God has girl parts? (The 2nd Golden Nugget of Truth)

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According to e-sword,
In Dan. 3:25, the phrase "Son of God" translates to the following:
"Son" meaning: corresponding to H1121; son, grandson, etc.
"God" meaning: corresponding to H433; God: - God, god.

Capital "S" and"G"
Apparently no indication that an angel was there, but the Son of God, if you take the OT at its word.
 

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According to e-sword,
In Dan. 3:25, the phrase "Son of God" translates to the following:
"Son" meaning: corresponding to H1121; son, grandson, etc.
"God" meaning: corresponding to H433; God: - God, god.

Capital "S" and"G"
Apparently no indication that an angel was there, but the Son of God, if you take the OT at its word.
It says " son of the gods" lower case "g", with an "s" on it.
 
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Do note the lack of scriptures. Wisdom 1- through 3 ??

Anyway I understand what you are saying. You are speaking on a whole another level. An allegorical level.

However. We are dealing with the religious. Let's start with the simplest form. If you can't understand it in simple form like Adam and Eve per say.....you definitely won't understand it on a scientific allegorical level. I do but this is not about me. I'm fine spiritually.

Btw I do not accept the Quran as the words of God. Our scripture tells us "HE DECLARED HIS WORD TO JACOB AND HAS NOT DONE SO WITH ANY OTHER NATION. They know nothing of his laws praise Yah" (Psalms 147:19)
The lack of scriptures was because i literally didn't need to go on spoonfeeding you basic information.

Wisdom 1-3
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Wisdom+1&version=GNT

No idea what you're saying btw.

Yes i know you don't consider the Quran as the word of God, but I do.
Psalm, paste tense.

remember one thing...
you can have all types of theories and interpretations of the bible
but reality tells the best story in light of the bible prophecies...
Isaiah 42
Jesus Christ came, then the gospel was given to gentiles...
he became a light for gentiles.

Then islam came..and the middle part of isaiah really is about islam.

The final part of Isaiah 42 is basically telling us the jewish position despite these events/religions ie being blind/deaf means being close minded and not allowing your heart/mind to SEE the truth.
So even if muslims had jerusalem for 5000 years, the jews would still think we only exist to test the jews and their 'true commitment' to the 'comimg messiah'.
 

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What bible are you using. Mine definitely capitalizes the S and G. This sounds pretty petty, Yahda. You just are tenaciously hanging on to what you want to be true. That's ok-we all do it from time to time.
There are some holes that have been discovered, why don't you take time to investigate with an open heart? It is the way we learn and keep growing closer to TMH.
In the end, we don't want to keep any nuggets of truth for ourselves anyway, God gives it to ALL!
 

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The lack of scriptures was because i literally didn't need to go on spoonfeeding you basic information.

Wisdom 1-3
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Wisdom+1&version=GNT

No idea what you're saying btw.

Yes i know you don't consider the Quran as the word of God, but I do.
Psalm, paste tense.

remember one thing...
you can have all types of theories and interpretations of the bible
but reality tells the best story in light of the bible prophecies...
Isaiah 42
Jesus Christ came, then the gospel was given to gentiles...
he became a light for gentiles.

Then islam came..and the middle part of isaiah really is about islam.

The final part of Isaiah 42 is basically telling us the jewish position despite these events/religions ie being blind/deaf means being close minded and not allowing your heart/mind to SEE the truth.
So even if muslims had jerusalem for 5000 years, the jews would still think we only exist to test the jews and their 'true commitment' to the 'comimg messiah'.
You mean Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord your God. I give my glory to no one else nor my praise to graven images, or 17 They will be turned back and utterly put to shame

Those who trust in carved images, those who trust in metal statues....are you talking about that part ? Lol

Gotta go guys. See you in the wee hours as usual. My wknd is about officially over.

Shalom
 

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What bible are you using. Mine definitely capitalizes the S and G. This sounds pretty petty, Yahda. You just are tenaciously hanging on to what you want to be true. That's ok-we all do it from time to time.
There are some holes that have been discovered, why don't you take time to investigate with an open heart? It is the way we learn and keep growing closer to TMH.
In the end, we don't want to keep any nuggets of truth for ourselves anyway, God gives it to ALL!

All my bibles say the same and anyone can go on-line and look at each and every version. I checked and doubled checked long ago.
 
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Im not saying this just to say it. Im saying that YOU are the one that says the ones who hold the land the longest are the most righteous. God never said that in the bible, and that sentiment to my knowledge is never shared in the quran.

Land possession doesnt tell anyone who is the most righteous.
I just can't be bothered finding all the relevant parts of the torah on this topic
Deuteronomy 9:5
It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

yes in this particular instance the israelites wre not 'righteous' yet but they still got possession of the holy land because the previous inhabitants were sinful.
The israelites were pretty rebellious but God gave it them on a promise. However after they were fully practicing jews, they were judged (severely) on their righteounss and only got to keep the land on that basis.

Then you get the various empires who took the land for short periods but those were tests/punishments on the jews and not because those empires were righteous.

BUT
i doubt you know enough about muslim history in that land and our general mentality on 'our' collective moral/spiritual position.
You're very familiar with jewish history because it's written....

In islam we do have the same idea ie if we're sinful, Allah will punish us severely. There are many verses and hadiths warning us of this.
When muslims became sinful, the crusades began and muslims had to go through a spiritual revival (lots on this topic) and then took it back.
muslims have been colonised/conquered and have more or less lost the holy land to jews now.
Why? because we've become sinful something most of us are very conscious about.

asking for proof from the bible is still silly.
you mean muslims just took the holy land, took the temple mount and then built 2 structures on it and held it for 1200 years but all this had nothing to do with God ie God was on a break for all these years?
 
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You mean Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord your God. I give my glory to no one else nor my praise to graven images, or 17 They will be turned back and utterly put to shame

Those who trust in carved images, those who trust in metal statues....are you talking about that part ? Lol

Gotta go guys. See you in the wee hours as usual. My wknd is about officially over.

Shalom
you went from verse 8 to 17 but paid no attention or you deliberately chose to block out the parts that were most relevant.
The whole story together makes sense.

so basically we're living close to the end times..clearly these prophecies are not referring to some future event where muslims become christians or jews or something else.
Isaiah 42 tells us this story then goes on to condemn the jews as 'blind dead' ie they have seen 'many things' but still didn't change.

Now for the context...
those verses tell us God would attack polythiesm.
Islam did that.
The arabs went from being pagan idol worshippers to muslims. when Prophet Mohammad SAW conquered Mecca, he smashed all the idols in the Kaba.
Muslims worship and praise the "God of Abraham"
yet i think you're implying here that muslims are actually idol worshippers.
clearly if you do believe that, you have little awareness of islamic beliefs/mindsets esp with regard to polythiesm/shirk which is the worst sin in our religion.

These verses are def 100% about arabia given God tells us

Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.
11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;

let them shout from the mountaintops.
12 Let them give glory to the Lord
and proclaim his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord will march out like a champion,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies.


wilderness..we already know from Ismael's story where the wilderness is.
Ishmael settled in Mecca (obv there's a whole lengthy tradition on this in islam).
Kedar was the son of Ismael....Prophet Mohammad SAW was a descendant of Ismael and Kedar.

Sela is the mountain outside Medina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)
accident?
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.


Plus ALL of this, isn't some future event when we're already close to the end times, it is the history of islam...and it is relative to the jewish story hence Isaiah 42 finishes by condemning the jews.
Ie what did the jews see?
You have seen many things, but you pay no attention;
your ears are open, but you do not listen.”


The jews were already living in Medina during the lifetime of Prophet Mohammad SAW. That entire story of the jews in Medina was not just a coincidence but relavant to these prophecies.
The jews were actually awaiting their messiah in Medina and celebrated the arrival of Prophet Mohammad SAW (until they realised he was not one of them). This all coincided with events in the holy land with the wars between the Byzantines and Sassanids and the jewish state (there was a jewish state in jerusalem for a brief period).
This was a particular era where jews had a STRONG messianic overtone about them. The messiah was coming.....
but he didn't come? Prophet Mohammad SAW instead told them Jesus AS was the messiah..


Btw i hope you actually read what im saying and not just chose another loophole to ignore what im referring to. If you don't know due to ignorance then you should learn because it's now common knowledge.

These days people talk about how islam was violent and basically wiped out polythiesm from the middle east.
christians, didn't do it....yet accuse muslims of 'spreading islam by the sword'
God says
The Lord will march out like a champion,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies
14 “For a long time I have kept silent,
I have been quiet and held myself back.
But now, like a woman in childbirth,
I cry out, I gasp and pant.
15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills
and dry up all their vegetation;
I will turn rivers into islands
and dry up the pools.
 

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you went from verse 8 to 17 but paid no attention or you deliberately chose to block out the parts that were most relevant.
The whole story together makes sense.

so basically we're living close to the end times..clearly these prophecies are not referring to some future event where muslims become christians or jews or something else.
Isaiah 42 tells us this story then goes on to condemn the jews as 'blind dead' ie they have seen 'many things' but still didn't change.

Now for the context...
those verses tell us God would attack polythiesm.
Islam did that.
The arabs went from being pagan idol worshippers to muslims. when Prophet Mohammad SAW conquered Mecca, he smashed all the idols in the Kaba.
Muslims worship and praise the "God of Abraham"
yet i think you're implying here that muslims are actually idol worshippers.
clearly if you do believe that, you have little awareness of islamic beliefs/mindsets esp with regard to polythiesm/shirk which is the worst sin in our religion.

These verses are def 100% about arabia given God tells us

Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.
11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;

let them shout from the mountaintops.
12 Let them give glory to the Lord
and proclaim his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord will march out like a champion,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies.


wilderness..we already know from Ismael's story where the wilderness is.
Ishmael settled in Mecca (obv there's a whole lengthy tradition on this in islam).
Kedar was the son of Ismael....Prophet Mohammad SAW was a descendant of Ismael and Kedar.

Sela is the mountain outside Medina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)
accident?
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.


Plus ALL of this, isn't some future event when we're already close to the end times, it is the history of islam...and it is relative to the jewish story hence Isaiah 42 finishes by condemning the jews.
Ie what did the jews see?
You have seen many things, but you pay no attention;
your ears are open, but you do not listen.”


The jews were already living in Medina during the lifetime of Prophet Mohammad SAW. That entire story of the jews in Medina was not just a coincidence but relavant to these prophecies.
The jews were actually awaiting their messiah in Medina and celebrated the arrival of Prophet Mohammad SAW (until they realised he was not one of them). This all coincided with events in the holy land with the wars between the Byzantines and Sassanids and the jewish state (there was a jewish state in jerusalem for a brief period).
This was a particular era where jews had a STRONG messianic overtone about them. The messiah was coming.....
but he didn't come? Prophet Mohammad SAW instead told them Jesus AS was the messiah..


Btw i hope you actually read what im saying and not just chose another loophole to ignore what im referring to. If you don't know due to ignorance then you should learn because it's now common knowledge.

These days people talk about how islam was violent and basically wiped out polythiesm from the middle east.
christians, didn't do it....yet accuse muslims of 'spreading islam by the sword'
God says
The Lord will march out like a champion,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies
14 “For a long time I have kept silent,
I have been quiet and held myself back.
But now, like a woman in childbirth,
I cry out, I gasp and pant.
15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills
and dry up all their vegetation;
I will turn rivers into islands
and dry up the pools.
So who will be gathered from the four corners? Smh !
 
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Christianity was around for 600 years......and polytheism was knee deep in the middle east.
im pretty sure in the bible, God's biggest pet hate, are idols/false gods.

Then you get a man like Mohammad SAW come out of nowhere and his entire theology is centered on replacing polythiesm with monothiesm.
He goes on to reveal a scripture that goes on to confirm Jesus Christ as the Messiah and the stories of the Prophets of the Abrahimic religion, proclaims their God as the true God.
Finally Mohammad SAW breaks every idol in the Kaba.
Oh yeh...when Jews could to him for religious council, he judges them according to the Torah ie by literally opening the Torah and having it read out so he can identify the relevant laws.
but 'get this' one....

Christians: "islam is of the devil and you worship some moon god-idol black box thing"

just pure ignorance of what islam really is. Christians didn't deal with it, so someone else had to.
 
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So who will be gathered from the four corners? Smh !
The remnant
the israelites/jews who will be righeous...
but remember this group will be on the right path because they will be following Jesus Christ AS.
in that time the Abrahimic religions will become one religion because our differences will be solved by Jesus.
This is an islamic belief.

btw what relevance does this have to the points im making here?
 

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The remnant
the israelites/jews who will be righeous...
but remember this group will be on the right path because they will be following Jesus Christ AS.
in that time the Abrahimic religions will become one religion because our differences will be solved by Jesus.
This is an islamic belief.

Exactly. The remnant who were SCATTERED.

Anyway. how will they be righteous when God says he will blot out their sins Isaiah 43:25, 44:22,45:17

As God said not becauit is deserved but because of the covenant and his namesake.

As for the rest scriptures please. because the scriptures say a remnant will be saved. A remnant gathered from the four corners of the earth Ezekiel 36:24 I will take you back from the nations, bring you into your land, sprinkle clean water on you, give you a new heart. Ezekiel 37:21-24......you know. The scriptures where it states DAVID WILL BE KING.
 
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Exactly. The remnant who were SCATTERED.

Anyway. how will they be righteous when God says he will blot out their sins Isaiah 43:25, 44:22,45:17

As God said not becauit is deserved but because of the covenant and his namesake.

As for the rest scriptures please. because the scriptures say a remnant will be saved. A remnant gathered from the four corners of the earth Ezekiel 36:24 I will take you back from the nations, bring you into your land, sprinkle clean water on you, give you a new heart. Ezekiel 37:21-24......you know. The scriptures where it states DAVID WILL BE KING.
'exactly'
i don't even know what point you were trying to make in the first place
what is it?

also, I already said "but remember this group will be on the right path because they will be following Jesus Christ AS"
this is going to happen btw when the anti-christ is already dead.
changes much of the context.

btw
 

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Btw none of you find it strange that God mentioned David by name, Michael, Moses, the devils, (Devils was only mentioned with an s fyi), satan, the adversaries.......but no mention of the two most important figures Muhammad and Jesus, figures that spawn out of RELIGION ??? And no mention by God ?? WOW !
 

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'exactly'
i don't even know what point you were trying to make in the first place
what is it?

also, I already said "but remember this group will be on the right path because they will be following Jesus Christ AS"
this is going to happen btw when the anti-christ is already dead.
changes much of the context.

btw

Scriptures. I don't do videos.

Notice the lack of scriptural evidence.Start making these people show and prove. They always got to run to a video of a scholar or a link when these people haven't taught the masses a damn thing. The religious know nothing.

You tell me in your words through the words of The Most High or don't even waste your time. I don't need some indoctrinated opinion.
 
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I just can't be bothered finding all the relevant parts of the torah on this topic
Deuteronomy 9:5
It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

yes in this particular instance the israelites wre not 'righteous' yet but they still got possession of the holy land because the previous inhabitants were sinful.
The israelites were pretty rebellious but God gave it them on a promise. However after they were fully practicing jews, they were judged (severely) on their righteounss and only got to keep the land on that basis.

Then you get the various empires who took the land for short periods but those were tests/punishments on the jews and not because those empires were righteous.

BUT
i doubt you know enough about muslim history in that land and our general mentality on 'our' collective moral/spiritual position.
You're very familiar with jewish history because it's written....

In islam we do have the same idea ie if we're sinful, Allah will punish us severely. There are many verses and hadiths warning us of this.
When muslims became sinful, the crusades began and muslims had to go through a spiritual revival (lots on this topic) and then took it back.
muslims have been colonised/conquered and have more or less lost the holy land to jews now.
Why? because we've become sinful something most of us are very conscious about.

asking for proof from the bible is still silly.
you mean muslims just took the holy land, took the temple mount and then built 2 structures on it and held it for 1200 years but all this had nothing to do with God ie God was on a break for all these years?
Let me ask you a question then. What do you make of zionists abusing the inhabitants of the land today? Where is God to stop them from abusing the palestinians? Is God punishing them through the hands of foreigners like He once did Israel? Or something else?

Deuteronomy 9:5 doesnt say that those who are most righteous stay in the land the longest. Since the bible, nor history accounts for who was in the land before Israel or how long they were there, how do we know they werent there thousands of years? And the very text you say says/supports your stance, also says Israel will get the land again once they obey again. So what does that say for the Muslim inhabitants?

For all we know, God could be more strict on those He revealed His truth to (Israel) than the other nations. So maybe His people only hold the land for little time, while He gives other nations He didnt speak to, more time to correct their wrongs. Who knows? At the end of the day though, I dont see anything that correlates time in the land, with righteousness/unrighteousness. He gave the land over to unholy empires as you mentioned time and time again to which they built their pagan altars/structures too.
 
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Scriptures. I don't do videos.

Notice the lack of scriptural evidence.Start making these people show and prove. They always got to run to a video of a scholar or a link when these people haven't taught the masses a damn thing. The religious know nothing.

You tell me in your words through the words of The Most High or don't even waste your time. I don't need some indoctrinated opinion.
you're really living in cloud cockoo land then.
the video i sent you was in regard to the possibility to some of the lost tribes in israel ie their possible identity
the bible isnt going to tell me the specific identity of the lost tribes.....

i still have no idea wtf it is you're trying to say to me.
you brought up this topic with your questions.
 
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Let me ask you a question then. What do you make of zionists abusing the inhabitants of the land today? Where is God to stop them from abusing the palestinians? Is God punishing them through the hands of foreigners like He once did Israel? Or something else?

Deuteronomy 9:5 doesnt say that those who are most righteous stay in the land the longest. Since the bible, nor history accounts for who was in the land before Israel or how long they were there, how do we know they werent there thousands of years? And the very text you say says/supports your stance, also says Israel will get the land again once they obey again. So what does that say for the Muslim inhabitants?

For all we know, God could be more strict on those He revealed His truth to (Israel) than the other nations. So maybe His people only hold the land for little time, while He gives other nations He didnt speak to, more time to correct their wrongs. Who knows? At the end of the day though, I dont see anything that correlates time in the land, with righteousness/unrighteousness. He gave the land over to unholy empires as you mentioned time and time again to which they built their pagan altars/structures too.

ok I get your point now, why didn't you just get straight to the point?
of course it is the same theme recurring but on a bigger scale.

Prophet Mohammad SAW actually said we'll be hit with tribulations in this life until eventually there are 2 camps
the camp of faith and the camp of hypocrisy
and in the end there'll be destruction ie of the camp of hypocisy.
We don't know the full extent of God's wisdom in all of this but the bible provides me with useful wisdom for example when the good jews were taken as slaves to babylon whilst the wicked remained.
Int he end, God had the wicked wiped out.



Btw nowhere did I say the land is eternally 'ours'.
We believe someday after the camp of hypocrisy is destroyed ie the majority...after the anti-christ has been and gone, the true believers will live in the messianic era. By that point we won't be having this discussion because the 3 religions won't exist as they are ie Jesus will put an end to our differences...
and yes the whole thing about the gathering of the remnant is also mentioned in the Quran, Surah 17 Verse 104.


104 And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.

104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام on the earth], We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,).


Howeveri was referring to the current situation pre-second coming of Jesus Christ ie muslims have held the land the longest. That speaks volumes of what God thinks of us. It's as simple as that.

Really think about it, Christians and Jews have, for the entire duration of this period, wanted to own the land as much as muslims if not more.
Why didn't it happen sooner or for longer?
Jerusalem is not any old place..i strongly believe the presence of God is with that place.

btw the current situation over there, you might wonder why muslims don't just let the jews 'live in peace' but in truth this too is God's design...
I firmly believe the jewish nation today is representing the mystery babylon/whore of babylon prophecies.
i believe this 100% without any doubts, after studying the bible and again by looking at the present context with a clear mind.

i'm not against the idea of a jewish nation in the holy land, at all. However a land that calls itself Israel...but is funded entirely by Usury, whilst the same jewish wealth has funded wars, funded media propaganda, satanic music, tv, movies, runs the porn industry and so forth...
i used to feel very strongly about this before id even read the bible.
When reading the bible, this view was confirmed..i realised the true israel that's chosen by God, is going to be the real 'heaven on earth' but it'll happen when Jesus Christ is here.
i know you'll end up trying to pick points on this but its late here, i used to post a lot of content on the old VC forum about this so really cant be bothered doing it all over again.

you just have to be aware of the 'themes' connected to babylon and thej ewish nation throughout the bible and then take a look at the present world.
 

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The female aspects of Yahuwah are the foundation of His character and are manifested in a woman's body that is entered into by the man. His motherly characteristics of affection, tenderness, and love are accessed by His manly characteristics of strength, power, and might
This was what I heard a televangelist describe God as and I believe this is true. I believe The Lord literally made us in his image. Women may have the "tender, motherly, and gentle" aspect of God's character while the man have the supposed "opposite" traits. Very insightful.
 
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