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polymoog

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So, there is hope of a banana apple tree one day I think.
the banana and the apple tree have different numbers of chromosomes. grafting is impossible due to the cambium incompatibility (and that the banana is an herb, anyway). through genetic engineering, you could only stick genes from one plant into another; for you to stick an entire genome into another (this isnt possible yet with plants, that i know) would produce a true monster.
 






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the banana and the apple tree have different numbers of chromosomes. grafting is impossible due to the cambium incompatibility (and that the banana is an herb, anyway). through genetic engineering, you could only stick genes from one plant into another; for you to stick an entire genome into another (this isnt possible yet with plants, that i know) would produce a true monster.
yeah I was kind of being silly with that one
 






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sorry-- ive got a habit (inability?) of not detecting sarcasm/jocular questions.
no worries. I really would love a frakenfarm, but I’m sure I’m not the only one and it would be easier to find out how to do this if it were possible. Major bummer, but I somewhat expected it.

in all seriousness though, I found an apple banana variety. :)


it says in the plant care section that these can grow in pots. Say you live in zone 7 and under. Would you be able to have this indoors? Would you need a grow light or is there an alternative to supplementing a light source inside?

it would seems like I could try to do the reverse with a pear tree and keep it inside where it is cooler because of ac? Like with a dwarf pear tree?
 






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no worries. I really would love a frakenfarm, but I’m sure I’m not the only one and it would be easier to find out how to do this if it were possible. Major bummer, but I somewhat expected it.

in all seriousness though, I found an apple banana variety. :)


it says in the plant care section that these can grow in pots. Say you live in zone 7 and under. Would you be able to have this indoors? Would you need a grow light or is there an alternative to supplementing a light source inside?

it would seems like I could try to do the reverse with a pear tree and keep it inside where it is cooler because of ac? Like with a dwarf pear tree?
I think an indoor greenhouse with south facing windows and plenty of light which is attached to the home heating system may work... idk. It’s something I’m contemplating for myself because bananas oranges lemons and limes are all things we use on a regular, won’t grow where we live, but can be grown in pots and wintered inside.
 






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I think an indoor greenhouse with south facing windows and plenty of light which is attached to the home heating system may work... idk. It’s something I’m contemplating for myself because bananas oranges lemons and limes are all things we use on a regular, won’t grow where we live, but can be grown in pots and wintered inside.
That’s sounds like it would work to me. I was looking at planting a lemon tree the other day myself, and it seemed like they were on the easier side to grow. One of the major things I’ve learned this growing season is that some plants are extra finicky and difficult.

bananas seem a little more picky since they only grow in a handful of places worldwide, but lemons seems a little more forgiving. I guess a Meyer lemon is supposed to be good for cold areas.

Maybe some ground insulation would help? The temperature control issue makes having a greenhouse difficult for me in the summer. I would have to run ac or a swamp cooler, or set up a room in my house as a greenhouse. The energy cost of this is almost not worth it.

I’ve got a variety of spinach started that is supposed to tolerate heat. I started late so it is still a seedling, so we’ll see how it goes and if I like it because I’ve never tried it before. But, I’ve decided that iceberg is not going to be an option in summer unless I can figure out a greenhouse solution.

it is interesting though and I like the way it creates a deeper connection to my landscape than I had before. Hopefully, I will even like some of the fruits and veggies that are good candidates for my area that I can’t find in stores currently too.
 






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in all seriousness though, I found an apple banana variety.
i actually did know that; its not a top cultivar like raja puri.

it says in the plant care section that these can grow in pots. Say you live in zone 7 and under. Would you be able to have this indoors? Would you need a grow light or is there an alternative to supplementing a light source inside?
i actually HAVE the logees catalog next to me!
regarding bananas: theres a zone 4 banana (according to logees) that will grow and flower as high as new england (no fruit, though). you can grow bananas inside- youll need a good pot and plenty of height, though, depending on the variety. standard red bananas will never ever fit unless you have a 20' tall foyer. bananas can get by with part shade, but theyll need to be close to the window. most standard bananas are sterile so they dont need any pollination.

it would seems like I could try to do the reverse with a pear tree and keep it inside where it is cooler because of ac? Like with a dwarf pear tree?
yes!! you can do that. but the a/c wont do the trick unless you can really crank it down to winter chill temperatures. if you were in the tropics, you could grow strawberries until the fruit petered out and then put the whole plant in the freezer until it was given enough chill hours. at that point, you could take it out and plant it where it would fruit again.
 






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I’ve got a variety of spinach started that is supposed to tolerate heat. I started late so it is still a seedling, so we’ll see how it goes and if I like it because I’ve never tried it before. But, I’ve decided that iceberg is not going to be an option in summer unless I can figure out a greenhouse solution.
try malabar spinach instead for hot weather. iceberg is nutrient-poor, so i wouldnt bother.
 






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try malabar spinach instead for hot weather. iceberg is nutrient-poor, so i wouldnt bother.
interesting. I will have to try that. I got a New Zealand spinach variety which seems similar because they are both not true spinach varieties based on what I was just looking up.

my daughter will only eat iceberg at the moment. Probably a phase, but I hate iceberg usually, mainly because it doesn’t store well and is always aged no matter how fresh it is in the store.

I’m going to try growing it through the winter months and then probably give it up in the summer if it tastes better when grown myself. She’ll just have to live on watermelons for a couple of months.
 






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interesting. I will have to try that. I got a New Zealand spinach variety which seems similar because they are both not true spinach varieties based on what I was just looking up.

my daughter will only eat iceberg at the moment. Probably a phase, but I hate iceberg usually, mainly because it doesn’t store well and is always aged no matter how fresh it is in the store.

I’m going to try growing it through the winter months and then probably give it up in the summer if it tastes better when grown myself. She’ll just have to live on watermelons for a couple of months.
Kids put hitches in the best of plans don’t they?
 






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i actually did know that; its not a top cultivar like raja puri.



i actually HAVE the logees catalog next to me!
regarding bananas: theres a zone 4 banana (according to logees) that will grow and flower as high as new england (no fruit, though). you can grow bananas inside- youll need a good pot and plenty of height, though, depending on the variety. standard red bananas will never ever fit unless you have a 20' tall foyer. bananas can get by with part shade, but theyll need to be close to the window. most standard bananas are sterile so they dont need any pollination.


yes!! you can do that. but the a/c wont do the trick unless you can really crank it down to winter chill temperatures. if you were in the tropics, you could grow strawberries until the fruit petered out and then put the whole plant in the freezer until it was given enough chill hours. at that point, you could take it out and plant it where it would fruit again.
I was looking at something like this

 






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I was looking at something like this

I want to grow bananas too. My backyard is too small for a greenhouse. My neighbor is off her meds and stepping over into our property throwing shit now. Knowing her, she’d throw a rock at my greenhouse if I put one up
 






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That’s sounds like it would work to me. I was looking at planting a lemon tree the other day myself, and it seemed like they were on the easier side to grow. One of the major things I’ve learned this growing season is that some plants are extra finicky and difficult.

bananas seem a little more picky since they only grow in a handful of places worldwide, but lemons seems a little more forgiving. I guess a Meyer lemon is supposed to be good for cold areas.

Maybe some ground insulation would help? The temperature control issue makes having a greenhouse difficult for me in the summer. I would have to run ac or a swamp cooler, or set up a room in my house as a greenhouse. The energy cost of this is almost not worth it.

I’ve got a variety of spinach started that is supposed to tolerate heat. I started late so it is still a seedling, so we’ll see how it goes and if I like it because I’ve never tried it before. But, I’ve decided that iceberg is not going to be an option in summer unless I can figure out a greenhouse solution.

it is interesting though and I like the way it creates a deeper connection to my landscape than I had before. Hopefully, I will even like some of the fruits and veggies that are good candidates for my area that I can’t find in stores currently too.
Bananas grow in a tropical climate. A greenhouse should suffice nicely
 






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Some random thoughts for the day

Apple bananas are my favorite. Persimmons are gross.
Mulberry tress grow to zone 4. Kinda a blackberry on a tree.
Citrus (orange, tangerine, grapefruit more so than lemon/lime) needs some good cold just before they're ripe to make them sweet and juicy.
Maes should consider plexi-glass for his greenhouse.
There's probably more, but I'm tired. Dog tired.
 






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Mulberry tress grow to zone 4. Kinda a blackberry on a tree.
most. not all. the pakistani big purple mulberry is to zone 7. the rest range from zone 4 to zone 10, which is really impressive. i only know of one other that can have a wider range, and thats the ginko tree.

if you get the mulberry, get the everbearing variety. very easy propagation: branches stuck into the ground will sprout as long as the soil is kept moist. theres a white and red variety also- the red is native to the US.

Citrus (orange, tangerine, grapefruit more so than lemon/lime) needs some good cold just before they're ripe to make them sweet and juicy.
not sure i agree. :)
 






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if you get the mulberry, get the everbearing variety
I was not aware of that. I've always just looked forward to them in the spring.
not sure i agree
I'm guessing you mean the cold part. Maybe it is just a correlation with mid to upper 30s at night as they're ripening. But from experience I can tell tell you that oranges grown on the leeward side of a tropical island are trash. Dry and tasteless. Air too salty? But up the mountain on the same island they're good. Not Florida good, but good.
 






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It is August and it’s only 50degrees out here right now. I’m wearing a hoodie and socks. This shits nuts.. it was cold until almost June and now it’s getting colder again before August is even over. Recommendations for cold weather plants - trees, fruits, vegetables greatly appreciated since it seems I have the opposite of global warming going on up in this mountain.
 






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