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first member to leave BTS (not military or health related)

  • Taehyung

  • Yoongi

  • Jin

  • Hoseok

  • Jimin

  • Namjoon

  • Jungkook


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Thank you for your words! I am happy to hear that some people understand the problematic.

As to what you just wrote - I’ve elaborated in detail my opinion about why each of them would have difficulties leaving the band in the other thread.
At some point I’m gonna copy paste some of the analysis in here.
I second what you said.

Jimin is having severe psychological issues on different levels -
On multiple occasions he genuinely expressed (it didn’t feel like scripted to me), how he wishes to be able to live with the members and Army together until the end of his life, he is helpless alone, in a way where he cannot do anything except drinking, he cannot sleep alone (he’s 26), so he still needs someone to sleep with him, he’s hyper gay and emotionally unstable, he will not survive alone.

He is a good dancer and one that could have become a great dancer and tutor which he ignored just to gay around dudes.



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Namjoon (self proclaimed atheist) will remain Bang’s right hand and his loyalty towards Bang is something that will be used by Bang in a productive way for both.



Hoseok looks gay and weird, but I believe he’ll be fine even without BTS.

Unfortunately hoseok is also one of those cases - he has an amazing tone in his voice, i like his rapping and he can dance. If he would have gotten out of Bang’s circle, I could have imagined him having a decent solo career.



Jin - nah, no words for him. He’s already fine without BTS, has several side-business and I think he somehow had enough of toying around with the others.
Dude was having a box of condoms in his room years ago. You don’t have a BOX of condoms in your room, If you don’t use them.
I don’t see him enjoying the “brotherly” love for a long time in the future.


Yoongi will still try to achieve his rapper career but without Bang that’s not possible. Without Bang - no other label would touch him and it’s a horrible feeling and notion to know the label owns your music/lyrics. He might be ok for now because BTS is still out here, but if the day comes, he will be sitting out there alone with everything that he ever written being the property of someone else.



JK is incapable of thinking for himself, can’t go out without ending up in some disaster, he doesn’t even know life outside a abnormal living situation with 6 other dudes, I don’t see him in a good light without BTS mainly because he doesn’t know anything else but doing what he’s been told.
TH - too much to write.


None of them would leave the band on their own.
TH broke down into tears ON STAGE like a girl, just at the idea that they considered disbanding, even though at the time he cried, they already decided to keep on going.
It seems that Jin is the happiest in this case. He might not leave on his own, but if he ever goes to military (still not sure about that), I don’t see him fully coming back as part of BTS. maybe for a tour/cd or two.

He’s almost 30.
Not only are they afraid to leave the band but even if they do - who is there to trust ? Everyone would jump on “him”, whoever the member is in this fictive scenario, their own parents and lawyers are using them, where to go? Who to ask for advice? Lawyering? Managing?

They can’t trust anyone.

Bang is letting them run around free in airports, risking their life, just to get some points on Melon chart.

Please....

at the same time, they don’t want to leave because why leaving when you can sit, do nothing, earn money and your happiest moment is when you enjoy the fantasy of teenage girls over you. Without taking into consideration that you’re 25 and those girls, most of them 15.
I considered Yoongi, next to Namjoon to be the smartest one.

Well, you can’t be that smart when you stay in a band, even though the music that you are doing is not what you signed up for, are taking strong meds in your early 20 to numb you up for a useless fan meeting, on multiple occasions you went away because you hated being in the band, yet you choose to pump yourself with drugs to still be in the band??
Namjoon is the smartest one. Period.

He took over, decided who’s in the band (by the way- what kind of a manager and ceo is Bang, when he let a 15 y old making decisions over who gets in the band), he doesn’t seem to have any mental issues, nor to abusively drink, smoke, he knows exactly what he wants, what he can do and is concentrated on that.

He reads, has various skills, knows the importance of educating yourself.

despite having it done millions of times, as oppose to everyone else who sits there bored, Namjoon still manages to act respectfully and attentive in every interview while doing most of the talking.

Every interview with him is like it’s the first time doing it.

I respect that.

While everyone else just sits there.

I hope that God, or whatever one’s God is, Allah, many religions are using different names, I hope for the sake of those that are being manipulated through BTS, for someone in the band to be somehow saved by the divine power in a way of a epiphany, to simply leave the band and expose everyone.
Now I'm crying those snowflakes chased you away from the thread. Your posts are one of the best.
 

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Good article from financial times.
Good to know that SK desperately tries to be part of the G7.

Why growing outcry over harassment threatens South Korea’s cultural push
A string of abuse scandals could overshadow the industry as K-pop woos investors with a big IPO

September 13, 2020 4:00 am by Edward White in Wellington and Song Jung-a and Kang Buseong in Seoul

In the mid-1980s, Lee Soo-man, a folk singer studying computer engineering in California, decided to return to his native South Korea. Inspired by what he had seen on MTV — the 24-hour-a-day television network playing music videos — he formed SM Entertainment and set about replicating the success of the highly-trained all-singing, all-dancing groups like The Jackson 5 and, later, New Kids on the Block.

Three decades later and the near-$4bn initial public offering of Seoul music agency Big Hit Entertainment expected in October marks a new high point in the history of Korea’s brand of popular music spearheaded by Mr Lee — K-pop.

BTS — a seven-member boy band formed 10 years ago by Big Hit founder Bang Si-hyuk — has propelled K-pop to the top of US music charts. The group’s global reach, coupled with the triumph of dark comedy Parasite at this year’s Oscars, has, in the eyes of many South Koreans, demonstrated the global appeal of the country’s cultural offerings.

“It is truly amazing. It is a splendid feat that further raises pride in K-pop,” said Moon Jae-in, South Korea’s president, on September 1 after “Dynamite”, by BTS, became the first Korean song to top the Billboard Hot 100.

Underpinned by the star power of the world’s hottest boy band, the Big Hit IPO is Korea’s biggest share listing in three years. But it is the metrics revealed by the deal, in particular the value and growth potential that bankers see in BTS, which have stunned investors, and is shifting the discussion around K-pop from a cultural curiosity to a serious investment proposition.

The pricing implies that shares will start trading at 76 times Big Hit’s projected earnings for 2020; the valuation indicator is five times that of Samsung Electronics, Korea’s most important company and the world’s biggest producer of smartphonesand computer chips. The prospective market capitalisation of $3.9bn also makes Big Hit more valuable than the country’s three largest listed music agencies combined.

Lee Jin-man, an analyst at Seoul brokerage SK Securities, says that alongside companies developing electric car battery technology and new pharmaceutical treatments, entertainment groups like Big Hit are fast becoming “the new drivers” of South Korea’s stock market.

Yet the unprecedented international fervour for Korean culture comes at a time of upheaval in Korean society. A new generation of women are putting the spotlight on the nation’s dark underbelly: a patriarchal society plagued by misogyny that critics say is endemic to the high-pressure Korean entertainment industry.

Whereas the booming entertainment industry has so far been mostly successful in developing its wholesome, often cutesy, image, this is in stark contrast to the reality for many Korean women. Over the past two years this unpalatable side of Korean society has dominated headlines via a string of high-profile #MeToo cases, involving both K-pop stars and senior politicians, as well as a spate of sexual violence against young women and girls.

Line chart of Share prices and index, rebased showing K-pop's leading agencies recover after rocky patches 's leading agencies recover after rocky patches

The dichotomy raises questions for not just hundreds of entertainment companies and hordes of foreign investors, but also the tens of millions of fans all focusing their attention on Korea: will the country’s moment in the sun be overshadowed, or even derailed, by the abusive practices towards women across Korean society?

“K-pop has so far built a positive image internationally but this image conflicts with the reality of the industry and Korean society,” says a US hedge fund manager with investments in the country, who asked not to be named. “Behind the scenes, sexual assault is not uncommon . . . there is concern over the wrongdoing that continues in the industry.”

A new ‘cultural superpower’
As the final curtain drew on the BTS world tour last October, singer Kim Nam-joon — known as RM — sobbed on stage at Seoul’s Olympic stadium as he told BTS fans — a group dubbed Army — that he “loved” them. Fans’ reciprocal devotion lies at the heart of the success of Korea’s cultural explosion. Their commitment to their “idols” is more akin to football fanatics than the typical following of a leading film star or pop group. When BTS released “Dynamite” on YouTube in August, it was viewed more than 100m times within 24 hours, a new record for the website.

Experts diverge when attempting to explain the popularity. Some point to organic growth based on a visceral connection between the artists and their audience. “BTS’s authenticity permeates every part of their music and life, providing an extreme sense of unity and comradeship to their fans,” writes author and critic Kim Young-dae in his book analysing the group’s first 16 albums. “This is a revolutionary shift in pop music that normally regards fans as external entities.”


Lee Soo-man, the founder of SM Entertainment, is credited with pioneering K-pop © Rich Polk/Capitol Music/Getty

Others see a formulaic, even nefarious, system at play with the entertainment groups pumping out an endless stream of vapid content, all carefully manufactured to keep impressionable fans, in particular teenage girls, hooked. Hyun-joo Mo, a Seoul-based researcher in Korean youth culture with the University of North Carolina, argues that being part of the communities that form around a particular group or star has become a toxic addiction for millions of young people trying to escape voids and challenges, including gender inequalities, in their own lives.

“They want to find an alternative reality,” she says. “For them, that is fandom . . . it is a desperate dependence.”


Yet the business model pioneered by SM’s Mr Lee has proved successful. “He merged trendy dance music from the US and the idol training system that Japan had been developing for a decade to create a hybrid genre called K-pop idols,” Mr Kim writes. Scores of agencies built the K-pop industry centred around this trainee system.

Today, in hundreds of basement studios across Seoul, children and teenagers train for up to six hours after school, sharpening their dance and singing skills. The gruelling regime typically lasts four or five years before the lucky few fledgling stars are selected into groups and marketed to the public. The Korea Entertainment Producers Association counts more than 370 music agencies as members. Between them they boast about 3,000 K-pop artists. “They are not targeting any specific country or region; they are trying to go global,” says Kim Myung-soo, KEPA director.


BTS’s success in the US charts has been praised by Moon Jae-in, South Korea’s president, as ‘a splendid feat’ © Scott Roth/Invision/AP
Still, before the arrival of BTS and Parasite on to stages and screens most mainstream western audiences had only fleeting exposure to hallyu, the “Korean wave” of cultural exports. In 2012, Psy’s “Gangnam Style”, a madcap electronic music parody about a flashy area of Seoul, became an unlikely global hit. Cinema aficionados might have encountered Korean films such as Chihwaseon or Oldboy, which won critical acclaim in the early 2000s.

Closer to home, though, Korean music, film and television dramas have been steadily building popularity across Japan, China, Hong Kong and Taiwan, as well as south-east Asia. The value of the “cultural exports” grew roughly fourfold to $10.4bn in 2019, from $2.6bn 10 years earlier. The figure equates to one month’s worth of computer chips exports, Korea’s most important product. Sales of Korean-made consumer goods like cosmetics and confectionery, as well as Samsung’s smartphones and Hyundai’s cars, benefit from the marketing power offered by groups like BTS and Blackpink — the most popular girl band with more YouTube subscribers than UK singer-songwriter Ed Sheeran.

For a country with few natural resources, hallyu’s economic contribution is significant. Sung Mi-kyung, a researcher at the culture ministry, says Korea’s new status as a “cultural superpower” has boosted its brand value overseas immensely. “It is hard to ignore the power of cultural popularity on the global stage,” she says.

Column chart of $bn* showing The soaring value of South Korea's cultural exports's cultural exports


‘Shiny outside, rotten inside’
South Korea, which is pushing for entry into an expanded G7 of leading nations, ranks 108 out of 153 countries in the World Economic Forum’s latest global gender gap report. In a country obsessed with global comparisons and foreigners’ perceptions, poor gender equality has for years been an embarrassment. But now there are signs that the combination of intense scrutiny inherent in K-pop fan obsession and the country’s deeply held sexism threatens both the entertainers and their management companies — whose profits are often pegged to a single popular act.

A spate of crimes and allegations connected to entertainment groups last year sparked a backlash against the industry among many women. At the height of the public outrage, share prices across the three biggest listed groups shed more than one-third of their value. But the cases also tore down the veneer of wholesomeness. Two celebrities, one with links to YG Entertainment, were jailed for r*pe. Two K-pop stars in their twenties took their own lives after vicious online attacks, intensifying the criticism.

“The scandals sparked a lot of external criticism that the industry is shiny on the outside but rotten inside; the industry is now trying to clean up,” says Ms Sung, the researcher.


South Korean rapper Psy’s ‘Gangnam Style’ became an unlikely global hit in 2012 © Kin CheungAP
Despite their growing global footprint the major entertainment groups — including JYP, SM, YG, Big Hit and CJ Entertainment, the film production and distribution giant behind Parasite — all declined to be interviewed for this story.

But a nod to the risk is found in Big Hit’s Korean-language regulatory disclosures filed for the IPO: “There are no artists in our company and subsidiaries who are involved in serious events that could hurt our image, for example, drug use, gambling, sex crimes, tax evasion, and discord with [band] members. Nevertheless we cannot completely rule out the possibility that individual artists’ deviation in the future could hurt our reputation.”

Ms Mo, the expert in Korean youth culture, adds that while Korean stars “may not all be fake — some of them may be very good, new men”, many appear to be “like Jekyll and Hyde” in their public and private personas.

Some investors contend that depictions of the Korean entertainment sector as seedy and sexist are exaggerated. They also play down the likelihood of industry-wide fallout stemming from problems linked to misogyny, suggesting also that the exposure of #MeToo cases in Korea reflects progress in women’s rights.


South Korean demonstrators hold a rally to mark International Women’s Day in 2018 © Jung Yeon-je/AFP

When Goldman Sachs initiated coverage of JYP last year, the bank’s analysts noted the would-be stars’ years of training included a systematic approach to “mitigate any potential ‘human risk’” via “personality coaching” and regular psychiatric consultations. “The company has always placed an emphasis on ‘moral and ethics’ above all else, and the founder JY Park has taught all his artists that the most important characteristics to becoming a star are ‘honesty, integrity and humbleness’,” the bank’s analysts noted.

Chan Lee, managing partner at Petra Capital Management, a Seoul fund with K-pop investments, gave a more candid view: though certainly “not condoning” the behaviour, such scandals were “part of entertainment”. “While it could have short-term effects on certain bands, certain people, overall it is not going to be that meaningful,” Mr Lee says. “Look at the US, Harvey Weinstein — Hollywood still goes on.”

Cultural reckoning ahead?
In mid-2019 two female Korean university students aiming to enter an investigative journalism competition started exploring dark corners of the country’s internet. The pair discovered that online chat rooms, run on the popular Telegram Messenger app and known as “Nth Rooms”, were being used to distribute and view child sexual abuse material in what is now believed to be the worst case of sexual exploitation in the nation’s modern history.

The students, who requested anonymity for safety reasons, alerted the police. Investigations continue but by March this year authorities confirmed that more than 70 victims, one quarter of whom were minors, had been coerced into performing sex acts, some violent. Many were blackmailed into silence. The audience was estimated at more than a quarter of a million. “I couldn’t get the images out of my head . . . they were in my dreams,” one of the pair tells the FT. “I felt a huge sense of helplessness.”


Park Won-soon, the popular mayor of Seoul, was found dead in July shortly after allegations of sexual harassment were reported © Chung Sung-Jun/Getty
While there is no suggestion the Nth Room crimes had any connection to the entertainment industry, their uncovering showed that just as companies and the government seek to draw attention to South Korea by leveraging hallyu, a new generation is working equally hard to expose what they see as a crisis facing many women.

Ryu Ho-jeong, the country’s youngest parliamentarian at 28, and one of 57 women in the 300-seat National Assembly, says an antiquated legal framework for sexual violence must be overhauled. “The law still stipulates that r*pe must involve assaults and threats — therefore r*pe is classified as such only when the victims strongly resisted. Many victims have not been protected properly.”

In July, Park Won-soon, the popular mayor of Seoul and a leading presidential contender, was found dead shortly after allegations of sexual harassment covering a period of several years were reported. The revelations raised questions over the ability of men in powerful positions to cover up wrongdoing, but also suggested that more victims are willing to speak out.


Ryu Ho-jeong, one of 57 women in South Korea’s 300-seat National Assembly, says: ‘Many [r*pe] victims have not been protected properly’ © office of Ryu Ho-jeon
In another sign of change, young women are increasingly taking to social media in response to the frequent threat of molka — men secretly filming women without their knowledge, often in public toilets, changing rooms or other private situations, and publishing the material online.

Amid this cultural reckoning there is no guarantee the entertainment industry will put its own house in order — despite companies’ assurances.

Leighanne Yuh, an expert in Korean culture and history at Korea University, says while the abuse exposed by cases like the Nth Rooms and the K-pop scandals is complex — pointing to political and legal issues — the problems have deep roots in the neo-Confucian belief propagated that women are simply subordinate to men and not to be respected. “This cuts across all generations and all social classes because this is so fully ingrained in Korean culture,” she says.

Lee Eun-eui — a lawyer and women’s rights advocate who a decade ago successfully won a lawsuit against Samsung over its failures in handling her complaints of sexual assault — says the string of high-profile cases has sparked knee-jerk promises by officials and lawmakers but has not led to the sweeping changes that South Korean society needs.

“We pay the price for what we have been neglecting,” she says.




Hello Boti, I’ve been scouring the internet trying to find BtS dirt and finally I’ve found it! Your input makes so much more sense than those bts thread about Illuminati! It all makes sense, the lying and manipulation techniques by Bpd and Bh, the fake persona and struggles of the members and etc they all makes sense! However, I do have some questions if you don’t mind me asking :)
 

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Thank you for sharing. This is amazing work !
I hope many many people to watch this.
The part with the church got under my skin. I almost got tears remembering what the church should have stand for and all the dirty business they’re doing. You touched so many different areas and subjects.
Hats off!

I had no idea how much of the NWO shit kpop music is incorporating. It’s like they cannot come up with anything else.
Joke’s on them. Didn’t helped anybody. None of them are worldwide famous and that auto-tune is the same in all music. All the “drama” in their videos is so similar.
Min 58:18 - is that the guy from Horrible Bosses?? Hahaha.
I second that comment over 1:24:00.
Similar to this creepy scene and the way those men are looking at that child.
http://instagr.am/p/CFGyZU9pXNy/



hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Cadiiiiiz.
Didn’t know about it, thank you for the update. 4 more remixes it’s ah....a bit too much.
The other remixes were worst than the song.
They had one good remix - fake love at mama’s or something when they incorporated more traditional instruments. I personally like it more as the original.
But everything else is simply pushing for streams and for what?
because they lost to cardi’s “wet ass pussy”?

I got a little something in return - they also have a new-new video coming up.
Something about “secret location”.
Also Dynamite.

If they would have just left it out with one version...



She was also sold by her parents instead of being protected.
Her father still has custody over her and her money?? What’s that for a life..
Let me guess..at some point TH’s parents will fully take over his money. Next time he walks into a wall.

I just remembered something regarding that scandal with the news station reporting on contract issues between the members and BigHit. You know, the one that got access to their stuff later..
In that report they mentioned that it was the members and THEIR PARENTS going to a different lawyer.
Why ? They’re not minors and their parents don’t know anything about entertainment law/business. None of them are involved in music.
Why would the parents go with their mid 20s men-children and not the members alone. How much control over the money and decisions do their parents have..?
Interesting.
the old man clearly stares at that kid girl butt it's disgusting
 

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Maybe someone can explain what’s so funny, I don’t get it.
I am posting it because TH mentions how “little” to eat they had in the begging.
as far as I know tea joined the group in 2011, the group debuted in 2013. So, he was around 16-18 years old when this happened. He was still in a growing age. I mean even for adults these standards are not acceptable. but I bet @rmy will take this as "they work hard".
 

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Maybe someone can explain what’s so funny, I don’t get it.
I am posting it because TH mentions how “little” to eat they had in the begging.
I mention how at that time he was a minor and if so this was child abuse, also his parents rather than taking his money, they should have taken him out. And because at that time Bang was still a millionaire and if he intentionally starved or make them live in poor conditions, that’s a bunch of several child abuse violations.
But hell...who am I talking about. As someone mentioned previously, their entire entertainment world in SK is about abuse, they’re doing it in front of everyone’s eye.

So can someone really put the blame on Bang for being a criminal if they all agreed to live in those circumstances while Bang was shopping for little boys around town?

I wouldn’t let a stranger touch, torture or starve my child. But that’s just silly me.

http://instagr.am/p/CFR5vk9JO5W/
Not only bang all ceo’s are like that , even though they have all the money in the world they dont want to spend it in any beginner group to better their living conditions . Look at jyp or yg sm, all beginners had bad living conditions were giving little money for food . And even that ( small room , food. Etc) Is a deby. Until you work and make money for them and pay of the debt , then still 90% goes to the company . All you earn is the fame , is like a game more fame means you can unlock more gifts . Lol big car big ring big this .
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Bang playing again.
After TH mentioned for months his upcoming mixtape, Spotify made a “V” playlist, verified JK and Apple Music set up a profile for JK.
No doubt it’s all planned to create confusion, but what are your thoughts?

Do you think they’ll go with JK first and then TH? JK didn’t mentioned anything, touring isn’t on sight for at least 6 months, obviously TH would break any record and JK would come second to him, so releasing both at the same time seems wasted.

I think that if they release JK first it will be too obvious when TH releases his mixtape that he crushed Bang’s darling.
JK was a bit in the background in the past months. Despite his opening Dynamite, with TH in the center he kinda disappeared.
A verified profile doesn’t mean anything, it’s not a sign for an upcoming release, if anything it’s one of those obvious games of BigHit’s. TH talks for months about his upcoming mixtape and suddenly Jk ends up with verified profiles on both Spotify and Apple.
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Hmmm. Looks like bighit and jungkook didn't like that.
 
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Hahaha. Great ! Loving it.

This time it’s me who has to say - poor TH. And I mean it. I bet Bang will do something to sabotage him. not much. Just enough to not stand in JK’s way.



C’mon. 4 mil?
To me that translates to at least double. All the side money.
But let’s say 4 mil in profit. Why not investing in some food or dorms? I am asking of course ironically.
Speaking of sabotage. This might not make sense, but I think dispatch releases fake scandals to ruin an idols image? You think bighit will pay them to do that to taehyung? Because I read somewhere in a comment section about the woojin situation saying "If only y'all had the same energy for Seungri. Y'all would've found out he was innocent."
 
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My apologies for interrupting.

I received private messages from 3 members informing me about discussions about me in the other thread and for my piece of mind I would like to clarify and remember people that:

I never once said anything ironical/ negative about the other thread. It is stupid to claim otherwise but that’s not on me. I expressed my appreciation towards many things that have been written, even though I don’t share the same view about BTS’s involvement with rituals, etc as explained.

Nevertheless the work done/analysis are worth appreciating.
I already explained the reasons of my departure and how this thread is simply a different approach and covering other related subjects.

I do an extensive research on topics related to politics/entertainment/BTS as per the name of the thread, as part of my project.

For those who experienced my postings from the beginning - you know my language and how I view things.

I am doing this as part of an attempt to write a piece for theater/musical about something similar to BTS.

I have worked in this business for 20 years (since kindergarten) and I have no kind words for what BTS members stand for.

I did had appreciation for their beginnings but in this business you are the things you stand for/cater for.

You either choose the value of your work, or to be a puppet. It goes the same for Ballett, classical music, theater etc.

I said it in a message, I am saying it here -
BTS have no shame into trashing my profession, I have no shame into exposing them.

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

The eviL being Bang and his ceo gang, Netmarble, etc.

If you think that classical world is different, you would be surprised to know how much more abuse one experiences there. More than what you know of kpop.
Unfortunately the system is so tight that if you ever complain, your entire life work is gone. Which is why people don’t talk about it.

I am not “mocking” those who are still feeling connected somehow to BTS.

But I won’t stand to be trashed by someone who can’t handle the truth about their fictional crush being something that might destroy their perfect image.

I personally listen to BTS and almost any kind of music.

I take into consideration that every thing I say about them could be wrong.

I also admitted to equally be guilty of having an obsession since I am preoccupied with this subject, but let’s be honest, we’re all here because at some point we liked them. Including me.

I liked Yoongi, Namjoon, TH and Jin. The first 3 in their beginnings for their qualities, Jin because I’ve found him to be charming.

I didn’t had a particular crush. I do have a particular disappointment and occasional disgust with TH and Yoongi.

I enjoy jokes and I feel like I am creating a profile for grinder. Yeah. The gay app.
That’s all.
I am derailing the thread that I myself opened
I saw some of these comments in the other thread and thought its so unnecessary...if they don't like the thread, no need to come here, but those usually start unnecessary drama in that thread too, I won't mention name though
 
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The south Korean president is disgusting and evil person, I have read an article about him in Korean through google translate, and he was exposed as criminal who in involved in a lots of crimes in Korea, he also is freemason I think thats not secret

its no wonder he is best friend with BTS lol...bird of same feather flock together
 

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Bang playing again.
After TH mentioned for months his upcoming mixtape, Spotify made a “V” playlist, verified JK and Apple Music set up a profile for JK.
No doubt it’s all planned to create confusion, but what are your thoughts?

Do you think they’ll go with JK first and then TH? JK didn’t mentioned anything, touring isn’t on sight for at least 6 months, obviously TH would break any record and JK would come second to him, so releasing both at the same time seems wasted.

I think that if they release JK first it will be too obvious when TH releases his mixtape that he crushed Bang’s darling.
JK was a bit in the background in the past months. Despite his opening Dynamite, with TH in the center he kinda disappeared.
A verified profile doesn’t mean anything, it’s not a sign for an upcoming release, if anything it’s one of those obvious games of BigHit’s. TH talks for months about his upcoming mixtape and suddenly Jk ends up with verified profiles on both Spotify and Apple.
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I think jk's will come out first. Jk is silent about him releasing anything , while tae wants fans to expect sth. But I have a hunch that maybe jk will be the first .
 

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My apologies for interrupting.

I received private messages from 3 members informing me about discussions about me in the other thread and for my piece of mind I would like to clarify and remember people that:

I never once said anything ironical/ negative about the other thread. It is stupid to claim otherwise but that’s not on me. I expressed my appreciation towards many things that have been written, even though I don’t share the same view about BTS’s involvement with rituals, etc as explained.

Nevertheless the work done/analysis are worth appreciating.
I already explained the reasons of my departure and how this thread is simply a different approach and covering other related subjects.

I do an extensive research on topics related to politics/entertainment/BTS as per the name of the thread, as part of my project.

For those who experienced my postings from the beginning - you know my language and how I view things.

I am doing this as part of an attempt to write a piece for theater/musical about something similar to BTS.

I have worked in this business for 20 years (since kindergarten) and I have no kind words for what BTS members stand for.

I did had appreciation for their beginnings but in this business you are the things you stand for/cater for.

You either choose the value of your work, or to be a puppet. It goes the same for Ballett, classical music, theater etc.

I said it in a message, I am saying it here -
BTS have no shame into trashing my profession, I have no shame into exposing them.

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

The eviL being Bang and his ceo gang, Netmarble, etc.

If you think that classical world is different, you would be surprised to know how much more abuse one experiences there. More than what you know of kpop.
Unfortunately the system is so tight that if you ever complain, your entire life work is gone. Which is why people don’t talk about it.

I am not “mocking” those who are still feeling connected somehow to BTS.

But I won’t stand to be trashed by someone who can’t handle the truth about their fictional crush being something that might destroy their perfect image.

I personally listen to BTS and almost any kind of music.

I take into consideration that every thing I say about them could be wrong.

I also admitted to equally be guilty of having an obsession since I am preoccupied with this subject, but let’s be honest, we’re all here because at some point we liked them. Including me.

I liked Yoongi, Namjoon, TH and Jin. The first 3 in their beginnings for their qualities, Jin because I’ve found him to be charming.

I didn’t had a particular crush. I do have a particular disappointment and occasional disgust with TH and Yoongi.

I enjoy jokes and I feel like I am creating a profile for grinder. Yeah. The gay app.
That’s all.
I am derailing the thread that I myself opened
I really appreciate your threads and your extensive research, you really elaborate on so much.
 

Kimchi

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The south Korean president is disgusting and evil person, I have read an article about him in Korean through google translate, and he was exposed as criminal who in involved in a lots of crimes in Korea, he also is freemason I think thats not secret

its no wonder he is best friend with BTS lol...bird of same feather flock together
I Completely agree with you...i didn't want to offend anybody and i am glad that you express with your words what i think about him
 

Pruu

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This is really getting to me, andI have to say it. I hate their fashion. BTS have No sense of fashion, I mean having all that money and for what??! Just looking at how they wear makes me sick to my stomach, they are so popular and they wear like middle age dads. Their outfits for dynamite were so pathetic....
Just look at the second pic .. who dresses them?? I could do a better job than that. But this is completely my opinion.
 

Kimchi

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My apologies for interrupting.

I received private messages from 3 members informing me about discussions about me in the other thread and for my piece of mind I would like to clarify and remember people that:

I never once said anything ironical/ negative about the other thread. It is stupid to claim otherwise but that’s not on me. I expressed my appreciation towards many things that have been written, even though I don’t share the same view about BTS’s involvement with rituals, etc as explained.

Nevertheless the work done/analysis are worth appreciating.
I already explained the reasons of my departure and how this thread is simply a different approach and covering other related subjects.

I do an extensive research on topics related to politics/entertainment/BTS as per the name of the thread, as part of my project.

For those who experienced my postings from the beginning - you know my language and how I view things.

I am doing this as part of an attempt to write a piece for theater/musical about something similar to BTS.

I have worked in this business for 20 years (since kindergarten) and I have no kind words for what BTS members stand for.

I did had appreciation for their beginnings but in this business you are the things you stand for/cater for.

You either choose the value of your work, or to be a puppet. It goes the same for Ballett, classical music, theater etc.

I said it in a message, I am saying it here -
BTS have no shame into trashing my profession, I have no shame into exposing them.

All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

The eviL being Bang and his ceo gang, Netmarble, etc.

If you think that classical world is different, you would be surprised to know how much more abuse one experiences there. More than what you know of kpop.
Unfortunately the system is so tight that if you ever complain, your entire life work is gone. Which is why people don’t talk about it.

I am not “mocking” those who are still feeling connected somehow to BTS.

But I won’t stand to be trashed by someone who can’t handle the truth about their fictional crush being something that might destroy their perfect image.

I personally listen to BTS and almost any kind of music.

I take into consideration that every thing I say about them could be wrong.

I also admitted to equally be guilty of having an obsession since I am preoccupied with this subject, but let’s be honest, we’re all here because at some point we liked them. Including me.

I liked Yoongi, Namjoon, TH and Jin. The first 3 in their beginnings for their qualities, Jin because I’ve found him to be charming.

I didn’t had a particular crush. I do have a particular disappointment and occasional disgust with TH and Yoongi.

I enjoy jokes and I feel like I am creating a profile for grinder. Yeah. The gay app.
That’s all.
I am derailing the thread that I myself opened
I find this thread interesting...your reasearches are not only about Bts, but they are about others things ..i need to find time to read the thread from the beginning
 

Kimchi

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I can't u
This is really getting to me, andI have to say it. I hate their fashion. BTS have No sense of fashion, I mean having all that money and for what??! Just looking at how they wear makes me sick to my stomach, they are so popular and they wear like middle age dads. Their outfits for dynamite were so pathetic....
Just look at the second pic .. who dresses them?? I could do a better job than that. But this is completely my opinion.
I can't understand their fashion choices...who is their stylist?Bang pd?
 
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