George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[CyrusTheGreat]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1384625681020116997

 

[Aero]

You’re a retard dude. I know that because I watched the trial. You can’t asphyxiate with your blood saturated with oxygen, your body would use those reserves.

LOL. It doesn't matter how much oxygen is in your blood if that blood can't get to your brain. Lightseeker be like, but the blood in his arms had plenty of oxygen!

but you’re not going to die. Hence it wasn’t the cause of death as the autopsy stated.

Not surprising you keep going down the irrelevant lines of logic. I stated the law quite clearly, it doesn't matter how he died. The fact is he died during an assault, which makes it second-degree murder.

if I arrested someone it’s assault. If a cop arrests someone it’s not. what kind of brainlet argument is this

Yeah, you're definitely missing the point. I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

this guy did it. He lived to tell the tale

likelihood he lived? They got arrested because they are in Britain and blasphemed fent floydsie. Wouldn’t want people to find out it’s literally nothing

At least you are now being somewhat honest about how you like to minimize assault.

 

[Awoken2]

He wasn’t murdered, you’re just an emotional person primed for media manipulation, their target audience

All media is manipulated, period. Despite this, the pictures of the event given to the world clearly show Chauvin kneeling on the neck of the suspect. The suspect then dies.

This is why he got convicted....it was the knee....if it would not gave been on the neck of the suspect he would still be alive.

Whether or not the whole thing was contrived just to stir up more racial tensions is irrelevant. He got convicted on evidence presented, you just have to accept that.

 

[justjess]

You’re a retard dude. I know that because I watched the trial. You can’t asphyxiate with your blood saturated with oxygen, your body would use those reserves.

but you’re not going to die. Hence it wasn’t the cause of death as the autopsy stated.

if I arrested someone it’s assault. If a cop arrests someone it’s not. what kind of brainlet argument is this

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Assault" is: (1) an act done with intent to cause fear in another of immediate bodily harm or death; or. (2) the intentional infliction of or attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov › cite
Sec. 609.02 MN Statutes

Arresting someone isn’t assault. The manner in which someone is arrested can be assault though.

 

[justjess]

He wasn’t murdered, you’re just an emotional person primed for media manipulation, their target audience. Just raving media talking points, next time I want to know what you ”think” I’ll turn on the tv

I’m not emotional at all. Possession of a vagina doesn’t make someone emotional by default or lend to the assertion of emotionality anytime that person says anything. Media hasn’t told me anything whatsoever in this case - the video evidence did. Want to be shocked? I don’t think the lady cop that shot and killed that guy should be charged, nor do I agree with the media in the case of that 13 year old who was killed. Are those statements emotional too?

 

[lightseeker]

.if it would not gave been on the neck of the suspect he would still be alive.

It wasnt on his neck. Even the prosecution stopped arguing that after multiple of their witnesses agreed it was due to camera perspective bias that it looked that way, and it was actually on his shoulder blade if you look at all the camera angles

He got convicted on evidence presented,

No, he really didn't. He got convicted because of the emotional reaction people have. That was what the prosecution played on. The evidence, meaning the autopsy, clearly said he wasn't killed by a knee strangling him. This is what the doctor who did the autopsy actually said.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380607915875258369

His heart was medically incapable of going through a stressful situation like being arressted. His blood pressure was last recorded at 216/160, high enough to cause sudden death. 2 of his heart arteries were 75% blocked and one was 90% blocked, all three being enough to cause sudden death. He was on meth which narrows the arteries. He was on fentynol and was falling asleep and couldnt be awoken by his friends before the cops got there. He ate fentnol pills when the cops got there and it reached its peak right when he died. He was on 3x the lethal dose. He wasn't asphyxiated, which was the prosecutions argument, because (continued below)

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Respiratory specialist Noah Greenspan, with his colleagues, talks the ins and outs of supplemental oxygen use for COPD, PH, and PF patients.

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Assault" is: (1) an act done with intent to cause fear in another of immediate bodily harm or death; or. (2) the intentional infliction of or attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another.
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https://www.revisor.mn.gov › cite
Sec. 609.02 MN Statutes

Arresting someone isn’t assault. The manner in which someone is arrested can be assault though.

The article says that you can feel short of breath with high oxygen saturation. This is true. One of the causes of shortness of breath would be a cardiac arrest, which is what he died of. This is why, he felt like he couldn't breath, but his blood oxygen saturation was perfect. If you were slowly asphyxiated on the other hand, your oxygen saturation would be slowly depleted and would be at low blood levels when you die.

"Assault" is: (1) an act done with intent to cause fear in another of immediate bodily harm or death; or. (2) the intentional infliction of or attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another."

He didn't inflict any bodily harm on George Floyd. There wasn't a even mark on Georges neck or back from him. He restrained him while the ambulance took over 10 minutes to get there. And the arrest was in accordance with minneapolis police practices and policies

Sorry guys, the evidence completely exhonorates Derek Chauvin, you don't want to argue on those grounds. Go the route of the prosecution and scream and say he made you cry. That's the only merit this case has. Otherwise, its just a guy who went to jail because the media needed a story that week

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It doesn't matter how much oxygen is in your blood if that blood can't get to your brain. Lightseeker be like, but the blood in his arms had plenty of oxygen!

his blood wasnt cut off to his brain. you cant cut off both carotid arteries from the back of the neck. If his blood couldnt get to his brain he would be unconscious in seconds. wasnt even going to address that because its so stupid but there you go

 

[Aero]

He didn't inflict any bodily harm on George Floyd.

From the George Floyd autopsy report.

Blunt force injuries
A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip
B. Mucosal injuries of the lips
C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs
D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists, consistent with restraints (handcuffs)

his blood wasnt cut off to his brain. you cant cut off both carotid arteries from the back of the neck. If his blood couldnt get to his brain he would be unconscious in seconds. wasnt even going to address that because its so stupid but there you go

Dude wtf are you smoking?

CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST literally means his heart couldn't pump blood to his brain.

None of your word vomit means anything. If you assault someone and they die, even if their poor health is a contributing factor, you are still guilty.

 

[lightseeker]

Blunt force injuries
A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip
B. Mucosal injuries of the lips
C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs
D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists, consistent with restraints (handcuffs)

All called superficial and non life threatening in the report. I meant what you are accusing derek chauvin of, applying force to the neck with his knee, didnt leave any injuries there. Not even a bruise or mark. None on the back where his knee actually was either

A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip
This happened in the car, when he was struggling and hit his face against the seat
C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs
These were from being on the pavement, on the front of the body
D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists, consistent with restraints (handcuffs)
These were from the handcuffs

CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST literally means his heart couldn't pump blood to his brain.

No it doesnt. You should settle down when you say things you arent sure of, because it makes you look extremely stupid when you're wrong. Cardiopulminary arrest means his heart and lungs gave out. For the reasons already stated. Not because of asphyxia or obstructing the neck arteries.

If you assault someone and they die, even if their poor health is a contributing factor, you are still guilty.

But he didn't assault him. If a cop is guilty for someones heart giving out while performing a routine arrest, due to things the officer had no control over, that were in place before he got there, like deadly heart disease and eating drugs, you are living in clown world. That is not justice, its a lie. Police testified that they were justified in using way more force, striking, tazing, but they opted to just passively restrain him and call an ambulance. So no, youre wrong.

Arguing the facts in this case is futile, its scientifically and medically impossible that Derek Chauvin killed him in the way they claimed. What you have is emotion from watching the one single video and not looking into it any further or accepting that your initial perception could be wrong, so you can just scream youre mad like you are, but arguing the facts is just stupid from your standpoint, again, even the prosecution didnt do that

 

[justjess]

It wasnt on his neck. Even the prosecution stopped arguing that after multiple of their witnesses agreed it was due to camera perspective bias that it looked that way, and it was actually on his shoulder blade if you look at all the camera angles

No, he really didn't. He got convicted because of the emotional reaction people have. That was what the prosecution played on. The evidence, meaning the autopsy, clearly said he wasn't killed by a knee strangling him. This is what the doctor who did the autopsy actually said.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380607915875258369

His heart was medically incapable of going through a stressful situation like being arressted. His blood pressure was last recorded at 216/160, high enough to cause sudden death. 2 of his heart arteries were 75% blocked and one was 90% blocked, all three being enough to cause sudden death. He was on meth which narrows the arteries. He was on fentynol and was falling asleep and couldnt be awoken by his friends before the cops got there. He ate fentnol pills when the cops got there and it reached its peak right when he died. He was on 3x the lethal dose. He wasn't asphyxiated, which was the prosecutions argument, because (continued below)

The article says that you can feel short of breath with high oxygen saturation. This is true. One of the causes of shortness of breath would be a cardiac arrest, which is what he died of. This is why, he felt like he couldn't breath, but his blood oxygen saturation was perfect. If you were slowly asphyxiated on the other hand, your oxygen saturation would be slowly depleted and would be at low blood levels when you die.

"Assault" is: (1) an act done with intent to cause fear in another of immediate bodily harm or death; or. (2) the intentional infliction of or attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another."

He didn't inflict any bodily harm on George Floyd. There wasn't a even mark on Georges neck or back from him. He restrained him while the ambulance took over 10 minutes to get there. And the arrest was in accordance with minneapolis police practices and policies

Sorry guys, the evidence completely exhonorates Derek Chauvin, you don't want to argue on those grounds. Go the route of the prosecution and scream and say he made you cry. That's the only merit this case has. Otherwise, its just a guy who went to jail because the media needed a story that week

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his blood wasnt cut off to his brain. you cant cut off both carotid arteries from the back of the neck. If his blood couldnt get to his brain he would be unconscious in seconds. wasnt even going to address that because its so stupid but there you go

He was still “restraining” him after he died for chrissakes. This is why Chauvin is going to jail because weak arguments can’t circumvent visual evidence.

there was nothing routine about that arrest. If it was “routine” or in accordance with accepted procedure this would have turned out very different. It is not routine anywhere on the face of the earth to continue to restrain a docile, handcuffed, dying mean to the point where you are still doing so after they have passed away.

As for calling women emotional (something you do constantly) :

Stop calling women in politics 'emotional'

Unless they're literally crying.

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APA PsycNet

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I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you constantly say this in ignorance. Educate yourself. There is no excuse not to, when the means to do so is provided to you.

 

[lightseeker]

He was still “restraining” him after he died for chrissakes. This is why Chauvin is going to jail because weak arguments can’t circumvent visual evidence.

They thought he passed out because they could still see him breathing. In fact, he probably did at first. Its nessessary to restrain someone whos acting erraticly on drugs. Again, they believed the ambulance would be there any second, it took the ambulance 3x the normal response time

- the video evidence did

And how much of the video have you seen? The body cams? Or just the bystander video. You realize what you see can be wrong. If medical evidence says something different happened, you should at least question your initial belief.

 

[Aero]

All called superficial and non life threatening in the report. I meant what you are accusing derek chauvin of, applying force to the neck with his knee, didnt leave any injuries there. Not even a bruise or mark. None on the back where his knee actually was either

A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and upper lip
This happened in the car, when he was struggling and hit his face against the seat
C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs
These were from being on the pavement, on the front of the body
D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists, consistent with restraints (handcuffs)
These were from the handcuffs

More misleading statements that mean nothing.

No it doesnt. You should settle down when you say things you arent sure of, because it makes you look extremely stupid when you're wrong. Cardiopulminary arrest means his heart and lungs gave out. For the reasons already stated. Not because of asphyxia or obstructing the neck arteries.

So his heart gave out, but it was still pumping blood to his brain? Stop contradicting yourself.

But he didn't assault him. If a cop is guilty for someones heart giving out while performing a routine arrest, due to things the officer had no control over, that were in place before he got there, like deadly heart disease and eating drugs, you are living in clown world. That is not justice, its a lie

Routine arrests don't involve pinning someone to the pavement for 9 minutes. It's assault, and your dancing around the facts is very transparent. More importantly, your victim-blaming shows a serious lack of character on your part.

I didn't call it justice, it's more like accountability for another thug cop. Justice would have been George Floyd having his day in court, which is the *law* of the land. Cops have zero right to enact street justice, which is what this was and what happens every day in America.

The reality is courts handle cops with baby gloves because at least 50% of American cops are talentless, uneducated slobs who radiate small dick energy all over the place.

 

[lightseeker]

More misleading statements that mean nothing.

This is just sad. Youre saying he hit his face in the car, had handcuffs on and scrapes on his shoulders proves what exactly?

So his heart gave out, but it was still pumping blood to his brain? Stop contradicting yourself.

His neck arteries were not blocked. Yes his brain could still receive blood.

Routine arrests don't involve pinning someone to the pavement for 9 minutes. It's assault

Huh? Were they supposed to let the drugged out loonie continue to throw himself into the street? Im sorry man youre just clogging up the thread at this point, at least awakened and justjess had somewhat relavant talking points. He needed to be restrained for his own safety, theres no debate about that. Derek Chauvins knee caused him NO injury so why would he not restrain him. The let up the original restraint they used and just pinned his shoulders down. Trying to argue that he strangled him from the back of the neck and arresting someone is assault is just beyond cringe. Just stick to emotional diatribes about the general state of the country, that seems to be your strong suit. don't try to dip into the evidence about this case, it doesn't support your premise

 

[Faker He-Man]

his blood wasnt cut off to his brain. you cant cut off both carotid arteries from the back of the neck. If his blood couldnt get to his brain he would be unconscious in seconds. wasnt even going to address that because its so stupid but there you go

There is one common carotid artery. Pressure must be applied very low on the back of the neck in order to restrict this artery and cause loss of consciousness or eventually death from suffocation. This is why you might notice that jiu jitsu fighters are trying to bring their arm down lower to find the right spot with their forearm on the back of the neck to compress the common carotid when applying a rear naked choke.

 

[lightseeker]

There is one common carotid artery.

No theres not. Theres one on either side of the neck

Common carotid artery - Wikipedia

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Pressure must be applied very low on the back of the neck in order to restrict this artery and cause loss of consciousness or eventually death from suffocation. This is why you might notice that jiu jitsu fighters are trying to bring their elbow down lower on the back of the neck to find the right spot for the common carotid when applying a rear naked choke.

The carotid arteries are restricted by both sides of the left arm, pictured above, not the back of the neck. If it is obstructed, the person goes unconscious in less than 5 seconds. Its amazing to me seeing people just say things that are totally wrong as if they know.

 

[justjess]

They thought he passed out because they could still see him breathing. In fact, he probably did at first. Its nessessary to restrain someone whos acting erraticly on drugs. Again, they believed the ambulance would be there any second, it took the ambulance 3x the normal response time


And how much of the video have you seen? The body cams? Or just the bystander video. You realize what you see can be wrong. If medical evidence says something different happened, you should at least question your initial belief.

Why would you need to continue to restrain someone who is passed out? They no longer serve any threat whatsoever. Passed out and handcuffed. Come on. You can’t honestly believe this is “routine” and a-ok. Even if they thought he was “just passed out” it would be nonsensical to continue to restrain an already restrained man.

I saw all the video, thanks. I know what I saw. A man being restrained well past the point that he needed to be even to the point of death. I actually restrain people in my day job - I am well aware of protocol and how very wrong all of that was.

 

[lightseeker]

Why would you need to continue to restrain someone who is passed out? They no longer serve any threat whatsoever. Passed out and handcuffed. Come on. You can’t honestly believe this is “routine” and a-ok. Even if they thought he was “just passed out” it would be nonsensical to continue to restrain an already restrained man.

I saw all the video, thanks. I know what I saw. A man being restrained well past the point that he needed to be even to the point of death. I actually restrain people in my day job - I am well aware of protocol and how very wrong all of that was.

Because
1)a person who appears to be unconscious can regain consciousness and continue fighting with more vigor than before
2)the restraint caused him no injury so why would he stop? It would be completely irresponsible. Just keeping someone in control until the ambulance gets there is obviously the rational thing to do

 

[Aero]

This is just sad. Youre saying he hit his face in the car, had handcuffs on and scrapes on his shoulders proves what exactly?

Floyd's injuries and the video evidence prove it was an assault.

His neck arteries were not blocked. Yes his brain could still receive blood.

Lol, you will throw anything, including the kitchen sink out there. Never mind that it's refuted by every piece of evidence of the case. As well as being refuted by common medical knowledge.

Huh? Were they supposed to let the drugged out loonie continue to throw himself into the street? Im sorry man youre just clogging up the thread at this point, at least awakened and justjess had somewhat relavant talking points. He needed to be restrained for his own safety, theres no debate about that. Derek Chauvins knee caused him NO injury so why would he not restrain him

So restraining someone means kneeing them into the pavement for 9 minutes, then when that person dies, you claim it was for *their* safety? Let me put it in a more simple way, how are you in such denial?

Why do you give a shit about some goofy thug cop? Thousands more are going to get away with brutality and literal crimes today. The Floyd case was an important symbolic victory, but there's so much disparity in how the courts operate. And those courts couldn't care less about changing.

Don't let your anxiety control you. There's still plenty of drug-addicted poor people for you to point your finger at. There's still plenty of people out there you can blame for their own victimization.

 

[justjess]

Beca


Because
1)a person who appears to be unconscious can regain consciousness and continue fighting with more vigor than before
2)the restraint caused him no injury so why would he stop? It would be completely irresponsible. Just keeping someone in control until the ambulance gets there is obviously the rational thing to do

The man was shouting that he couldn’t breathe and then “passed out” (Aka died) - that’s evidence enough to anyone with a brain that the restraint was causing harm. You do not continue to restrain a person past the point that they are a physical threat to themselves or others. Crisis intervention 101. We already went over how you aren’t supposed to restrain using the head/neck period with an exception for cops (I guess) of imminent threat of deadly harm. The cure can’t be worse then the disease.

 

[Faker He-Man]

No theres not. Theres one on either side of the neck

Common carotid artery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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The carotid arteries are restricted by both sides of the left arm, pictured above, not the back of the neck. If it is obstructed, the person goes unconscious in less than 5 seconds. Its amazing to me seeing people just say things that are totally wrong as if they know.

Oh yeah, there’s one on either side of the spine, duh. You’re correct. I misremembered.

You only compress one carotid to cause loss of consciousness with a rear naked choke, though, and yes it must be done from the base of the neck, right next to the vertebrae on one side. The photo you posted is not a rear naked choke, and the jugular veins are what you’re thinking of. Jugulars are in front, not the carotid arteries. They are in the rear on either side of the spine. Pressure is applied in the soft spot between your spine and upper back.

 

[lightseeker]

The man was shouting that he couldn’t breathe and then “passed out” (Aka died) - that’s evidence enough to anyone with a brain that the restraint was causing harm. You do not continue to restrain a person past the point that they are a physical threat to themselves or others. Crisis intervention 101. We already went over how you aren’t supposed to restrain using the head/neck period with an exception for cops (I guess) of imminent threat of deadly harm. The cure can’t be worse then the disease.

1. He was saying he couldnt breath while clearly and visibly breathing deeply. He had this sensation due to his medical problems, not the restraint. The fact that he was saying this would lead a rational cop to believe they were just empty words, if someone is breathing deeply right before your eyes and saying they cant breath for several minutes, when you can't not breath for that long. Again, there was no medical evidence of asphyxia or a lack of oxygen causing injury or death. That's not what caused his death according to the medical examiner
2.A person who is on drugs in a delerium and visibly passes out is a threat to themselves and others until strapped onto a stretcher or given a chemical sedative like ketamine

You only compress one carotid to cause loss of consciousness with a rear naked choke, though, and yes it must be done from the base of the neck, right next to the vertebrae on one side. The photo you posted is not a rear naked choke, and the jugular veins are what you’re thinking of. Jugulars are in front, not the carotid arteries. They are in the rear on either side of the spine. Pressure is applied in the soft spot between your spine and upper back.

That's not how I understand it, however, its irrelavent. If the carotid artery is being obstructed, the person goes unconscious in a couple heartbeats. That's obviously not what happened.