Red Sky at Morning
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I can see that taking anything other than an Anti-Israel stance on this thread is likely to be as popular as setting maths homework for 13 year olds before the Christmas break!
How And Why Does Israel Have So Much Power?
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Why don't you just state you're a zionist who's not in favour of Palestine living peacefully without attacks from Israel, which has formed/merged into a dislike of Arabs and Muslims?
There's far too much evidence in this thread for anyone to believe Israel is the "victim" in this and attempting to demoralize the conversation comparing the thread to 13 year olds is telling.
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Its the 16th of November, 1940 in Coventry, England.
Yesterday, the Luftwaffe dropped 500 tonnes of explosives on Coventry's churches, factories, shops and schools. 568 are dead and 863 badly injured.
A person comes and stands on top of the ruins of a building and says "I can see taking anything other than an anti-Nazi stance is likely to be as popular as... [etc. etc.]"
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You realize the English would kill up to 100,000 German civilians per night in their bombings of non military cities with the intention to kill them right....?
Yes taking the side of a state colonizing and ethnically cleansing a people in their natural homeland is monsterous, nothing less.
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Point is - its just an analogy, to illustrate the double standard. To show that - if it is done to other people in a far off land, is it all of a sudden different? I'll leave it at that.
And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.
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I wonder what Rabbis thought about that verse in the 2800 years that their religion was not an ethnic nationalism crafted by the Rothschild family..?
IDK was making the point of who's going to nut up. And I responded with all nations.I wonder what Rabbis thought about that verse in the 2800 years that their religion was not an ethnic nationalism crafted by the Rothschild family..?
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Ah I see. If it becomes so, it will be a self fulfilling prophecy for the Jews changing their spiritual religion to an Earthly one, from a story of spiritual significance to an ethnic and materialistic one. What is it that wants us to ignore the spiritual and focus on material things? Perhaps what people have always referred to as Satan? I'm just ranting in general here, not addressing you personally.
Furthermore, Zionists seem fail to see the difference between a nation rising up against the innocent, like Jesus, and people naturally reacting to what is blatantly evil. They seem to think that people saying what they do is evil is confirmation of how great they are, because the ancient Hebrew religions taught, like Jesus did, "Blessed are you when people reproach you, persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Not "Blessed are ye when you establish a totalitarian state that regularly murders children and the UN asks you to stop, but you paid off the United States to cover for you so you don't have to"
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"Breaking News: Israel has agreed to a truce after a humiliating and unsuccessful campaign which drew criticism and condemnation from around the world due to the indiscriminate killing of hundreds of innocent Palestinians."
Israel and Hamas agree on ceasefire in 2 hours [2 am Jerusalem time]. Meanwhile, Israel are rushing to do as much bombing as possible before it. Its an admission of defeat, and a victory for the Palestinians. But it could also be a set-up, to lower Palestinian defences. Israel also has a history of breaking truces.
"The Israeli army has not achieved any significant military objective in the first week of this war — other than to murder and maim innocent civilians, flatten high-rise buildings including media centres, and kill a couple of Hamas and Islamic Jihad field commanders. It has failed to reach the two groups’ leaders and joint operation rooms, or their missile platforms and factories and their operators. Instead, it lashed out against those leaders’ family homes in residential areas – reflecting both its frustration and the failure, yet again, of its much-vaunted intelligence... The Palestinian resistance groups will not agree simply to ‘restore calm’ so that the occupation, blockade and oppression can continue in peace and quiet. Any cease-fire will have to be on their terms and timing. Claims that Israel has been resisting US efforts to achieve a cease-fire are eyewash. Under the table, they have been pressing their allies in Egypt, Qatar and Jordan hard, and offering them inducements, to broker a truce." [Abdel Bari Atwan]
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It was reported on BBC news earlier that it was some type of super diplomacy by Netanyahu which will no doubt boost his insidious political ambitions.
The way it was framed here is that Netanyahu should be up for a Nobel peace prize for brokering a deal with the Palestinians.
What's that Mossad motto again?
That happens every time
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Honestly, this infuriating, head-on-wall circular discussion makes me personally wish I had an Arabic Muslim friend just to vent my frustrations with and nod in agreement.
If the pro-Israel (Pre-millenial) posters here would do a little digging into church history you'd quickly realize how embarrassing "Christian" Zionism (*gag*) is to everyone else. You can love your enemy without grovelling at their feet like a dog. If you can't have self-respect, than respect your ancestors in the Faith who were persecuted by the Pharisees.
If the pro-Israel (Pre-millenial) posters here would do a little digging into church history you'd quickly realize how embarrassing "Christian" Zionism (*gag*) is to everyone else. You can love your enemy without grovelling at their feet like a dog. If you can't have self-respect, than respect your ancestors in the Faith who were persecuted by the Pharisees.
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More then a few of us can see Israelis burn down churches. While Muslims are the majority in Gaza there are Christian and Atheist Palestinians suffering along with them.
Here's an old video that somehow hasn't gotten deleted yet. Its a bunch of Israeli Jews that don't like an American Christian walking down their street.
Watch them gather and unite over one man.
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WOW.
I had to check the date of the storming of the mosque.
Unbelievable.
I had to check the date of the storming of the mosque.
Unbelievable.
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Hi @Agrarian
I think too few people read the passages they quote in their wider context and so come to faulty conclusions...
Take this one (with a little annotation)
Jeremiah 16
14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lordliveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them;
[sounds like National Israel inviting Jews to return]
and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
[sounds like persecution will one day drive them from other nations]
17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.
[it doesn’t sound like God is entirely pleased with them in their “returned” state]
18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
[God is definitely not pleased! Does this refer to the time known as “Jacob’s Trouble”?
19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction,
[looks like there is going to be some repentance involved]
the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
[it sounds like there will be a point after this judgement where the non-Jews will also look at the beliefs they have inherited and have a change of heart]
20 Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?
21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord.
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@Red Sky at Morning how about posting that on one of the threads in the spiritual forum and then tag Agrarian?
Me too darn these folks!
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So it's business as usual. Not even a day and they violate the cease fire.
No worries. Some here still defend the slaughter of innocents.
Gee, i wonder why so many counties have kicked "jews" out. Where are the Jews indeed @Red?
Like i told you. They are busy slaughtering the innocent.