General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

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Wesley Clark retired from the military almost 20 years ago, and is definitely not part of the current United States administration in any way, shape or form. He has always been an interventionist, and whatever he says in this old video is probably a combination of unrealized Clinton/Obama regime change plans and his own dreams of being a conqueror.

He brings about as much authority to the current situation as Captain Crunch.
 

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Wesley Clark retired from the military almost 20 years ago, and is definitely not part of the current United States administration in any way, shape or form. He has always been an interventionist, and whatever he says in this old video is probably a combination of unrealized Clinton/Obama regime change plans and his own dreams of being a conqueror.

He brings about as much authority to the current situation as Captain Crunch.
This guy is spelling things out in clear simple english, plans that you can see unfolding right in front of you. Yet you still cover your eyes and ears. Such a person can never be helped.
 

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Just as a test of your comprehension and critical thinking skills, can you name the seven countries Clark mentions, and tell us who it was who planned to invade them?

Also, according to Clark, it was a five year plan, beginning in 2001. Does the fact that we're 17 years into that plan, and still haven't seen it move past the invasion of the first country, Iraq, make you question your assessment of Clark's statement at all?

The neo-cons aren't in power any longer, and neither is a Clinton influencing anything. Whatever plans they had are dead and gone.
 

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I have zero bias , im not that interested, but videos in this thread discredit the topic, which is probably legit, what a bad pieces of tasteless propaganda...One must watch tv 24/7 to look at those guys seriously...
 

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Wesley Clark retired from the military almost 20 years ago, and is definitely not part of the current United States administration in any way, shape or form. He has always been an interventionist, and whatever he says in this old video is probably a combination of unrealized Clinton/Obama regime change plans and his own dreams of being a conqueror.

He brings about as much authority to the current situation as Captain Crunch.
A very odd video, in any case. It's not exactly some soccer mom going on a rant, this is a highly decorated veteran involved in the upper circles of power within military and political institutions openly speaking out about alleged planned wars of aggression against a number of sovereign nations carried out by the 'Land of the Free'. How such a video with this military leader describing what arguably amounts to crimes against Humanity enters into public circulation appears more than a little odd... Then again, the US has been ruled by idiots and psychopaths for quite some time with the public's silent consent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Wesley_Clark

^ if one has a list of recommendations like this shouldn't it be a pretty big deal to be [falsely] talking about plans to start all these wars?

If anybody recalls, what was the reception during the time this interview was first aired like?
 

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What would you guys do if someone actually forced you to make a reasonable argument based on fact? You don't even know enough to know how clear it is you know nothing.

If you knew anything, you would know neoconservatives hate Trump. Here's what one of the cornerstone publications of neo-con policy, the National Review, had to say about his candidacy.

Here's a piece from Tablet that looks at where neo-cons are at now that Trump is in office.

Right up until Charles Krauthammer called the election for Clinton early on Fox News on election night, the neoconservatives were secure in their belief that the ruins of the Republican Party would accrue to them. With Trump’s victory, their problem is to show their funders that they still matter. Like abandoned dogs, the neoconservatives do not know whether to lick or to bite the hand of the new masters in Washington.​
 

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Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Iran might as well add Yemen to make the list complete re Trump travel ban...

IRAQ -- CHECK

LIBYA -- CHECK

LEBANON -- CHECK IN PROGRESS
The Coming War on Lebanon: Israel, Saudi Arabia and the U.S. Prepare for a Long-Planned Middle East War

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-coming-war-on-lebanon-israel-saudi-arabia-and-the-u-s-prepare-for-a-long-planned-middle-east-war/5621168

Saudi Arabia won’t comment on whether it’s working with Israel to combat Hezbollah
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/09/saudi-arabia-wont-comment-on-whether-its-working-with-israel-to-combat-hezbollah.html

Syria -- CHECK

SOMALIA -- CHECK IN PROGRESS
IS THE UNITED STATES GETTING INTO ANOTHER FOREVER WAR IN SOMALIA?

http://www.newsweek.com/somalia-war-us-military-president-trump-al-shabab-714622

SUDAN -- CHECK (Politically rolled. Apparently, replaced with Yemen.)
Why does South Sudan matter so much to the US?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34083964


US to lift sanctions on Sudan
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/politics/us-to-lift-sanctions-sudan/index.html


The Love-Hate Relationship Between Sudan and the United States
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gamal-gasim/story_b_9250460.html


YEMEN -- CHECK (War with Saudis)

IRAN -- CHECK IN PROGRESS
U.S., ISRAEL AND SAUDI ARABIA LEADING WORLD TO WAR WITH IRAN, FRANCE SAYS
http://www.newsweek.com/us-israel-saudi-arabia-leading-world-war-iran-france-says-770728


“The official line pursued by the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia, who are our allies in many ways, is almost one that would lead us to war,” Macron told reporters, according to Reuters. It was “a deliberate strategy for some,” he added.

‘He’s totally onboard’: Wolff book describes Trump admin’s collusion with Israel
https://www.rt.com/usa/415011-bannon-trump-israel-collusion/


Report: Saudi Arabia is willing to abandon Palestinians to make deal with Israel against Iran
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-palestinians-support-israel-deal-iran-opposition-a8085026.html


Growing ties between Saudis and Israelis could be an ominous sign
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/17/israel-and-saudi-arabia-forging-ties-could-mean-war-with-iran-commentary.html


White Man's Burden (2003) -- These people never went away...
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/white-man-s-burden-1.14110


Who got us into the Iraq war?
http://hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/FromOthers/list-of-neocons-for-Iraq-war.htm


THE NEOCONS LOBBY TO GO TO WAR — AGAIN
http://jewishcurrents.org/the-neocons-lobby-to-go-to-war-again/


Have Neocons Hijacked Trump’s Foreign Policy?
https://www.thenation.com/article/have-neocons-hijacked-trumps-foreign-policy/


Neocons cheer Trump's Afghanistan strategy
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/347487-neocons-cheer-trumps-afghanistan-strategy


Trump and the Neocons Are Wrong Again on Iran
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump-and-the-neocons-are-wrong-again-on-iran/

 
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Christian Zionism: The Heresy of Choice for Neocons

For each Jewish Zionist there are ten wacko Evangelical Christian Zionists.

http://russia-insider.com/en/christian-zionism-heresy-choice-neocons/ri22075
At least one in four American Christians surveyed recently by Christianity Today magazine said that they believe it is their biblical responsibility to support the nation of Israel. This view is known as Christian Zionism. The Pew Research Center put the figure at 63 per cent among white evangelicals. Christian Zionism is pervasive within mainline American evangelical, charismatic and independent denominations including the Assemblies of God, Pentecostals and Southern Baptists, as well as many of the independent mega-churches. It is less prevalent within the historic denominations, which show a greater respect for the work of the United Nations, support for human rights, the rule of international law and empathy with the Palestinians.

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The origins of the movement can be traced to the early 19th century when a group of eccentric British Christian leaders began to lobby for Jewish restoration to Palestine as a necessary precondition for the return of Christ. The movement gained traction from the middle of the 19th century when Palestine became strategic to British, French and German colonial interests in the Middle East. Proto-Christian Zionism therefore preceded Jewish Zionism by more than 50 years. Some of Theodore Herzl’s strongest advocates were Christian clergy.

Christian Zionism as a modern theological and political movement embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism. It has become deeply detrimental to a just peace between Palestine and Israel. It propagates a worldview in which the Christian message is reduced to an ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it places an emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ’s love and justice today.

Followers of Christian Zionism are convinced that the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 and the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 were the miraculous fulfillment of God’s promises made to Abraham that he would establish Israel as a Jewish nation forever in Palestine.
Tim LaHaye’s infamous Left Behind novels, together with other End Times speculations written by authors such as Hal Lindsey, John Hagee and Pat Robertson, have sold well over 100 million copies. These are supplemented by children’s books, videos and even violent computer games.

Burgeoning Christian Zionist organizations such as the International Christian Embassy (ICEJ), Christian Friends of Israel (CFI) and Christians United for Israel (CUFI) wield considerable influence on Capitol Hill, claiming a support base in excess of 50 million true believers. This means there are now at least ten times as many Christian Zionists as Jewish Zionists.

And their European cousins are no less active in the Zionist Hasbarafia, lobbying for Israel, attacking its critics and thwarting the peace process. The United States and Israel are often portrayed as Siamese twins, joined at the heart, sharing common historic, religious and political values.

Pastor John Hagee is one of the leaders of the Christian Zionist movement. He is the Founder and Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church, a 19,000-member evangelical church in San Antonio, Texas. His weekly programs are broadcast on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks into an estimated 99 million homes in 200 countries. In 2006 he founded Christians United for Israel admitting, “For 25 almost 26 years now, I have been pounding the evangelical community over television. The Bible is a very pro-Israel book. If a Christian admits ‘I believe the Bible,’ I can make him a pro-Israel supporter or they will have to denounce their faith. So I have the Christians over a barrel, you might say.”

In March 2007, Hagee spoke at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) Policy Conference. He began by saying: “The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. There are 50 million Christians standing up and applauding the State of Israel…”

As the Jerusalem Post pointed out, his speech did not lack clarity. He went on to warn: “It is 1938. Iran is Germany, and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler. We must stop Iran’s nuclear threat and stand boldly with Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East… Think of our potential future together: 50 million evangelicals joining in common cause with 5 million Jewish people in America on behalf of Israel is a match made in heaven.”

Christian Zionists have shown varying degrees of enthusiasm for implementing six basic political convictions that arise from their ultra-literal and fundamentalist theology:




    • The belief that the Jews remain God’s chosen people leads Christian Zionists to seek to bless Israel in material ways. However, this also invariably results in the uncritical endorsement of and justification of Israel’s racist and apartheid policies, in the media, among politicians and through solidarity tours to Israel.
    • As God’s chosen people, the final restoration of the Jews to Israel is therefore actively encouraged, funded and facilitated through partnerships with the Jewish Agency.
    • Eretz Israel, as delineated in scripture, from the Nile to the Euphrates, belongs exclusively to the Jewish people, therefore the land must be annexed, and Palestinians driven from their homes and the illegal Jewish settlements expanded and consolidated.
    • Jerusalem is regarded as the eternal and exclusive capital of the Jews, and cannot be shared with the Palestinians. Therefore, strategically, Christian Zionists have lobbied the US Administration to relocate its embassy to Jerusalem and thereby ensure that Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel.
    • Christian Zionists offer varying degrees of support for organizations such as the Jewish Temple Mount Faithful who are committed to destroying the Dome of the Rock and rebuilding the Jewish Temple on the Haram Al-Sharif (Noble sanctuary of Al-Aqsa).
    • Christian Zionists invariably have a pessimistic view of the future, convinced that there will be an apocalyptic war of Armageddon in the imminent future. They are deeply skeptical of the possibility of a lasting peace between Jews and Arabs and therefore oppose the peace process. Indeed, to advocate an Israeli compromise of “land for peace” with the Palestinians is seen as a rejection of God’s promises to Israel and therefore to support her enemies.
Within the Christian Zionist worldview, Palestinians are regarded as alien residents in Israel. Many Christian Zionists are reluctant even to acknowledge Palestinians exist as a distinct people, claiming that they emigrated to Israel from surrounding Arab nations for economic reasons after Israel had become prosperous. A fear and deep-seated hatred of Islam also pervades their dualistic Manichean theology. Christian Zionists have little or no interest in the existence of indigenous Arab Christians despite their continuity with the early church.

In 2006, I drafted what became known as the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism signed by four of the Heads of Churches in Jerusalem: His Beatitude Patriarch Michel Sabbah, Latin Patriarch, Jerusalem; Archbishop Swerios Malki Mourad, Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate, Jerusalem; Bishop Riah Abu El-Assal, Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and the Middle East; and Bishop Munib Younan, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land. In it they insisted: “We categorically reject Christian Zionist doctrines as a false teaching that corrupts the biblical message of love, justice and reconciliation.

We further reject the contemporary alliance of Christian Zionist leaders and organizations with elements in the governments of Israel and the United States that are presently imposing their unilateral pre-emptive borders and domination over Palestine. This inevitably leads to unending cycles of violence that undermine the security of all peoples of the Middle East and the rest of world.
We reject the teachings of Christian Zionism that facilitate and support these policies as they advance racial exclusivity and perpetual war rather than the gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by Jesus Christ. Rather than condemn the world to the doom of Armageddon we call upon everyone to liberate themselves from ideologies of militarism and occupation. Instead, let them pursue the healing of the nations!

We call upon Christians in Churches on every continent to pray for the Palestinian and Israeli people, both of whom are suffering as victims of occupation and militarism. These discriminative actions are turning Palestine into impoverished ghettos surrounded by exclusive Israeli settlements. The establishment of the illegal settlements and the construction of the Separation Wall on confiscated Palestinian land undermines the viability of a Palestinian state and peace and security in the entire region.”

The patriarchs concluded, “God demands that justice be done. No enduring peace, security or reconciliation is possible without the foundation of justice. The demands of justice will not disappear. The struggle for justice must be pursued diligently and persistently but non-violently.” The prophet Micah asks, “What does the Lord require of you, to act justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8).

It is my contention after more than 10 years of postgraduate research that Christian Zionism is the largest, most controversial and most destructive lobby within Christianity. It bears primary responsibility for perpetuating tensions in the Middle East, justifying Israel’s apartheid colonialist agenda and for undermining the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians.

The closing chapter of the New Testament takes us back to the imagery of the Garden of Eden and the removal of the curse arising from the Fall: “Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb… On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.” (Revelation 22:1-2) Surely this is what Jesus had in mind when he instructed his followers to act as Ambassadors of peace and reconciliation, to work and pray that God’s kingdom would come on earth as it is in heaven.
The Revd Dr Stephen Sizer is the Vicar of Christ Church in Virginia Water and the author of Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? (InterVarsity Press, 2004); Zion’s Christian Soldiers?(2007) and In the Footsteps of Jesus and the Apostles (Eagle, 2004). For more information see www.stephensizer.com
 
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What would you guys do if someone actually forced you to make a reasonable argument based on fact? You don't even know enough to know how clear it is you know nothing.

If you knew anything, you would know neoconservatives hate Trump. Here's what one of the cornerstone publications of neo-con policy, the National Review, had to say about his candidacy.

Here's a piece from Tablet that looks at where neo-cons are at now that Trump is in office.

Right up until Charles Krauthammer called the election for Clinton early on Fox News on election night, the neoconservatives were secure in their belief that the ruins of the Republican Party would accrue to them. With Trump’s victory, their problem is to show their funders that they still matter. Like abandoned dogs, the neoconservatives do not know whether to lick or to bite the hand of the new masters in Washington.​
It just seems to me, that by definition, Trump would also be a neoconservative. Especially since he has been flexing on NK as of late

I'm not 100% sure of the game being played between the media and Trump but I am sure that he has friends in high places otherwise he wouldn't be president. So I figure that its different heads on the same beast disagreeing about something. Like maybe having the same end goal but having different ways of going about it. He hasn't done anything drastic enough (IMO at least) to show that they're acually after him because of his policies.
 

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Your misunderstanding of neoconservatism does not mean that Trump is one.
 

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What would you guys do if someone actually forced you to make a reasonable argument based on fact? You don't even know enough to know how clear it is you know nothing.

If you knew anything, you would know neoconservatives hate Trump. Here's what one of the cornerstone publications of neo-con policy, the National Review, had to say about his candidacy.

Here's a piece from Tablet that looks at where neo-cons are at now that Trump is in office.

Right up until Charles Krauthammer called the election for Clinton early on Fox News on election night, the neoconservatives were secure in their belief that the ruins of the Republican Party would accrue to them. With Trump’s victory, their problem is to show their funders that they still matter. Like abandoned dogs, the neoconservatives do not know whether to lick or to bite the hand of the new masters in Washington.​
The Left vs. Right, Democrat vs. Republican narrative is just theater. It's just a show for controlling the sheeple and making the people believe that they actually have a real choice, when they don't. The two-party system is only there to create the illusion of choice.

If the people choose one way, and it's not the way that THEY had hoped and wanted for (and they really hoped that enough people would be stupid enough to choose Clinton so THEY could get her in. One of her early campaign promises was that if she gets to be president then under her leadership the US would attack Iran) then, ok... now they have to work at it another way, and maybe it takes them a bit longer to get where they wanted and the agenda gets delayed. Maybe they have to change a few things and work harder and rework the strategy in order to attain their goals. They need the people to give support (enough) towards what they want to achieve.

They wanted Clinton, because she would have been a very easy puppet to manipulate. They've wanted to attack Iran for YEARS now. They wanted to try it before and it didn't work, probably because Iran threatened to shut down the Strait of Hormuz and cut off the flow of oil through it, and they were capable, so the neo-cons decided to back off.. for a while.

But its still a part of the plan - PNAC, etc.

So they wanted Hillary, but they didn't get her and it was Trump instead. Who knows what is really going on now?

Trump getting in and him being harder for "them" to manipulate and control slowed things down and it bought people time. That is all it did. Trump being president instead of Hillary did not stop WW3, it only bought time.

"THEY" still want to attack Iran. Its part of the long term plan and they count on people having short term memory and forgetting what has happened in the past. These people don't give up, their NWO plans span generations.

Benjamin Freedman made a famous speech about the Zionists and how they took control of America.. it's well worth a read.

THEY - The Hierarchy Enslaving You
 
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