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Still, i mean that's what the opposite gender (the misogynists) say about us.
Yes but women as a whole have not treated men the way men have treated women as a whole. Like all through history and even up to today in many cases. Women have never thought of men as second class citizens or half-people.
 






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Yes but women as a whole have not treated men the way men have treated women as a whole. Like all through history and even up to today in many cases. Women have never thought of men as second class citizens or half-people.
Although we have lived in a patriarchal society, i hate that i have to say this, but I think history has been sex washed. Painting the males as the only ONES who behave their sexist demeanor towards women for many years when it's both genders. I'm sure the matriarchy is something that exists. I mean, women abusing their power towards men. Let's not pretend like that didn't or does not happen now.
 






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Although we have lived in a patriarchal society, i hate that i have to say this, but I think history has been sex washed. Painting the males as the only ONES who behave their sexist demeanor towards women for many years when it's both genders. I'm sure the matriarchy is something that exists. I mean, women abusing their power towards men. Let's not pretend like that didn't or does not happen now.
For sure there are women who hate men. There are female abusers, toxic horrible women who abuse men. But it's impossible for history to be "sex washed". Patriarchy has been observed universally across virtually every culture in literature, religion, etc. Theres cases of men taking credit for women's contributions but never vice versa. If women were in power to discriminate against men that way, why would they have allowed patriarchy to exist in the first place? Fact of the matter is men used their biological advantage of strength to "keep women in line".

Edit: also, looking at historical accounts of any societies resembling "matriarchies", they were far more egalatarian than authoritarian with women in charge. You can read up on it.
 






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You would know about mental deficiency.

Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." (Sahih al-Bukhari 2658)
ok and? men and women are different & have different strengths and weaknesses. in some cases a women's testimony is equal to a man and in other cases when it doesn't suit her nature (like in trade) it doesn't. financial fields are dominated by men for a reason you know. and fields that better suit a woman's nature - like childcare, tend to be dominated by women.

if you want to cry about a lack of gender equality then cry about your own bible.
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim. 2:11-14
 






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ok and? men and women are different & have different strengths and weaknesses. in some cases a women's testimony is equal to a man and in other cases when it doesn't suit her nature (like in trade) it doesn't. financial fields are dominated by men for a reason you know. and fields that better suit a woman's nature - like childcare, tend to be dominated by women.
Women are better investors

"A study of 2,800 investors over three years by the Warwick Business School, found that women investors outperformed men by 1.8% per year. Women tend to be long-term planners who focus on reaching their financial goals. They are less likely to be motivated by making quick, riskier returns and more easily seek out expert financial advice than men."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.iol.co.za/amp/personal-finance/retirement/devastating-financial-gender-gap-has-grown-women-are-better-investors-but-retire-with-30-40-less-than-men-5cd448b4-e400-497e-a524-970fdd359f6f

" A separate study by Hargreaves Lansdown, the UK’s biggest consumer investment platform, also found that women investors had the edge, returning on average 0.81 per cent more than men over a three-year period. Hargreaves points out that if this pattern were to continue for 30 years, the average woman would end up with a portfolio worth 25 per cent more than the average man.

This begs the question — why don’t more women invest? Public perceptions of women’s investment prowess are much less positive. In the US, Fidelity Investments’ latest Women and Money Survey found that only 9 per cent of people surveyed believed women to be better at investing than men."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/f3835072-66a6-11e9-9adc-98bf1d35a056

" It looks like women investors are beating their male counterparts when it comes to investing. An investment report by ET MONEY has found that in each of the past four years, women investors on ETMONEY have earned around 10% more returns every year as compared to their male counterparts, with their investments offering the best returns in 2020, the year that challenged every investor. "This difference in the average annual returns earned by men and women is reflective of two key traits - women investors turning savvier in finance and honing healthier financial habits," stated a press release by ET MONEY."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/women-earn-more-average-return-from-their-investments-than-men-in-the-past-four-years-investment-report/amp_articleshow/81389409.cms

Men dominating financial fields has nothing to do with a woman's lack of ability.

if you want to cry about a lack of gender equality then cry about your own bible.
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim. 2:11-14
Both Islam and Christianity (and Judaism) treat women like shit so that's no surprise there. Two sides, same coin.
 






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ok and? men and women are different & have different strengths and weaknesses. in some cases a women's testimony is equal to a man and in other cases when it doesn't suit her nature (like in trade) it doesn't. financial fields are dominated by men for a reason you know. and fields that better suit a woman's nature - like childcare, tend to be dominated by women.

if you want to cry about a lack of gender equality then cry about your own bible.
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Tim. 2:11-14
That's funny: you tried to pull a fast one on me by calling me mentally deficient as an insult and when I showed that your own prophet called your sex mentally deficient, you justified it by calling it a woman's "weakness". Then, even though I'm not "cry[ing] about a lack of gender equality" you bring up a Bible verse (as Muslims invariably do) which even you must agree with since Islam does not have female sheiks and imams (i.e. teachers) and goes one step further and segregates men and women in mosques. But because you conceded that you are inherently mentally deficient, it makes sense why you thought you were going to get me again.
 






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Women are better investors

"A study of 2,800 investors over three years by the Warwick Business School, found that women investors outperformed men by 1.8% per year. Women tend to be long-term planners who focus on reaching their financial goals. They are less likely to be motivated by making quick, riskier returns and more easily seek out expert financial advice than men."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.iol.co.za/amp/personal-finance/retirement/devastating-financial-gender-gap-has-grown-women-are-better-investors-but-retire-with-30-40-less-than-men-5cd448b4-e400-497e-a524-970fdd359f6f

" A separate study by Hargreaves Lansdown, the UK’s biggest consumer investment platform, also found that women investors had the edge, returning on average 0.81 per cent more than men over a three-year period. Hargreaves points out that if this pattern were to continue for 30 years, the average woman would end up with a portfolio worth 25 per cent more than the average man.

This begs the question — why don’t more women invest? Public perceptions of women’s investment prowess are much less positive. In the US, Fidelity Investments’ latest Women and Money Survey found that only 9 per cent of people surveyed believed women to be better at investing than men."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/f3835072-66a6-11e9-9adc-98bf1d35a056

" It looks like women investors are beating their male counterparts when it comes to investing. An investment report by ET MONEY has found that in each of the past four years, women investors on ETMONEY have earned around 10% more returns every year as compared to their male counterparts, with their investments offering the best returns in 2020, the year that challenged every investor. "This difference in the average annual returns earned by men and women is reflective of two key traits - women investors turning savvier in finance and honing healthier financial habits," stated a press release by ET MONEY."
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/women-earn-more-average-return-from-their-investments-than-men-in-the-past-four-years-investment-report/amp_articleshow/81389409.cms

Men dominating financial fields has nothing to do with a woman's lack of ability.


Both Islam and Christianity (and Judaism) treat women like shit so that's no surprise there. Two sides, same coin.
you're talking about investing
i can't recall islam commenting on the ability of women in terms of investments. here is the verse i will be referring to:
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while i did not comment of abilities in investing specifically, i believe i made a mistake in commenting on financial abilities in general. scholars have described this ruling as follows:

Ibn al-Qayyim writes:
"وَالْمَرْأَةُ الْعَدْلُ كَالرَّجُلِ فِي الصِّدْقِ وَالْأَمَانَةِ وَالدِّيَانَة إلَّا أَنَّهَا لَمَّا خِيفَ عَلَيْهَا السَّهْوُ وَالنِّسْيَانُ قَوِيَتْ بِمِثْلِهَا وَذَلِكَ قَدْ يَجْعَلُهَا أَقْوَى مِنْ الرَّجُلِ الْوَاحِدِ أَوْ مِثْلَهُ" "The woman is equal to the man in honesty, trust, and piety; otherwise, whenever it is feared that she will forget or misremember, she is strengthened with another like herself. That makes them stronger than a single man or the likes of him."
 






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That's funny: you tried to pull a fast one on me by calling me mentally deficient as an insult and when I showed that your own prophet called your sex mentally deficient, you justified it by calling it a woman's "weakness". Then, even though I'm not "cry[ing] about a lack of gender equality" you bring up a Bible verse (as Muslims invariably do) which even you must agree with since Islam does not have female sheiks and imams (i.e. teachers) and goes one step further and segregates men and women in mosques. But because you conceded that you are inherently mentally deficient, it makes sense why you thought you were going to get me again.
are you stupid? islam does have female sheikhs (scholars). what islam doesn't have is female imams (prayer leaders) for prayers which include both sexes.

as for the mental deficiency of a woman, this is in regards to a specific situation (ie. her testimony). it is not saying women are less intelligent then men in every situation or that men are more intelligent than women in every situation. women are also physically weaker than men in many ways, however acknowledging this fact is not something that one should take offense to.
 






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Absolutely not!! Trust must be EARNED by people. It takes a lot of TIME to get to know new people who you’ve just met. You’ve got it backwards! It doesn’t matter if you’ve known a person for 20 plus years, they could still turn around and betray you. I’ve seen it happen, unfortunately. Once you tell somebody something; it’s out there; you can’t take it back. There’s nothing you can do if the person chooses to tell your deepest secrets that you’ve (foolishly and naively) trusted them with!
 






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I can do both at the same time, I can be mad at men for being violent and predatory pos, and I can be mad at women for being fucking idiots.
Men are not gonna change, there are no consequences for them not changing. Wishful thinking is not gonna chieve anything.

I'm just curious. Women are constantly complaining about doing the majority of the housework and child rearing, abt being raped, abt being sexually assaulted, harrassed, gropped, stalked, abused, preyed on, so why do yall keep engaging with men (if not for all the things I mentionned above)?

Men can be as misogynistic and horrible as they want and yall keep defend them, live with them and protect them no matter what. So why would they change?
And to add to my last point btw. Just because I rightfully criticize women doesn't mean I despise them. It's such childish rethoric to jump into 'yOu HaTE WoMEn" or any other group as soon as someone makes valid criticism of said group. What people really are saying is that I should tone it down a notch or censor my language to accomodate them lol fuck that.
If you need to be treated with kid gloves and have someone hold you by the hand so that their expressing their opinion doesn't feel like an attack, that's on you.
 






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No. Because women aren't notorious for being violent against me
From statistical data they tend to do both.....alot
Absolutely. They have two personas: the working family man, and “provider,” and the wild and crazy party guy who will go and cop an 8 ball, call up an escort (prostitution) service for some girls to f**k, and party all night til the sun comes up (or til the blow is gone haha)!
 






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And note the hypocrisy. It's the same idiot who says that some women give all women a bad name are the same who then turn around and claim that it doesnt make sense to judge an entire group on the basis of the acts of some.
No. What I’m saying is that women that act horribly give all women a bad name.
It doesn’t make sense to blame every single member of a gender for actions of other members of their gender.
As for whether radfems despise women or not, feminism is not a fucking social club.
 






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And note the hypocrisy. It's the same idiot who says that some women give all women a bad name are the same who then turn around and claim that it doesnt make sense to judge an entire group on the basis of the acts of some.


As for whether radfems despise women or not, feminism is not a fucking social club.
You need to get a life. Seriously.

we should not be judging any individual by their group affiliation - however, that’s what most people tend to do. So when you make statements as a member of a group know that others will use those statements as justification for whatever crap they believe of the entire group they identify you as a member of. Especially when the things you say confirm some preconceived bullshit idea they have of that group.

You can be salty for the rest of your dull life because I don’t agree with you judging potential mates on their looks and bank accounts.. or you can grow up and move on. Block me and put me on ignore like you claim to do.
 






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You need to get a life. Seriously.
lol she says with her 11000 posts. You didn't have to respond to that either, yet here you are with your random ass.
You're claiming that I despise women because I stated they should separate from men to challenge the system, yet you're blaming so-called "shallow" women for the way women are treated as a whole. I was pointing your inconsistencies and lack of self-awareness. As people love to say 'it's a public forum, I'll post wherever the fuck I want'. I'd rather settle accounts now and move on.
we should not be judging any individual by their group affiliation - however, that’s what most people tend to do. So when you make statements as a member of a group know that others will use those statements as justification for whatever crap they believe of the entire group they identify you as a member of. Especially when the things you say confirm some preconceived bullshit idea they have of that group.
I was pointing out your hypocrisy at saying it's senseless to judge all men by the actions of some when you yourself do that.
You can be salty for the rest of your dull life because I don’t agree with you judging potential mates on their looks and bank accounts
No. you claimed I stated I wanted a rich and good-looking man while I stated I didn't want one who was ugly or broke and like I said tons of people aren't broke nor rich. I didn't mention anywhere that paying attention to those characteristics preclude taking other traits into account. You don't know me bitch, so put that through your fucking head. so first: fuck you for putting words in my mouth. You also tried to make a parallel btw my statements and what men have done for centuries. How can one be so biggoted as to compare one thread and one individual statements with thousand of years of oppression. I also said it was pointless to be with a man who acts like a children and can't take care of his damn self, how convenient that people ignore some statements to portray themselves as somehow morally superior. You think you're morally supeeriod because you married down?! LMAO if you're married you're serving the same purpose as a prostitute. Oh, and not getting any money in exchange. and have your body ravaged by back-to-back pregnancies (hello stretch marks).
If all you want as a feminist is the right to be EQUALLY HORRIBLE please stop calling yourself a feminist. You give the rest of us a bad name.
And fuck you for thinking you're the gatekeeper of feminism.
if this is how you determine what men to involve yourself with, no wonder you think men are horrible.
And finally. fuck you for victim blaming. You're the same person who was cliaming she was raped at a party in the socialized to eb rapists thread? Should I say it's because you choose to involve yourself with the wrong men also?
 






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