Robin
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Don't get me wrong -I still thoroughly enjoy taking care of people -cooking, hosting, I like babysitting family/friends' kids etc. I think both sets are equally valuable and beautiful interests and I think that feminists should have fought to show that feminine traits and interests are just as significant and worthy of respect as traditionally male ones. That would've been true equality. By demeaning traditional female roles they basically align themselves with the idea that male roles are inherently superior just because they were historically constructed that way. Self-contradicting logic really.P
I WISH I knew how to work on cars, etc.! My dad never said I couldn’t do something, regardless of the ‘stereotype’ association. He’s always supported me in w/e I wanted to do. I didn’t dive into a lot of that other stuff bc I enjoy just really enjoy taking care of people. I’m annoyed that 3rd wave radical feminists demean stay at home moms.
I'm not condoning abuse or sexual assault, but I will ask if exchanging sexual favours for a step up in your career can really be defined as either. Those women had a choice -men demanding sexual favours in exchange for power and opportunity are disgusting but the fact is they were still taken up on their offer. Why didn't the women organise amoņg themselves to expose them back then? Why not create a movement that challenged the system then? If that would prove dangerous or if no one would've believed them, they still had the choice to walk away. And women have historically used sex as currency. That's not the same thing as unwilling exploitation in the vein of abuse or r*pe. You can have discussions about power structures and imbalance but then it does come down to integrity versus ambition. The system is evil, but they still chose to partake in it.But you forget a major element that is the fear in Hollywood.
Not all the women spoke up about the abuse before metoo began but some did, but they weren't taken seriously because of r*pe culture. Because if you're a woman who come forward can be subjected to not only being blackmailed and losing your job but also even more harassement, ridicule, etc.
Men also knew, but they just shrug it off because it doesn't affect them personally. There is an actress that spoke up recently about being assaulted in a meeting. There were tons of men who were twice her size that could have intervened. They didn't. They just looked away because they didn't want to lose their job.
So the problem is structural in Hollywood and in other fields as well. There aren't that many women behind the scenes in positions of power either. You can't reduce it to just women not supporting each other.
Women as a group represent 52% of the population so of course we're not all gonna share the same views and the same ideologies. Not every woman calls herself a feminist. Some women only think about their own interest, but that's only beneficial in the short term, because they'll eventually hit a wall at some point.
Is it really that inconceivable to you that some women despise third-wave feminism for independent reasons that have nothing do with men?"Some women use women as step ladder" that's true, but women who claim that feminism is not valid or not necessary anymore in the 21st century bc they want to live in their fantasy world or want male validation are just as much an hindrance to women's liberation. Which I've seen some posters say on this forum.
And regarding that point, I want to add that:
Most men wouldn't lift a finger if they were to witness a girl being harassed on her way home, they wouldn't check their bros when they whitsle at teenagers from their cars. They would gladly join in when their friends make salacious or misogynistic jokes at a bartender who's clearly uncomfortable. I have yet to see a man who holds his male counterparts accountable for their bullshit.
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