Feminist Lies That Are Making Women Miserable

[kerrichinchilla]

What were the main focuses of the original feminist movement, because last time i checked it was about female inequality pertaining to certain rights and work and not the workforce needing more positions filled because of the IR.

..at the time the solution to the ir was putting women to work? Why wasnt a different solution formed instead of one catering to appease feminists? Was it because of the feminist contention of inequality? Do you think if it wasnt for the movement it would have even been conceived as more women in the workforce as a solution? Why was the solution instantly putting women to work? That was influence of feminism at the time

ive already posted exactly what feminism is and all the waves earlier

 

[Cintra]

Owning and keeping a wife who did not have to work has always been a male status symbol.

Like an exotic pet, or a sports car.

For most people the wife had to work as well as raise the children, and anything she earned was not hers, it was her husbands.
Her children, her home, her body.
All belonged to the husband, by law, enforced by law.

For me, womens struggle has not been to work (we have always worked), but to have autonomy, a say in our own fate, a right to what we earn, to have our work valued and recognised.

 

[manama]

Im glad your enjoying life, because there are allot of broken families and individuals who arent and they probably have no idea they were socially engineered by ideas and suggestions to self destruct.

Actually the opposite, my father was a cunt and all my siblings are miserable because they are in traditional family roles: stay at home mothers and working fathers.
I am the only one who chose a career path and studied for it and is still going strong about it. I was the one who refused to follow traditional family roles and chose a partner who also couldn't be bothered with any of that. I can say, I am definitely the one among all of them enjoying life the most and also the happiest in her relationship.

Feminism didn't socially engineer me into a victim, it is what made me not be one.

 

[Lyfe]

There are things we can do to support, restore and preserve families - women, children, and MEN. Lots of things. We choose to do the opposite. Then some people blame feminism. That’s the low fruit on the tree and has been purposely served up to you as a scapegoat so you don’t look at what is actually going on.

with that said families were never this idyllic institution like you seem to think they were at some point pre feminism. we can make things BETTER but we are never going to make them ideal because they never were to begin with. Conflict is part of human nature.

I blame all social engineering(feminism is merely a piece of the pie) and just the fact that the conversations here have been devolved to what they have are proof of the engineering's success and intended efficiency to incite emotions that they were meant to... The exact same talking points used initially by feminists are alive and present in these conversations.

There is hardly any objective reflection on the long term effects of the social aspects of feminism in society that collectively shaped women's views and disposition toward career vs stay at home motherhood(and a family oriented existence). Why all the anti man pitches initially used in day? Why all the painting a negative light on such roles if its objective was purely economical based? No feminist brings up any economic reasoning to other women, its all male related... The fact that the first thing that enters into a woman's mind when a man objects feminism are the very same sentiments found here demonstrate the social aspect of reshaping woman's thought was far more a concern than anything economical, otherwise history would focus on that part... They wanted to pit women against men...

Honestly I couldn't care less if a male or female helps me find where I can find my size shoe at kohls or a male or female hands me my blizzard at dairy queen, or a male or female counts my deposit at a bank. Why would I care? Becoming part of the working class isnt any real win in freedom at all now that its evident most people arent happy with their 9 to 5, yet that is what its touted as... All the meanwhile kids are being raised by disenfranchised parents and mothers who are so stressed out trying to raise a family and perform in their career that the kid often gets neglected and raised by something else all simply, because a woman wants to become another cog in a corporatocracy and hail it as success and freedom. Obviously mothers are important, but mothers are becoming obsolete and becoming just another corporate cog when all their potential as nurturer they were designed to be goes to waste... So if your a woman then congrats in being a part of the working class. Im not trying to diminish any sort of advances made toward your pursuit of equality, but its like I said there is a trade off and in that trade off begins with the family and it just so happens the family is the base to any healthy society, therefore it is the key to mental health in general IMHO... But, you guys cant get over the notion of a male dominated patriarchal society where women are oppressed simply, because they are valued as keepers of the home and stay at home mothers. Idc if you guys are allowed to work.. Imho its a waste of what could otherwise be transferred into meaningful potential to build up society again, but if its seen as male oppression then feminist propaganda succeeded. Imagine how much value the stay at home mother could add to society. At this rate it would add infinitely more value than just another cog in the workforce... Women were designed as natural nurturers and caretakers. Men are not. They are designed for labor... You can argue against that, but you would be arguing against your own God given conscience...

 

[Lyfe]

...but now, it doesnt even matter, because both men and women are trapped in rat race where they both have to work. The damage is already done when different ideas could have been introduced as an alternative. Ideas that made people realize the value to traditional roles when it mattered most. Society was taken in a direction that made us give a trade off and perhaps now we are seeing the damage of that trade off.

 

[Lyfe]

Actually the opposite, my father was a cunt and all my siblings are miserable because they are in traditional family roles: stay at home mothers and working fathers.
I am the only one who chose a career path and studied for it and is still going strong about it. I was the one who refused to follow traditional family roles and chose a partner who also couldn't be bothered with any of that. I can say, I am definitely the one among all of them enjoying life the most and also the happiest in her relationship.

Feminism didn't socially engineer me into a victim, it is what made me not be one.

You were miserable, because your mother was stay at home and father worked? It had nothing to do with how your family acctually treated each other?

 

[Cintra]

. Idc if you guys are allowed to work.. ...

That is probably the crux of it for me.
Allowed to.
Why should a woman need to be allowed to do something men take for granted?

 

[Lyfe]

That is probably the crux of it for me.
Allowed to.
Why should a woman need to be allowed to do something men take for granted?

Out of all I said there that was what you focused on and addressed?

 

[Cintra]

Out of all I said there that was what you focused on and addressed?

Yes.

 

[Maes17]

I worked my ass off to be able to have a career in a field I love and I am still working my ass off to be able to do so because bachelors degrees are no longer financially viable. I finished my degree despite being a teenage mom raising my baby on my own. I went back for a masters in my 30’s despite having ANOTHER TODDLER, the need to continue working and a family business im responsible for so that I could continue to be professionally fulfilled and financially stable whether with or without my husband.

People make choices in life - Men and women alike. If you aren’t going to put in the work to have more than a job your settling for then I don’t know whether you have a right to complain. Poor people can get grants that pay for college, teenage moms the government will pick up the whole tab, for those who don’t qualify for grants - they don’t check your credit to take out a student loan. There are trade schools and apprentice programs for people who aren’t a fit for college. And yeah it’s a goddamn hustle. It’s hard. It sucks. But if you don’t want a “job you settled for” you suck it up.

Anyhow what does that have to do with feminism? There are a large amount of men working in jobs they settled for as well. This isn’t gender specific.

and no, I don’t need data for @Cintra claim because as I’ve already told you if women were so happy with their lot pre feminism they never would have got on board with it to begin with.

Edit: you talk about your female coworkers and then say women are miserable cuz they are stuck in jobs they had to settle for. Does your job make you miserable? A man? Is it a shitty job? That’s how it seems

Yep.
Man or woman. You hustle and do the hard work. You make a living wherever you choose to pursue.

Nay sayers go both ways.
I’ve stated this in another thread in that I cannot really relate to oppression. Maybe I have experienced it but was oblivious. All I know is between the wife and I we worked our asses off in college.

If you’re willing to make sacrifices and know you’ll miss out on some leisure. In the long run you’re happy.

 

[Lyfe]

Yes.

...really just further confirmation that feminists or those of the feminist persuasion are only merely interested in wanting to personalize opposition and objection. Feminism and the feminist movement deserves a critique of its long term effects on society and the individual, its effects on the family and child development, mental health.

 

[Cintra]

...really just further confirmation that feminists or those of the feminist persuasion are only merely interested in wanting to personalize opposition and objection. Feminism and the feminist movement deserves a critique of its long term effects on society and the individual, its effects on the family and child development, mental health.

I am not a feminist.

I am a person.
A unique individual.

Just like everyone else.

 

[free2018]

Ten Lies of Feminism


At its inception, the feminist movement, accompanied by the sexual revolution, made a series of enticing, exciting promises to women. These promises sounded good, so good that many women deserted their men and their children or rejected the entire notion of marriage and family, in pursuit of "themselves" and a career. These pursuits, which emphasized self-sufficiency and individualism, were supposed to enhance a woman's quality of life and improve her options, as well as her relations with men. Now, a decade or so later, women have had to face the fact that, in many ways, feminism and liberation made promises that could not be delivered.

Lie #1: Women Can Have It All

The first lie is that women can have it all. We were fed an illusion that women, being the superior sex, have an inexhaustible supply of physical and emotional energy that enable us to juggle a career, family, friendships and volunteer service. Proponents of feminism declared that not only can women do what men do, but we ought to do what men do. Since men can't do what women can do--have babies--this put a double burden on women. It wasn't enough that women were already exhausted from the never-ending tasks of child-rearing and homemaking; we were told that women needed to be in the work force as well, contributing to the family financially.

Scripture presents a different picture for men and women. The Bible appears to make a distinction between each gender's primary energies. The commands to women are generally in the realm of our relationships, which is consistent with the way God made women to be primarily relational, being naturally sensitive to others and usually valuing people above things. Scripture never forbids women to be gainfully employed; in fact, the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31 is engaged in several part-time business ventures, in real estate and manufacturing. Nonetheless, it is the excellent care of her husband, her children, her home and her community that inspires the praise she is due. Titus 2 instructs older women to mentor younger women, and teach them to care for their husbands and children and homemaking responsibilities. The God-given strengths of a woman were given to bring glory to God through her womanly differences

Lie #2: Men and Women are Fundamentally the Same

Apart from some minor biological differences, feminism strongly suggested that males and females are fundamentally the same. Culture, it announced, was responsible for turning human blank slates into truck-wielding boys and doll-toting girls. This lie has been very effective at changing the culture. My husband Ray and I offer a seminar at Probe's Mind Games conferences called "Guys Are From Mars, Girls Are From Venus," where we go over the major differences between the sexes. Men, for instance, tend to be more goal-oriented and competitive, where women are more relational and cooperative. Men are active; women are verbal. This is intuitively obvious to the adults in our audience, but it is often new news to high school and college students. We find adults nodding with smiles of recognition, some of them nudging each other in the ribs. In the younger members of the audience, though, we see "the lights come on" in their eyes as they are exposed to something that is obvious and they probably already knew was true, but feminism's worldview had been feeding them a lie. They have been so immersed in this cultural myth that they had accepted it without question. One young man came up to me after a session and said he totally disagreed with me, that there are no real differences between males and females. I asked him if he treated his guy friends the same way he treated his girl friends, and he said, "Of course!" I asked, "And this doesn't cause you any problems?" He said no. With a smile, I suggested he come talk to me in ten years after he'd had a chance to experience real life!

The truth is that God created significant differences between males and females. We can see evidence of this in the fact that Scripture gives different commands for husbands and wives, which are rooted in the differing needs and divinely-appointed roles of men and women.

Lie #3: Desirability is Enhanced by Achievement

The third lie of feminism is that the more a woman achieves, the more attractive and desirable she becomes to men. The importance of achievement to a man's sense of self--an element of masculinity that is, we believe, God-given--was projected onto women. Feminism declared that achieving something, making a mark in the world, was the only measure of success that merited the respect of others. Women who believed this myth found themselves competing with men. Now, competition is appropriate in the business and professional world, but it's disastrous in relationships.

Men do respect and admire accomplished women, just as they do men, but personal relationships operate under a different set of standards. Men most appreciate a woman's unique feminine attributes: love, sensitivity, her abilities to relate. Women have been shocked to discover that their hard-won accomplishments haven't resulted in great relationships with men. Sometimes, being overeducated hampers a woman's ability to relate to men. Men's egos are notoriously fragile, and they are by nature competitive. It's threatening to many men when a woman achieves more, or accomplishes more, or knows more than they do. Feminism didn't warn women of the double standard in relationships: that achievement can and does reap benefits in our careers, but be a stumbling block in our relationships.

The question naturally arises, then, Is it bad for a woman to have a higher degree of education than the man in a relationship? Is it troublesome when a woman is smarter than the man? Should a woman "dumb down" in order to get or keep her man? In the words of the apostle Paul, "May it never be!" A woman living up to the potential of her God-given gifts brings glory to God; it would be an insult to our gracious God to pretend those gifts aren't there. The answer is for women to understand that many men feel threatened and insecure about this area of potential competition, and maintain an attitude of humility and sensitivity about one's strengths; as Romans exhorts us, "Honor[ing] one another above yourselves" (12:10).

Not surprisingly, God already knew about the disparity between the sexes on the issue of achievement. Throughout the Bible, men are called to trust God as they achieve whatever God has called them to do. It's important for men to experience personal significance by making a mark on the world. But God calls women to trust Him in a different area: in our relationships. A woman's value is usually not in providing history-changing leadership and making great, bold moves, but in loving and supporting those around us, changing the world by touching hearts. Once in a while, a woman does make her mark on a national or global scale: consider the biblical judge Deborah, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, and Indira Ghandi. But women like these are the exception, not the rule. And we don't have to feel guilty for not being "exceptional."

Lie #4: The Myth of One's "Unrealized Potential"

Lie number four says that all of us--but especially women--have tremendous potential that simply must be realized. To feminism's way of thinking, just being average isn't acceptable: you must be great.

This causes two problems. First, women are deceived into thinking they are one of the elite, the few, the special. Reality, though, is that most women are ordinary, one of the many. All of us are uniquely gifted by God, but few women are given visible, high- profile leadership roles, which tend to be the only ones that feminism deems valuable. We run into trouble when we're operating under a set of beliefs that don't coincide with reality!

Consequently, many women are operating under unrealistically high expectations of themselves. When life doesn't deliver on their hopes, whether they be making class valedictorian, beauty pageant winner, company president, or neurosurgeon, women are set up for major disappointment. Just being a cog in the wheel of your own small world isn't enough.

This brings us to the second problem. A lot of women beat themselves up for not accomplishing greatness. Instead of investing their life's energies in doing well those things they can do, they grieve what and who they are not. Just being good, or being good at what they do, isn't enough if they're not the best.

Romans 12:3 tells us, "Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought." Rather than worrying about our unrealized potential for some sort of nebulous greatness, we ought to be concerned about being faithful and obedient in the things God has given us to do, trusting Him for the ultimate results. And we ought to not worry about being ordinary as if there were some stigma to it. Scripture says that God is pleased to use ordinary people, because that's how He gets the most glory. (See 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.) There is honor in being an ordinary person in the hand of an extraordinary God.

Lie #5: Sexual Sameness

The fifth lie of feminism is that men and women are the same sexually. This lie comes to us courtesy of the same evil source that brought us the lies of the sexual revolution.

The truth is that women can't separate sex from love as easily as men can. For women, sex needs to be an expression of love and commitment. Without these qualities, sex is demeaning, nothing more than hormones going crazy.

The cost of sex is far greater for women than for men. Sex outside of a committed, loving relationship--I'm talking about marriage here--often results in unplanned pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and profound heartbreak. Every time a woman gives her body away to a man, she gives a part of her heart as well. Sexual "freedom" has brought new degrees of heartache to millions of women. The lie of sexual equality has produced widespread promiscuity and epidemic disease. No wonder so many women are struggling with self-esteem!

God's commands concerning sex take into account the fact that men and women are not the same sexually or any other way. He tells us to exercise self-control before marriage, saving all sexual expression for the constraints of a marriage relationship, and then to keep the marriage bed pure once we are married. When we follow these guidelines, we discover that God's laws provide protection for women: the security of a committed relationship, freedom from sexual health worries, and a stable environment for any children produced in the union. This high standard also protects men by providing a safe channel for their sexual energies. Both chaste single men, and faithful husbands, are kept safe from sexual diseases, unwanted pregnancies with women other than their wives, and the guilt of sexual sin.

Lie #6: The Denial of Maternity

Many women postponed marriage and childbearing to pursue their own personal development and career goals. This perspective denies the reality of a woman's reproductive system and the limitations of time. Childbearing is easier in a woman's 20s and 30s than in her 40s. Plus, there is a physical cost; science has borne out the liabilities that older women incur for themselves and their babies. Midlife women are more prone to have problems getting pregnant, staying pregnant, and then experiencing difficult deliveries. The risk of conceiving a child with Down's Syndrome is considerably higher in older mothers.{3} Fertility treatment doesn't work as well for women over 40.{4}

There is also a spiritual dimension to denying maternity. When women refuse their God-ordained roles and responsibilities, they open themselves to spiritual deception and temptations. 1 Timothy 2:15 is an intriguing verse: "But women will be saved through childbearing." One compelling translation for this verse is, "Women will be kept safe through childbearing," where Paul uses the word for childbearing as a sort of shorthand for the woman's involvement in the domestic sphere--having her "focus on the family," so to speak.(5) When a married woman's priorities are marriage, family and the home, she is kept safe--protected--from the consequences of delaying motherhood and the temptations that beleaguer a woman trying to fill a man's role. For example, I know one married woman who chose to pursue a full-time career in commercial real estate, to the detriment of her family. She confessed that she found herself constantly battling the temptation to lust on two fronts: sexual lust for the men in her office and her clients, and lust for the recognition and material things that marked success in that field. Another friend chose her career over having any children at all, and discovered that like the men in her field, she could not separate her sense of self from her job, and it ultimately cost her her marriage and her life as she knew it. The problem isn't having a career: the problem is when a woman gets her priorities out of balance.

Lie #7: To Be Feminine Is To Be Weak

In the attempt to blur gender distinctions, feminists declared war on the concept of gender-related characteristics. The qualities that marked feminine women--softness, sweetness, kindness, the ability to relate well--were judged as silly, stupid and weak. Only what characterized men--characteristics like firmness, aggressiveness, competitiveness--were deemed valuable.

But when women try to take on male qualities, the end result is a distortion that is neither feminine nor masculine. A woman is perceived as shrill, not spirited. What is expected and acceptable aggression in a man is perceived as unwelcome brashness in a woman. When women try to be tough, it is often taken as unpleasantness. Unfortunately, there really is a strong stereotype about "what women should be like" that merits being torn down. A lot of men are threatened by strong women with opinions and agendas of their own, and treat them with undeserved disrespect. But it is not true that traditionally masculine characteristics are the only ones that count.

There really is a double standard operating, because the characteristics that constitute masculinity and femininity are separate and different, and they are not interchangeable. To be feminine is a special kind of strength. It's a different, appealing kind of power that allows a woman to influence her world in a way quite distinct from the way a man influences the world. It pleased the Lord to create woman to complement man, not to compete with him or be a more rounded copy of him. 1 Corinthians 11:7 says that man is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. Femininity isn't weakness; it's the glorious, splendid crown on humanity.

Lie #8: Doing is Better Than Being

In his book Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus{6}, John Gray pointed out that men get their sense of self from achievement, and women get their sense of self from relationships. Feminism declared that the male orientation of what you do was the only one that mattered; who you are, and how important you are to the people in your world, didn't count for as much.

This lie said that active is good, passive is bad. Traditional feminine behaviors of being passive and receptive were denounced as demeaning to women and ineffective in the world. Only being the initiator counted, not being the responder. "To listen, to be there, to receive the other with an open heart and mind--this has always been one of the most vital roles of woman. Most women do this quite naturally, but many have come to feel uneasy in this role. Instead, they work frantically on assertiveness, aggression, personal expression, and power, madly suppressing their feminine instincts of love and relatedness."{7}

Women's roles in the family, the church, and the world are a combination of being a responder and an initiator. As a responder, a wife honors her husband through loving submission, and a woman serves the church through the exercise of her spiritual gifts. As an initiator and leader, a woman teaches her children and uses her abilities in the world, such as the woman of Proverbs 31. God's plan is for us to live a balanced life--sometimes active, sometimes passive; sometimes the initiator, sometimes the responder; at all times, submitting both who we are and what we do to the Lordship of Christ.

Lie #9: The Myth of Self-Sufficiency

The ninth lie is the myth of self-sufficiency. Remember the famous feminist slogan that appeared on everything from bumper stickers to t-shirts to notepads? "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." The message was clear: women don't need men, who are inferior anyway. The world would be a better place if women ran it: no wars, no greed, no power plays, just glorious cooperation and peace.

The next step after "women don't need men" was logical: women don't need anybody. We can take care of ourselves. Helen Reddy's hit song "I Am Woman" became feminism's theme song, with the memorable chorus, "If I have to, I can do anything / I am strong / I am invincible / I am woman!"

Of course, if women don't need anybody except themselves, they certainly don't need God. Particularly a masculine, patriarchal God who makes rules they don't like and insists that He alone is God. But the need to worship is deeply ingrained in us, so feminist thought gave rise to goddess worship. The goddess was just a female image to focus on; in actuality, goddess worship is worship of oneself.{8}

The lie of self-sufficiency is the same lie that Satan has been deceiving us with since the Garden of Eden: What do you need God for? We grieve the Lord's heart when we believe this lie. Jeremiah 2:13 says, "My people have committed two sins: they have forsaken Me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water." God made us for Himself; believing the lie of self-sufficiency isn't only futile, it's a slap in God's face.

Lie #10: Women Would Enjoy the Feminization of Men

The tenth lie of feminism is that women would enjoy the feminization of men. Feminists believed that the only way to achieve equality of the sexes was to do away with role distinctions. Then they decided that that wasn't enough: society had to do away with gender distinctions, or at the very least blur the lines. Women embraced more masculine values, and men were encouraged to embrace more feminine characteristics. That was supposed to fix the problem. It didn't.

As men tried to be "good guys" and accommodate feminists' demands, the culture saw a new type of man emerge: sensitive, nurturing, warmly compassionate, yielding. The only problem was that this "soft man" wasn't what women wanted. Women pushed men to be like women, and when they complied, nobody respected them. Women, it turns out, want to be the soft ones--and we want men to be strong and firm and courageous; we want a manly man. When men start taking on feminine characteristics, they're just wimpy and unmasculine, not pleasing themselves or the women who demanded the change. There is a good reason that books and movies with strong, masculine heroes continue to appeal to such a large audience. Both men and women respond to men who fulfill God's design for male leadership, protection, and strength.

Underlying the women's liberation movement is an angry, unsubmissive attitude that is fueled by the lies of deception. It's good to know what the lies are, but it's also important to know what God's word says, so we can combat the lies with the power of His truth.

Ten Lies of Feminism | Bible.org

Feminism made promises it couldn't keep. Probe's Sue Bohlin examines ten lines of feminism identified by Dr. Toni Grant from a Christian perspective. This essay examines the ten lies of feminism that Dr. Toni Grant suggests in her book Being a Woman.{1}

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4 Feminist Lies That Are Making Women Miserable

Twenty years ago, I wrote my first book about why women can’t “have it all,” or at least all at once, despite what the culture tells them. (Hint: It’s because no one, male or female, can perform two full-time jobs simultaneously without the bottom falling out.)

At the time, the so-called Mommy Wars were raging. Women everywhere who’d been sold a bill of goods by their feminist mothers and mentors were either lamenting the futility of being able to successfully work full-time outside the home while maintaining a healthy marriage and family life, or they were defending their choice to work full-time by insisting children do fine in round-the-clock substitute care.


Since then, the messages to women about how to have a happy life—as it relates to love and sex, work and family—have merely served to make women miserable. Not only are they unhappier than their mothers and grandmothers ever were, they’re significantly more stressed out; much more so than men.

None of this has done anything to help men and women find their way to one another. Dating in America is all but dead, and marriage is at an all-time low. While there’s more than one reason for this sad state of affairs, at the heart of it are the lies feminists have been telling for years. Here are four, in no particular order.

1. Women Don’t Need Men
It started with a seemingly comical phrase Gloria Steinem didn’t coin but repeatedly used during the height of the 1960s feminist movement: “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” It’s still alive and well today, whether it’s Jennifer Aniston talking about how women “don’t have to fiddle with a man to have that child” or Emma Watson talking about “self-partnering.” Over time, as women began to make their own money and take advantage of the newfound birth control pill, they came to believe that women don’t need men.

They were wrong. Biologically, women are wired to depend on men—regardless of much life has changed. Most women still want to be mothers, and when they do they become vulnerable. Even today, women know instinctively that they will ultimately need a man if they want to have a family and if they want the option of being home at all, if only for a period of time.


Indeed, research shows that what matters most to women—even to those who are economically independent—is knowing they have a man on whom they can rely. It’s the feeling of being safe and in good hands—yes, even financially—that matters most. That is what’s known as hypergamy, and it is alive and well in 2019.

2. Men and Women Are the Same, Or Gender Is a Social Construct
The precise moment in history when the relationship between the sexes took a nosedive is when women began to have sex like a man—casually, with no strings attached—under the guise that women are no different from men and are thus just as capable of having casual sex. Consider this ridiculous Bustle article asserting, based on a dubious study, that men and women are now equally likely to pursue a hookup if approached the right way.

From college campuses to our nation’s boardrooms, many women today have learned to pursue sex the way men often do: no commitment necessary. And they’re getting burned.

If there’s anything that proves this in spades, it’s the so-called campus r*pe crisis and the excesses of Me Too. For if it were true that women are “just like men” in their ability to disentangle sex and emotion, why would campus flings and office dalliances become a cause for the courts rather than a welcome ride?


It’s not just our sexuality that confirms the disparate natures of women and men. Parenting proves it in spades. Once a baby arrives, a woman’s nurturing gene almost always kicks in. Providing for her child emotionally is her first instinct, which is why going back to work so soon is heart-wrenching for mothers.

A father’s reaction is different: his first instinct is to support the family financially. It is not his sole contribution, but it’s first on his list. Simply put, that men and women may both be capable of performing identical tasks doesn’t mean they want to do them with equal fervor. Desire matters.

3. The Biological Clock Isn’t Real
The biological clock may be politically inconvenient, but that doesn’t make it any less real. The ideal age for a woman to get pregnant is 25, noted Gillian Lockwood, medical director at the Midland Fertility Clinic in the U.K., recently: “The bleak reality is that the chance of IVF working with your own eggs once you are 40 is absolutely abysmal…In what other branch of medicine would we let, yet alone encourage, patients to pay for an elective operation with a less than five percent chance of working?”

Because of this, it stands to reason that men can postpone marriage longer than women can. But we don’t tell women this. Instead, we pretend they can map out their lives with career at the center, as men do, as though they won’t hit a point in which their ability to conceive will invariably clash with a career. Articles abound with the goal to obscure the biological reality that it’s easier for women to have babies in their twenties and early thirties.


We lie to women, in other words, to further a political agenda. In doing so, feminists get what they want—for women to reject maternal desire and to instead produce in the marketplace—but women don’t.

Indeed, after decades of following the cultural script, women can often no longer find husbands. Or they can’t have babies. Or if they do get married and have babies, they can’t stay home with them because they mapped out a life that supported an entirely different goal.

4. A Career Is More Meaningful Than Marriage and Children
Of all the lies feminists tell, the idea that career success is more fulfilling than marriage and family is by far the greatest. It is almost impossible to convey the depth of this lie, for it too began in the 1960s, this time with Betty Friedan’s insistence that being a wife and mother is akin to being in a “comfortable concentration camp.” Since that time, American women have been walloped with a steady diet of words and images that drive Friedan’s argument home.

Humans are pack animals: we need to feel part of the group to feel good about ourselves. Some of us are content to stand apart from the crowd, but most are not. Ergo, cultural messages matter.

Women are surprised to discover that work isn’t nearly as satisfying as they were led to believe.
Since mothering is no longer revered or understood to be something a woman would want to do, let alone should do, women are surprised to discover how heart-wrenching it is to leave their babies and return to work. They’re surprised to discover that work isn’t nearly as satisfying as they were led to believe.

This same sense of unease is felt by single women who can’t find a man with whom to settle down. Careers aren’t fulfilling at all, it turns out, if you wind up in bed at night alone.

Too many women map out their lives with work at the center and eventually wish they hadn’t. Sadly, my inbox is loaded with emails from women who tell me they wished someone had told them this sooner.

So, here I am saying it as loudly as I can. Women have been lied to for years, and that’s why they’re so unhappy. There is only one solution. Flip your priorities—put love and family, not work, at the center—and you will win in the game of life. That’s what I did, and it made all the difference.

4 Feminist Lies That Are Making Women Miserable

Too many women map out their lives with work at the center and eventually wish they hadn’t. Women say they wish someone had told them this sooner.

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Looks good.
Satan’s people have been busy.

 

[Lyfe]

I am not a feminist.

I am a person.
A unique individual.

Just like everyone else.

Then why do YOU personally seek to still personalize valid critique?

Do you think society would be the same if there was just as much outlet dedicating time and resources to reach women informing them of their value to society in a traditional role as there is for the media and public indoctrination system gloating at how much of a great thing and success women in the work force now is for equality? Maybe if enough women realized how much value to society, their children, and husbands that a family orientated existence poses they may be persuaded and could mobilize and advocate to have the economy be reformed and dictated by that rather than their role become dictated by the economy.

Most women have only heard how great it is for them they have the same opportunities as men to work. They are so blinded and overwhelmed by this notion that no thought is given into how beneficial to society and even their own welfare that such a life could provide.

 

[Vmort]

It have nothing to do with real feminist movement. What written there is a nonsence.

 

[morita]

The problem with the word "feminist" is that it's become a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with gender relations. I honestly don't care that men feel threatened by feminism, I do not wish to improve relations between the sexes.
But it's become another way to control women in a sense. Men (and other women) are hell-bent on controlling women I often hear people say "You're not a real feminist if you do/like/think xyz".
Women don't have to fit into a mold to accomodate you, they can be more than one thing. I don't always agree with the philosophy of "choice feminism", but the more I move forward, the more I understand it since people are constantly trying to limit women's choice in one way or another.

 

[manama]

because both men and women are trapped in rat race where they both have to work.

Again, a direct result of the industrial revolution. Which you would know if you actually bother to read about it but no reading about actual history and actual knowledge would be too much for you.

 

[justjess]

I blame all social engineering(feminism is merely a piece of the pie) and just the fact that the conversations here have been devolved to what they have are proof of the engineering's success and intended efficiency to incite emotions that they were meant to... The exact same talking points used initially by feminists are alive and present in these conversations.

There is hardly any objective reflection on the long term effects of the social aspects of feminism in society that collectively shaped women's views and disposition toward career vs stay at home motherhood(and a family oriented existence). Why all the anti man pitches initially used in day? Why all the painting a negative light on such roles if its objective was purely economical based? No feminist brings up any economic reasoning to other women, its all male related... The fact that the first thing that enters into a woman's mind when a man objects feminism are the very same sentiments found here demonstrate the social aspect of reshaping woman's thought was far more a concern than anything economical, otherwise history would focus on that part... They wanted to pit women against men...

Honestly I couldn't care less if a male or female helps me find where I can find my size shoe at kohls or a male or female hands me my blizzard at dairy queen, or a male or female counts my deposit at a bank. Why would I care? Becoming part of the working class isnt any real win in freedom at all now that its evident most people arent happy with their 9 to 5, yet that is what its touted as... All the meanwhile kids are being raised by disenfranchised parents and mothers who are so stressed out trying to raise a family and perform in their career that the kid often gets neglected and raised by something else all simply, because a woman wants to become another cog in a corporatocracy and hail it as success and freedom. Obviously mothers are important, but mothers are becoming obsolete and becoming just another corporate cog when all their potential as nurturer they were designed to be goes to waste... So if your a woman then congrats in being a part of the working class. Im not trying to diminish any sort of advances made toward your pursuit of equality, but its like I said there is a trade off and in that trade off begins with the family and it just so happens the family is the base to any healthy society, therefore it is the key to mental health in general IMHO... But, you guys cant get over the notion of a male dominated patriarchal society where women are oppressed simply, because they are valued as keepers of the home and stay at home mothers. Idc if you guys are allowed to work.. Imho its a waste of what could otherwise be transferred into meaningful potential to build up society again, but if its seen as male oppression then feminist propaganda succeeded. Imagine how much value the stay at home mother could add to society. At this rate it would add infinitely more value than just another cog in the workforce... Women were designed as natural nurturers and caretakers. Men are not. They are designed for labor... You can argue against that, but you would be arguing against your own God given conscience...

I don’t know who your arguing with because you certainly aren’t responding to my own words and posts here. Definitely not the one you quoted in the response. If your end goal is more women staying home to care for their children... then there are ways to get there that solve the problems the economy created and the IR exacerbated which would allow more women to stay home, if they so choose. But it does not seem you want to have an actual intellectual conversation about solutions - you’d rather whine about women and feminism while discounting the viewpoints of every actual woman who has tried to engage you.

 

[Lyfe]

I don’t know who your arguing with because you certainly aren’t responding to my own words and posts here. Definitely not the one you quoted in the response. If your end goal is more women staying home to care for their children... then there are ways to get there that solve the problems the economy created and the IR exacerbated which would allow more women to stay home, if they so choose. But it does not seem you want to have an actual intellectual conversation about solutions - you’d rather whine about women and feminism while discounting the viewpoints of every actual woman who has tried to engage you.

That's pretty hypocritical considering nobody here even really bothered to address and respond specifically to any of the points brought up in the original post. Did you, or did you guys gloss at the title and put in your two cents with that? You attribute valid and articulated points(nevermind that you didnt even address the ones in the OP) I made to whining which is pretty intolerant and very unaccepting(there are those words again) of valid critique. Intolerance appears pretty at large here, but its not by feminist protesters. Two of the three women that dialoged with me were open feminists and the few women that did participate here discounted the viewpoints of everything I said and said in the OP and were too busy personalizing objections. That's hypocrisy and there was no interest on their part to actually engage me or the idea of potentially harmful social aspects belonging to feminism... They were too busy engaging their emotions to actually engage me constructively and the points made. Btw its hard to move unto solutions in this forum with women here when they cant even first accept the idea that the feminist movement is a problem. I cant speak solutions with people who wont first open up to accepting that feminism is a problem to begin with. The IR is not to blame for the issues and bullheadedness I am dealing with here. That is effectively the whole anti male females are oppressed feminist pitch that came with it, the same pitch that has to be dealt with first before women can finally get over these preconceived ideas. The IR didnt create this mentality you see here. The feminist campaign did. That is what you have to address first before you can talk solutions.... You cant even begin to have a constructive conversation leading into anything IR related when any objection to feminism is first met with "stop trying to oppress me, because I am a woman." You can blame feminism for this victim mentality not the IR. Some here are hypocrites and too proud to admit that the very feminist movement you guys support has actually ended up hurting most women, then children, the husbands, and then families and in result society. Maybe they can send in some other feminists here and ones that will actually bother to address the OP. Until then I suppose itll be business and repetition as normal with the usual campus feminists...

 

[Lyfe]

Again, a direct result of the industrial revolution. Which you would know if you actually bother to read about it but no reading about actual history and actual knowledge would be too much for you.

Yeah jess should probably just speak for you at this point...