George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

Lisa

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The Constitution of the United States says it. No citizen shall have their life, liberty or property taken away without due process.

You want to go along with cops who poopoo on the Constitution, go ahead. Some of us believe in it.
Haha..you must have liked when I used the poo-poo thing!

I’m not sure what world you live in..people shouldn’t be criminals either..:rolleyes:
 






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I said we need to investigate to get the big picture in Floyd’s death..however chauvin isn’t going to get out of this.

I’m not sure what your talking about with the mom.
He sat on his neck and suffocated him while he was handcuffed and screaming he can’t breathe. It was caught on tape. There is nothing else to investigate. You can restrain a person when they are a physical threat. You can’t continue crushing them to death once they’ve been subdued.

Yes you do. Stop acting obtuse. When I said if someone killed my daughter they wouldn’t see the inside of a jail cell you started clutching your pearl
 






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He should have stopped resisting..would have went a lot easier on him..he probably wouldn’t be dead. And I guarantee you if he had started out paying with legal tender..he wouldn’t have been in that position in the first place.
He stopped resisting about 30 seconds into that choke hold. I seriously hope you never experience a power tripping blood thirsty cop yourself Lisa.
 






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He sat on his neck and suffocated him while he was handcuffed and screaming he can’t breathe. It was caught on tape. There is nothing else to investigate. You can restrain a person when they are a physical threat. You can’t continue crushing them to death once they’ve been subdued.

Yes you do. Stop acting obtuse. When I said if someone killed my daughter they wouldn’t see the inside of a jail cell you started clutching your pearl
I thought he was saying he can’t breathe even before that..so...maybe that’s why they didn’t believe him?
Again..that’s why we need to take a look at the whole thing since contract matters. Also dude was on drugs..that changes things.

I had no idea you were referring to yourself..I don’t actullay file away everything you say to be remembered at a later date. Plus you have no idea if you’d really do that anyway. That’s just bluster talking.
 






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Haha..you must have liked when I used the poo-poo thing!

I’m not sure what world you live in..people shouldn’t be criminals either..:rolleyes:
I don't know what you mean by me living in a different world. If cops can't uphold the Constitution then we should have a serious conversation as a nation.
 






Lisa

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I don't know what you mean by me living in a different world. If cops can't uphold the Constitution then we should have a serious conversation as a nation.
I thought we were having those conversations now?
But..I wonder why the black community doesn’t riot with black on black violence which is everyday? or even have problems when their youngest and most helpless are murdered in the womb? It seems that there should be some consistency at the very least. Anyway..this isn’t really about black lives mattering because if it were..the things I just mentioned would be as big a deal..but it isn’t. This is all about politics and an election...nothing more, nothing less.
 






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I thought we were having those conversations now?
But..I wonder why the black community doesn’t riot with black on black violence which is everyday? or even have problems when their youngest and most helpless are murdered in the womb? It seems that there should be some consistency at the very least. Anyway..this isn’t really about black lives mattering because if it were..the things I just mentioned would be as big a deal..but it isn’t. This is all about politics and an election...nothing more, nothing less.
I'm like the only one making a constitutional argument. Everyone else is just towing the culture war lines.

As far as your appeal to hypocrisy, it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Plus even we were all huge hypocrites, it doesn't make us wrong about police brutality. The reality is way too many people end up dead after dealing with the police.
 






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I'm like the only one making a constitutional argument. Everyone else is just towing the culture war lines.

As far as your appeal to hypocrisy, it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Plus even we were all huge hypocrites, it doesn't make us wrong about police brutality. The reality is way too many people end up dead after dealing with the police.
It is pretty hypocritical and worrisome that people care more about what happened to a black criminal and could cheer and be happy that a black baby in the womb died..Kind of reminds me of Jesus and Barabbas honestly.
 






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Sounds like you know little of violence. 10 mangy dogs can kill a lion. And it's not a question of brutality, but strategy.
The cops weren't trying to kill a lion, were they? They were trying to restrain a man of similar size in the least harmful way possible, and it eventually cost Ragshard's life. If they would've incapacitated Ragshard, he might still have been alive. Yes, you read that right. Police brutality can save lives.
 






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$115 billion a year on police. $80 billion a year on prisons. It costs more to continue doing what we are doing now. If poverty didn’t increase crime then the best method to prevent recidivism wouldn’t be a good paying job.
If a job and solid income are what keeps people from falling back into crime, how come this?

“The recession of 2008-09 has undercut one of the most destructive social theories that came out of the 1960s: the idea that the root cause of crime lies in income inequality and social injustice.​
“As the economy started shedding jobs in 2008, criminologists and pundits predicted that crime would shoot up, since poverty, as the ‘root causes’ theory holds, begets criminals. Instead, the opposite happened.”​
“Over seven million lost jobs later, crime has plummeted to its lowest level since the early 1960s. The consequences of this drop for how we think about social order are significant.”​
Mac Donald further asserts that “by the end of 2009, the purported association between economic hardship and crime was in shambles.​
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Stop pretending that you actually care about stopping crime. High crime rates in certain areas is exactly what you want because you need that to justify your hateful nonsense.
A bridge too far. You're on ignore.
 






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George Floyd was a hit job to protect a DRUG TRAFFICKING/MONEY LAUNDERING OPERATION at El Nuevo Rodeo.
-Owned by Omar Investments (Muna Sabri)
-Relative Basim Sabri busted by FBI on 3 bribery counts in 2001.
-9/11/01 - Intel agencies scramble to monitor for domestic threats
-Creates asset point for US security to embed in Minneapolis to monitor Somalis
-El Nuevo Rodeo (restuarant/club) possibly involved in money laundering/drug trafficking (FBI/CIA/MS13?)
-Derek Chauvin & George Floyd work together at club, Chauvin for 17 years, right after Sabri is busted by FBI.
-Fast forward 2020. Wuhan virus shuts down all restaurants/clubs in Minneapolis
-By default, shuts down illegal activity by legit operation.
-Resulting in any activity in laundering/counterfeit op deposits by club booker would be suspicious while business is closed
-Resulting in George Floyd being out of work. No work, no pay.
-Police called to Cup Foods where George Floyd reportedly passing fake $20 bill
-Chauvin responds to call and executes hit on Floyd for potentially putting El Nuevo Rodeo operation at risk.
-Floyd resists getting into car where he knew he would disappear
-Chauvin kills Floyd in public, broad daylight, with multiple cameras capturing event.
-"EMT"s responding are Sherrif Dept, not medical, load body
-No charges filed in 2006 Chauvin shooting incident
-Possibly related, El Rodeo in Los Angeles is taken down as a drug-trafficking ring between US & Mex in 2015 by DEA
-Possible that El Rodeo NUEVO (New El Rodeo) takes over where ER LA left off for northern trade.
Sauce
Additions:
-Floyd & Chauvin worked for El Nuevo Rodeo Restaurant/Club operated by Maya Santamaria
-Santamaria owns a Latina radio station, La Reza 95.7 FM & 1400 AM
-La Reza 95.7 FM & 1400 AM burned to the ground 5/29/20 in Minneapolis
-From Linkedin - Maya Santamaria - Broadcasting, Founder, El Nuevo Rodeo, CEO, Santamaria Enterprises
- >>9444782 Jesse Fields Show - Ep 17 - Maya Santamaria
-Video:
-County ME finds George Floyd died of heart attack, finding fentanyl & recent signs of methamphetamine in system
-Chauvin was NOT first on scene, most likely hears the call regarding counterfeit $20 bill at Cup Foods
-Reports of another man in the back seat of car that George Floyd resists entering
-Family hires former NYC chief ME who performed autopsy of Jeffery Epstein - Michael Baden who concludes Floyd died of asphyxia or strangulation
-Per Forbes, second autopsy contradicts initial county autopsy, "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation
-Per restaurant camera footage, George Floyd and unknown person are parked in black SUV at 38th ST & Chicago Ave S, on southeast corner, across street from Cup Foods with pax door open:
-Video here:
-Second black SUV pulls up behind, also two MPD officers cross street to first SUV
-Video from inside second SUV: Also:
-Unknown person told by officer to sit at the side of the building. Unknown person complies.
-Second SUV leaves scene
-Two officers pull Floyd (driver) out of car, he is cuffed & escorted by officer to building
-Second MPD (Park Police) car pulls up
-Officer takes notes from Floyd while other officer interviews unknown person and unknown woman
-Officer hands notes to Park officer who returns to his car
-First officer and partner bring Floyd across street to initial squad car in front of Cup Foods and he seems to resist being put in squad car, Park Police car pulls behind to assist
-Officers pin Floyd to ground, he pisses himself and pleads to them he can't breathe
-Video (1:04):
-Bystanders record death of George Floyd, Hennepin County Sheriff EMTs arrive, check pulse, load body
Unrelated Notes/Questions:
-Afghanistan poppy/opium trade controlled by US Mil & CIA via Afghan War
-2008-2013 Breaking Bad - captures nation and makes meth a mainstream drug that takes over the country - i.e. PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING
-Drugs flood into US–meth, cocaine & heroin become readily available all over the US
-Was FBI/CIA/MS-13 involved/associated with club scene at El Nuevo Rodeo as op, front?
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in short…the owner of the club where Floyd and Chauvin worked owned by a Jordanian who aided and abetted terroritst.. and who the Feds would not allow DOJ to revoke his citizenship
>"By now Ben is discovering that everything around El Nuevo Rodeo, the Mexican Cantina and Dance Club where George and Derek worked, is sketchy. El Nuevo Rodeo (hereafter ENR) is a front business. Nothing is as it seems.The background ownership of ENR takes you to a shady network of LLC’s and the name Omar Investments Inc. (est. 1996). Dig a little deeper and something else becomes evident…" The ownership might connect to one or more U.S. three letter agencies. This is not surprising because Minneapolis Minnesota has more national security operations ongoing than any other community in the country.Omar Investments Inc. owns El Nuevo Rodeo Cantina and night club since 1996. The principle of Omar Investments Inc. is Muna Sabri. In 2001 a close relative, Basim Sabri, was captured by the FBI in a sting operation.The presented “former club owner”, Maya Santamaria, seen on television, appears to be a purposeful ‘front’ (a face useful in deflecting attention from the primary owner and operations) Derek Chauvin also worked at ENR for 17 years. That timeline puts Derek Chauvin showing up to work security at El Neuvo Rodeo cantina and club right after the FBI busts Basim Sabri (everyone remembers what intel agencies were doing right after 9-11-01).

 






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i don’t know how you would argue this. If being arrested doesn’t create a deterrent to commit crime, then it is not functioning as an effective method of improving society and should be replaced at least in part if not in full.

And I’m really interested in hearing the cultural ways that exist to discourage people from committing crime that would be considered racist by an external audience.
Why should arrests need to serve as a deterrent? Locking up criminals reduces crime so arrests are useful.

What should deter people from committing crime are things like having decent morals, being accountable, acting responsibly, acknowledging you're just one member of a society and civilization, you know, having basic human decency. How about we keep arrests, and start instilling a sense of morality and accountability and responsibility for all those kids that end up living fatherless which perpetuates the cycle of crime and poverty? We could stop appraising and facilitating the stereotypical thug lifestyle that was popularized by Arnold Rothstein's offspring on MTV; convince them that guys like Snoop and the Game aren't role models you want to immitate, but that they are part of the problem. Convince them that they can achieve other successes in life other than as a basketball player or a gangsta rapper. We should stop pandering the idea that they have no control over their destiny, that they could never achieve what they want to achieve because it's fixed against them by an artificial nemesis. They should be liberated from that idea or remain defeatist, because they'll be fighting windmills.
 






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The cops weren't trying to kill a lion, were they? They were trying to restrain a man of similar size in the least harmful way possible, and it eventually cost Ragshard's life. If they would've incapacitated Ragshard, he might still have been alive. Yes, you read that right. Police brutality can save lives.
Lol.

Two little dudes with the proper technique could have taken Brooks down without brutalizing him. Do you ever even watch combat sports?
 






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Why should arrests need to serve as a deterrent? Locking up criminals reduces crime so arrests are useful.

What should deter people from committing crime are things like having decent morals, being accountable, acting responsibly, acknowledging you're just one member of a society and civilization, you know, having basic human decency. How about we keep arrests, and start instilling a sense of morality and accountability and responsibility for all those kids that end up living fatherless which perpetuates the cycle of crime and poverty? We could stop appraising and facilitating the stereotypical thug lifestyle that was popularized by Arnold Rothstein's offspring on MTV; convince them that guys like Snoop and the Game aren't role models you want to immitate, but that they are part of the problem. Convince them that they can achieve other successes in life other than as a basketball player or a gangsta rapper. We should stop pandering the idea that they have no control over their destiny, that they could never achieve what they want to achieve because it's fixed against them by an artificial nemesis. They should be liberated from that idea or remain defeatist, because they'll be fighting windmills.
I still don’t quite understand why you would say that arresting people shouldn’t serve as a deterrent in order to demonstrate that it is an effective institution. If you know you are going to be arrested for stealing and there are going to be penalties for this. It is logical to weigh this penalty with the potential benefits of stealing.

that would be when police work would evidence effectiveness within a community. If this does not appear to be an effective deterrent, then there is an imbalance somewhere so that when a person weighs their options before committing a crime, the benefits of committing the crime still outweigh the benefits of not committing the crime.

I don’t know why you said you thought your suggestions would come across as racist either. Although, you are listing many things that the modern civil rights movement pre 2000 were saying exist because of racism.

think about it, I’m sure you have some familiarity with the demographics for executive positions and you are aware that pre 2000 it was more likely for a white man to be in an executive position than a man of a different race. This is reality. It doesn’t mean that every white man lacked integrity in these positions, but it is true that they had the final say many times over whether something was produced that gave the appearance that the black community was all about the thug life.

there has been a power struggle in this industry over this image for a long time, so you also can’t say this is the only way black people are seen in media either.

your suggestions also suggest that you would agree that crime is reduced by creating educational opportunities that help correct an imbalance so to speak. So that people start being able to see that not committing crime has more benefit than committing crime because they are able to develop greater self esteem or some other positive quality.

And since your suggestions encourage creating balance, I wonder why you don’t support diverting funding from police services towards other services that would essentially help correct this imbalance?
 






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If a job and solid income are what keeps people from falling back into crime, how come this?

“The recession of 2008-09 has undercut one of the most destructive social theories that came out of the 1960s: the idea that the root cause of crime lies in income inequality and social injustice.​
“As the economy started shedding jobs in 2008, criminologists and pundits predicted that crime would shoot up, since poverty, as the ‘root causes’ theory holds, begets criminals. Instead, the opposite happened.”​
“Over seven million lost jobs later, crime has plummeted to its lowest level since the early 1960s. The consequences of this drop for how we think about social order are significant.”​
Mac Donald further asserts that “by the end of 2009, the purported association between economic hardship and crime was in shambles.​
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A bridge too far. You're on ignore.
Boo hoo :rolleyes: With all the nasty condescending shit you’ve said to me lately I find it kind of funny that when someone points the mirror your way “it’s a bridge too far” and you need to shelter yourself from it. But do you.

again, the most effective way to prevent recidivism is a good paying job. Explain that. Poverty reduction is but one piece of that. Ever hear of systems theory? Money isn’t the only thing a good paying job provides. Security. Opportunity. A sense of accomplishment and pride. Stability. Responsibility. Poverty is one piece of a puzzle. Bottom line is if we don’t look at the whole puzzle we solve nothing, but knocking down a piece or two will get us closer to where we want to be. Your do nothing answer to @rainerann isn’t going to accomplish anything. It’s a throw away.
 






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The ONLY way to eliminate crime is to eliminate the poverty that causes crime. And the only way to eliminate poverty is to genuinely restore liberty and justice for ALL.

There will NEVER be justice on this planet as long as we allow men to legislate, i.e. make up rules to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer. Every single human+Being has a God-given right to a piece of land, so that they can grow their own crops and raise their own livestock. Having the richest 1% own the majority of the land and resources, while everyone else lives off of the crumbs, is neither liberty or justice for anyone.

When ANYONE murders another, regardless of what costume they wear or their official title, they are guilty of murder (unlawfully killing another). "Thou shalt not murder" does not include any exceptions to the rule.

The policy enforcer who murdered George Floyd committed a capital offense according to The Law. The rightful penalty should be carried out without delay, so that justice is done, according to The Law.

The rioters who looted (stole) and destroyed the property of others are, according to The Law, responsible for reimbursing the rightful owners of that property DOUBLE the amount they stole or destroyed. The rightful penalty should be carried out without delay, so that justice is done, according to The Law.

Everyone needs to wake-up and stop giving their own (faulty) judgments of what they mistakenly believe should or shouldn't have happened, and start keeping and enforcing The Law, so we can together put an end to this injustice, poverty and crime, and make this a better world for everyone.

Furthermore, anyone who actually believes this entire incident wasn't planned and carried out by paid agent provocateurs, to foment a race war, is sound asleep spiritually, and has no hope of seeing this situation correctly.
 






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You are a white supremacist when you don't follow their lies and manipulations and you come with objective facts.

When a white man commits a crime against a black, this is a situation that requires the destruction of the history of whites. Vice versa (although much more than the other), somehow we have to take that lying down.

We are asked to see them as a group without a criminal capacity. We should see them as/like ill-bred children (totally wrong and racist thought). But we should also recognize their political leadership. You cannot be both criminally insane(this is your opinion) and leader. You have to choose one.

Being an impotent group that needs help and being a group that wants to overthrow the regime and become a leader are very different things. It can't be both at the same time.
I thought I should write here too.
 






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