Have radiometric dates and “billions of light years” been destroyed??

[Red Sky at Morning]

You decide…

 

[AspiringSoul]

can you at least summarise what he's arguing? how does it related to the bible?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

can you at least summarise what he's arguing? how does it related to the bible?

OK - religious differences aside ;-)

You may be familiar with the popular claim that the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and that light from distant galaxies therefore indicate billions of light years to travel, and hence a great age to the universe. Additionally, radiometric dates indicate a very old age for the earth - e.g. the Jack Hills in Australia date to 4.39 billion radiometric years.

This view rests on certain assumptions…

For a about a century, prevailing thought has postulated that gravity is the key shaping force of the universe so the calculations of star formation rates etc were based on the assumption that this was the main influencing factor. Gravity is however, a weak force. Compared to electromagnetism, it is insignificant. To use an analogy, someone looking at the filling up of a bath may notice a dripping tap and conclude a filling time of three months, yet be unaware that the bath may fill in two minutes if the tap was turned on. A crude analogy perhaps, but it might help illustrate the point.

Enter plasma physics. The universe is composed of more than 99% plasma, in either dark, light or arc mode (e.g. the sun is made of plasma in arc mode, the Northern Lights happen when the dark mode plasma around the earth is lit up by electricity). Plasma is the fourth state of matter and is “formless and void” as the Bible puts it. With interaction with electricity, plasma demonstrates some very interesting behaviours, e.g. miniature spiral galaxies have been created in the lab at Las Alamos labs by Anthony L Peratt in fractions of a second, from plasma and electricity.

Scaled up, this indicates a genuine mechanism for star formation that the present “nebular hypothesis” is unable to supply. It also removes the need to find the missing “dark energy” and “dark matter” as these were only proposed to patch holes in the Stephen Hawking style cosmology.

He also looks at Zero Point Energy and the implications of the virtual electron pairs that foam at the atomic level, contrasts various explanations for observed sub-atomic activity and makes some very interesting points on the implications for the speed of light and radiometric processes.

Whilst the speaker is a Christian, his only reference to the Bible is that the great ages so beloved of evolutionary deep time proponents are not supported.

I have listened to his talks a number of times, cross referenced his claims and am confident that he (and others working in the field) have hit onto a credible alternative cosmology to that presently in ascendance, which is likely to challenge conventional thinking.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A time line of scientific exploration.

Sir Fred Hoyle proposed the term “Big Bang”, with a proposed age of 13.8 billion years for the universe, based on the calculations that flowed from the assumption that gravity was the principal shaping force of matter over time.

In 1962 people began to understand the “Zero Point Energy” and the science of Stochastic Electro Dynamics (SED) began to be explored.




In 1992 strides were made in the understanding of plasma physics, with experimental lab evidence showing that the very structures we observe on a macro scale in the cosmos can replicated on a micro scale in the lab with electricity and plasma…



It turns out that the ZPE and plasma explanations for cosmology, coupled with its implications for light transit speed offer a better explanation than that of older gravitational model physics.

This may sound dry, but it has massive and far-reaching implications.

Just as Darwin was able to pronounce that life could spring up out of a little warm pond (because he had no knowledge of cellular structure or biochemistry) it may turn out that the next generation of scientists with egg on their faces due to subsequent scientific discovery may be Hawking, Penrose et al!

 

[Axl888]

See Dr. Russell Humphreys et. al. explanation on how the age of the universe seemed to be that old

A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 1

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., & D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. * Introduction One of the issues that concern many people who wish to adopt young-earth creationism as a valid view of earth history is the question of how stars can be seen many millions of light years away if only a few thousand years...

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A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 2

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., & D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. * Editor’s Note: Hebrews 11:3 says that “through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.†In other words, God created the universe...

www.icr.org

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

See Dr. Russell Humphreys et. al. explanation on how the age of the universe seemed to be that old

A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 1

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., & D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. * Introduction One of the issues that concern many people who wish to adopt young-earth creationism as a valid view of earth history is the question of how stars can be seen many millions of light years away if only a few thousand years...

www.icr.org

A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 2

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., & D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. * Editor’s Note: Hebrews 11:3 says that “through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.†In other words, God created the universe...

www.icr.org

I have read and watched Russell Humphreys work on the subject. It’s fascinating in its own right and I posted on it a number of times.

Not to sound like a Hindu, but I think Barry Setterfield and Russell Humphreys may both have a handle on the truth.

What fascinated me about Barry’s work was that he started with the observation - the decreasing speed in historic measurements with C (the speed of light)

What happened was that Barry started with this observation which stood up well, but created vast problems as it appeared to be in contradiction to the established laws of physics!!!!

The “standard model” continues to suffer from the problem of missing mass and proposes “dark energy” and “dark matter” to plug the holes in their equations.

What has happened now is that an alternative, experimentally verified process of forming spiral galaxies out of plasma and electricity has been shown in the lab. At present the gravitational astrophysics community is at odds with the electrical scientists. These new observations avoid the problems of the “standard model” and even give a clearer account of the formation of the elements.

enjoy!

 

[Maldarker]

See Dr. Russell Humphreys et. al. explanation on how the age of the universe seemed to be that old

A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 1

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., & D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. * Introduction One of the issues that concern many people who wish to adopt young-earth creationism as a valid view of earth history is the question of how stars can be seen many millions of light years away if only a few thousand years...

www.icr.org

A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 2

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D., & D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. * Editor’s Note: Hebrews 11:3 says that “through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.†In other words, God created the universe...

www.icr.org

Yes this one. Couldn't remember the name. THanks.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

In cosmology, as the journalist Geoffrey Carr has suggested, we have "a mountain of theory built on a molehill of evidence.

A Short History of Nearly Everything