@Illuminized Iam moving this here to be explored so as not to derail the other thread I don't have what you'd call a 'legitimate source' to back up my claim, except my own philosophical pov. But i will make an appeal to Faustian pact. It is the epitome of self-harm inherent to man. ...Aswell as Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn to my aid "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains ... an unuprooted small corner of evil. In this tug-of-war raging in our hearts, if Good loosened grip of its side of the rope, what do you think will happen? Keeping in mind that we already are inclined to or have an appetite for rebellion, and that man isn't the Source of good.