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Astrology is forbidden by the God of Israel. And comes from ancient Babylon.
You are mixing new age into Christianity.
Given that God named the stars and included them in the things He would use for signs, there is at least the possibility that the stars have a message to tell, and that astrology is a later corruption to biblical astronomy.

Seiss and Bullinger in the 19th Century both wrote on the subject, and an overview of their findings can be explored below:-

http://www.setterfield.org/stargospel.html


If Psalm 19 is correct, then we should be able to find something about this in other cultures as well. Actually, one of the answers to this is one of the main tourist attractions in Egypt: the Sphinx.

The famous sphinx, the giant lion with a woman’s head, points exactly due east. It is so exact it cannot be an accident. The name ‘sphinx’ itself comes from the Greek ‘sphiggo,’ meaning ‘bind closely together. On tomb ceilings in Karnak the zodiac is depicted. This is also true at Dendera on the tomb ceilings there. In both places are pictures of the sphinx, placed at the end of the constellation Virgo and the beginning of Leo, with the head looking to Virgo and the tail in Leo.

sphinx

In addition, at the time the Sphinx was carved, about the time of the First Intermediate Period, the axis tilt of the earth and the precession of the equinoxes meant that at that time of the spring equinox, as the sun was rising, the sphinx was pointed directly at the division between Virgo and Leo.

This was evidently important. The tomb ceilings tell us to start at Virgo. Let’s do that and look at the names of the stars and constellations, going as far back as we can where the names are concerned. Let’s see what we find. Some associated star groups and constellations will be discussed along with each of the zodiac constellations.

VIRGO and Coma

It is necessary to keep in mind that the 'stick figures' which connect the stars and the classical drawings which add so much detail can be quite different, as the various cultures choose to add or subtract various parts. Some of the classical drawings will be shown below, but the 'stick figures' are what actually show how the stars in each group are connected.


number1





The alpha star is listed above as Spica (its Roman name). Hebrew name: Zerah. Meaning: ‘seed in Hebrew,’ ‘seed cluster’ in Latin.

The beta star (Beta Virginis, β ) is to the far right. Hebrew name: Zavijaveh or Zavijahveh which is a form of Tsebijahweh or Tsebiyahweh. Tsebi means “beautiful” or “desirable” and JHWH or YHWH is the tetragrammaton, the name of God to the Israelites. Therefore this star name means the “beautiful LORD.”

The gamma star (Gamma Virginis, γ ) is in the middle of the bottom of the constellation. The star Gamma has the name Porrima which was the Roman goddess of childbirth. It seems that this name has been substituted for an earlier name, and, indeed, some old star maps show this star (Gamma) as being called Al Tzemech instead of it being an alternative name for Alpha. In Hebrew, the word Tzemech means “Branch”

Another named star in Virgo is the Epsilon star (Epsilon Virginis ε ), the ‘topmost’ star in the figure above. Commonly called Vindemiatrix, it can be shown that this name originated with the poem “Phainomena” by Aratus and literally means “grape-gatherer”. R.H. Allen points out that in ancient times, before Aratus, it was called Al Muredin or Al Muridin, which in Arabic means “The One Sent Forth” or “The Sent One” In Chinese, this star was called Tsze Tseang “The Second General”

The Hebrew word ‘Zerah’ (the alpha star) is the word used to describe Messiah to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15 and to Abraham in Genesis 15:5. This latter reference is particularly interesting as Abraham had just been listing off the stars by name, and God said to him “So shall your Seed be”. Rabbi Paul, the Apostle, said in Galatians 3:16 that this “Seed” promised to Abraham was Messiah Himself. This was in line with the historic understanding of the meaning of the conversation between God and Abraham: the seed, “zerah” was a direct reference to the coming Messiah.

This understanding points to the fact that Messiah was to come as the “Seed of the Virgin.” This prophecy had both a general and specific application. In a general sense, the Virgin was a representation of Israel. We can see this in God’s comment through the prophet Isaiah to King Hezekiah of Israel about Sennacherib, King of Assyria, who had just been humiliated at Jerusalem. God said “The Virgin, the daughter of Zion, has despised you and laughed you to scorn.” The virgin daughter of Zion is the nation of Israel, from whom Messiah came. But prophecy concerning “zerah” is also specific. In Isaiah 7, the prophet tells Ahaz to ask a sign from God either from the depths (the ocean), or from the height above (the heavens or stars). Ahaz refuses, but Isaiah says God will give a sign and God chose the Heavens about which Isaiah said “The LORD Himself will give you a sign Behold THE Virgin will conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” Since the definite article is in the original Hebrew, a very specific virgin was in mind, so that Matthew 1:23 states that this Isaiah 7 passage refers uniquely to Messiah and his First Coming as an atonement for Mankind.

There is also a second application for Alpha star in Virgo. It comes from its alternative name “Azimech”, which is a contraction of Al Tzemech. Some old star maps give this name to the alpha star in Virgo, but others to the gamma star. In Hebrew, the word Tzemech means “Branch” in the same way that the Latin Virga means ‘Branch’. However, in Hebrew Bible, this word is used uniquely of Messiah in Isaiah 4:2, Jeremiah 23:5,6 & 33:15, Zechariah 3:8 & 6:12. Thus the indication is that the Branch (Messiah) is to come as the Seed of the Virgin.

Al Muridin is the epsilon star, which in Arabic means “The One Sent Forth” or “The Sent One.” This is what Messiah claimed to be numerous times in the Gospel of John. For example “I come not to do my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me” 5:30; 6:38 (see also 6:29, 57; 7:16, 18, 33; 8:26, 29, 42 etc.). In Chinese, this star was called Tsze Tseang, meaning “The Second General”, which may perhaps symbolize Messiah as the Second Person in the Trinity of the Godhead.

The beta star reinforces all of this in its name, Tsebiyahweh, the “beautiful LORD” (note the word ‘yahweh’ at the end of the name).

Thus, the part of the story indicated by the constellation Virgo is that Messiah, the Beautiful Branch of the LORD, the Second Person, the Sent One, was to come as the Seed of the Virgin from the nation of Israel. That is the beginning of the Gospel story.

In the sky, Virgo looks like this:

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Coma:



coma

This constellation is the first Decan of Virgo. A Decan is a lesser constellation that is associated with one of the Zodiac figures. To the ancients, the constellation Coma was connected with Virgo. Its original Hebrew name was Kamah or Comah meaning “the Desired, or Longed for.” The word is used in Psalm 63:1 where David said to God that “My soul longs for You.” The word is also associated with chemdah or “desire” which is used in Haggai 2:7 to speak of Messiah saying that “The Desire of all nations will come.” This interpretation is backed up by the Zodiac in the Egyptian Temple at Denderah where there is the figure of a woman and child representing Coma, but the Egyptian name for it was “Shes-nu” or “The Desired Son”. We can go further. Even Shakespeare knew of this signification for in Titus Andronicus Act iv Scene 3, he speaks of an arrow speeding heavenward to “the Good Boy in Virgo’s lap.”

The ancient Sumerian name for this constellation was HE.GAL- a-a. HE means "good," GAL means "great" and the a-a ending means "son."

The ancient Akkadian name for this constellation was kakkab nushi. Ka means "house;", nu means "king" or "lord;" and shi is "horn," "offspring" or "power."

Albumazar (or Abu Masher 787-885 AD) an Arabian astronomer to the Caliphs of Grenada about 850 AD said: “There arises in the first Decan [of Virgo], as the Persians, Chaldeans, and Egyptians … teach, a young woman, whose Persian name denotes a pure virgin sitting on a throne, nourishing an infant boy (the boy, I say) having a Hebrew name, by some nations called IHESU, with the signification IEZA, which in Greek is called CHRISTOS.” A Latin translation of Albumazer’s writings is in the Library of the British Museum. Thus there can be no doubt about Albumazer’s understanding of the star story. This is all the more interesting since he was a Muslim.

Nevertheless, this is NOT what is found on modern maps. Instead of Comah or Chemdah we now have Coma Berenices, or, literally, Berenice’s Hair! Berenice II was the battle-seasoned wife of Ptolemy III (Euergetes), king of Egypt in the 3rd Century BC. Ptolemy Euergetes embarked on the 3rd Syrian (or Laodicean) War, and left Berenice as head of government while he was away. She vowed to consecrate her magnificent hair to Aphrodite if he returned safely. Ptolemy III campaigned into Babylonia for five years until 241 BC and did return safely. His wife’s hair was duly hung in the Temple of Aphrodite. However, shortly after, the hair was stolen, and Conon, the court astronomer in Alexandria (283-222 BC) comforted Berenice by indicating that Jupiter had taken it and made it the constellation Coma Berenices! It may be that the deception was deliberate in this case. Conon knew very well that the constellation’s name was comah (desired) which was very similar to the Greek word “Có-me” or Latin “Coma” both of which mean “hair”. One may be excused for thinking that Conon was, at the very least, covering for the theft. Callimachus, who was the Historian of the Alexandrian Library at the time, made sure that this event was recorded that way on their star maps. So it is through these actions that we have a corrupted name today.

I mentioned this to @TokiEl on another thread but it does appear that Satan is a thief and a liar when it comes to reinterpreting things that seem to have a far greater original message set in them by God Himself,
 
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Given that God named the stars and included them in the things He would use for signs, there is at least the possibility that the stars have a message to tell, and that astrology is a later corruption to biblical astronomy.

Seiss and Bullinger in the 19th Century both wrote on the subject, and an overview of their findings can be explored below:-

http://www.setterfield.org/stargospel.html

If Psalm 19 is correct, then we should be able to find something about this in other cultures as well. Actually, one of the answers to this is one of the main tourist attractions in Egypt: the Sphinx.

The famous sphinx, the giant lion with a woman’s head, points exactly due east. It is so exact it cannot be an accident. The name ‘sphinx’ itself comes from the Greek ‘sphiggo,’ meaning ‘bind closely together. On tomb ceilings in Karnak the zodiac is depicted. This is also true at Dendera on the tomb ceilings there. In both places are pictures of the sphinx, placed at the end of the constellation Virgo and the beginning of Leo, with the head looking to Virgo and the tail in Leo.

sphinx

In addition, at the time the Sphinx was carved, about the time of the First Intermediate Period, the axis tilt of the earth and the precession of the equinoxes meant that at that time of the spring equinox, as the sun was rising, the sphinx was pointed directly at the division between Virgo and Leo.

This was evidently important. The tomb ceilings tell us to start at Virgo. Let’s do that and look at the names of the stars and constellations, going as far back as we can where the names are concerned. Let’s see what we find. Some associated star groups and constellations will be discussed along with each of the zodiac constellations.

VIRGO and Coma

It is necessary to keep in mind that the 'stick figures' which connect the stars and the classical drawings which add so much detail can be quite different, as the various cultures choose to add or subtract various parts. Some of the classical drawings will be shown below, but the 'stick figures' are what actually show how the stars in each group are connected.


number1





The alpha star is listed above as Spica (its Roman name). Hebrew name: Zerah. Meaning: ‘seed in Hebrew,’ ‘seed cluster’ in Latin.

The beta star (Beta Virginis, β ) is to the far right. Hebrew name: Zavijaveh or Zavijahveh which is a form of Tsebijahweh or Tsebiyahweh. Tsebi means “beautiful” or “desirable” and JHWH or YHWH is the tetragrammaton, the name of God to the Israelites. Therefore this star name means the “beautiful LORD.”

The gamma star (Gamma Virginis, γ ) is in the middle of the bottom of the constellation. The star Gamma has the name Porrima which was the Roman goddess of childbirth. It seems that this name has been substituted for an earlier name, and, indeed, some old star maps show this star (Gamma) as being called Al Tzemech instead of it being an alternative name for Alpha. In Hebrew, the word Tzemech means “Branch”

Another named star in Virgo is the Epsilon star (Epsilon Virginis ε ), the ‘topmost’ star in the figure above. Commonly called Vindemiatrix, it can be shown that this name originated with the poem “Phainomena” by Aratus and literally means “grape-gatherer”. R.H. Allen points out that in ancient times, before Aratus, it was called Al Muredin or Al Muridin, which in Arabic means “The One Sent Forth” or “The Sent One” In Chinese, this star was called Tsze Tseang “The Second General”

The Hebrew word ‘Zerah’ (the alpha star) is the word used to describe Messiah to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15 and to Abraham in Genesis 15:5. This latter reference is particularly interesting as Abraham had just been listing off the stars by name, and God said to him “So shall your Seed be”. Rabbi Paul, the Apostle, said in Galatians 3:16 that this “Seed” promised to Abraham was Messiah Himself. This was in line with the historic understanding of the meaning of the conversation between God and Abraham: the seed, “zerah” was a direct reference to the coming Messiah.

This understanding points to the fact that Messiah was to come as the “Seed of the Virgin.” This prophecy had both a general and specific application. In a general sense, the Virgin was a representation of Israel. We can see this in God’s comment through the prophet Isaiah to King Hezekiah of Israel about Sennacherib, King of Assyria, who had just been humiliated at Jerusalem. God said “The Virgin, the daughter of Zion, has despised you and laughed you to scorn.” The virgin daughter of Zion is the nation of Israel, from whom Messiah came. But prophecy concerning “zerah” is also specific. In Isaiah 7, the prophet tells Ahaz to ask a sign from God either from the depths (the ocean), or from the height above (the heavens or stars). Ahaz refuses, but Isaiah says God will give a sign and God chose the Heavens about which Isaiah said “The LORD Himself will give you a sign Behold THE Virgin will conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” Since the definite article is in the original Hebrew, a very specific virgin was in mind, so that Matthew 1:23 states that this Isaiah 7 passage refers uniquely to Messiah and his First Coming as an atonement for Mankind.

There is also a second application for Alpha star in Virgo. It comes from its alternative name “Azimech”, which is a contraction of Al Tzemech. Some old star maps give this name to the alpha star in Virgo, but others to the gamma star. In Hebrew, the word Tzemech means “Branch” in the same way that the Latin Virga means ‘Branch’. However, in Hebrew Bible, this word is used uniquely of Messiah in Isaiah 4:2, Jeremiah 23:5,6 & 33:15, Zechariah 3:8 & 6:12. Thus the indication is that the Branch (Messiah) is to come as the Seed of the Virgin.

Al Muridin is the epsilon star, which in Arabic means “The One Sent Forth” or “The Sent One.” This is what Messiah claimed to be numerous times in the Gospel of John. For example “I come not to do my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me” 5:30; 6:38 (see also 6:29, 57; 7:16, 18, 33; 8:26, 29, 42 etc.). In Chinese, this star was called Tsze Tseang, meaning “The Second General”, which may perhaps symbolize Messiah as the Second Person in the Trinity of the Godhead.

The beta star reinforces all of this in its name, Tsebiyahweh, the “beautiful LORD” (note the word ‘yahweh’ at the end of the name).

Thus, the part of the story indicated by the constellation Virgo is that Messiah, the Beautiful Branch of the LORD, the Second Person, the Sent One, was to come as the Seed of the Virgin from the nation of Israel. That is the beginning of the Gospel story.

In the sky, Virgo looks like this:

number2







Coma:



coma

This constellation is the first Decan of Virgo. A Decan is a lesser constellation that is associated with one of the Zodiac figures. To the ancients, the constellation Coma was connected with Virgo. Its original Hebrew name was Kamah or Comah meaning “the Desired, or Longed for.” The word is used in Psalm 63:1 where David said to God that “My soul longs for You.” The word is also associated with chemdah or “desire” which is used in Haggai 2:7 to speak of Messiah saying that “The Desire of all nations will come.” This interpretation is backed up by the Zodiac in the Egyptian Temple at Denderah where there is the figure of a woman and child representing Coma, but the Egyptian name for it was “Shes-nu” or “The Desired Son”. We can go further. Even Shakespeare knew of this signification for in Titus Andronicus Act iv Scene 3, he speaks of an arrow speeding heavenward to “the Good Boy in Virgo’s lap.”

The ancient Sumerian name for this constellation was HE.GAL- a-a. HE means "good," GAL means "great" and the a-a ending means "son."

The ancient Akkadian name for this constellation was kakkab nushi. Ka means "house;", nu means "king" or "lord;" and shi is "horn," "offspring" or "power."

Albumazar (or Abu Masher 787-885 AD) an Arabian astronomer to the Caliphs of Grenada about 850 AD said: “There arises in the first Decan [of Virgo], as the Persians, Chaldeans, and Egyptians … teach, a young woman, whose Persian name denotes a pure virgin sitting on a throne, nourishing an infant boy (the boy, I say) having a Hebrew name, by some nations called IHESU, with the signification IEZA, which in Greek is called CHRISTOS.” A Latin translation of Albumazer’s writings is in the Library of the British Museum. Thus there can be no doubt about Albumazer’s understanding of the star story. This is all the more interesting since he was a Muslim.

Nevertheless, this is NOT what is found on modern maps. Instead of Comah or Chemdah we now have Coma Berenices, or, literally, Berenice’s Hair! Berenice II was the battle-seasoned wife of Ptolemy III (Euergetes), king of Egypt in the 3rd Century BC. Ptolemy Euergetes embarked on the 3rd Syrian (or Laodicean) War, and left Berenice as head of government while he was away. She vowed to consecrate her magnificent hair to Aphrodite if he returned safely. Ptolemy III campaigned into Babylonia for five years until 241 BC and did return safely. His wife’s hair was duly hung in the Temple of Aphrodite. However, shortly after, the hair was stolen, and Conon, the court astronomer in Alexandria (283-222 BC) comforted Berenice by indicating that Jupiter had taken it and made it the constellation Coma Berenices! It may be that the deception was deliberate in this case. Conon knew very well that the constellation’s name was comah (desired) which was very similar to the Greek word “Có-me” or Latin “Coma” both of which mean “hair”. One may be excused for thinking that Conon was, at the very least, covering for the theft. Callimachus, who was the Historian of the Alexandrian Library at the time, made sure that this event was recorded that way on their star maps. So it is through these actions that we have a corrupted name today.

I mentioned this to @TokiEl on another thread but it does appear that Satan is a thief and a liar when it comes to reinterpreting things that seem to have a far greater original message set in them by God Himself,
Yes most certainly God named and created the stars and the sun and the moon and the heavens.. but I'm sure you understand what I mean when I'm talking about astrology, which comes from divination, and bowing down to them as God's. (It's also referenced in the fall of spiritual Babylon in Isaiah) Yeah.. it's definitely a satanic counterfeit. It sounds more like @TokiEl is following Zeitgeist, and the occultic books that were used as a reference for that false documentary.. and the new age.. and less likely the Bible.
 

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It's not just an encasing as the flesh aka your body might if all goes well be glorified by God.
But you believe the wages of sin is death. How could the death of a body be a punishment for your sin if it's a natural conclusion to this life?

Also, jesus didn't say that at all, so don't you take Jesus's word over everything else in the bible?
 

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The Bible doesn't say that sin will cease.
Isaiah 25:7-8
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.


If death is the culmination of sin, or that the wages of sin is death, and if death is going to be destroyed then it stands to reason that sinning will cease. If sin doesn't cease, then what will be its wage if not death?
 

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Isaiah 25:7-8
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.


If death is the culmination of sin, or that the wages of sin is death, and if death is going to be destroyed then it stands to reason that sinning will cease. If sin doesn't cease, then what will be its wage if not death?
This is a constant cycle since the Bible was written. God sends a prophet to tell people to repent.. they don't.. and death continues. Even how many times in history have people been offered this in the past or read it.. but they don't listen and like false prophets instead. I swear, it's happening again.
 

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Isaiah 25:7-8
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.


If death is the culmination of sin, or that the wages of sin is death, and if death is going to be destroyed then it stands to reason that sinning will cease. If sin doesn't cease, then what will be its wage if not death?
Yeah! Someone who get's it. I've been trying to get Christians to see this connection between death and sin for a long time. Most don't seem to get it, or don't want to get it, as it contradicts to much of their doctrine and dogma.
 

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Isaiah 25:7-8
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.


If death is the culmination of sin, or that the wages of sin is death, and if death is going to be destroyed then it stands to reason that sinning will cease. If sin doesn't cease, then what will be its wage if not death?
The true wages of sin has always been the second death -- spiritual death and eternal separation from God.

Jesus Christ was victorious over the first death -- physical death, which is a part of the curse that is on the earth, and by believing that, we are saved from the second death.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Who is he that overcometh? He that is born of God.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

On the new earth, the curse has been lifted, so there is no physical death.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

But the second death, which is an eternity in the lake of fire, is still in play.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If there are murderers and whoremongers, etc., on the new earth, how can you say that sin has ceased?
 

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I see. Sin, in and of itself means destruction. To sin is to destroy. You cannot sin without harming someone or something; whether that be God, yourself or another human being. That said, if sin will not cease in the age to come, it stands to reason that all the destruction we’ve come to know, that has defined this existence, this side of heaven, will meet us again in heaven and in the new Earth.
Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
If there are murderers and whoremongers, etc., on the new earth, how can you say that sin has ceased?
You forgot the last part of the verse

If I set your home aflame and there were no rescue efforts, you’d obviously burn to death. So how can the whoremongers and sorcerers survive the fiery lake of burning Sulphur, let alone inhaling poisonous sulphuric gasses?
 

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I see. Sin, in and of itself means destruction. To sin is to destroy.
The Bible doesn't say that. Sin is missing the mark -- falling short of the glory of God.

You cannot sin without harming someone or something; whether that be God, yourself or another human being. That said, if sin will not cease in the age to come, it stands to reason that all the destruction we’ve come to know, that has defined this existence, this side of heaven, will meet us again in heaven and in the new Earth.
Jesus Christ will be on the throne. There will be no sin in the new Jerusalem. What goes on outside the gates is up for debate, but I doubt it will be anything like the rampant lawlessness we see on earth now. Believers will be ruling and enforcing God's laws.

You forgot the last part of the verse
No, my entire post was about the second death.

If I set your home aflame and there were no rescue efforts, you’d obviously burn to death. So how can the whoremongers and sorcerers survive the fiery lake of burning Sulphur, let alone inhaling poisonous sulphuric gasses?
How would I burn to death if physical death doesn't exist?
 

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But you believe the wages of sin is death. How could the death of a body be a punishment for your sin if it's a natural conclusion to this life?
The wages of sin is death of the soul.

Also, jesus didn't say that at all, so don't you take Jesus's word over everything else in the bible?
Where is the profit in winning the whole world but loose the soul ?


Without the soul you're truly nothing man.
 

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Given that God named the stars and included them in the things He would use for signs, there is at least the possibility that the stars have a message to tell, and that astrology is a later corruption to biblical astronomy.

Seiss and Bullinger in the 19th Century both wrote on the subject, and an overview of their findings can be explored below:-

http://www.setterfield.org/stargospel.html


If Psalm 19 is correct, then we should be able to find something about this in other cultures as well. Actually, one of the answers to this is one of the main tourist attractions in Egypt: the Sphinx.

The famous sphinx, the giant lion with a woman’s head, points exactly due east. It is so exact it cannot be an accident. The name ‘sphinx’ itself comes from the Greek ‘sphiggo,’ meaning ‘bind closely together. On tomb ceilings in Karnak the zodiac is depicted. This is also true at Dendera on the tomb ceilings there. In both places are pictures of the sphinx, placed at the end of the constellation Virgo and the beginning of Leo, with the head looking to Virgo and the tail in Leo.

sphinx

In addition, at the time the Sphinx was carved, about the time of the First Intermediate Period, the axis tilt of the earth and the precession of the equinoxes meant that at that time of the spring equinox, as the sun was rising, the sphinx was pointed directly at the division between Virgo and Leo.

This was evidently important. The tomb ceilings tell us to start at Virgo. Let’s do that and look at the names of the stars and constellations, going as far back as we can where the names are concerned. Let’s see what we find. Some associated star groups and constellations will be discussed along with each of the zodiac constellations.

VIRGO and Coma

It is necessary to keep in mind that the 'stick figures' which connect the stars and the classical drawings which add so much detail can be quite different, as the various cultures choose to add or subtract various parts. Some of the classical drawings will be shown below, but the 'stick figures' are what actually show how the stars in each group are connected.


number1





The alpha star is listed above as Spica (its Roman name). Hebrew name: Zerah. Meaning: ‘seed in Hebrew,’ ‘seed cluster’ in Latin.

The beta star (Beta Virginis, β ) is to the far right. Hebrew name: Zavijaveh or Zavijahveh which is a form of Tsebijahweh or Tsebiyahweh. Tsebi means “beautiful” or “desirable” and JHWH or YHWH is the tetragrammaton, the name of God to the Israelites. Therefore this star name means the “beautiful LORD.”

The gamma star (Gamma Virginis, γ ) is in the middle of the bottom of the constellation. The star Gamma has the name Porrima which was the Roman goddess of childbirth. It seems that this name has been substituted for an earlier name, and, indeed, some old star maps show this star (Gamma) as being called Al Tzemech instead of it being an alternative name for Alpha. In Hebrew, the word Tzemech means “Branch”

Another named star in Virgo is the Epsilon star (Epsilon Virginis ε ), the ‘topmost’ star in the figure above. Commonly called Vindemiatrix, it can be shown that this name originated with the poem “Phainomena” by Aratus and literally means “grape-gatherer”. R.H. Allen points out that in ancient times, before Aratus, it was called Al Muredin or Al Muridin, which in Arabic means “The One Sent Forth” or “The Sent One” In Chinese, this star was called Tsze Tseang “The Second General”

The Hebrew word ‘Zerah’ (the alpha star) is the word used to describe Messiah to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15 and to Abraham in Genesis 15:5. This latter reference is particularly interesting as Abraham had just been listing off the stars by name, and God said to him “So shall your Seed be”. Rabbi Paul, the Apostle, said in Galatians 3:16 that this “Seed” promised to Abraham was Messiah Himself. This was in line with the historic understanding of the meaning of the conversation between God and Abraham: the seed, “zerah” was a direct reference to the coming Messiah.

This understanding points to the fact that Messiah was to come as the “Seed of the Virgin.” This prophecy had both a general and specific application. In a general sense, the Virgin was a representation of Israel. We can see this in God’s comment through the prophet Isaiah to King Hezekiah of Israel about Sennacherib, King of Assyria, who had just been humiliated at Jerusalem. God said “The Virgin, the daughter of Zion, has despised you and laughed you to scorn.” The virgin daughter of Zion is the nation of Israel, from whom Messiah came. But prophecy concerning “zerah” is also specific. In Isaiah 7, the prophet tells Ahaz to ask a sign from God either from the depths (the ocean), or from the height above (the heavens or stars). Ahaz refuses, but Isaiah says God will give a sign and God chose the Heavens about which Isaiah said “The LORD Himself will give you a sign Behold THE Virgin will conceive and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel.” Since the definite article is in the original Hebrew, a very specific virgin was in mind, so that Matthew 1:23 states that this Isaiah 7 passage refers uniquely to Messiah and his First Coming as an atonement for Mankind.

There is also a second application for Alpha star in Virgo. It comes from its alternative name “Azimech”, which is a contraction of Al Tzemech. Some old star maps give this name to the alpha star in Virgo, but others to the gamma star. In Hebrew, the word Tzemech means “Branch” in the same way that the Latin Virga means ‘Branch’. However, in Hebrew Bible, this word is used uniquely of Messiah in Isaiah 4:2, Jeremiah 23:5,6 & 33:15, Zechariah 3:8 & 6:12. Thus the indication is that the Branch (Messiah) is to come as the Seed of the Virgin.

Al Muridin is the epsilon star, which in Arabic means “The One Sent Forth” or “The Sent One.” This is what Messiah claimed to be numerous times in the Gospel of John. For example “I come not to do my own will, but the will of the Father who sent me” 5:30; 6:38 (see also 6:29, 57; 7:16, 18, 33; 8:26, 29, 42 etc.). In Chinese, this star was called Tsze Tseang, meaning “The Second General”, which may perhaps symbolize Messiah as the Second Person in the Trinity of the Godhead.

The beta star reinforces all of this in its name, Tsebiyahweh, the “beautiful LORD” (note the word ‘yahweh’ at the end of the name).

Thus, the part of the story indicated by the constellation Virgo is that Messiah, the Beautiful Branch of the LORD, the Second Person, the Sent One, was to come as the Seed of the Virgin from the nation of Israel. That is the beginning of the Gospel story.

In the sky, Virgo looks like this:

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Coma:



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This constellation is the first Decan of Virgo. A Decan is a lesser constellation that is associated with one of the Zodiac figures. To the ancients, the constellation Coma was connected with Virgo. Its original Hebrew name was Kamah or Comah meaning “the Desired, or Longed for.” The word is used in Psalm 63:1 where David said to God that “My soul longs for You.” The word is also associated with chemdah or “desire” which is used in Haggai 2:7 to speak of Messiah saying that “The Desire of all nations will come.” This interpretation is backed up by the Zodiac in the Egyptian Temple at Denderah where there is the figure of a woman and child representing Coma, but the Egyptian name for it was “Shes-nu” or “The Desired Son”. We can go further. Even Shakespeare knew of this signification for in Titus Andronicus Act iv Scene 3, he speaks of an arrow speeding heavenward to “the Good Boy in Virgo’s lap.”

The ancient Sumerian name for this constellation was HE.GAL- a-a. HE means "good," GAL means "great" and the a-a ending means "son."

The ancient Akkadian name for this constellation was kakkab nushi. Ka means "house;", nu means "king" or "lord;" and shi is "horn," "offspring" or "power."

Albumazar (or Abu Masher 787-885 AD) an Arabian astronomer to the Caliphs of Grenada about 850 AD said: “There arises in the first Decan [of Virgo], as the Persians, Chaldeans, and Egyptians … teach, a young woman, whose Persian name denotes a pure virgin sitting on a throne, nourishing an infant boy (the boy, I say) having a Hebrew name, by some nations called IHESU, with the signification IEZA, which in Greek is called CHRISTOS.” A Latin translation of Albumazer’s writings is in the Library of the British Museum. Thus there can be no doubt about Albumazer’s understanding of the star story. This is all the more interesting since he was a Muslim.

Nevertheless, this is NOT what is found on modern maps. Instead of Comah or Chemdah we now have Coma Berenices, or, literally, Berenice’s Hair! Berenice II was the battle-seasoned wife of Ptolemy III (Euergetes), king of Egypt in the 3rd Century BC. Ptolemy Euergetes embarked on the 3rd Syrian (or Laodicean) War, and left Berenice as head of government while he was away. She vowed to consecrate her magnificent hair to Aphrodite if he returned safely. Ptolemy III campaigned into Babylonia for five years until 241 BC and did return safely. His wife’s hair was duly hung in the Temple of Aphrodite. However, shortly after, the hair was stolen, and Conon, the court astronomer in Alexandria (283-222 BC) comforted Berenice by indicating that Jupiter had taken it and made it the constellation Coma Berenices! It may be that the deception was deliberate in this case. Conon knew very well that the constellation’s name was comah (desired) which was very similar to the Greek word “Có-me” or Latin “Coma” both of which mean “hair”. One may be excused for thinking that Conon was, at the very least, covering for the theft. Callimachus, who was the Historian of the Alexandrian Library at the time, made sure that this event was recorded that way on their star maps. So it is through these actions that we have a corrupted name today.

I mentioned this to @TokiEl on another thread but it does appear that Satan is a thief and a liar when it comes to reinterpreting things that seem to have a far greater original message set in them by God Himself,
The pyramids and the sphinx are mentioned in the Bible... in Exodus 14 as migdol and baalzephon.


https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4024&t=NKJV

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1189&t=NKJV
 

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I see. Sin, in and of itself means destruction. To sin is to destroy. You cannot sin without harming someone or something; whether that be God, yourself or another human being. That said, if sin will not cease in the age to come, it stands to reason that all the destruction we’ve come to know, that has defined this existence, this side of heaven, will meet us again in heaven and in the new Earth.


You forgot the last part of the verse

If I set your home aflame and there were no rescue efforts, you’d obviously burn to death. So how can the whoremongers and sorcerers survive the fiery lake of burning Sulphur, let alone inhaling poisonous sulphuric gasses?
Sin will still be around in the Millennium because people will again rise up against God.
Revelation‬ ‭20:7-9‬ ‭
When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.​
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Then there is the white throne judgement and God will judge people and throw the people who aren’t in the book of life into the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

What always gets me is this verse about the new Jerusalem..
Revelation‬ ‭21:24‬ ‭
The nations will walk by its light and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.​
Just when I thought the new heavens and new earth means a new way...there isn’t a new way? Or there’s a partial new way? Things will be quite different with no seas and God is the light of the world for real...but there are things that stay the same...kings and nations?

Yet...I think the real question is not what happens in that time period..but how are ya gonna get there?
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Well, we've already been in it for over 2,000 years already:

Srimad Bhagavatam - Canto 12, Chapter 2: Despair and Hope in the Age of Quarrel
(1) S'rî S'uka said: 'And then, oh King, under the strong influence of the time [of Kali-yuga] religiousness, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance and mercy as also duration of life, physical strength and memory will diminish day after day [see also 1.16]. (2) Among the people of the age of Kali all one attains by good birth, behavior and qualities will be wealth while material power will be the only factor determining what is just and reasonable. (3) Relations between men and women will be based upon sensual pleasure, business will be ruled by deceit, masculinity and femininity are there for sexual attraction and a sacred thread will suffice to be considered learned. (4) External marks only determine someone's spiritual status and constitute the basis for mutual exchanges, because of a lack of funds one is less credible and scholarship consists of word jugglery. (5) Poverty simply means a lack of virtue and hypocrisy and deceit are the standard of virtue; verbal agreement is enough to be married and a bath suffices to start the day. (6) A holy place is a reservoir of water somewhere far away, beauty depends on one's hair style, life's purpose is to fill one's belly, someone audacious is considered truthful, when one can maintain a family one is an expert and one observes religious principles for the sake of one's reputation. (7) With the earth being crowded with a populace thus corrupted, anyone who is the strongest among the intellectuals, the rulers, the merchants and the working class, will be called the king. (8) The citizens whose wives and property are stolen by a merciless and avaricious ruling class that behaves like ordinary thieves, will flee to the mountains and the forests. (9) Suffering draughts, famine and taxation they will be ruined and resort to the consumption of leaves, roots, meat, honey, fruits, flowers and seeds [see also 1.16: 20, 4.20: 14, 4.21: 24, B.G. 3: 14]. (10) Plagued by cold, wind, heat, rain and snow as also by quarrels, hunger, thirst and diseases, they suffer a great deal of distress and anxiety. (11) The maximum duration of life for human beings in Kali-yuga will be fifty years. (12-16) When the bodies of all living entities are in decay from the contamination of Kali-yuga, when the dutifulness of the members of all status-orientations is lost, when the Vedic path for all man has changed into a predominantly atheistic sense of duty, when the kings mainly consist of thieves and the people in their various occupations are lying criminals of useless violence [against specially animals], when the societal classes as good as all are engaged in profit-minded labor, cows have the same value as goats, the hermitages hardly can be distinguished from materialistic households, family bonds do not reach beyond the ties of marriage, when the plants and herbs are mostly small sized and all trees are like s'amî trees, when there is always lightning in the clouds and the homes are ruled by loneliness [voidism, impersonalism, see Pranâti], when Kali-yuga is running at its end and the people behave like asses, the Supreme Lord will descend in the mode of pure goodness to defend the dharma.


(17) The spiritual master of all the moving and nonmoving living beings, Lord Vishnu, the Supreme Personality and Controller of All, takes birth for the protection of the religion and to put an end to the karma of the saintly souls. (18) In the village of S'ambhala Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the great soul, the eminent brahmin Vishnuyas'â ['the glory of Vishnu']. (19-20) Mounting His swift horse Devadatta, the Lord of the Universe endowed with His sword, transcendental qualities and eight mystic opulences [siddhis], will subdue the reprobates. With speed traveling the earth on His horse He, unrivaled in His splendor, will slaughter the thieves dressing as kings by the millions. (21) When all the robbers have been killed, the minds of all the residents of the towns and cities will clear up who came in touch with the breeze carrying the most sacred fragrance of the [with sandalwood paste] decorated body of Lord Vâsudeva. (22) When Vâsudeva, the Supreme Lord, is situated in their hearts in the transcendental form of His goodness, the production of offspring will be abundant. (23) After the Supreme Lord Kalki, the Lord and Master of Dharma, has incarnated, Satya-yuga will begin and progeny will be created in the mode of goodness [see yuga]. (24) The moment the sun and the moon together with Jupiter [Bhrihaspatî] in the same constellation [of Karkatha or Cancer] enter the lunar mansion of Tishyâ [or Pushyâ, 3° 20´ to 16° 40´ see zodiac], Satya-yuga [Krita] will begin.
(25) I briefly described all the past, present and future kings belonging to the solar and lunar dynasties [see also vams'a]. (26) Beginning from the birth of your good self up to the coronation of king Nanda [see 12.1: 12] eleven hundred and fifty years will pass [*]. (27-28) On the [northwest] line between the two stars [Pulaha and Kratu] one first sees rising in the constellation of the seven sages [Ursa Major, the Great Bear], one in the nightly sky sees their [ruling] lunar mansion. The sages [the stars] in that lunar mansion remain connected with it for a hundred human years. Now, in your time, they are situated in the nakshatra called Maghâ. (29) When Vishnu the Supreme Lord, the sun known as Krishna, returned to heaven, this world entered the age of Kali in which people delight in sin. (30) For as long as He, the Husband of Ramâ, touched the earth with His lotus feet, Kali could not prevail on earth. (31) Kali-yuga begins when the [constellation of the] seven divine sages enter Maghâ. That period covers twelve hundred [godly] years [or 432.000 human years, see also kâla]. (32)When the seven sages pass from Maghâ to the lunar mansion of Pûrvâsâdhâ, this age of Kali will attain its full strength beginning with the time of king [Mahâpadma] Nanda and his descendants. (33) The historians say that the age of Kali began the very day that S'rî Krishna departed for the spiritual world. (34) At the end of the thousand celestial years of the fourth [Kali] age, Satya-yuga will start again, the time when the minds of men will be self-enlightened.
(35) Thus this dynasty from [Vaivasvata] Manu has been enumerated as it is known on earth. The positions of the scholars, the traders and the workers in each age can therewith also be understood. (36) Of these personalities, these great souls, one only remembers their names; all that remains of their glory on this earth are their stories. (37) Devâpi, the brother of S'ântanu [9.22: 12-17] and Maru [9.12: 5-6] who took birth in the Ikshvâku dynasty, are endowed with great mystical power and both live [even now] in Kalâpa. (38) At the end of the age of Kali they will return to human society and promulgate the varnâs'rama-dharma as it was before, deriving from the instructions they received from Vâsudeva [Krishna]. (39) The four ages of Krita [Satya], Tretâ, Dvâpara and Kali that the living beings undergo in this world, will repeat themselves continuously following this sequential order [see also mahâyuga]. (40) Oh King, these kings, these gods among man and the others I described, who arriving on this earth exert their possessiveness, in the end all have to forsake this world and face their demise. (41) Even if someone's body carries the name of king it is nevertheless destined to be known as stool, worms or ashes. For the sake of that body he was an enemy of other living beings and therefore ends up in hell. What does such a one know about his self-interest [compare 6.18: 25, 7.15: 37, 10.10: 10, 10.51: 50]? (42) [A king may think:] 'How can this same undivided earth as controlled by the personalities of my predecessors and now under my control, stay in the hands of my son, grandson and other descendant?' (43) When one accepts this body that is composed of earth, water and fire, with a notion of 'I' and when one says 'mine' to this earth, one lacks in intelligence, for in the end reaching one's own absence one has to forsake both this body and this earth [see also 4.9: 34-35]. (44) Oh King, of whatever that kings may enjoy in the world with all their power, is by Time nothing more preserved than some accounts and histories [compare with 2.9: 33, 5.19: 28, 11.19: 16, 11.28: 21].'
 
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