How And Why Does Israel Have So Much Power?

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Aren’t they muslim states that want to see it destroyed just because they are Jewish?
Wherever they live they are mistreated, terrorized and killed just for merely being Jewish...so it is a religious problem that they have.
That's a load of crock, Lisa! (However you know this as a hasbara agent so this comment is for those who reflect you can try and do that but I am not holding my breath:confused:)
Jews are considered to be the people of the book by Muslims.
Throughout history states with Muslim majorities have welcomed Jewish people who are running away from the pogroms in Europe and the persecution during WW2.
Albanian Muslims who saved Jews

Muslim Heroes of the Holocaust - Robert Satloff

The fact that they have displaced, murdered, mistreated and tortured innocent Palestinians is what the so called 'Muslim states' take issue with.
How you could think that the Creator who sent the 10 commandments and more would sanction these actions is beyond me and faulty religious thinking.
You should support justice no matter who it is for or against.
However, I really could care less what warvangelicals think.
From what I have seen you all have double standards and issues surrounding morality.
Those who aid and abet wrongdoing are as guilty as those that do the oppression.
Miko Peled and Rabbi Weiss Expose the Truth about Israel
 
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We can have the maturity to recognize objectively the aspects of the country Israel's existence that apply politically vs. religiously. The Bible is a religious text. The nation that was formed in 1948 has a constitution, governing bodies, etc. Judaism is tied into their national identity but Israel was and is still considered more secular (vs. say the Islamic Republic of Iran). A year ago a law passed which further defined Israel as a Jewish state but that doesn't negate their secular past.

Israel’s Proclamation of Independence makes few concessions to the Almighty. The word ‘God’ does not appear, though there is a passing reference to trusting in the ‘Rock of Israel’. Israel, it decrees, will be a Jewish state, but the concept is nowhere defined. The state, it says, ‘will be based on the principles of liberty, justice and peace as conceived by the Prophets of Israel; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of religion, race, or sex; will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, education and culture; will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and will loyally uphold the principles of the United Nations Charter’. Every student of modern Israel should reread the proclamation of May 14, 1948, at least once a year. It is a reminder of the secular vision of the founding fathers. Israel was to be a modern democratic state, an expression of Jewish nationalism rather than Jewish faith. The text reads as if the drafting committee was more familiar with the American and French revolutions than with the intricacies of Talmud. The phrase ‘as conceived by the Prophets of Israel’ is little more than rhetoric. Which of the Prophets were they talking about? Immediately after a clause proclaiming the ‘establishment of the Jewish State in Palestine’, the document promises that a constitution will be drawn up by a constituent assembly ‘not later than 1 October, 1948’. - Eric Silver
Just to be clear; and it's very revealing for all and very important to know:

I'll elucidate my opening statement vis-a-vi the thread-heading which also addresses the concerns - thank-you for those: but also needs own research to get all the nuances which I might miss here please.

The counterfeit (Rev. 2:9, 3:9) State of Israel is so powerful simply because British true-Israel Judah monarchy don't tell the world that they, and the monarchs of Europe (maybe others as well), and the Scots and Northern Irish, plus maybe 2% of the population of the State of counterfeit Israel are the real Tribe of Judah.

They do this for the sake of their phenomenal wealth and power, which they also hide from the world: behind corporate bodies mostly, while they rip off their fellow Tribes of Israel: including USA, and the whole world actually, and they use the counterfeit Jews as front-men, who do the dirty work, for also massive profits and the power that monarchy awards them; by monarchy's silence about who is really who in the zoo.

Monarchy holds the key to worldwide legislation - which they abuse - because they head the BAR (British Accreditation Registry).

Anti-semitism and the ADL are most probably an Mi6 creation, who are on the personal payroll of probably the world's greatest criminal: Mrs' Elizabeth A. M. Battenberg (alias queen who never was), whose real wealth and money-dealings is a big secret, to aso frighten the counterfeit Jews into towing monarchy's line, to continue being the dirty-work front. Mi6 officially doesn't exist! and monarchy rules the world! And they are all ruthless about their wealth affairs: "... it's not personal it's only business". Read The Conspirators' Hierarchy The Committee of 300 by John Coleman.

See how staggeringly filthy-rich monarchy heads the illicit drug trade, also alluded to in Revelation (Rev. 18:23).

Monarchy knows better than anyone that the population of the counterfeit State of Israel are 95%+ Japhethite Ashkenazis (Gen. 10:1-3): not Judah nor S(h)emites at all, but Japhethites, who joined, by religious conversion to Judaism in about 740BC (Arthur Koestler - The 13th Tribe), the Idumeans/Esau (Gen. 36:9) remnant: also counterfeit "Jews" who converted to Judaism in about 538BC for "fear of the (real-blood) Jews (Judahites)" (Ester 8:17, Ezra 2:31, 2:59, 2:62, 6:21, 9:2, 10:13, Neh. 7:34), who were returning to Jerusalem - where the Idumeans were - under the decree of Cyrus* the Great after the Babylonian captivity, and another enforced conversion of the Idumeans under John “the hammer” Hyrcanus in 110 BC. See detailed article on it here. (*Aside: they call Trump Cyrus because of his U.S. Embassy-to-Jerusalem move).

All this can only be properly revealed with British true-Israel's ancient history: the Bible, which the evil organised religions (Matt. 6:6), with their World Councils and so-called "Christians" etc., have corrupted into a religious abstraction, when it contains the most historical facts on this, and many other matters, and the most and best prophecies.

But here's the punchline: the British Throne belongs to Christ - that's what Gospel of the Kingdom really means, Whose world-fame comes from true-Israel's Bible History Book, that the British true-Israel distributed over the whole Earth - the most published Book on Earth, and the Judah monarch's are desperate not to give it up, holding on to it for dear life, massively conning the world, with their massive stolen wealth, to do so. Including inciting the wars of distraction; and more resource stealing in the process.

A lot of the seeming abstractions in the Bible, which are not abstractions, are just space-ship/ UFO, and space-Beings phenomena, which has become a lot easier to describe in this day and age, than centuries and millennia ago, when technology and mentality was more primitive.

Hope this adds an interesting slant to the discussion.
 

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The announcement was expected but it's frustrating nonetheless. At least their intention is out in the open, we don't have to pretend this US president has any other aim other than to grant full legitimization of Israel's criminal activity. Just like recognizing the occupied Golan this is signal to business and the investment sector as much as anything else.

There's going to be a lot of talk about the policy change. These are matters of international law. The overwhelming majority of representatives and authorities agree the territories seized after 1967 were taken under illegal military conquest. We'll see who stands on which side of the illegal occupation.
I’ll preface this post by quoting Micheal Ledeen on GW Bush:

“He became president, but he didn’t know why, and on sept 11, he discovered why”.

Here’s Sheldon Adelson on Trump both before and after the election.
Adelson: Trump likely to be 'best president for Israel ever'
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/sheldon-adelson-donald-trump-israel/index.html

Adelson to Republican Jewish leaders: Support Trump
https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Sheldon-Adelson-backs-Donald-Trump-says-hes-good-for-Israel-453328

Adelson, a casino magnate and major backer of pro-Israel causes, said he is convinced Trump will be a “tremendous president when it comes to the safety and security of Israel,” the AP reports.
“Like many of you, I do not agree with him on every issue,” Adelson wrote. “However, I will not sit idly by and let Hillary Clinton become the next president.
The consequences to our country, and Israel, are far too great to take that risk.”
Adelson attached to the email an op-ed endorsing Trump he wrote last week for The Washington Post.
It was reported over the weekend that he told Trump he would be willing to spend more than $100 million to help get him elected.


What made him confident or optimistic that Trump would be good for Israel? Ledeen was speaking as an insider, but isn’t it prudent to ask why Trump actually became president in light of all the developments in regard to Israel?

Anyway, the Palestinians have said their only way of protest now is to stay on the land.
 

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That's a load of crock, Lisa! (However you know this as a hasbara agent so this comment is for those who reflect you can try and do that but I am not holding my breath:confused:)
Jews are considered to be the people of the book by Muslims.
Throughout history states with Muslim majorities have welcomed Jewish people who are running away from the pogroms in Europe and the persecution during WW2.
Albanian Muslims who saved Jews

Muslim Heroes of the Holocaust - Robert Satloff

The fact that they have displaced, murdered, mistreated and tortured innocent Palestinians is what the so called 'Muslim states' take issue with.
How you could think that the Creator who sent the 10 commandments and more would sanction these actions is beyond me and faulty religious thinking.
You should support justice no matter who it is for or against.
However, I really could care less what warvangelicals think.
From what I have seen you all have double standards and issues surrounding morality.
Those who aid and abet wrongdoing are as guilty as those that do the oppression.
Miko Peled and Rabbi Weiss Expose the Truth about Israel
It’s hardly a load of crock...anyone can google and find out the truth..that’s what I did. Lol! And, I don’t have to be a hasbara agent to find it or to know that the Jews are just trying to live without being killed by the neighbors within and the neighbors without.

This is what the muslims will do to the Jews...and I think it’s true, they are already doing it now..so much for being considered people of the book.
“The longer version states that on Judgment Day, the Muslims will fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and the trees will speak, calling upon the Muslims: "Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill them." The hadith goes on to say that all trees will act this way, except for one tree – the gharqad tree, which is therefore defined as "one of the trees of the Jews."
https://www.memri.org/reports/antisemitic-hadith-prophecy-rock-and-tree-–-memri-clips-and-reports

Everything I said was true...
FROM INCENDIARY KITES TO BURNING TIRES
https://m.jpost.com/Opinion/From-incendiary-kites-to-burning-tires-560288

Israeli planes shoot at Gazans launching incendiary balloons into Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-planes-shoot-at-gazans-launching-incendiary-balloons-into-israel/

More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza; Israel responds, killing 3
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/more-than-100-rockets-fired-into-israel-from-gaza-israel-responds-with-airstrikes/2019/05/04/6591a798-6e47-11e9-8f44-e8d8bb1df986_story.html

IDF uncovers cross-border attack tunnel from southern Gaza
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-uncovers-cross-border-attack-tunnel-from-southern-gaza/

I think muslims should look at their actions..but then those actions are sanctioned by your god...terrorizing and killing people is the muslims mo....anywhere in the world...but especially Israel.
 

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That's a load of crock, Lisa! (However you know this as a hasbara agent so this comment is for those who reflect you can try and do that but I am not holding my breath:confused:)
Jews are considered to be the people of the book by Muslims.
Throughout history states with Muslim majorities have welcomed Jewish people who are running away from the pogroms in Europe and the persecution during WW2.
Albanian Muslims who saved Jews

Muslim Heroes of the Holocaust - Robert Satloff

The fact that they have displaced, murdered, mistreated and tortured innocent Palestinians is what the so called 'Muslim states' take issue with.
How you could think that the Creator who sent the 10 commandments and more would sanction these actions is beyond me and faulty religious thinking.
You should support justice no matter who it is for or against.
However, I really could care less what warvangelicals think.
From what I have seen you all have double standards and issues surrounding morality.
Those who aid and abet wrongdoing are as guilty as those that do the oppression.
Miko Peled and Rabbi Weiss Expose the Truth about Israel
It’s hardly a load of crock...anyone can google and find out the truth..that’s what I did. Lol! And, I don’t have to be a hasbara agent to find it or to know that the Jews are just trying to live without being killed by the neighbors within and the neighbors without.

This is what the muslims will do to the Jews...and I think it’s true, they are already doing it now..so much for being considered people of the book.
“The longer version states that on Judgment Day, the Muslims will fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and the trees will speak, calling upon the Muslims: "Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill them." The hadith goes on to say that all trees will act this way, except for one tree – the gharqad tree, which is therefore defined as "one of the trees of the Jews."
https://www.memri.org/reports/antisemitic-hadith-prophecy-rock-and-tree-–-memri-clips-and-reports

Everything I said was true...
FROM INCENDIARY KITES TO BURNING TIRES
https://m.jpost.com/Opinion/From-incendiary-kites-to-burning-tires-560288

Israeli planes shoot at Gazans launching incendiary balloons into Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-planes-shoot-at-gazans-launching-incendiary-balloons-into-israel/

More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza; Israel responds, killing 3
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/more-than-100-rockets-fired-into-israel-from-gaza-israel-responds-with-airstrikes/2019/05/04/6591a798-6e47-11e9-8f44-e8d8bb1df986_story.html

IDF uncovers cross-border attack tunnel from southern Gaza
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-uncovers-cross-border-attack-tunnel-from-southern-gaza/

I think muslims should look at their actions..but then those actions are sanctioned by your god...terrorizing and killing people is the muslims mo....anywhere in the world...but especially Israel.
I'd say no particular race on Earth is entirely innocent.

But here's one example of the State of Israel's Mossad perpetrating the 7th July 2005 London Bombings, with the co-operation of the British secret services, and then putting their signature on it for the world to see, and then blaming innocent Muslims in this case.

All brilliantly explained in the movie at the link.

https://deuteronomy4verse2.wordpress.com/2019/06/25/129-7-7-2005-london-bombings-another-crucifixion-by-the-synagogue-of-satan/
 
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Yep there will be a third temple..they already have the accoutrement for it and the plans. I even heard that they had a prefab that will go up and it will go up quickly as soon as they get the go ahead. They are only waiting to find a spotless red heifer...o, and a treaty that will let them build it.
If that's really so, then it just shows that they still haven't learned.. Biblically speaking.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Thomas 12:13 Jesus said: I shall destroy this House and no-one will be able to build it again.
 

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If that's really so, then it just shows that they still haven't learned.. Biblically speaking.
Romans‬ ‭11:11, 25-26‬ ‭
I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”​
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Romans‬ ‭11:11, 25-26‬ ‭​

I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.​


For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”​
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That says nothing about a third man made temple, though.
 
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But it did answer your first question...which is why they’ll build another temple...they think that’s the only way to get back to God.
So, are you saying it's true that they still haven't learned... Biblically speaking?

They reject the New Testament so it does make sense why they haven't.

Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are The Temple of it.
 
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Romans‬ ‭11:11, 25-26‬ ‭​

I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.​


For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”​
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You seem to be confusing the LAND of Israel (where the current, counterfeit Jewish state is) with the PEOPLE Israel, which are two very different things.

Likewise you seem to be confusing the two-tribed "House of Judah" with the ten-tribed "House of Israel", which will remain two separate houses until the very end, when Christ unites them and personally rules over them (Ezek. 37:15-28).

In context:-

Romans 11:24
11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be grafted into their own olive tree?
11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
11:26 And so all Israel (the holy people) shall be saved (see Daniel 12:7): as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away unGodliness from Jacob (Israel):
 

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You seem to be confusing the LAND of Israel (where the current, counterfeit Jewish state is) with the PEOPLE Israel, which are two very different things.

Likewise you seem to be confusing the two-tribed "House of Judah" with the ten-tribed "House of Israel", which will remain two separate houses until the very end, when Christ unites them and personally rules over them (Ezek. 37:15-28).

In context:-

Romans 11:24
11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be grafted into their own olive tree?
11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness (as to their true identity) is happened to part of Israel (the ten "lost" tribes - the House of Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
11:26 And so all Israel (the holy people) shall be saved (see Daniel 12:7): as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away unGodliness from Jacob (Israel):
I’m not confused as to either. The Jews are living in the land God gave them...God brought them back for the end times prophecies and to also bring them back to Himself. The Bible talks about 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each tribe..the house of Judah is included in that.
 

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Okay, but the evidence says otherwise :rolleyes:.
What evidence? Anyone can make a movie and say whatever they like and say its evidence. I just don’t personally believe that the Jews are trying to get the muslims in trouble with all the world..they are doing that themselves...
Ishmael will be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him...sounds about right!
 

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What evidence? Anyone can make a movie and say whatever they like and say its evidence. I just don’t personally believe that the Jews are trying to get the muslims in trouble with all the world..they are doing that themselves...
Ishmael will be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him...sounds about right!
It's all in the picture, for the whole world to see.

And if you won't watch the movie, then "better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"
 
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