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The average person isn’t anything and is just trying to survive the day to day.
No, your average people- who you don't seem to be in touch with- have their own ideas, beliefs and values. And the vast majority of people in the third world believe in God.



Atheism- 82% white LOL.... it is the whitest category on the chart
 

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This is literally China right now, not even exaggerating.
It really is not. None of the examples starman mentioned actually even follow his ideology.

Ho Chi Minh/Viet Cong- hardcore Vietnamese nationalist ideology, average Vietnamese don't know even what Marxism is, they just want to drive out the white invaders

Black Panthers- How many AAs read Karl Marx? The Black Panthers are a black nationalist symbol.

Fidel Castro- icon of Cuban and Latin American nationalism against US imperialism.

with basically all these people, their support amongst the masses is based on nationalism, not illiterate peasants in the fields reading Das Kapital.

same with Xi Jinping. does anyone really think ordinary Chinese people care about Marxism? no- Xi Jinping appeals to hardcore Chinese nationalism.

you see...

after Lenin died and Stalin took over, things changed. Stalin outlawed abortion, homosexuality, promoted family values and patriotism- even though this is totally against Marxist ideology. But the USSR had to fight Nazi Germany and the USSR couldn't actually survive on the basis of actual pure Marxist ideology- so patriotism was promoted in part to inspire fighting capability from the red army. Trotsky was totally against Stalin's anti-Marxist reforms and so this was what a lot of the Stalin-Trotsky split was about.

Fidel, Black Panthers, Ho Chi Minh, Xi Jinping, North Korea, they all followed/follow the Stalinist line and promote patriotism/nationalism. none of them actually follow what starman promotes.
 

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Im not an atheist. Anyway goodnight, take the last word and a victory if you must.
ok you're not an atheist but you want to get rid of every religion? there is something seriously wrong with you. you say you want people to keep their religion to themselves but you don't want to keep your degenerate anti-religiousness to yourself
 

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Open discussion forum is not? I want people to have their own personal and private spiritual beliefs that doesn’t force itself on others.
while you want to force your fringe beliefs on the vast majority of humanity which doesn't share your beliefs. what ordinary people want a one world system where everyone has their religion, culture and nationality taken away from them???
 

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When it is revealed beyond a doubt that there is life outside this planet the religions will come crashing down and be forced to deal with this reality.
What I find greatly amusing is that you think that this idea has any existential significance, especially for theistic religious people who believe in much more ontologically immense things than mere extraterrestrial life (which is fundamentally no different from terrestrial life). Aliens exist, so what? Aliens don't exist, so what?
It seems you yourself have quite a religious narrative tied to these very much speculative "Aliens" and various moral and even salvific qualities attached to it, which you simply do not know.

While I myself found Aliens and UFOs really fascinating when I was way younger, I find it very extremely hard to rationalize a speculative existence of aliens being any more existentially shocking than the existence of animals which we take for granted that have already been living here too since the beginning of the planet (sic).
This is leaving aside all the cultural, intelligence propaganda and other elements to the whole modern alien mythos.

Placing on a secular hat for sake of argument, I fail to see anything about speculative "Aliens" that merit the qualities you attach to them.
Plus beyond that the unlikelihood that given the nature of time and space in modern astrophysics; that them reaching earth would be even possible, let alone that they would even know we existed at all, let alone any other possible attributes (like them being more superior/intelligent than us or so forth).
 

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What I find greatly amusing is that you think that this idea has any existential significance, especially for theistic religious people who believe in much more ontologically immense things than mere extraterrestrial life (which is fundamentally no different from terrestrial life). Aliens exist, so what? Aliens don't exist, so what?
It seems you yourself have quite a religious narrative tied to these very much speculative "Aliens" and various moral and even salvific qualities attached to it, which you simply do not know.

While I myself found Aliens and UFOs really fascinating when I was way younger, I find it very extremely hard to rationalize a speculative existence of aliens being any more existentially shocking than the existence of animals which we take for granted that have already been living here too since the beginning of the planet (sic).
This is leaving aside all the cultural, intelligence propaganda and other elements to the whole modern alien mythos.

Placing on a secular hat for sake of argument, I fail to see anything about speculative "Aliens" that merit the qualities you attach to them.
Plus beyond that the unlikelihood that given the nature of time and space in modern astrophysics; that them reaching earth would be even possible, let alone that they would even know we existed at all, let alone any other possible attributes (like them being more superior/intelligent than us or so forth).
The explanation that he gave makes no sense.

@STARMAN Aliens would not be a problem for either Islam or Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity neither confirm nor deny the existence of aliens.


In any case, my view is that starman is almost certainly a shill.

What are the odds that he just happens to promote the exact same NWO ideology as the elite?

And look at how the elite is pushing this aliens agenda. He's pushing this whole alien cult.

And then given those aforementioned factors- why would someone like that just happen to be here?

Furthermore- he is against all religion but he is not an atheist?? And I believe him that's not an atheist. I think he's very likely some kind of Luciferian/occultist.

I think he is almost certainly some kind of shill for the elite- firstly.

Now secondly- what is this about that "aliens" will appear and religion will vanish??

The surface explanation makes no sense. The existence of aliens would make no difference for Muslims or Christians as far as their religion.

But- firstly, as I'm sure many here know- these "aliens" who have been contacting people and promoting nwo ideology- they are not "aliens". They are demons/jinn.

So these evil entities will appear to humans and guide them away from their previous beliefs. I believe this is some kind of weird satanic end times type stuff. I don't doubt that the "aliens" will appear and that they will radically shift humanity in terms of their beliefs but I believe they will be demons and they will be pushing humans further into some kind of satanic nwo system that this user is a shill for.
 

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Which verses?
I am reminded, from Deuteronomy of:

“Therefore take good heed to yourselves. Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air,
the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.

And beware lest you lift up your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and worship them and serve them, things which the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

- Deuteronomy 4:15-19
 

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Thats clearly a jealous god saying not to worship the moon, sun or constellations as other cultures of the time did.

The fact is if aliens do exist it goes against dogmatic literalist interpretation of religion and you are terrified of this possibility. You can try and brush it off as “so what?” but this revelation will finish what the globe and heliocentrism started.
No one is terrified of aliens existing and this supposedly disproving Islam or Christianity.

God not mentioning aliens in the first verses of Genesis doesn't prove that the Bible claims aliens doesn't exist. That is an absurd stretch. Not mentioning aliens is not a claim that aliens don't exist.
 

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Thats clearly a jealous god saying not to worship the moon, sun or constellations as other cultures of the time did.
Ah okay, so you're all for respecting other cultures as long as they're pagan and not Muslim or Christian. Interesting to note, glad I'm not pagan.
 

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but this revelation will finish what the globe and heliocentrism started.
Such statements simply reek of specific ideological agendas, rather than any true representation of reality (again wearing the secular hat for sake of argument).
If it takes these specific puzzle pieces to achieve what you claim it does, then it stands more to reason that these puzzle pieces serve not facts unto themselves but sociopolitical coercive roles related specifically to the talking points that you repeat.
 

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So what happens when they show up, are millions of years ahead of us in terms of evolution and don’t believe in your god?
Your religions will come crashing down
You can repeat this a hundred times and it won't make it any more true. No Muslims or Christians are worried about this. I can promise you I've never been kept up at night worrying about the scenario you present.

But yes, the "aliens" that are communicating with people are actually demons and so there is a real possibility that they will become apparent and manipulate people as some kind of satanic nwo thing.
 

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However I will outline that the UFO phenomenon in-and-of-itself represents more of a collective Rorschach which unifies more elements of instability between several different perspectives than simply a literal extraterrestrial political (very much socialist by ideology) type of subject.
But the socialist literal alien technology perspective is very strongly tied to many pop culture, pop scifi and pop politics trends (such as Liberalism, LGBT, AI and Transhumanism). Those elements all support each other as a reliant political trajectory of a certain form of leftist which actually reinforces capitalism far stronger than right forms of capitalism.

There are many sides to the UFO phenomenon's theoretical framework than one and to represent solely one of those positions is a matter of ideology. This is something that I could write a lot about but it is not really my place here to go over it all.
 

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Satan and god are myths. However if you look at it, Satan saw that God is evil ( which if he exists he is ) and tried to stop Him.
The Gnostic eisegesis is patently false. The Torah interprets itself, it is not a mystery or conspiracy.

"When you enter the land and plant any tree for food,
you shall regard its fruit as forbidden.
Three years it shall be forbidden for you, not to be eaten.
In the fourth year all its fruit shall be set aside for jubilation before YHWH;
and only in the fifth year may you use its fruit—
that its yield to you may be increased: I YHWH am your God."


- Leviticus 19:23-25

Genesis 3 is about jubilation and blessing already there, at the expense of the arrogance and impatience of the Serpent which corrupted that blessing causing the Fall (not original sin) and expulsion from the Garden (this forms the narrative throughout the Bible of the Israelites and later the Jews, constantly self-sabotaging themselves from the promised land). This goes forward to things like the 40 years in the desert, the Babylonian Exile, the destruction of the 2nd Temple and so forth. It's all very much practical and not what your dualistic Gnostic eisegesis says it is.
It's not about belief or my or your opinion, it's about the actual intertextual nature of these things in the Torah which are strongly consistent and self-interpreting.

 

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No it’s just dumb. That’s the stupidest thing imaginable. Completely ridiculous for a so called moral god. It’s nonsense written by frightened primitives.
And you can have your opinion but it is just bland, empty rhetoric. It is evident you have very strong emotional feelings there, you're free to keep them. However, as Seekinheart has always used as a pejorative towards me, I am more intellectually inclined than emotionally, so I will never be able to sympathize with your kneejerk emotional rhetoric. I am not cold to emotion but I place logic in front of it. Emotion is, by itself, a blind force.

Even from a merely analytical lens (and not proselyting), you refuse to engage the textual reality of your particular false eisegesis.
 

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There is no character it’s the truth. There is no need to force us into existence against our consent into a life of uncertainty under the threat of eternal torture unless you are selfish and evil. God does not have to do this to us but he does because he gets off on it. This is what you can you can never admit even though you know it’s true . If god exists he is evil there is no other conclusion than this.
So behind that verbiage, are you basically arguing for antinatalism?
Or is it just that you find the ontology of eternal ramification of things (which occur between the cycle of birth and death within a persons life) to be fundamentally uncomfortable or unsettling to your underlying moral and ethical values? (which are quite evidently Liberal by ideology)

Regardless of either, justice is something that is a trait strongly held by people including yourself, so the concept alone is not something you can oppose in the case of your liberal leanings, but rather the epistemology and scales used to set the moral and ethical standards themselves (in which justice is understood and implemented).
 

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In terms of God according to the Torah, one of my favorite passages:

“And now, Israel, what does YHWH your God require of you, but to fear YHWH your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
and to keep the commandments and statutes of YHWH, which I command you this day for your good?
Behold, to YHWH your God belong heaven and the heaven of heavens, the earth with all that is in it;
yet YHWH set his heart in love upon your fathers and chose their descendants after them, you above all peoples, as at this day.
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn.
For YHWH your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the terrible God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.
He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
Love the sojourner therefore; for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
You shall fear YHWH your God; you shall serve him and cleave to him, and by his name you shall swear.
He is your praise; he is your God, who has done for you these great and mighty things which your eyes have seen.

Your fathers went down to Egypt seventy persons; and now YHWH your God has made you as the stars of heaven for multitude.
- Deuteronomy 10:12-22
 

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Your favorite verse says it all. He is to be feared like any abuser. He admits he is terrible. Your verse proves my point .
If you want to better understand the connotations of the word used, יָרֵא (translated as "fear"), it is better to consider the feeling you get when watching things on astronomy. There is both lovecraftian dread at the same time as awe, bliss and love. The aspect of power and immensity combined with beauty.
 
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