Hebrew Aboriginals in America

Thunderian

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Hi Thunderian, I feel The prophecy of God to the Jews before their crossing into the Land of Promise in Deuteronomy 28:58-30:20, which describes their dispersion and It describes the holocaust (28: 63-8) and their return to their own land in the future. (Study Ezekiel 36:20-38) which has become true this day that started in 1948.
There is so much in prophetic scripture about Israel's destiny. Some of it can be downright chilling.

Jeremiah 16:16 - Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.​
 

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Thanks I've been reading through the links. Why the focus on Ashkenazi more than other populations?
There are studies that confirm Sephardic and Mizrahic origins in the Middle East, but the links I posted were all nicely listed in a piece about Ashkenazi Jews, and most studies that you find are based on Ashkenazim. I suppose that's because most Jews not already in the Middle East are Ashkenazim -- the so-called "white" Jews that everyone thinks Israel is packed with. People forget that almost a million Middle Eastern Jews (the non-"white" Jews) were expelled from surrounding Arab nations after 1948, and also went to Israel. In fact, less than half of Israeli Jews are of Ashkenazi origin, and the rest are from surrounding Arab countries and from North Africa.
 

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BioMedNet: "Maternal line reveals origin of Arabic"
Analysis of thousands of mitochondrial NA samples has led Estonian archeogeneticists to the origins of Arabic. Ene Metspalu of the Department of Evolutionary Biology at Tartu University and the Estonian Biocentre in Tartu, claims to have evidence that the Arab-Berber languages of the Near and Middle East came out of East Africa around 10,000 years ago. She has found evidence for what may have been the last sizeable migration out of Africa before the slave trade....
“MtDNA is inherited through the maternal line, and by comparing their data with existing data on European, Indian, Siberian and other Central Asian populations, the researchers were able to create a comprehensive phylogenetic map of maternal lineages diverging from Africa and spreading towards Europe and Asia. Working in collaboration with language specialists, they found that this movement 10,000 years ago, which was probably centred on Ethiopia, could well have been responsible for seeding the Afro-Asiatic language from which all modern Arab-Berber languages are descended.
'This language was spoken in Africa 10,000 or 12,000 years ago,' Metspalu told BioMedNet News. 'We think it was around that time that carriers brought these Afro-Asiatic languages to the Near East.' The language, or its derivatives, later spread much further afield. What could have triggered the movement she can only speculate. One possibility is that increasing desertification was causing famine in Africa and driving hunters further afield in search of animals. Interestingly, the lineages they traced through this 10,000-year-old migration didn't seem to get much further north than modern-day Syria or east of modern-day Iraq. There is no evidence of the lineages in the mtDNA of people from Turkey or Iran, says Metspalu.'”

"To propose that the majority of modern populations of the Arabian peninsula, Mesopotamia and North Africa are direct descendants of populations predominant in the same regions 5,000 years ago, or in the case of Arabia and the Maghreb, just 500 years ago, is to mislead and has simply created greater confusion with respect to the study of Afroasiatic biological and genetic origins, and in fact world history in general."- Dana Marniche
 

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There are studies that confirm Sephardic and Mizrahic origins in the Middle East, but the links I posted were all nicely listed in a piece about Ashkenazi Jews, and most studies that you find are based on Ashkenazim. I suppose that's because most Jews not already in the Middle East are Ashkenazim -- the so-called "white" Jews that everyone thinks Israel is packed with. People forget that almost a million Middle Eastern Jews (the non-"white" Jews) were expelled from surrounding Arab nations after 1948, and also went to Israel. In fact, less than half of Israeli Jews are of Ashkenazi origin, and the rest are from surrounding Arab countries and from North Africa.
From reading the studies they were all mostly based on correlations in genes with other groups and within hand picked groups. They essentially suggest that because of these specific genetic markers that it is highly likely that they could be related. This is where documentation is important in my opinion because they can't conclusively say that they were who they say they are but rather a possibility, a chance even that they are. Many of the popular genetic home testing companies came under fire for the inaccuracy of their test that were based on test like the referenced studies used. The U.S. doesn't allow lawsuits against these companies and they market as entertainment rather than truth.

I'm going to research further but again thanks for the links
 

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Long video but informative with sources and the like. @KoncreteMind you may be right
@Karlysymon @Serveto

If the conclusions in this video are true, who are we sending billions in aid to, who died in the holocaust, who really runs media, why isn't modern day Israel spanning the same land as biblical Israel?
Hi,

Thank you for sharing the video. I've only watched the part 1 of the series you posted and read through this thread. I was intrigued and started looking around elsewhere and found this channel.

The Lost Tribes Series of videos were very informative (I've watched 1, 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B so far) and I think 3A is relevant to this topic:

 

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I watched this about halfway through and it seems to be centered on linguistic similarities. If that is the only connection that is being made, I would say that this isn't enough especially because they are using aged sources. It sounds like these references haven't really explored the subject of language or compared the watered-down Hebrew they had access to, with other languages in the east.

Technically, I found myself noticing similarities between Hebrew and Chinese when I was watching something with subtitles a while back. They both have a sound that is phlegmish you could say. They also use a word that sounds like "ha" in English. You could say Utha too. My thinking is this is because what we call Hebrew, Chinese, and the languages of the Native Americans originate in what we call India and the middle east. These groups migrated north, east or west.

Visually, you could say that people from India and many Asian countries share a common ancestor with Native Americans because there is a predominant number of people with thick, straight hair. So I think this represents a discussion of ancient languages rather than a connection to an original version of Hebrew or connection to an original version of Hebrew.

There is no original source for the Septuagint and this would tell us what the original language was like rather than the Greek translation or later Masoretic version which the Native American language is being compared with. I read the other day that the oldest Bible is actually an Ethiopian copy of the Bible and even that is from 300-400 AD. There is no record of what the original language was like and without archeological confirmation from a geographical area, there is no reason to make a connection to the Native Americans as being indigenous Hebrews.

However, this documentary has nothing to do with Mormonism or the account given in the book of Mormon. The book of Mormon is about a prophet of Jerusalem traveling to the Americas to be with the people in America when Christ made an appearance from above. Then, when these people had witnessed this miracle, this prophet was supposed to instruct them about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to complete their conversion.

The book of Mormon is about how the message of Christ was spread to the gentiles in North America and represents the notion that the Gospel was being brought to the whole world. It has nothing to do with the native population descending from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the video does not suggest that there is evidence that these stories were being told or mention anything resembling teachings from the book of Mormon.

Presumption killed the cat.
 
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