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Lurking009

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They cave into emotion.
I’m not an antifa supporter by any means but the powers that be are using a divide & conquer narrative by pitting antifa against q anon/right wingers.

There is infiltration on both sides of the spectrum.
I'm not understanding your point. The vitriol, physical violence, and destruction is coming from leftist Antifa / BLM - they own it. They attack anyone and everyone who doesn't think and act like them. Whether liberal or conservative, we're all targets if we don't fall in line.

Sane and reasonable people don't need TPTB to tell us violence and destruction are wrong and despicable. We pit ourselves against it because it's the right thing to do.
 






Lil axe

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Re Antifa and Biden.

Type antifa.com in web url.
wow, i just did that, here is the site it goes to -
 






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Innocent people, business owners etc all get caught up in the crossfire. It’s a ploy to keep us divided, push political agendas, and bait moderates into choosing a side.

It also keeps communities in poverty further creating distrust amongst working, middle and upper class
You know all of this could stop in an instant and innocent people would no longer be in the crossfire if Antifa and BLM stopped being domestic terrorists, right? No one is forcing them to burn it all down. They choose to do so.
 






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wow, i just did that, here is the site it goes to -
www.loser.com

they are trolling eachother.
 






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You know all of this could stop in an instant and innocent people would no longer be in the crossfire if Antifa and BLM stopped being domestic terrorists, right? No one is forcing them to burn it all down. They choose to do so.
No one is forcing them. But like you guys I’ll play the conspiracy theorist and think maybe someone is paying them.

Not everyone in antifa and blm is hired by say soros.
My take is soros hires a few radicals and recruits using an ideology based off emotion, fear etc.

Humans feel the need to belong. So it’s easy to pick a side with a left vs right narrative
 






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They roam in large groups, hide behind black bloc, beat and murder people who disagree with them, burn, loot, and terrorize communities, destroy small businesses. They are the epitome of violent brainless cowards, and you believe this is 'doing something'? Speaks volumes about you.
It is doing something. They do far more than the Gonzo Journalists you constantly peddle. The fact that you can't see through a typical dog-whistle says volumes about you.

And you could call it 'The Great Reset'... or something like that.
Oh wow, ok, let's go with your genius plan of letting the older people die. Your faux moral outrage at Antifa while literally giving every corrupt suit a pass is getting old. Do you know how many people lost homes during the housing market crash of 2008? Do you know how many people died as a result?

Where's the fucking justice for them? Right, I better not ask you because you are in LaLa land chasing down dogs in the street. You have fun chasing down dogs and let the adults adult.
 






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It is doing something. They do far more than the Gonzo Journalists you constantly peddle. The fact that you can't see through a typical dog-whistle says volumes about you.


Oh wow, ok, let's go with your genius plan of letting the older people die. Your faux moral outrage at Antifa while literally giving every corrupt suit a pass is getting old. Do you know how many people lost homes during the housing market crash of 2008? Do you know how many people died as a result?

Where's the fucking justice for them? Right, I better not ask you because you are in LaLa land chasing down dogs in the street. You have fun chasing down dogs and let the adults adult.
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Lol, if that was going for having the accuracy of Homer's makeup shotgun, it's spot on.

Because it's communism that props up Amazon, Apple, Bill Gates? Hmm, that's interesting. Even more interesting how you can't write out that argument, like it only makes sense in a stylized meme.

I didn't know Yellow Journalism was also on the menu. How stereotypical of VC.
 






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Lol, if that was going for having the accuracy of Homer's makeup shotgun, it's spot on.

Because it's communism that props up Amazon, Apple, Bill Gates? Hmm, that's interesting. Even more interesting how you can't write out that argument, like it only makes sense in a stylized meme.

I didn't know Yellow Journalism was also on the menu. How stereotypical of VC.
ive written it out lots of times. If you don’t understand that antifa are the enforcers of the establishment, are endorsed by the establishment, do not challenge the system of power in any way but in fact violently oppose those who don’t fall in line with it, well maybe with a meme that makes you laugh you’d realize it, because it’s true.
 






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It is doing something. They do far more than the Gonzo Journalists you constantly peddle. The fact that you can't see through a typical dog-whistle says volumes about you.
So why not be part of their solution? If beating, murdering, destroying is really doing and accomplishing something, then you only have 2 choices:

1. Become a domestic terrorist (which would be evil and beyond wrong) or

2. Allow the domestic terrorists to beat you, destroy everything you own, and possibly murder you, your family, and your friends.

There you go - hypocrisy solved. Unless it's all just words and false bravado with you?

Oh wow, ok, let's go with your genius plan of letting the older people die.
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Your faux moral outrage at Antifa while literally giving every corrupt suit a pass is getting old. Do you know how many people lost homes during the housing market crash of 2008? Do you know how many people died as a result? Where's the fucking justice for them?
2008 was a really bad time all around, I don't see anyone denying that, but it didn't have to be for many. A lot of people lost their homes because they took on mortgages they could not afford, and they did it with zero savings. It was an era of housing greed on BOTH sides. For those who got themselves into a bad situation: Instead of expecting 'justice' and a reward for doing stupid things, maybe just stop doing stupid things and be responsible.

You claim to want justice for people who suffered in the market crash, and then you claim Antifa is doing good because they make innocent people suffer. That is some high level trolling.

Right, I better not ask you because you are in LaLa land chasing down dogs in the street. You have fun chasing down dogs and let the adults adult.
This only makes sense in your head.
 






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Because it's communism that props up Amazon, Apple, Bill Gates? Hmm, that's interesting. Even more interesting how you can't write out that argument, like it only makes sense in a stylized meme.
How is the Great Reset not blatant Communism?
 






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So why not be part of their solution? If beating, murdering, destroying is really doing and accomplishing something, then you only have 2 choices:

1. Become a domestic terrorist or

2. Allow the domestic terrorists to beat you, destroy everything you own, and possibly murder you, your family, and your friends.

There you go - hypocrisy solved. Unless it's all just words and false bravado with you?
Why do I only have 2 choices again? Oh right, you're just putting together another fallacy.

2008 was a really bad time all around, I don't see anyone denying that, but it didn't have to be for many. A lot of people lost their homes because they took on mortgages they could not afford, and they did it with zero savings. It was an era of housing greed on BOTH sides. For those who got themselves into a bad situation: Instead of expecting 'justice' and a reward for doing stupid things, maybe just stop doing stupid things and be responsible.

You claim to want justice for people who suffered in the market crash, and then you claim Antifa is doing good because they make innocent people suffer. That is some high level trolling.
I never said Antifa was good. In fact, I firmly stated I don't agree with everything they do. Nice Strawman fallacy though. To reiterate for you, my post was mostly about Antifa doing something, as a comparison to how you do nothing.

Let me see if I understand you right though. When people lose their homes to wall street gambling, it's "they shouldn't have been stupid". But when Kyle Rittenhouse or some other Maga Clown runs into the street to pick fights, you put a dress of victimization on them. And I'm the hypocrite?
 






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Answer my question first.

How are the poster children for consumer capitalism suddenly in bed with the Communists?
The wealthiest fraction of society has always been the driving force behind communism. Antifa enforcing the values of the capitalists is nothing new, its in continuity with radical leftist and communist movements throughout history. Antifa being pro immigration and open boarders for ideological reasons that were given to them helps capitalists because they get cheap labor. Radical leftist attacking nationalists helps for the same reason because it stops organization of actual working class sentiment. Destroying self sufficient business owners is also great for capitalists. Why do you think there has been no significant arrests or jail time given to these people? It's because they pose no threat to their system of power, in fact they strengthen it and enforce it. They do not rebel against mainstream values, their complaint is that people aren't in line strongly enough with them, the values we see in tv, advertising, hollywood, elitist newspapers, elite circles.
 






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The wealthiest fraction of society has always been the driving force behind communism. Antifa enforcing the values of the capitalists is nothing new, its in continuity with radical leftist and communist movements throughout history. Antifa being pro immigration and open boarders for ideological reasons that were given to them helps capitalists because they get cheap labor. Radical leftist attacking nationalists helps for the same reason because it stops organization of actual working class sentiment. Destroying self sufficient business owners is also great for capitalists. Why do you think there has been no significant arrests or jail time given to these people? It's because they pose no threat to their system of power, in fact they strengthen it and enforce it. They do not rebel against mainstream values, their complaint is that people aren't in line strongly enough with them, the values we see in tv, advertising, hollywood, elitist newspapers, elite circles.
If you believe all that, why do you treat Antifa the way you do, when you know you have the same enemy? In essence, you are saying you agree with the points they make; they are just attacking the wrong things.

To put it another way, I see a lot of hyping up Antifa going on here. This is especially counterproductive if they are the low-level enforcers, as you describe. Shouldn't we ignore them? More importantly, couldn't one argue by "doing battle" with these enforcers we are also doing what the elite want.

How do we describe the "elite," though? It seems to me they want the best of both worlds. Like they want to be part of communism and literally own a part of everything while squeezing out every single penny they can. It's socialism for them, and a rigged market shitshow for the rest of us.

I'm not even a socialist, but even I can tell solving that problem will involve aiming for socialism for everyone. Ultimately, we are not going to take the elites brand of socialism away from them.
 






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Lol at people describing Antifa as "murderers"

You literally have ONE possible murder linked to Antifa and even that one is problematic.

Michael Reinheoel, described himself as being 100% Antifa, in the sense that he is 100% against fascism, I could say the same about myself. He specifically stated HE WASNT A PART OF ANY ORGANIZATION. So no Reinheol wasn't Antifa, and second he didn't murder anybody but acted in self defence, shooting a guy who maced him first, a guy who was armed with a loaded handgun, a knife, mace, and who had been assaulting people all day because he disagreed with them politically.

But let's give you that one murder since your case against Antifa is so pathetic.

Right wing terrorists have killed hundreds of people over the last few decades. The vast majority of terror attacks come from right wing nuts.

And yet you clowns still push the elite propaganda about Antifa=Bad.

They hate both Biden and Trump. Thats a good start, while most right wing freaks hang off Trumps nuts.

"Populists" LMFAO.

Fascists are always the useful idiots of the elites, pretending to be "anti establishment" yet falling for the elite divide and conquer tactics of the culture wars and completely ignoring the pro war, pro authoritarian, and pro corporate agenda of the Orange Clown, or whatever cult of personality the fascists put forward.
 






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If you believe all that, why do you treat Antifa the way you do, when you know you have the same enemy? In essence, you are saying you agree with the points they make; they are just attacking the wrong things.
The enemy of antifa are the common people, those who are not aligned enough with corporate and elitist values. They do nothing to challenge the system of power. So I don't have the same enemy as them. They are the arm of violence for the corporate establishment, corporate news, academic elitists, global think tanks, the values and interests of the wealthy, the elites. The values of what is acceptable and propogated on TV, in adversizing, in the NYT and WaPo, Netflix, by google, youtube, twitter execs. Antifa is not anti-capitalist, they are anti """""fascist""""", which is defined by them as working class sentiment, nationalism, family, tradition, community, freedom. The same thing that stands in the way of corporate elitist powers ruling over a society of atomized individuals and consumers

To put it another way, I see a lot of hyping up Antifa going on here. This is especially counterproductive if they are the low-level enforcers, as you describe. Shouldn't we ignore them? More importantly, couldn't one argue by "doing battle" with these enforcers we are also doing what the elite want.
Yes definitely. I don't agree with street level violence that antifa wants to sink politics into. The rest of your post I agree with.
 






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