What point was I getting at? The question I asked you popped up as I asked it and wasnt some point I was trying to make in the beginning. Im not sure how you studied the bible and came to the conclusion that the Jewish nation has ANYTHING to do with it, Biblically speaking, there shouldnt be homosexuality, racism, violence, war etc... there if it was connected with the bibles version of Israel. There should be total peace and righteousness in the regathered Israel and the bible doesnt even hint at a "false one" appearing first. Seems to me that once the Israelites were scattered like scripture said they would be, imposters stepped up who had to force their way into the land through deception and war (on the account of foreign nations not the Most High) to get the land. Considering the fact that the nation needed bankers and foreign nations to be set up in a world controlled by Satan (allegedly) who (allegedly) controls said bankers and foreign nations, it shouldnt be too hard to surmise about WHO instituted this land of "Israel" with a star of Molech as its icon.. For some, they just cant see it. Even when seeing what Revelation 2:9 says...ok I get your point now, why didn't you just get straight to the point?
of course it is the same theme recurring but on a bigger scale.
Prophet Mohammad SAW actually said we'll be hit with tribulations in this life until eventually there are 2 camps
the camp of faith and the camp of hypocrisy
and in the end there'll be destruction ie of the camp of hypocisy.
We don't know the full extent of God's wisdom in all of this but the bible provides me with useful wisdom for example when the good jews were taken as slaves to babylon whilst the wicked remained.
Int he end, God had the wicked wiped out.
Btw nowhere did I say the land is eternally 'ours'.
We believe someday after the camp of hypocrisy is destroyed ie the majority...after the anti-christ has been and gone, the true believers will live in the messianic era. By that point we won't be having this discussion because the 3 religions won't exist as they are ie Jesus will put an end to our differences...
and yes the whole thing about the gathering of the remnant is also mentioned in the Quran, Surah 17 Verse 104.
104 And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.
104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام on the earth], We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,).
Howeveri was referring to the current situation pre-second coming of Jesus Christ ie muslims have held the land the longest. That speaks volumes of what God thinks of us. It's as simple as that.
Really think about it, Christians and Jews have, for the entire duration of this period, wanted to own the land as much as muslims if not more.
Why didn't it happen sooner or for longer?
Jerusalem is not any old place..i strongly believe the presence of God is with that place.
btw the current situation over there, you might wonder why muslims don't just let the jews 'live in peace' but in truth this too is God's design...
I firmly believe the jewish nation today is representing the mystery babylon/whore of babylon prophecies.
i believe this 100% without any doubts, after studying the bible and again by looking at the present context with a clear mind.
i'm not against the idea of a jewish nation in the holy land, at all. However a land that calls itself Israel...but is funded entirely by Usury, whilst the same jewish wealth has funded wars, funded media propaganda, satanic music, tv, movies, runs the porn industry and so forth...
i used to feel very strongly about this before id even read the bible.
When reading the bible, this view was confirmed..i realised the true israel that's chosen by God, is going to be the real 'heaven on earth' but it'll happen when Jesus Christ is here.
i know you'll end up trying to pick points on this but its late here, i used to post a lot of content on the old VC forum about this so really cant be bothered doing it all over again.
you just have to be aware of the 'themes' connected to babylon and thej ewish nation throughout the bible and then take a look at the present world.
I also dont think "Jesus Christ" will come to do anything but gather those that abide the same thing he abided that correlated with every other prophet before him up until Moses which would be the Torah. I dont think he'll come unite people of different faiths under one umbrella. The one that would do that seems to be the antichrist. Israel isnt Babylon in my opinion because its controlled by two other nations, which (imo) better constitute being Babylon. Though I see where you're coming from on that. At the end of the day though, I think the bible is clear about in the end times the Most High regathering Israel from where He scattered them. Since that hasnt happened yet I believe it will in the future.. This one we see today, has nothing to do with that (biblically speaking at least).