German healthcare works with alternative medicine

[Vixy]

So I found out today that german healthcare works with alternative care. So when a patient comes in, they're working 50/50 conventional and alternative.

Thoughts on this?

Corerection: Couldnt find an article on the subject, sorry.

 

[grateful servant]

I think that's called "integrative medicine". Good on them.

 

[Hubert]

So I found out today that german healthcare works with alternative care. So when a patient comes in, they're working 50/50 conventional and alternative.

Thoughts on this?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5078911/

That's not what this study said at all. It was looking at the differences between patients who seek out GP (general practitioner) who provide access to alternative medicine, and patients who do not seek out such GP's. The results showed that patients who seek out alternative medicine are: more likely female, more likely wealthy, reported more psychological problems, and longer symptom duration. They concluded that because of the high percentage of patients with psychological problems seeking alternative medicine, that alternative treatments need to be put under the purview of a state regulatory body.

 

[Vixy]

That's not what this study said at all. It was looking at the differences between patients who seek out GP (general practitioner) who provide access to alternative medicine, and patients who do not seek out such GP's. The results showed that patients who seek out alternative medicine are: more likely female, more likely wealthy, reported more psychological problems, and longer symptom duration. They concluded that because of the high percentage of patients with psychological problems seeking alternative medicine, that alternative treatments need to be put under the purview of a state regulatory body.

Damn, my bad. I'll correct it.

 

[Vixy]

The German heath care medicines are very effective and they don't have any side effects ..

What?! Ooh, please fill me in on what you know about this. Do you have your own experience and do you know the healthcare system?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Them, a few other Western Euro nations, many Asian nations as well. The resistance is strong to holistic healings integration into the American health system.

 

[Vixy]

Them, a few other Western Euro nations, many Asian nations as well. The resistance is strong to holistic healings integration into the American health system.

AND probably in the scadinavian, am I right? Docs in sweden have lighten up about alternative medicine though but if you ask the big cahunas, you'd probably get laughed in the face. Fukn scandinavian assholes. :'( "The best patient is a SICK patient!"

 

[free2018]

Them, a few other Western Euro nations, many Asian nations as well. The resistance is strong to holistic healings integration into the American health system.

'Murica?
Take three and see what happens.

 

[Vixy]

'Murica?
Take three and see what happens.

Oh Free, I couldnt resist but to look it up and se what the hell that meant and found this:

Murica

A slang term for 'America' usually shouted in an exclamation by stupid people/rednecks.

Almost fell of my chair laughing. Thanks for a wellneeded laugh, Free, You rock! <3

In fact, I might just name my next cat Murica. Has a kind of cute ring to it, no? "Muuuuuuuricaaaaaaaaaa, lunchtime!!"

 

[free2018]

Oh Free, I couldnt resist but to look it up and se what the hell that meant and found this:

Murica

A slang term for 'America' usually shouted in an exclamation by stupid people/rednecks.

Almost fell of my chair laughing. Thanks for a wellneeded laugh, Free, You rock! <3

In fact, I might just name my next cat Murica. Has a kind of cute ring to it, no? "Muuuuuuuricaaaaaaaaaa, lunchtime!!"

It's a big thing on the Internet in the States when people don't like what's going on in all sectors. Haha

 

[Vixy]

It's a big thing on the Internet in the States when people don't like what's going on in all sectors. Haha

Man, I gotta learn these things. I'm saving up for a trip to NYC you know..

 

[free2018]

Man, I gotta learn these things. I'm saving up for a trip to NYC you know..

NY is a different thing entirely.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

AND probably in the scadinavian, am I right? Docs in sweden have lighten up about alternative medicine though but if you ask the big cahunas, you'd probably get laughed in the face. Fukn scandinavian assholes. :'( "The best patient is a SICK patient!"

I wasn't aware of that situation there. Would have thought the Scandinavian nations might have been a bit more open to "alternative" (healing for thousands of years) medicine.

 

[Lurker]

The German heath care medicines are very effective and they don't have any side effects ..

How can I even have a cursory trust of someone named "mania"?

 

[TruthSucker]

"The best patient is a SICK patient!"

I'd say this has nothing to do with Sweden or Scandinavia, this is a pharma-industry-problem.

What?! Ooh, please fill me in on what you know about this. Do you have your own experience and do you know the healthcare system?

Why not just ask me since I'm from Germany?

There is alternative medicine in Germany but it's seperated from conservative medicine. You have to go to different doctors to get different treatment, I think there are places where you can get both but generally it's seperated.

Every citizen, childs, school kids, students, normal employee, indipendents and retired people is paying monthly for the medical insurance system. Children are insured with their parents until the first apprenticeship is done. Once you got a full time job you have to pay from your loan for it.

If you have health problems you visit a general practitioner (for free). If he/she can't help, he/she gives you a paper so you can visit a specialist (for free). If they can't help you get the next paper and so on. So, in general every visit at a doctors' is for free if you have the paper and an insurance card (normally every citizen has one).

Every treatment you get at hospitals or where ever is free. What is new since a couple of years is, you have to pay 10€ for every day in the hospital. If you get medicine from the drugstore (with another paper from the doctor) you have to pay maximum 10€ from your pocket for every medicine, depending on the total cost.

Insurance costs are paid 50/50 from you and your employer, if you're indipendent you have to pay 100%. But that's a little different. 50% from what you have to pay is about 8% from your salary before taxes.

It's a social system, meaning you can pay in the system your whole life, never get sick and at the end you never used it (who never gets sick?). The other side is, you getting very sick, paying only 8% from your salary for it and you get all the treatment for free that you need (except some little payments I mentioned above). And I mean every treatment, all surgerys and all the stuff you need to become healthy.

But not every treatment that you can get (alternative medicine) is payed from the system because there's no evidence that it really works. So it has to be proven by studys that it really is working. And you can choose from different insurance companys, not every company pays all treatments, some do pay for acupuncture for example, some don't. But all pay for legit accepted treatments, they have to by law.

So all together it's a good system but people have to pay additionally for this and for that since a few years, so it's getting worse. And if you already haven't much money and you are very sick, you have to pay 10€ here and 5€ there for this and that medicine, and this can be 100€ fast in one month so you have less money from that little money which is cutting some people off of social activitys for example.

In conclusion: a very good system which is getting worse, but is still very good, especially compared to other countrys of what I heard. And one important thing: you have to have an insurance like you have to have a car insurance.

 

[Vixy]

How can I even have a cursory trust of someone named "mania"?

Bahahaa! Points for that one, L.

 

[Vixy]

I'd say this has nothing to do with Sweden or Scandinavia, this is a pharma-industry-problem.


Why not just ask me since I'm from Germany?

There is alternative medicine in Germany but it's seperated from conservative medicine. You have to go to different doctors to get different treatment, I think there are places where you can get both but generally it's seperated.

Every citizen, childs, school kids, students, normal employee, indipendents and retired people is paying monthly for the medical insurance system. Children are insured with their parents until the first apprenticeship is done. Once you got a full time job you have to pay from your loan for it.

If you have health problems you visit a general practitioner (for free). If he/she can't help, he/she gives you a paper so you can visit a specialist (for free). If they can't help you get the next paper and so on. So, in general every visit at a doctors' is for free if you have the paper and an insurance card (normally every citizen has one).

Every treatment you get at hospitals or where ever is free. What is new since a couple of years is, you have to pay 10€ for every day in the hospital. If you get medicine from the drugstore (with another paper from the doctor) you have to pay maximum 10€ from your pocket for every medicine, depending on the total cost.

Insurance costs are paid 50/50 from you and your employer, if you're indipendent you have to pay 100%. But that's a little different. 50% from what you have to pay is about 8% from your loan before taxes.

It's a social system, meaning you can pay in the system your whole life, never get sick and at the end you never used it (who never gets sick?). The other side is, you getting very sick, paying only 8% from you loan for it and you get all the treatment for free that you need (except some little payments I mentioned above). And I mean every treatment, all surgerys and all the stuff you need to become healthy.

But not every treatment that you can get (alternative medicine) is payed from the system because there's no evidence that it really works. So it has to be proven by studys that it really is working. And you can choose from different insurance companys, not every company pays all treatments, some do pay for acupuncture for example, some don't. But all pay for legit accepted treatments, they have to by law.

So all together it's a good system but people have to pay additionally for this and for that since a few years, so it's getting worse. And if you already haven't much money and you are very sick, you have to pay 10€ here and 5€ there for this and that medicine, and this can be 100€ fast in one month so you have less money from that little money which is cutting some people off of social activitys for example.

In conclusion: a very good system which is getting worse, but is still very good, especially compared to other countrys of what I heard.

Well how should I know you are German?

For free? Like completely a la canadian style? Wow, thats better than here but how much is the insurance and can anyone get it, sick people also?

10€ for a day at the hospital is also cheaper than here. Its 15€ last I heard.

Wow..only 100 per medicine. I'm guessing that cost for insurance is sky high huh?

 

[TruthSucker]

Well how should I know you are German?

For free? Like completely a la canadian style? Wow, thats better than here but how much is the insurance and can anyone get it, sick people also?

10€ for a day at the hospital is also cheaper than here. Its 15€ last I heard.

Wow..only 100 per medicine. I'm guessing that cost for insurance is sky high huh?

I thought you know meanwhile

Like I said: about 8% from your salary before taxes. 10€ for every medicine if it's expensive, about 5€ is normal for lets say painkillers.

I edited my first post: every citizen has to have an insurance and everyone gets one, no matter how sick you are.

Another thing: if you are sick and can't work, your salary gets paid further for 6 weeks (from employer), after that it gets cutted to 60% and is paid further from the insurance for I don't know how long.

 

[Lurker]

I thought you know meanwhile

Like I said: about 8% from your loan before taxes. 10€ for every medicine if it's expensive, about 5€ is normal for lets say painkillers.

I edited my first post: every citizen has to have an insurance and everyone gets one, no matter how sick you are.

Another thing: if you are sick and can't work, your loan gets paid further for 6 weeks (from employer), after that it gets cutted to 60% and is paid further from the insurance for I don't know how long.

I'm confused. What is this loan that you speak of?

 

[TruthSucker]

I'm confused. What is this loan that you speak of?

Sorry, german word for salary is "Lohn" which sound similar to lone, therefore I just wrote loan instead of salary. Will edit my posts.

I mean the money you get monthly, salary.