God has girl parts? (The 2nd Golden Nugget of Truth)

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I should not write so facetiously, but it IS a valid question, dear Yahda!
 

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Well, God speaking through me. I wonder how come He did that? I, not being an Israelite?
O so you already knew ISRAEL was the son ? Not judging by your response.

I still don't think you know ???
 
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"Of course it ( SHE) existed before Jesus existed "

I rest my case. Anyway. We have no proof Jesus existed. God NEVER uttered a word about him. Besides whether the word existed before wisdom or not is irrelevant to the point I was making. Remind you God never spoke about a word so imo that's neither here nor there.

Anyway none of you find it strange God never spoke of this savior.

All these great things were spoken about Wisdom, David, Michael, even Satan made a few appearances......but no mention of this great savior sun/son ?

Filed under things that make you go hmmm ?

Also thanks for pointing out to fellow Christians that the " word" and Jesus are two different things.

As you put it " of course it ( she/wisdom ) existed before Jesus, but did she exist before the word"

Signifying that Jesus allegedly came after the word and wisdom. If he came lol. I know he didn't come but one step at a time for the Christians. Very telling.

Now let's continue with the timeline...

You don't even have knowledge of the nature of causality so your entire point fails.
Before God created the world, the divine decree was created...it's a bit like a computer program where the code is written before the program is run.
Your point is a little bit like saying, the code is greater than arguably the most important character in the program. Even though the program was created FOR the character(s).

In the case of Jesus Christ, not only are there very many scaringly accurate prophecies about him (one of my most fav being Wisdom chapters 1-3)...his life and the religion based on him is a testament to what he was. He's basically the most important/famous man to have ever lived.
As for GOD 'uttering' something about him, aside from the bible, i'm a muslim who obviously believes 100% in the Quran not only as the God's revelation, but His final and most complete revelation.
The Quran commemorates his life and confirms exactly who he was.
...
and if all of that was merely for nothing, it just happens that muslims have held Jerusalem (that important city in the bible) longer than the jews and christians did, combined. If you really do believe in the bible, you'd know what can't have happened if islam was a false religion.

There are plenty of prophecies about him, they're scaringly accurate. My fav one is Wisdom 1-3.....how ironic.
 
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"Of course it ( SHE) existed before Jesus existed "

I rest my case. Anyway. We have no proof Jesus existed. God NEVER uttered a word about him. Besides whether the word existed before wisdom or not is irrelevant to the point I was making. Remind you God never spoke about a word so imo that's neither here nor there.

Anyway none of you find it strange God never spoke of this savior.

All these great things were spoken about Wisdom, David, Michael, even Satan made a few appearances......but no mention of this great savior sun/son ?

Filed under things that make you go hmmm ?

Also thanks for pointing out to fellow Christians that the " word" and Jesus are two different things.

As you put it " of course it ( she/wisdom ) existed before Jesus, but did she exist before the word"

Signifying that Jesus allegedly came after the word and wisdom. If he came lol. I know he didn't come but one step at a time for the Christians. Very telling.

Now let's continue with the timeline...

You don't even have knowledge of the nature of causality so your entire point fails.
Before God created the world, the divine decree was created...it's a bit like a computer program where the code is written before the program is run.
Your point is a little bit like saying, the code is greater than arguably the most important character in the program. Even though the program was created FOR the character(s).

In the case of Jesus Christ, not only are there very many scaringly accurate prophecies about him (one of my most fav being Wisdom chapters 1-3)...his life and the religion based on him is a testament to what he was. He's basically the most important/famous man to have ever lived.
As for GOD 'uttering' something about him, aside from the bible, i'm a muslim who obviously believes 100% in the Quran not only as the God's revelation, but His final and most complete revelation.
The Quran commemorates his life and confirms exactly who he was.
...
and if all of that was merely for nothing, it just happens that muslims have held Jerusalem (that important city in the bible) longer than the jews and christians did, combined. If you really do believe in the bible, you'd know what can't have happened if islam was a false religion.

There are plenty of prophecies about him, they're scaringly accurate. My fav one is Wisdom 1-3.....how ironic.
 
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and if all of that was merely for nothing, it just happens that muslims have held Jerusalem (that important city in the bible) longer than the jews and christians did, combined. If you really do believe in the bible, you'd know what can't have happened if islam was a false religion.
Thats wishful thinking that those who held the land the longest are of the truth, but nothing in the bible (or Quran I would assume) suggests that.
 
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O so you already knew ISRAEL was the son ? Not judging by your response.

I still don't think you know ???
it's just symbolic terminology
i'm not so much interested in individual terms, but what they actually represent in this case in the grand cosmological system within the bible......
The Word/Logos/Image/Son referring to the same thing, the universal consciousness.
Wisdom is the universal intelligence
intelligence/wisdom is not cosmologically greater than pure consciousness.
it's a tool of consciousness.

By specifically referring to the individual man, Jesus Christ..doesn't take away from the fact that he was the Logos made flesh.
 

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You don't even have knowledge of the nature of causality so your entire point fails.
Before God created the world, the divine decree was created...it's a bit like a computer program where the code is written before the program is run.
Your point is a little bit like saying, the code is greater than arguably the most important character in the program. Even though the program was created FOR the character(s).

In the case of Jesus Christ, not only are there very many scaringly accurate prophecies about him (one of my most fav being Wisdom chapters 1-3)...his life and the religion based on him is a testament to what he was. He's basically the most important/famous man to have ever lived.
As for GOD 'uttering' something about him, aside from the bible, i'm a muslim who obviously believes 100% in the Quran not only as the God's revelation, but His final and most complete revelation.
The Quran commemorates his life and confirms exactly who he was.
...
and if all of that was merely for nothing, it just happens that muslims have held Jerusalem (that important city in the bible) longer than the jews and christians did, combined. If you really do believe in the bible, you'd know what can't have happened if islam was a false religion.

There are plenty of prophecies about him, they're scaringly accurate. My fav one is Wisdom 1-3.....how ironic.

Do note the lack of scriptures. Wisdom 1- through 3 ??

Anyway I understand what you are saying. You are speaking on a whole another level. An allegorical level.

However. We are dealing with the religious. Let's start with the simplest form. If you can't understand it in simple form like Adam and Eve per say.....you definitely won't understand it on a scientific allegorical level. I do but this is not about me. I'm fine spiritually.

Btw I do not accept the Quran as the words of God. Our scripture tells us "HE DECLARED HIS WORD TO JACOB AND HAS NOT DONE SO WITH ANY OTHER NATION. They know nothing of his laws praise Yah" (Psalms 147:19)
 
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I should not write so facetiously, but it IS a valid question, dear Yahda
O so you already knew ISRAEL was the son ? Not judging by your response.

I still don't think you know ???

Lest we forget that God still loved the Gentiles, and communication with them is recorded in the Old Testament. The Gentiles did not receive the law of Moses, but were held accountable by what we call our conscience. Remember, Adam and Eve were created in the image of God and were NOT "Jews" or Israelites.

Paul (your favorite!) states this in Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
 

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I should not write so facetiously, but it IS a valid question, dear Yahda



Lest we forget that God still loved the Gentiles, and communication with them is recorded in the Old Testament. The Gentiles did not receive the law of Moses, but were held accountable by what we call our conscience. Remember, Adam and Eve were created in the image of God and were NOT "Jews" or Israelites.

Paul (your favorite!) states this in Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Again No scriptures from the OT.

In the Old,God said he declared it all so you should be able to show me through his words in the OT. None of you can do that. Even when you try one has to be heavy on the imagination.
 

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Hint: the verses telling of God's communications with Gentile Adam all the way through Gentile Abraham are in the O.T.
 
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Thats wishful thinking that those who held the land the longest are of the truth, but nothing in the bible (or Quran I would assume) suggests that.
You're obviously just saying this for the sake of saying it, when you know full well Jerusalem is the epicenter of the entire old testament story...and that story revolves around faith and righteousness.
You don't need a bit of scripture to specifically spoonfeed you the obvious fact that Jerusalem's long term posessers are always going to the ones considered most righteous in the eyes of God.
 

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So in other words you can't give me the scriptures from the OT ?

Anyway. All I found was a bunch of misconceptions. We have already provided enough evidence that Daniel was not in reference to Jesus, nor when the OT mentions a messiah or anointed one is it referring to him. David was anointed. There was a few messiah's...like come on.

Btw I don't usually follow links, nor do I post them. I don't post or watch videos. Nor do I trust the work of so called scholars, nor do I need to read 3 page post...or anything of that nature.

The truth is simple and it comes from your heart. You should be able to put into words what you think or feel. You should be able to give me scriptures. I shouldn't have to click links and read others work...

That's our problem now.
That is unfortunate that you don't always follow links that have been suggested for you, since you seem genuinely interested in the topic. If you are time limited for whatever reason that is perfectly understandable though.

So you often dismiss work of scholars? That is very unfortunate for someone who appears to value knowledge highly. That viewpoint is a polar opposite to mine. I believe people who have studied and researched material for years know way more than I do, therefore their material is of much higher value. Personal gut feelings are not always reliable after all.
I also tend to glance over walls of text on blogs and forums. I prefer to see links to proper information sources to reach my own conclusions.

What I believe? I believe Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies exactly. That the bible is the inspired Word of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Not wisdom personified, that is referring to Jesus himself.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Was Daniel or Michael ever called the above highlighted words?

One thing I have already noticed is that on this forum it appears some people have told themselves because the New Testament doesn't make sense to them, it therefore isn't true. They then avoid mentioning the New Testament completely because they have already decided that it cannot be trusted at all. They have faith in their own understanding. That is what made religions like Islam develop.
 
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Heres a verse you could have used Lady:

Isaiah 56
Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;

Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

There it tells you that even foreigners have a place with the Most High. But they have to do as Israel was told to do. Most christians dont like to do that and call that judaizing. With all that said, Adam wasnt a "gentile" or "foreigner" just because he wasnt an Israelite.
 
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You're obviously just saying this for the sake of saying it, when you know full well Jerusalem is the epicenter of the entire old testament story...and that story revolves around faith and righteousness.
You don't need a bit of scripture to specifically spoonfeed you the obvious fact that Jerusalem's long term posessers are always going to the ones considered most righteous in the eyes of God.
Im not saying this just to say it. Im saying that YOU are the one that says the ones who hold the land the longest are the most righteous. God never said that in the bible, and that sentiment to my knowledge is never shared in the quran.

Land possession doesnt tell anyone who is the most righteous.
 

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That is unfortunate that you don't always follow links that have been suggested for you, since you seem genuinely interested in the topic. If you are time limited for whatever reason that is perfectly understandable though.

So you often dismiss work of scholars? That is very unfortunate for someone who appears to value knowledge highly. That viewpoint is a polar opposite to mine. I believe people who have studied and researched material for years know way more than I do, therefore their material is of much higher value. Personal gut feelings are not always reliable after all.

I also tend to glance over walls of text on blogs and forums. I prefer to see links to proper information sources to reach my own conclusions.

What I believe? I believe Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies exactly. That the bible is the inspired Word of God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Not wisdom personified, that is referring to Jesus himself.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Was Daniel or Michael ever called the above highlighted words?

One thing I have already noticed is that on this forum it appears some people have told themselves because the New Testament doesn't make sense to you, it therefore isn't true. They then avoid mentioning the New Testament completely because they have already decided that it cannot be trusted at all. They have faith in their own understanding.

That's every thing said about David, the root of Jesse, a child from Bethlehem Isaiah 11:1,11:10, 1st Samuel 17:12, psalms 78:71, 89:26-36.....
 

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Why are you christian if you are/could be Israel?
Hey, thanks for the extra verses! Yahda asked for one, so I filled in the missing blank!
I am Christian because God has revealed Yeshua to me. Here is another verse from OT for Yahda,
When Shadrach, Meshach and Abedneggo were in the fiery furnace, a fourth "man" was seen alongside them.
Here is the exciting verse:
Dan. 3:25
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Halleluyah!
 

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Hey, thanks for the extra verses! Yahda asked for one, so I filled in the missing blank!
I am Christian because God has revealed Yeshua to me. Here is another verse from OT for Yahda,
When Shadrach, Meshach and Abedneggo were in the fiery furnace, a fourth "man" was seen alongside them.
Here is the exciting verse:
Dan. 3:25
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Halleluyah!

As I said you have to live as Israel or else.

Btw Daniel says look like a son of the gods. Small "g" with a "s" ijs.

Even if it was a capital G it would read son of God, which are angels
 

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