God Calling

Lisa

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But angel, there are thousands of chickensh*t "gods" all around the world with stupid names, but Christianity is above all that nonsense because it doesn't belittle God by trying to slap a name on him.. :p
I mean, just look at these sad freaks with names-
I did tell you it would go over your head...

The different names reflect the His nature...
The Father is aka Yahweh, I AM, Abba, Alpha and Omega..etc...
The Son is aka Jesus, Emmanuel, Messiah..etc..
The Holy Spirit is aka as the Helper, Convector of Sin, Teacher...etc...
 






shankara

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Your human is still trying to argue its upside down and backward nonsense, and only making a bigger fool of itself in the process. It is the pagan sources that draw from Genesis, NOT the other way around. And now your human is pretending that it wants to discuss things, which is to say it hopes to be able to teach others about spiritual matters it knows absolutely nothing about, even after its ignorance has been repeatedly exposed. And yes, it's trying to lead anyone astray who will listen to its satanic nonsense, whether you are aware of it or not.

We ALL have a common enemy: our "selves" (our egos). It's completely intuitive to help another who is under attack from that enemy, before the enemy destroys them. Unfortunately that isn't possible though when the other is convinced that his worst enemy is his best friend, as appears to be the case with you.

The immutable universal law is found in the first five books of the Bible, which your human has conned you into believing is kabbalistic and the product of pagan stories, all of which is patently false. That Perfect Law of Liberty not only contains The Commandments, Judgments and Statutes that form the basis for the perfect system of Justice, it also contains the perfect system of governance, the perfect agricultural policy, the perfect economic policy, and the perfect healthy diet.

Those who take the time to read, study and put into practices these basic, universal principles will live and grow through the better understanding they have for our Creator, Who gave us His Law to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free.

If you would genuinely like to have a productive discussion, then please read The Way home or face The Fire and study The Law. That way we can discuss something real, instead of figments of some human's imagination.

Peace be upon you.
Of course being "outside" it isn't possible that I have any genuine knowledge.

In order to be "inside":

I would have to reject the wisdom of my spiritual teachers as satanic deviations and accept your master as the one true master. Not to mention rejecting my own spiritual experiences as purely products of ego.

I would have accept the irrational as rational and believe that the word "democracy" comes from "demon" and "crazy" rather than it's actual ancient Greek roots, and if I think otherwise that would be because I am possessed by demonic forces.

I would have to find solace only in "approved" art, regarding the film "Dune" as divinely inspired whilst rejecting the work of William Blake and Victor Hugo as merely satanic products of ego.

I would have to see the rest of humanity as the incarnate hosts of the devil rather than as suffering beings, misguided and toiling under oppression but not fundamentally evil.

I would have to accept the literalist interpretations common to fundamentalist sects and see things in the way which is compatible with your dogma, abandoning thinking for myself.

I have no problem with you practising asceticisms, celibacy etc., this is virtuous and positive. However I cannot accept the teaching of your group, which for all the reasons listed above appears to me to be a cult.
 






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Of course being "outside" it isn't possible that I have any genuine knowledge.
Why would you want to be the outside (human) instead of the inside (spirit-Being) that is the REAL you?

In order to be "inside":

I would have to reject the wisdom of my spiritual teachers as satanic deviations and accept your master as the one true master.
Correct. It may have escaped you, but there are over 300 prophecies in the Bible alone about Jesus (some hundreds and even thousands of years in advance), ALL of which were fulfilled in exact and minute detail in the coming of Christ in the body of Jesus 2000 years ago. Do you have any idea please what the mathematical odds are of Him doing that?

http://oneinmessiah.net/333Prophecies.htm


And what other ancient, historical text can compare?

https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence

https://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2012/12/11/how-do-other-ancient-texts-compare-to-the-new-testament/


Not to mention rejecting my own spiritual experiences as purely products of ego.
If they are guiding you away from the truth, then yes. You must unlearn what you have learned.

I would have accept the irrational as rational and believe that the word "democracy" comes from "demon" and "crazy" rather than it's actual ancient Greek roots, and if I think otherwise that would be because I am possessed by demonic forces.
Please look at everything you(?) have posted within this thread. You have offered nothing but your own opinions, with zero evidence. You advise others to reject the Bible (including the Quran) because you say so, launching your own irrational and baseless ad hominem attack against it, by claiming it's "dogma" when you clearly don't understand the Bible or even what the word "dogma" means.

Wouldn't that be evidence enough for any rationally-minded human+Being to acknowledge they are seeing things upside down and backwards, i.e. what they think is rational is really irrational, and what they think is irrational is really rational? Does any rationally-minded human+Being employ multiple logical fallacies in a single sentence, to try to make their points?

Democracy is supposed to be the rule of the majority. Government of the majority of the people, for the majority of the people, by the majority of the people. Why not take a logical look at how it actually works and compare the smooth deceptive definition, to stark reality.

In the western world approximately 95% of the wealth is possessed by approximately 5% of the people. That means, using these same figures, that 95% of the people, the overwhelming majority, possess only 5% of the wealth.

The politicians would have us all believe that this is the will of the majority. That is the politicians' idea of what they call democracy.

When did the 95% of people, the overwhelming majority, ever vote for the right for themselves to be poor and vote for the tiny 5% minority to possess their own (the poor people's) share of the nation's wealth, that the poor majority's ancestors have fought and died to protect? Materialism IS demonic. Democracy IS a system that causes poverty. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting it to turn out differently IS the classic definition of insanity according to Einstein.

The Ruler of the Universe has prohibited democracy because He knew that the rich would use it and other means to deceive and rip everyone else off; keep the majority down and poor; just as He wrote, via His Prophets in The Bible.

He gave the world, via Moses, the perfect system of government, under which there is no poverty; no poor people and consequently no need to resort to crime to survive. He prohibited the writing of laws and economic policies by humans, in order to protect the majority from abuse, and oppression created under the home-made legislation of the rich and powerful. Do you really think it's just a coincidence that so many have accepted such an openly demonic corporate system as demo-cracy, which causes poverty, oppression and injustice, as "rational" even though they are obviously suffering (physically and mentally, i.e. being driven crazy) under it?

Can you really not see how irrational your attack is against pointing this obvious truth out to others, so they can reconsider the fact that democracy is NOT the cure-all mantra we've been led to believe? How would YOU propose we eliminate all poverty and crime, and stop the insanity of democracy and materialism, which IS destroying the Earth and our own life-support system?

I would have to find solace only in "approved" art, regarding the film "Dune" as divinely inspired whilst rejecting the work of William Blake and Victor Hugo as merely satanic products of ego.
Would you rather see things as they really are, learning to properly differentiate between that which is right and that which is wrong - so that you do no harm to others - or would you like to continue doing whatever you believe is right which is, in truth, doing immeasurable harm to the Earth and ALL of its living creatures, including mankind?

I would have to see the rest of humanity as the incarnate hosts of the devil rather than as suffering beings, misguided and toiling under oppression but not fundamentally evil.
We all need to see things as they really are, NOT as we want them to be. And that look BEGINS with an honest examination of our own "self", which is the only thing each of us truly have the power to control.

IF everyone was doing that, this world would transform overnight into the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth that it was always meant to be. The first step to recovery is recognizing a problem exists, followed by having the courage to face that challenge and do something about it.

I would have to accept the literalist interpretations common to fundamentalist sects and see things in the way which is compatible with your dogma, abandoning thinking for myself.
Wouldn't you rather learn how to master rational thought than continue to be deceived by your "self"? Can you really not envision how amazing it must be to be directly connected to our Creator at all times, so He can help and guide you every step of The Way?

How else could any of us hope to be at ONE with each other and all living things?

For reference, to help you in your battle against the "self", the logical fallacies you employed in just the one sentence above: false dichotomy, strawman argument, causal fallacy and ad hominem attack (and probably more), all of which were a red herring to deflect attention away from your "self".

I have no problem with you practising asceticisms, celibacy etc., this is virtuous and positive. However I cannot accept the teaching of your group, which for all the reasons listed above appears to me to be a cult.
Strawman, ad hominem, etc.

The word "cult" is the root word for "culture", which are the traditions of men, including all organized religions.

Matthew 15:1-9
15:1 Then came to Jesus lawyers and politicians, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the Tradition of the Elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say (the exact opposite), Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me (far removed from the truth).
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws/legislation).

Every cult/culture on Earth is doing their own thing, thinking they have it right and that everyone else has it wrong, in one form or another.

What everyone should be doing is this: come out of and destroy all of these man-made cults, remember who and what we are (extraterrestrial spiritual-Beings), and return to keeping The Commandments/Law of God, which were given to us to protect us from all of this evil and to set and keep us free. Free from all cults, including the cults of intellectualism, materialism, democracy, and the rest of the religious superstitions, including Darwinism and science (knowledge falsely so-called - 1 Tim. 5:20).

Only when we are free of all cults and their superstitious nonsense, can we attain an environment where everyone loves and respects one another and all living things, as our Creator and heavenly Father has COMMANDED us to do for our own individual and collective benefit.
 






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shankara

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Why would you want to be the outside (human) instead of the inside (spirit-Being) that is the REAL you?
By "outside" I meant outside of your particular system of beliefs.

Correct. It may have escaped you, but there are over 300 prophecies in the Bible alone about Jesus (some hundreds and even thousands of years in advance), ALL of which were fulfilled in exact and minute detail in the coming of Christ in the body of Jesus 2000 years ago. Do you have any idea please what the mathematical odds are of Him doing that?

http://oneinmessiah.net/333Prophecies.htm


And what other ancient, historical text can compare?

https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence

https://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2012/12/11/how-do-other-ancient-texts-compare-to-the-new-testament/
I wasn't referring to Jesus. He was a genuine Adept. The person behind your organization is not. Sure, the sayings of Christ are valuable wisdom, I accept them, though I differ from you in matters of interpretation.

If they are guiding you away from the truth, then yes. You must unlearn what you have learned.
Guiding me away from what you consider to be the truth. I am not a relativist, so I'm not going to say that there are multiple "truths" as such. However people have vision in accordance with their Karma, vision which by definition is partial. Nonetheless I am quite comfortable with some of the things I believe, because just like you claim to I have subjected them to logical analysis, while you are unfortunately incapable of questioning anything that comes out of the mouth of your so-called prophet.

Please look at everything you(?) have posted within this thread. You have offered nothing but your own opinions, with zero evidence. You advise others to reject the Bible (including the Quran) because you say so, launching your own irrational and baseless ad hominem attack against it, by claiming it's "dogma" when you clearly don't understand the Bible or even what the word "dogma" means.

Wouldn't that be evidence enough for any rationally-minded human+Being that they are seeing things upside down and backwards, i.e. what they think is rational is really irrational, and what they think is irrational is really rational? Does any rationally-minded human+Being employ multiple logical fallacies to try to make their points?
I'm not against the Bible. I'm against your exoteric and literalist interpretation of the Bible, an interpretation which is nothing more than the unjustified exaltation of a tribal deity, a Demiurge rather than a Supreme Being. A Supreme Being like Parabrahman, "which is beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations" i.e. not an idol.

Democracy is supposed to be the rule of the majority. Government of the majority of the people, for the majority of the people, by the majority of the people. Why not take a logical look at how it actually works and compare the smooth deceptive definition, to stark reality.

In the western world approximately 95% of the wealth is possessed by approximately 5% of the people. That means, using these same figures, that 95% of the people, the overwhelming majority, possess only 5% of the wealth.

The politicians would have us all believe that this is the will of the majority. That is the politician's idea of what they call democracy.

When did the 95% of people, the overwhelming majority, ever vote for the right for themselves to be poor and vote for the tiny 5% minority to possess their own (the poor people's) share of the nation's wealth, that the poor majority's ancestors have fought and died to protect? Materialism IS demonic. Democracy IS a system that causes poverty. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting it to turn out differently IS the classic definition of insanity according to Einstein.

The Ruler of the Universe has prohibited democracy because He knew that the rich would use it and other means to deceive and rip everyone else off; keep the majority down and poor; just as He wrote, via His Prophets in The Bible.

He gave the world, via Moses, the perfect system of government, under which there is no poverty; no poor people and consequently no need to resort to crime to survive. He prohibited the writing of laws and economic policies by humans, in order to protect the majority from abuse, and oppression created under the home-made legislation of the rich and powerful. Do you really think it's just a coincidence that so many have accepted such an openly demonic corporate system as demo-cracy, which causes poverty, oppression and injustice, as "rational" even though they are obviously suffering (physically and mentally, i.e. being driven crazy) under it?

Can you really not see how irrational your attack is against pointing this obvious truth out to others, so they can reconsider the fact that democracy is the cure-all mantra we've been led to believe? How would YOU propose we eliminate all poverty and crime, and stop the insanity of democracy and materialism, which IS destroying the Earth and our own life-support system?
Did I say that I was in favor of democracy? Personally I believe it is complex, however I'm certainly not in favor of the capitalist propagandocracy which is falsely called democracy at present! I was simply pointing out that believing it has the roots "demon" and "crazy" is just irrational projection.

Would you rather see things as they really are, learning to properly differentiate between that which is right and that which is wrong - so that you do no harm to others - or would you like to continue doing whatever you believe is right, which is truth is doing immeasurable harm to the Earth and ALL of its living creatures, including mankind?


We all need to see things as they really are, NOT as we want them to be. And that look BEGINS with an honest examination of our own "self", which is the only thing each of us truly have the power to control.

IF everyone was doing that, this world would transform overnight into the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth that it was always meant to be. The first step to recovery is recognizing a problem exists, followed by having the courage to face that challenge and do something about it.
I'm not denying that the present state of things is not good and that dark forces are at work. There is great decadence, corruption, cruelty. However I'm not operating with the projection that humanity is for this reason evil, a notion which is no wiser than the exoteric Christians, the viewpoint of organized religion. Rather, humanity is at a stage where it has the choice either to evolve or go backwards, there will be those who ascend and those who have to go back and start again.

My equivalent of the "fire" you speak of would be re-evolving through the mineral, plant and animal realms. This is a very painful and difficult process. I would compare the world to a school. If a person doesn't work hard enough, they might have to go back and repeat the year. Certainly one would not kill the person for their failure! Consider also that the Eastern religions all speak of incarnation in the bodies of animals.

In order to make this clearer to you, I would point to an interpretation of the story of Genesis. The Christians interpret the serpent as a symbol of evil, despite Christ saying "be wise as serpents". But from another perspective, the Garden of Eden was the false paradise of a demiurge. This represents the state of innocence before embodiment, when the consciousness which was later to become human was in a state of blissful elemental ignorance. The serpent liberates the people from this false paradise by the Tree of Knowledge, "opening their eyes" and letting them "know good and evil". However this means that they are banished from the paradise until they again become innocent through spiritual struggle and self-sacrifice - but this time a wise innocence, an innocence which has experienced both good and evil, an innocence with awareness. That is to say innocent human beings rather than innocent elemental spirits. Not using the word "human" as a pejorative, as you do.

The "Fall of the Angels" is simply this, the transition from blissful ignorance, through the rigors of Karma and material existence, then back again through conscious efforts, struggles and trials. Doesn't this make more sense than the idea of an unwanted and unnecessary revolution in some paradise realm? Isn't it less twisted and paranoiac?

Wouldn't you rather learn how to master rational thought than continue to be deceived by your "self"? Can you really not envision how amazing it must be to be directly connected to our Creator at all times, so He can help and guide you every step of The Way?

How else could any of us hope to be at ONE with each other and all living things?

For reference, to help you in your battle against the "self", the logical fallacies you just employed in just the one sentence above: false dichotomy, strawman argument, causal fallacy and ad hominem attack (and probably more), all of which were a red herring to deflect attention away from your "self".
I don't think that there is a fallacy of false dichotomy involved in suggesting that literalist sects tend to be fundamentalist sects, this is observable and I think statistics would prove me right. Strawman, well I don't think so because I was describing quite accurately what your teachings are, including the fact that you seem to be quite limited in terms of your freedom of thought. Causal fallacy, well I'd say that literalism and fundamentalism are both causes of one-another and often correlated with a dogmatic mindset. As for ad hominem I don't see how I was making any personal criticism, I wasn't saying "you believe this stuff because you are idiots who have done lots of bad things". Quite the opposite actually, I think you believe this stuff because you possess a certain intelligence, just one which is rather caught up in melodrama.

In any case, the teachings of your guru are a lot less rational than many of the Eastern teachings, Krishna Consciousness is more coherent, never mind the Madhyamaka Buddhist teachings which accept no demiurge.

Strawman, ad hominem, etc.

The word "cult" is the root word for "culture", which are the traditions of men, including all organized religions.

Matthew 15:1-9
15:1 Then came to Jesus lawyers and politicians, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the Tradition of the Elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say (the exact opposite), Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me (far removed from the truth).
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made laws/legislation).

Every cult/culture on Earth is doing their own thing, thinking they have it right and that everyone else has it wrong, in one form or another.

What everyone should be doing is this: come out of and destroy all of these man-made cults, remember who and what we are (extraterrestrial spiritual-Beings), and return to keeping The Commandments/Law of God, which were given to us to protect us from all of this evil and to set and keep us free. Free from all cults, including the cults of intellectualism, materialism, democracy, and the rest of the religious superstitions, including Darwinism and science (knowledge falsely so-called - 1 Tim. 5:20).

Only when we are free of all cults and their superstitious nonsense, can we attain an environment where everyone loves and respects one another and all living things, as our Creator and heavenly Father has COMMANDED us to do for our own individual and collective benefit.
Cult also has the modern connotation of a religious group which uses fear tactics and psychological pressure in order to make it's members defend bizarre doctrines and generally regard the outside world as totally evil, only those on the inside being possessed of the one unique and absolute truth which nobody else has even the slightest understanding of. I wouldn't dispute with you that organized religions are like this in some way, the Abrahamic religions especially in their own way with the whole "believe in Jesus or suffer forever" bullshit

But I really think that before you start trying to convert others to your way of thinking you should consider your own situation from a psychological viewpoint. It's quite impossible to have any kind of inner freedom, that is to say not be "brainwashed", when you believe that any thought which calls into doubt the way of thinking you have entirely internalized is the "telepathic voice of the devil".
 






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By "outside" I meant outside of your particular system of beliefs.



I wasn't referring to Jesus. He was a genuine Adept. The person behind your organization is not. Sure, the sayings of Christ are valuable wisdom, I accept them, though I differ from you in matters of interpretation.



Guiding me away from what you consider to be the truth. I am not a relativist, so I'm not going to say that there are multiple "truths" as such. However people have vision in accordance with their Karma, vision which by definition is partial. Nonetheless I am quite comfortable with some of the things I believe, because just like you claim to I have subjected them to logical analysis, while you are unfortunately incapable of questioning anything that comes out of the mouth of your so-called prophet.



I'm not against the Bible. I'm against your exoteric and literalist interpretation of the Bible, an interpretation which is nothing more than the unjustified exaltation of a tribal deity, a Demiurge rather than a Supreme Being. A Supreme Being like Parabrahman, "which is beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations" i.e. not an idol.



Did I say that I was in favor of democracy? Personally I believe it is complex, however I'm certainly not in favor of the capitalist propagandocracy which is falsely called democracy at present! I was simply pointing out that believing it has the roots "demon" and "crazy" is just irrational projection.



I'm not denying that the present state of things is not good and that dark forces are at work. There is great decadence, corruption, cruelty. However I'm not operating with the projection that humanity is for this reason evil, a notion which is no wiser than the exoteric Christians, the viewpoint of organized religion. Rather, humanity is at a stage where it has the choice either to evolve or go backwards, there will be those who ascend and those who have to go back and start again.

My equivalent of the "fire" you speak of would be re-evolving through the mineral, plant and animal realms. This is a very painful and difficult process. I would compare the world to a school. If a person doesn't work hard enough, they might have to go back and repeat the year. Certainly one would not kill the person for their failure! Consider also that the Eastern religions all speak of incarnation in the bodies of animals.

In order to make this clearer to you, I would point to an interpretation of the story of Genesis. The Christians interpret the serpent as a symbol of evil, despite Christ saying "be wise as serpents". But from another perspective, the Garden of Eden was the false paradise of a demiurge. This represents the state of innocence before embodiment, when the consciousness which was later to become human was in a state of blissful elemental ignorance. The serpent liberates the people from this false paradise by the Tree of Knowledge, "opening their eyes" and letting them "know good and evil". However this means that they are banished from the paradise until they again become innocent through spiritual struggle and self-sacrifice - but this time a wise innocence, an innocence which has experienced both good and evil, an innocence with awareness. That is to say innocent human beings rather than innocent elemental spirits. Not using the word "human" as a pejorative, as you do.

The "Fall of the Angels" is simply this, the transition from blissful ignorance, through the rigors of Karma and material existence, then back again through conscious efforts, struggles and trials. Doesn't this make more sense than the idea of an unwanted and unnecessary revolution in some paradise realm? Isn't it less twisted and paranoiac?



I don't think that there is a fallacy of false dichotomy involved in suggesting that literalist sects tend to be fundamentalist sects, this is observable and I think statistics would prove me right. Strawman, well I don't think so because I was describing quite accurately what your teachings are, including the fact that you seem to be quite limited in terms of your freedom of thought. Causal fallacy, well I'd say that literalism and fundamentalism are both causes of one-another and often correlated with a dogmatic mindset. As for ad hominem I don't see how I was making any personal criticism, I wasn't saying "you believe this stuff because you are idiots who have done lots of bad things". Quite the opposite actually, I think you believe this stuff because you possess a certain intelligence, just one which is rather caught up in melodrama.

In any case, the teachings of your guru are a lot less rational than many of the Eastern teachings, Krishna Consciousness is more coherent, never mind the Madhyamaka Buddhist teachings which accept no demiurge.



Cult also has the modern connotation of a religious group which uses fear tactics and psychological pressure in order to make it's members defend bizarre doctrines and generally regard the outside world as totally evil, only those on the inside being possessed of the one unique and absolute truth which nobody else has even the slightest understanding of. I wouldn't dispute with you that organized religions are like this in some way, the Abrahamic religions especially in their own way with the whole "believe in Jesus or suffer forever" bullshit

But I really think that before you start trying to convert others to your way of thinking you should consider your own situation from a psychological viewpoint. It's quite impossible to have any kind of inner freedom, that is to say not be "brainwashed", when you believe that any thought which calls into doubt the way of thinking you have entirely internalized is the "telepathic voice of the devil".
If you wish to continue to promote lies as if they are the truth, and attack the truth as if it is a lie, then you (your "self" really) make it impossible to have a rational discussion with you (the spirit-Being trapped inside of that selfish/evil human body). Everything you(?) have stated above is nothing more than self-contradictory nonsense that your "self" hopes will deflect attention away from it and its irrational/illogical viewpoints. That way it can continue serving itself, with you just along for the ride, helping to destroy the world for its master, the Destroyer (Satan, the self-professed "architect of the universe"/demiurge).

It (Satan, through your ego/"self") has even conned you into thinking humans are "innocent" as if the entire world FILLED with evidence of their destructive nature isn't a witness against that obvious lie. All part of the mass insanity which has brought this world to the brink of total annihilation. No wonder there will only be 144,000 redeemed from this lunatic asylum. Right now that sounds like a huge number to anyone who is remotely awake and paying attention.

With regard to your(?) feeble attempt to discredit the Bible (wittingly or otherwise), which is exactly what you're doing when you claim those who believe our Creator says exactly what He means and means exactly what He says are allegedly a "literalists", consider this:

The King Ruler of the Universe has very specifically warned us that the U.S. and U.K. are going to be defeated by Russia and China in WW3, after the indigenous people of Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran are driven from their countries and/or wiped out. We've even been given the number of the Eastern block military forces that will be arrayed against the West: 200,000,000.

Hopefully we can agree that these events have not yet occurred, so that when they do in the coming months, you perhaps will be able to see the truth that's been shared here for your benefit and for the benefit of others who may be reading this.

It also seems noteworthy to correct your errant notion that I'm trying to convert you to anything, because there's no organization or religion to convert anyone to in any shape, way, manner or form. The TRUTHFUL information that's been shared with you and others is to help awaken them to the TRUTH, which is ETERNAL AND UNCHANGING, and doesn't require anyone to believe in it or accept it, but is loved and cherished by all who do.
 






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If you wish to continue to promote lies as if they are the truth, and attack the truth as if it is a lie, then you (your "self" really) make it impossible to have a rational discussion with you (the spirit-Being trapped inside of that selfish/evil human body). Everything you(?) have stated above is nothing more than self-contradictory nonsense that your "self" hopes will deflect attention away from it and its irrational/illogical viewpoints. That way it can continue serving itself, with you just along for the ride, helping to destroy the world for its master, the Destroyer (Satan, the self-professed "architect of the universe"/demiurge).

It (Satan, through your ego/"self") has even conned you into thinking humans are "innocent" as if the entire world FILLED with evidence of their destructive nature isn't a witness against that obvious lie. All part of the mass insanity which has brought this world to the brink of total annihilation. No wonder there will only be 144,000 redeemed from this lunatic asylum. Right now that sounds like a huge number to anyone who is remotely awake and paying attention.

With regard to your(?) feeble attempt to discredit the Bible (wittingly or otherwise), which is exactly what you're doing when you claim those who believe our Creator says exactly what He means and means exactly what He says are allegedly a "literalists", consider this:

The King Ruler of the Universe has very specifically warned us that the U.S. and U.K. are going to be defeated by Russia and China in WW3, after the indigenous people of Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran are driven from their countries and/or wiped out. We've even been given the number of the Eastern block military forces that will be arrayed against the West: 200,000,000.

Hopefully we can agree that these events have not yet occurred, so that when they do in the coming months, you perhaps will be able to see the truth that's been shared here for your benefit and for the benefit of others who may be reading this.

It also seems noteworthy to correct your errant notion that nobody is trying to convert you to anything, because there's no organization or religion to convert anyone to in any shape, way, manner or form. The TRUTHFUL information that's been shared with you and others is to help awaken them to the TRUTH, which is ETERNAL AND UNCHANGING, and doesn't require anyone to believe in it or accept it, but is loved and cherished by all who do.
Very well, we'll leave it to the verdict of public opinion of whoever might see this thread as to which of us is speaking sanely. The major point on which we disagree is on whether humanity is truly wicked and evil (your perspective) or whether this whole situation we are in is a necessary process of evolution. Yes, the society is deeply corrupt and materialistic, depraved even, and many won't arrive at the next stage and will have to go through a great deal of suffering before having the opportunity again. But fundamentally evil and worthy only of eternal suffering? I can see how people who still have psychological complexes due to Abrahamic conditioning could come to think so, your doctrine would be very appealing to them.

There is also the question of Parabrahman and whether it is possible to apply concepts to Divinity. Again, I believe that IT is "beyond all descriptions and conceptualisations" , including being "Father" and being "outside of space and time". But I can see how other conceptions might prove useful to different people in terms of their own spiritual path, indeed perhaps in a sense, what we conceptualize IT to be is what IT is... So this of somewhat less importance than my first point.

As for your insistence that my views are self-contradictory and not founded on any evidence, the former I don't believe to be so, and the latter, well, pretty much everything I have said has come from various scriptures including the Bible and, mostly, the "Gnostic" interpretations of various spiritual groups and commentators, I'm not just inventing things from my own uneducated imagination.

In Buddhism we are taught to regard all sentient beings as Buddhas. All have Buddha nature, it may presently be hidden and distorted, like something seen in a cloudy mirror. Nonetheless it is there, and one day, I believe, all beings will arrive at Buddhahood, one way or another. Another key Buddhist teaching is to work on negative emotions. I make no judgement about whether you are angry or whether you are simply being forceful with a compassionate feeling (actually, as human beings we are never really free from ego I think, so there is always some mixture of the higher and lower elements). Nonetheless, you do come across as if you are in something of a rage and that could put some people off talking to you.

I would suggest that perhaps you might do better in your self-chosen mission by rather than always focusing on discord, to try to see where you have common ground with others. I pointed out a number of things on which we basically agree, you ignored that and simply treated everything I said as a product of "the enemy". I'm sure there are those who truly do "prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls", yet I'm pretty sure I'm not one of them. Finally, I hope you liked the song I shared, it's something quite close to my heart and I think that the sentiment it expresses is certainly something we can agree on.

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Never Feel Inadequate. - April 15

Obey My Commands. They are steps in the ladder that leads to success. Above all, keep calm, unmoved.

Go back into the silence to recover this calm when it is lost even for one moment. You accomplish more by this than by all the activities of a long day. At all cost keep calm, you can help nobody when you are agitated. I, your Lord, see not as man sees.

Never feel inadequate for any task. All work here is accomplished by My Spirit, and that can flow only through the most humble and lowly. It simply needs an unblocked channel. Rid yourself of 'Self' and all is well.

Pray about all, but concentrate on a few things until those are accomplished. I am watching over you. Strength (the Force) for your daily, hourly task is provided. Yours is the fault, the sin, if it is unclaimed, and you fail for lack of it.
 






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But angel, there are thousands of chickensh*t "gods" all around the world with stupid names, but Christianity is above all that nonsense because it doesn't belittle God by trying to slap a name on him.. :p
I mean, just look at these sad freaks with names-



















Thankyou for these beautiful pictures of the divinities of Sanatana Dharma. Of course you do understand that they are symbols and (in most schools of thought, one very interesting one excepted) not considered to be actual physical beings who actually look like this?

I think it's just wonderful that you are continuing the eternal battle of "my God is better than your God" which has proved so productive and useful to humanity over the centuries, and has certainly never led to war, suffering and intolerance.
 






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Thankyou for these beautiful pictures of the divinities of Sanatana Dharma. Of course you do understand that they are symbols and (in most schools of thought, one very interesting one excepted) not considered to be actual physical beings..

Sure, the Hindu "gods" look like pretty nancy-boys, but remember Paul said "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." (2 Cor 11:13/14)
And also don't forget that Hinduism's wretched "caste system" treats some people real bad-




I think I like Jesus's style better-

1- "Just you stick with me, chum"
2- "Thanks JC, you're my main man"
3- "Hey kiddo, why do you talk to riffraff like him?"
4- "ON YER BIKES YOU NUMBNUTS"

 






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Sure, the Hindu "gods" look like pretty nancy-boys, but remember Paul said "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." (2 Cor 11:13/14)
And also don't forget that Hinduism's wretched "caste system" treats some people real bad-




I think I like Jesus's style better-

1- "Just you stick with me, chum"
2- "Thanks JC, you're my main man"
3- "Hey kiddo, why do you talk to riffraff like him?"
4- "ON YER BIKES YOU NUMBNUTS"

As I said, the Deities are symbols of an Ultimate Reality which cannot be intellectually comprehended, ways of approaching IT (just as, in their own way, even the Abrahamic religions can be). Some are "pretty", some are ugly and terrifying, all are different facets of The Absolute.

As for the caste system, I agree fundamentally. This is why Buddha made it his mission to create a philosophy without a division of castes, and would perhaps have succeeded in achieving a reform of the Sanatana/Hindu religion itself rather than creating an offshoot from the philosophical tree, were it not for the craft and trickery of the Brahmins who wished to preserve their power...

On the other hand so-called Christians (few of whom have any respect for the actual teachings of the Christ and merely celebrate the crucifixion as if it were a good thing) have done their fair share of horrific things. The slave trade, the colonisation of countries (with a different kind of caste system, where the European invaders were considered better than the so-called "savages") and indeed the continuing economic oppression of the developing world which capitalism (a thing intimately linked with Protestantism) uses simply as a factory and for the extraction of resources, at the cost of poverty and suffering to the people, that without even going into the whole question of propping up politically and economically expedient dictators when it is in the (predominantly Protestant) West's interest.

I could perhaps enumerate the crimes of empire and colonialism, but there are so many I wouldn't know where to begin. In any case, compared to "us", the Brahmins don't look so bad...
 






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..so-called Christians..have done their fair share of horrific things. The slave trade, ..

Whoa there Jack, Christians bust a gut getting slavery stopped, Livingstone for example said "It is impossible to overstate the evils of slavery"
Below: Some of his diary entries as he trudged around Africa trying to put a stop to it-
7th August 1871 -"ill and almost every step in pain"
11th August-"Rested half a day as I am still ill"
13th August- "I am suffering greatly"
16th August- "To Luama river. Very ill with bowels"
19th-20th August- "Rest from weakness"
29th August- "ill all night, and remain"
30th August- "Ditto, ditto"
23rd September- "I felt as if dying on my feet..almost every step was in pain..violent diarrhoea"
8th October- "The dust of the march caused ophthalmia...ill"


 






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Whoa there Jack, Christians bust a gut getting slavery stopped, Livingstone for example said "It is impossible to overstate the evils of slavery"
Below: Some of his diary entries as he trudged around Africa trying to put a stop to it-
7th August 1871 -"ill and almost every step in pain"
11th August-"Rested half a day as I am still ill"
13th August- "I am suffering greatly"
16th August- "To Luama river. Very ill with bowels"
19th-20th August- "Rest from weakness"
29th August- "ill all night, and remain"
30th August- "Ditto, ditto"
23rd September- "I felt as if dying on my feet..almost every step was in pain..violent diarrhoea"
8th October- "The dust of the march caused ophthalmia...ill"


Yes perhaps some Christians did. There are, it is true, Christians with genuine feeling and even on occassion Christ-like love for their fellow humans. But there were also plenty of "Christian" slave traders who believed the Africans to be sons of Canaan ("Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren") and therefore born for the purpose of being servants to the white race.

Just goes to show how fools are capable of interpreting the Bible in ways justifying brutality, violence, cruelty, war etc.
 






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Love Your Servants. - April 16

Love, love, love. Tender love is the secret. Love those you are training, love those who work with you, love those who serve you.

Dwell on that thought - God is Love. Link it up with My "I and The Father are as One." Dwell on My actions on Earth. See in them Love in operation.

If it was God Who so acted, then it was Love, Perfect Love, performed those actions, those wonders. Then you, too, must put Love (God) into action in your lives. Perfect Love means perfect forgiveness. Lo, My children, you see that where God is there can be no lack of forgiveness, for that is really lack of love.

God is Love . . . . . . . . . no judging
God is Love . . . . . . . . . no resentment
God is Love . . . . . . . . . all patience
God is Love . . . . . . . . . all power
God is Love . . . . . . . . . all supply


All you need to have is love to God and man. Love to God ensures obedience to every wish, every Command. Love is the fulfilling of all Law.

Pray much for love.
 






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The Two Joys. - April 17

My children, I come. Hearts eager to do My Will send out a call that ever I find irresistible. I know no barrier then.

Resignation to My Will keeps Me barred-out from more hearts than does unbelief. Can anything be such a crime against Love as being resigned? My Will should be welcomed with a glad wonder, if I am to do My Work in the heart and life.

The only resignation that could possibly be acceptable to Me is when 'Self', ousted by My Claims, accepts the inevitable and resigns the throne for Me, leaving My disciple free to carry-out My Will, to welcome My Will gladly, rapturously.

In all true discipleship, and in the true spiritual development of each disciple, there is first the wonder and the joy of first acquaintance, then comes the long plain stretch of lesson-learning and discipline, when joy seems so much a thing of the past as never to be recaptured again.

But the constant experience of Me, the constant persistent recognition of My Work in daily happenings - the ever accumulating weight of evidence in support of My Guidance - the numberless instances in which seeming chance of wonderful coincidence can be, must be, traced back to My Loving forethought - all these gradually engender a feeling of wonder, certainty, gratitude, followed in time by Joy.

Joy is of two kinds. The Joy born of Love and wonder, and the Joy born of Love and Knowledge, and between the experience of the two Joys lie discipline, disappointment, almost disillusion.

But combat these in My Strength, or rather cling blindly, helplessly to Me and let Me combat them, persevere in obeying My Will, accept My discipline, and the second Joy will follow.

And of this second Joy it was that I said, "Your Joy no man taketh from you."

Do not regret the first, the second is the greater gift.
 






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cling blindly, helplessly to Me and let Me combat them
Just when I thought the guy couldn't be any more of a delusional mythomaniac..

EDIT: As it turns out that "God Calling" was not, as I had believed, written by Anthony Hill about himself, this comment is somewhat incorrect...
 






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You know Lisa you might be surprised to hear that I have enough respect for the Christ that I actually find it sickening that this nut has the audacity to claim to be Jesus Himself.
I am surprised....good for you, hope you come to know Jesus though!
 






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Just when I thought the guy couldn't be any more of a delusional mythomaniac..
What "guy" are you talking about please? God Calling was written by two women, who were given these devotionals by God and were humble enough they only wished to be referred to as "Two Listeners", so as not to draw attention to themselves.

Really, if you don't have anything worthwhile to offer, then why not find somewhere else to troll.
 






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