being left, it does not say they will be left alive on earth. Luke 17:26-37describes the event in detail. In Noah’s day there were two classes, one taken and saved, the other left and destroyed by the flood. In Lot’s day there were two classes, one taken out of the city and saved, the other left in the city and consumed by fire.

It will be similar when Jesus comes. One class will be taken to heaven with Jesus and the other class will be destroyed. In Luke 17:37, Jesus is asked, "Where, Lord?" Where are these people left? Jesus responded, “Wheresoever the body is, thither the eagles will be gathered together.”

Revelation 19:11-18 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9, 2:8 clarify the point that when Jesus comes, those who reject His way will be with death.

Whenever we interpret Scripture, we must be sure to not build a doctrine upon one verse alone, but to take the whole Bible’s teachings on an issue into consideration. If a verse we are using seems to contradict another verse, then there is a discrepancy in our understanding. This is where really knowing our Bible is so important. Verses are scattered about the Bible and, like treasure hunters, we are to seek in the inspired verse and lay Scripture beside Scripture, “line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isaiah 28:10).

Mark 13: 26 - 27 tells us the Lord will be “...coming in the clouds with great power and glory” and sending His angels to gather His people from every point of the compass to be with Him.

Matthew 24:27 compares the coming of the Lord to “lightning” blazing across the sky from east to west — hardly a “secret” event.
Matthew 24:30 states His “sign” will appear in heaven and all tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see Him coming in “the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

Revelation 1:7 reveals more details about the peoples of the earth wailing and mourning as they see Him coming — and even those who pieced Him will be alive to see Him coming in the clouds.

 

[Thunderian]

Again this is not in line with what the Bible teaches. Jesus' feet will not touch this earth until after the 1000 years. I will explain below using scripture. Always remember the Bible does not contradict itself. If it seems like it is, it means you have not understood it.



No and I came to the conclusion that you're suggesting Jesus will come secretly before the second coming because after He comes back the second time He will not set foot on earth until after 1000 years according to the Bible.

Zechariah 14 (verses 1, 4, 5, 10) is talking about the earth after the 1000 years when the Holy city comes down from heaven. Prophet Zechariah describes the coming of the Lord with all His people, and how the feet of the Lord touch the earth to create a great plain. This will not happen at the Second coming because Jesus does not come back with His people during the Second coming does He? He comes with all the angels for His people. So those events cannot possibly happen at the Second coming.



My interpretation of the Bible is correct. That is just the truth. Let me explain.

In 1 Thessalonians we see the description of Jesus descending from the clouds to take up His followers.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). This is what some call the “rapture” and it will be being physically and literally caught up to meet a visible Jesus waiting in the sky.

In John 14:2-3, Jesus says, "In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." This tells us that He will take us to the mansions that He has prepared for us.

Then in Revelation 21, we read, "Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband" (vs 2). But Revelation 20 says that the righteous “lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (vs 4). So if New Jerusalem is where our mansions are, and it has not yet come down to earth by the time of Jesus’ second coming, where are we going to be during the 1,000 years? It means we’re not going to be on the earth.

Another clue comes from Isaiah 24:1, where we get a picture of the conditions of the earth during this 1,000 years: “Behold, the Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.” And Jeremiah 4:23 explains, “I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.” Of course, this sounds like it’s right out of Genesis 1:2, but if you keep reading: “I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, And all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.” (4:24, 25).

We can conclude that since the mountains are now gone, they must have been there before. But if there is any doubt, Jeremiah continues, “I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were broken down At the presence of the Lord, By His fierce anger.” (V. 26). Now we have cities that are broken down, so this cannot be at the time of the garden of Eden or a pre-creation picture.

What breaks it all down? The Bible says “the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.” This chapter also says that there is no life on earth at this time, and moreover, the slain of the Lord covers one end of the earth to the other. Furthermore, “And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.” (Jeremiah 25:33).

So according to both Jeremiah and Isaiah, the earth is in a condition where nobody’s alive, it’s dark, and the cities are broken down. When could this be? Well, it’s very simple. When Jesus comes down with power, the righteous, both the living and the dead, who are resurrected, are caught up with Him, and the sinful living are destroyed by the brightness of His coming. And as Revelation 20:5 says, “But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished."

Jesus also speaks of the second resurrection, a time when the wicked come forth from their graves at the end of the 1,000 years for their judgment, meaning there are two distinct resurrections. It means that there won’t be anybody alive on earth during the 1,000 years except Satan. The earth is desolate and dark, and Satan is bound for the millennium, having no one to tempt or manipulate. Jesus is not going to live with Satan on earth or anywhere else is He? Nor would He allow the saints to dwell on earth while Satan is bound after the second coming and their bodies have changed and they are immortal. Thus the saved will be in heaven with Christ, until we descend with Him when New Jerusalem comes to the earth.

So as you can see with these events there is no way Jesus is going to set foot on earth after the second coming until after the 1000 years are over because this whole earth will be desolate with Satan bound here. This is the truth of the Bible.

You've misinterpreted the verses you've posted. Please study end time prophecy prayerfully, carefully and in context.

You don’t even try to answer the question, @phipps. The Bible is one book. You can’t just ignore the parts that don’t support your interpretation. A serious Bible student would have an answer, even if it’s, “I don’t know.”

What are the latter/last days that prophets like Moses, Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah and others speak of in the dozen references I’ve provided for you? Do you have an answer?

 

[Thunderian]

Isn’t Jesus coming secretly?

Summary: Isn't Jesus coming secretly? Doesn’t the Bible say, “There will be two in the field, one taken and one left” (Matthew 24:40)?

The Bible makes it abundantly plain that Jesus’ coming is not a secret event. as we have seen in the article How Christ will Return. Also, see Revelation 1:7, Psalm 50:3, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and Matthew 24:27.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 - 17 features a shout loud enough to literally wake the dead (the resurrection of the Christian dead takes place right after it). A trumpet and an Archangel “voice” will be heard. The Greek for “voice” is fwnh> — fo-nay’ , from which we get our word “phone.” The same word is in Revelation 14:7 when it says “loud voice.” 1 Corinthians 15:51 - 53; Psalm 50: 3 - 5; Matthew 24:31 — do these references suggest silence — or a great deal of sound and noise?

When the Bible speaks of those being left, it does not say they will be left alive on earth. Luke 17:26-37describes the event in detail. In Noah’s day there were two classes, one taken and saved, the other left and destroyed by the flood. In Lot’s day there were two classes, one taken out of the city and saved, the other left in the city and consumed by fire.

It will be similarwhen Jesus comes. One class will be taken to heaven with Jesus and the other class will be destroyed. In Luke 17:37, Jesus is asked, "Where, Lord?" Where are these people left? Jesus responded, “Wheresoever the body is, thither the eagles will be gathered together.”

Revelation 19:11-18 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9, 2:8 clarify the point that when Jesus comes, those who reject His way will be with death.

Whenever we interpret Scripture, we must be sure to not build a doctrine upon one verse alone, but to take the whole Bible’s teachings on an issue into consideration. If a verse we are using seems to contradict another verse, then there is a discrepancy in our understanding. This is where really knowing our Bible is so important. Verses are scattered about the Bible and, like treasure hunters, we are to seek in the inspired verse and lay Scripture beside Scripture, “line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isaiah 28:10).

Mark 13: 26 - 27 tells us the Lord will be “...coming in the clouds with great power and glory” and sending His angels to gather His people from every point of the compass to be with Him.

Matthew 24:27 compares the coming of the Lord to “lightning” blazing across the sky from east to west — hardly a “secret” event.
Matthew 24:30 states His “sign” will appear in heaven and all tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see Him coming in “the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

Revelation 1:7 reveals more details about the peoples of the earth wailing and mourning as they see Him coming — and even those who pieced Him will be alive to see Him coming in the clouds.

There is no secret return of Jesus Christ, and I’ve never said there was. You can’t answer my questions, so you make up this straw man.

 

[phipps]

@Thunderian,

You don’t even try to answer the question, The Bible is one book. You can’t just ignore the parts that don’t support your interpretation. A serious Bible student would have an answer, even if it’s, “I don’t know.”

I answered the question but as usual you don't like the answer. The Bible is one book yes, but remember its more than just that. Its the Word of God and The Word of God has power to transform us from the inside out, and it never contradicts itself once. Also if you understand context and how events will happen, you will not confuse the Second coming with the third coming.Your version of what happens when Jesus comes a second time contradicts end time prophecy in the Bible especially in the book of Revelation.

What are the latter/last days that prophets like Moses, Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah and others speak of in the dozen references I’ve provided for you? Do you have an answer?

The latter times is the end times. In the Bible some end time prophecy ends with the second coming of Christ, some of it goes beyond that, depending on the prophecy. I didn't think I needed to explain that especially after I explained the events of Zechariah 14. When you read the events of Zechariah 14 as I explained above, they cannot be about the Second coming of Christ. Christ is not going to return with the Saints when He returns the Second time as you well know. He is coming for them not with them. He will return with the saints in the Holy City after the 1000 years in heaven according to the Bible. That is why I told you to study and understand end time prophecy. Once you do, you won't be confused about what the prophecies are saying will you?

Just to explain a bit more about Zechariah 14, its also a description of how the Second Coming of the Messiah would have come about if the Israelites who returned from captivity had fulfilled their destiny. But they disobeyed God over and over until they ultimately rejected the Messiah (Acts 3:13-15), so God turned from them as a people. He now accomplishes His purposes through Spiritual Israel (Jews and Gentiles alike), the true Christian Church. Do you remember I told you, that many promises God made to literal Israel were unfulfilled because they were conditional to obedience which Israel failed to to do? Well those promises will be fulfilled under spiritual Israel who count as Israel in the New Testament to God and should to all of us.

You need go and do some research of your own prayerfully and carefully. But first you need to understand the prophecies in context and study end time prophecy of Jesus' second coming and beyond then you will see your error.

There is no secret return of Jesus Christ, and I’ve never said there was. You can’t answer my questions, so you make up this straw man.

That post wasn't about you. I'm posting a series of articles about the second coming of Jesus and had planned it before you responded to me the first time.

 

[phipps]

What will Happen to the Rejecters of God when Christ Returns?
Summary: The Bible is clear about what the fate of those who reject God will be when Christ returns.


When Christ returns, those who chose to reject Him will be slain, and the nations will be destroyed.

"And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come” (Revelation 6:15-17).

"The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads of many countries" (Psalm 110:5-6).

There will be no peace or joy at the Second Coming of Christ for those who have ignored the mercy of Christ and sought to destroy His saints. These people will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming. The Lord is not a respecter of earthly positions. Even the rulers of nations will have to give an account for their actions. Then the wicked one, the man of sin, will be revealed for what he is.

"And then shall the Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming" (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

"And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground" (Jeremiah 25:33).

These people will not be gathered, lamented, or buried because no living being will remain on Earth. God's people will have been taken to heaven and everyone else will be dead.

"I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, And all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled. I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of the LORD, By His fierce anger. For thus says the LORD: “The whole land shall be desolate; Yet I will not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, And the heavens above be black, Because I have spoken. I have purposed and will not relent, Nor will I turn back from it" (Jeremiah 4:23-28).

“I will utterly consume everything From the face of the land,” Says the LORD; “I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, The fish of the sea, And the stumbling blocks along with the wicked. I will cut off man from the face of the land,” Says the LORD" (Zephaniah 1:2-3).

 

[Thunderian]

The latter times is the end times.

The end times of what?

And please, please don’t tell me you’ve answered already. If you have, I've missed it, so please answer again.

When you say end times, what times to you mean? Where do these times take place? On this earth, or on the new earth?

 

[phipps]

Signs of the Second Coming in the Bible
Summary: What does the Old Testament say about the end times? And what did Christ say about His return?

Much of the Bible is dedicated to the theme of the Second Coming. There are over 1500 prophecies of Jesus’ Second Coming recorded in the Bible. For every prophecy of His first coming mentioned in the Old Testament, there are eight predicting His Second Coming. Christ’s return is also mentioned once in every five verses in the New Testament.

Many Old Testament prophets were given visions and instructions concerning this period, often called “the time of the end.” Daniel was told that his writings were for the time of the end (Daniel 12:9). John’s book of Revelation is also full of prophecies concerning the Second Coming and the period just before it.

The Bible warns us of a period of great trouble and tribulation just before the Second Coming. As well, the Coming itself is not necessarily good news for all people, as the Bible warns that those that have rejected Christ will run from Him at His appearing.

The Scriptures tell us that there will be signs in the earth, distress of nations, and turmoil in the social structure of societies. In Matthew 24, Jesus discusses the events prior to His Second Coming. He intermingles His warnings about the destruction of Jerusalem with the destruction of the world at the end of time using the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem as a dual application. This discourse is also presented in Mark 13 and Luke 21.

It can be argued that many of the events portrayed in the Bible have always existed on the earth, but never has there been a time when all these events were evident in so many diverse places and in such frequency.

 

[Thunderian]

Signs of the Second Coming in the Bible
Summary: What does the Old Testament say about the end times? And what did Christ say about His return?

Much of the Bible is dedicated to the theme of the Second Coming. There are over 1500 prophecies of Jesus’ Second Coming recorded in the Bible. For every prophecy of His first coming mentioned in the Old Testament, there are eight predicting His Second Coming. Christ’s return is also mentioned once in every five verses in the New Testament.

Many Old Testament prophets were given visions and instructions concerning this period, often called “the time of the end.” Daniel was told that his writings were for the time of the end (Daniel 12:9). John’s book of Revelation is also full of prophecies concerning the Second Coming and the period just before it.

The Bible warns us of a period of great trouble and tribulation just before the Second Coming. As well, the Coming itself is not necessarily good news for all people, as the Bible warns that those that have rejected Christ will run from Him at His appearing.

The Scriptures tell us that there will be signs in the earth, distress of nations, and turmoil in the social structure of societies. In Matthew 24, Jesus discusses the events prior to His Second Coming. He intermingles His warnings about the destruction of Jerusalem with the destruction of the world at the end of time using the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem as a dual application. This discourse is also presented in Mark 13 and Luke 21.

It can be argued that many of the events portrayed in the Bible have always existed on the earth, but never has there been a time when all these events were evident in so many diverse places and in such frequency.

@phipps, is it your belief that the end times is the same as the last days? And that the last days are the last days of this very earth we are on now?

If so, why does Isaiah 2 say that it will be “in the last days” that Jesus Christ will sit on God’s throne in Jerusalem?

How can Jesus be on a throne in the last days — on the new earth?

 

[Daciple]

What are the latter/last days that prophets like Moses, Ezekiel, Daniel, Isaiah and others speak of in the dozen references I’ve provided for you? Do you have an answer?

Well the Bible tells us exactly what the Last Days are, but for some reason everyone wants to put them way out into some unknown future, but that is not when the Bible itself places the Last Days. Either this is True or it is Not...

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

According to John and the writer of Hebrews, according to the Bible and God, we have been in the Last Days and the Last Time or Hour ever since Jesus came and then Ascended. Everything is ready to go, and as usual most of the Scriptures quoted by Pre Trib Dispensationalists either has been fulfilled in the Life, Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ or will be fulfilled in the New Heaven and New Earth.

I do believe that we will see a One World Order and an embodiment of Satan, as the only thing I see that hasnt been fulfilled from the New Testament prior to Christ coming is the man of Sin revealed but I also can see Jesus come whenever He wants as I could definitely be misunderstanding that as a literal embodiment of Satan vs the fact that Satan has Spiritually been fully identified and cast down according to Scripture.

Anyhow at least I am willing to admit that the likelyhood of me having the Eschatology of Jesus Return perfectly figured out is about 0%, and after studying it for so long it boggles my mind how people lie to themselves and think they have it all figured out. I am much more likely to think you or me have Jesus 2nd Return figured out about as well as everyone in the Past understood His 1st Return and well they had that figured out exactly, not, at, all...