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Where is the study to back up that claim?
I agree. Sounds more like part of the process about them trying to normalize it imo.

I think that's kind of unbelievable considering how can anybody even feel at ease admitting to ever being sexually aroused to children under any circumstance whatsoever!
 

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I agree. Sounds more like part of the process about them trying to normalize it imo.

I think that's kind of unbelievable considering how can anybody even feel at ease admitting to ever being sexually aroused to children under any circumstance whatsoever!
It was the "under some circumstances" that was a flag for me. Some circumstances could be a 17 yo in a bikini. I would need to see the study to know the full context.

Edit: Also, they multiplied 2/10 to be 20/100. Thus making it seem like a larger number. Another flag.
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4659026/Baby-s-health-card-gender-Unknown.html
Eight-month-old Canadian baby's health card may be the world's first to be marked with gender 'unknown'

  • Searyl Atli becomes first baby with a gender marker on health card as 'unknown'
  • Baby's parent, Kori Doty, is fighting for child to have genderless birth certificate
  • But British Columbia has so far refused birth certificate change, despite sending Doty the child's health card with a 'U' for gender on it last month
An eight-month-old Canadian baby's health card may be the world's first to be marked with gender 'unknown'.

Kori Doty, who doesn't identify as either male or female and prefers to use the pronoun they, wants to keep baby Searyl Atli's gender off all official records, according to the CBC.

Doty said that they are 'raising Searyl in such a way that until they have the sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are'.

 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4659026/Baby-s-health-card-gender-Unknown.html
Eight-month-old Canadian baby's health card may be the world's first to be marked with gender 'unknown'

  • Searyl Atli becomes first baby with a gender marker on health card as 'unknown'
  • Baby's parent, Kori Doty, is fighting for child to have genderless birth certificate
  • But British Columbia has so far refused birth certificate change, despite sending Doty the child's health card with a 'U' for gender on it last month
An eight-month-old Canadian baby's health card may be the world's first to be marked with gender 'unknown'.

Kori Doty, who doesn't identify as either male or female and prefers to use the pronoun they, wants to keep baby Searyl Atli's gender off all official records, according to the CBC.

Doty said that they are 'raising Searyl in such a way that until they have the sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are'.

How will this child have a sense of self if the parents don't even want to guide them?

Even when someone is born intersex they put down the "sex that doth prevail". In my case that was female. Even though I turned out more male as I reached puberty... It's not a huge deal. I've gotten by just fine o_O

Not to mention the sex designation on a health card isn't to instill a certain gender on anyone. It's because males and females have different biological makeups and it's IMPORTANT FOR A DOCTOR TO KNOW YOUR SEX IF THERES A MEDICAL EMERGENCY
 

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How will this child have a sense of self if the parents don't even want to guide them?
A pertinent case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
David Reimer was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He was originally named Bruce, and his identical twin was named Brian. At the age of six months, after concern was raised about how both of them urinated, the boys were diagnosed with phimosis.[4]:10[5] They were referred for circumcision at the age of seven months. On April 27, 1966, a urologist performed the operation using the unconventional method of cauterization,[4]:11–13[6] but the procedure did not go as doctors had planned, and Bruce's penis was burned beyond surgical repair. The doctors chose not to operate on Brian, whose phimosis soon cleared without surgical intervention.[7]

The parents, concerned about their son's prospects for future happiness and sexual function without a penis, took him to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore in early 1967 to see John Money,[4]:49 a psychologist who was developing a reputation as a pioneer in the field of sexual development and gender identity, based on his work with intersex patients. Money was a prominent proponent of the "theory of Gender Neutrality"—that gender identity developed primarily as a result of social learning from early childhood and that it could be changed with the appropriate behavioral interventions.[4]:33–34 The Reimers had seen Money being interviewed in February 1967[4]:39 on the Canadian news program This Hour Has Seven Days,[4]:18 during which he discussed his theories about gender.[4]:19–22

Money and physicians working with young children born with abnormal genitalia believed that a penis could not be replaced but that a functional vagina could be constructed surgically. It was also the safest and most conventional pathway to take: Money told the parents it was what would be best for the boy. [8]

Money claimed that Reimer would be more likely to achieve successful, functional sexual maturation as a girl than as a boy.[9][page needed][not in citation given] For Money, a case where identical twin boys were involved where one could be raised as a girl provided a perfect test of his theories.[10][11]

Money and the Hopkins team persuaded the baby's parents that sex reassignment surgery would be in Reimer's best interest.[4]:50–52 At the age of 22 months, baby Bruce underwent a bilateral orchidectomy, in which his testes were surgically removed and a rudimentary vulva was fashioned.[4]:53–54 Bruce was reassigned to be raised as female and given the name Brenda. Psychological support for the reassignment and surgery was provided by John Money, who continued to see Reimer annually for about a decade for consultations and to assess the outcome. This reassignment was considered an especially valid test case of the social learning concept of gender identity for two reasons: First, Reimer's identical twin brother, Brian, made an ideal control because the brothers shared genes, family environments, and the intrauterine environment. Second, this was reputed to be the first reassignment and reconstruction performed on a male infant who had no abnormality of prenatal or early postnatal sexual differentiation.

Reimer said that Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements", with David playing the bottom role. Reimer said that, as a child, he had to get "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks". Reimer said that Money forced David, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top. Reimer said that Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections". On at "least one occasion", Reimer said that Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity".[9][page needed]

For several years, Money reported on Reimer's progress as the "John/Joan case", describing apparently successful female gender development and using this case to support the feasibility of sex reassignment and surgical reconstruction even in non-intersex cases. Money wrote, "The child's behavior is so clearly that of an active little girl and so different from the boyish ways of her twin brother." Notes by a former student at Money's lab state that, during the follow-up visits, which occurred only once a year, Reimer's parents routinely lied to lab staff about the success of the procedure. The twin brother, Brian, later developed schizophrenia.[11]

Reimer had experienced the visits to Baltimore as traumatic rather than therapeutic, and when Money started pressuring the family to bring him in for surgery during which a vagina would be constructed, the family discontinued the follow-up visits. From 22 months into his teenaged years, Reimer urinated through a hole that surgeons had placed in the abdomen. Estrogen was given during adolescence to induce breast development.

His case came to international attention in 1997 when he told his story to Milton Diamond, an academic sexologist who persuaded Reimer to allow him to report the outcome in order to dissuade physicians from treating other infants similarly.[2] Soon after, Reimer went public with his story, and John Colapinto published a widely disseminated and influential account in Rolling Stone magazine in December 1997.[12]

This was later expanded into a full-length book As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl,[9] in which Colapinto described how—contrary to Money's reports—when living as Brenda, Reimer did not identify as a girl. He was ostracized and bullied by peers, and neither frilly dresses (which he was forced to wear during frigid Winnipeg winters),[13] nor female hormones made him feel female. By the age of 13, Reimer was experiencing suicidal depression, and he told his parents he would take his own life if they made him see John Money again. Finally, on March 14, 1980, Reimer's parents told him the truth about his gender reassignment, following advice from Reimer's endocrinologist and psychiatrist. At 14, having been informed of his past by his father, Reimer decided to assume a male gender identity, calling himself David. By 1987, Reimer had undergone treatment to reverse the reassignment, including testosterone injections, a double mastectomy, and two phalloplasty operations.
 

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This was the first story I was told when I told adults I thought a mistake was made on my birthday cirtificate, when I was 15. really sad what happened to him.

Knowing our sex (mental gender) is innate to ourselves. That's a big reason I don't think kids can be "made to become transgender"
 

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That is absolutely horrifying. Someone should be arrested in that case. The parents and the doctors should have legal repercussions because of that.

They tried to condition him sexually by having his brother play the male role while he played the female. Someone should be arrested for suggesting such a thing.
 

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That is absolutely horrifying. Someone should be arrested in that case. The parents and the doctors should have legal repercussions because of that.

They tried to condition him sexually by having his brother play the male role while he played the female. Someone should be arrested for suggesting such a thing.
Sadly they did all sorts of this sick crap to children in the 50-80s

Thought they were really on to something. Probably all these doctors were handovers to the US from Nazi Germany. And probably pedophiles.
 

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Sadly they did all sorts of this sick crap to children in the 50-80s

Thought they were really on to something. Probably all these doctors were handovers to the US from Nazi Germany. And probably pedophiles.
And that is exactly what is wrong with this country at the present time, people like this have not been given consequences for things like this. Just unbelievable that there is a reason to attempt things like this.

It does remind me of like that lobotomy doctor from around that time. There was a book I read about a little boy who got a lobotomy because he was a little hyperactive. Can you imagine letting someone do that to your child? The parents are just as responsible in cases like this. You are are supposed to protect your child at all times. Absolutely ridiculous to not know that something like this is wrong as a parent.
 

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this stuff make me cuss and spit like somebody's grandpa :)
trenton i appreciate your logic on the subject

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4659026/Baby-s-health-card-gender-Unknown.html
Eight-month-old Canadian baby's health card may be the world's first to be marked with gender 'unknown'

  • Searyl Atli becomes first baby with a gender marker on health card as 'unknown'
  • Baby's parent, Kori Doty, is fighting for child to have genderless birth certificate
  • But British Columbia has so far refused birth certificate change, despite sending Doty the child's health card with a 'U' for gender on it last month
An eight-month-old Canadian baby's health card may be the world's first to be marked with gender 'unknown'.

Kori Doty, who doesn't identify as either male or female and prefers to use the pronoun they, wants to keep baby Searyl Atli's gender off all official records, according to the CBC.

Doty said that they are 'raising Searyl in such a way that until they have the sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are'.

 

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Wow. And THAT is why I don't trust doctors!
yes, and i totally agree, but we have to be vigilant that the other side does not use this same argument as a rallying cry against 2 genders and the disinfo about 'gender spectrum'. in the RARE cases of intersex (a growing number thanks to environmental toxins), simply let the kid grow up past puberty and let them decide male, female, or "as is". simple as that. stop baby mind control programming.
 

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yes, and i totally agree, but we have to be vigilant that the other side does not use this same argument as a rallying cry against 2 genders and the disinfo about 'gender spectrum'. in the RARE cases of intersex (a growing number thanks to environmental toxins), simply let the kid grow up past puberty and let them decide male, female, or "as is". simple as that. stop baby mind control programming.
are you referring to hermaphrodite and such?
 

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so you mean their parts were not formed or something? must be super rare
there are many analogous sex organs between the TWO genders, and surgeons use these similarities to reconstruct a person undergoing sexual reassignment.
in the case of the book, i recall that the person was born with a very tiny penis, which is analogous to the clitoris and vagina in the female. this is why if one sees a female bodybuilder who is doping up on testosterone, she has an unnaturally huge clitoris. the sex hormone starts tweaking them into men.
yes, its exceedingly rare.
 

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4612762/Church-England-chief-backs-christenings.html
The Church of England yesterday suggested it will offer transgender Christians ‘re-christenings’ with their new names.

Vicars cannot re-baptise those who have changed sex but could use existing ‘services of welcome’ to announce a new name before God, the most senior official said.

The advice is likely to be endorsed next month by the Church’s parliament, the General Synod.

It will ease pressure on Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby from liberals who want to see the church’s conservative rules on sex and marriage swept away. But it is likely to provoke a furious backlash among some traditionalists.

The CofE’s most senior official, Synod Secretary General William Nye, said in a paper sent to Synod members: ‘It is a fundamental belief of the Church that baptism can only be received once.

‘There is therefore no possibility of the Synod approving a form of service for the re-baptism of transgendered persons in their new gender who have already been baptised.’ But he said the CofE can have no objection if they want to have an ‘Affirmation of Baptismal Faith’ service in a new name.

He said: ‘This service refers to the fact that the individual has already been baptised, asks them to repeat their baptismal vows and re-affirm their faith. The focal point of this service is on the individual’s faith in Jesus Christ, rather than on the individual’s name or gender – regardless of whether or not it was different from when they were baptised.’
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