End times vision, prophecies and dreams thread.

Lisa

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The world is bigger than that. Have you noticed there are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and even those that have no religious attachments, that come to this forum? There are billions of people on this planet that have never heard of your Jehoval or Jesus. Strangely enough, though, we all exist together in the same space and time.
There are Jews that come here? I haven’t talked to any.

You mean Yahweh? A lot of people have heard of Jesus...though not everyone believes on Him in the same way which is a problem.

We do all exist together but only the people who believe on the only begotten Son of God are saved..the rest are lost.
 






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The shepherde has shown you over ten times already... so o boy here we go again.
You showed no biblical truths I'm afraid.

Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is a countdown until the Christ and the antichrist.
No its not. In the Bible there is the 2300 day/ year prophecy which was given to Daniel in vision. This is the longest time period prophecy in the Bible and it is the one that comes to the end of time. "And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed” (Daniel 8:14). The cleansing of the sanctuary means judgement and I explained it in greater detail according to the Bible in my Heavenly Temple/Sanctuary thread. The sanctuary shall be cleansed in the end time period.

In Daniel 9:24 the angel Gabriel explained to Daniel that 70 weeks/490 years were to be cut off, measured off, or appointed for God's people. "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." To anoint the most holy means it was the beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry and He did that with His baptism.

This 490 year period was cut off from the the 2300 years mentioned in Daniel's vision. We know this because the Bible shows us that the 70 weeks are “determined” or “given” by God to His people. It shows us that the 70 weeks/490 years, are part of a longer time period. They are part of the 2,300 years of Daniel 8. So therefore the 490 years and the 2300 years have the same beginning. When was the beginning of the 2300 year time period? The angel Gabriel told Daniel in Daniel 9:25, "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times." God's people were in captivity in the Persian empire at this time. The decree was made in the seventh year of King Artaxerxes. I'll leave the dates out of this for now.

Its important to note that the angel told Daniel in verse 25, "That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;" Those are 69 weeks altogether to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah who is obviously Jesus. Its not talking about His second coming here. Now 69 weeks in literal years is 483 years. That leaves 1 week or 7 literal years.

Gabriel continues to explain to Daniel what will happen in the middle of the last week in verses 26 and 27. "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Messiah being cut off is Jesus' crucifixion. The middle of 7 years is 31/2 years. Jesus's ministry on earth lasted 31/2 years and He was crucified. Bringing an end to sacrifice and offering means that Jesus' death had brought an end to the Jewish sacrificial system because that system was always about Jesus' death. He was now the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. "who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself" (Hebrews 7:27).

The last 31/2 days/years of the 70-week/490 year time period ends when Stephen is stoned to death. The Jews had collectively as a nation rejected God for the final time. All throughout the 490 year period they had rejected prophets and finally Christ. Jesus had told them before His crucifixion that the gospel was going to be preached to another nation (Gentiles) and they were no longer God's chosen people (Matthew 21:43). They were no longer a special people. After Stephen's stoning, Jesus’ apostles and followers began to take the Gospel to the Gentiles. Paul, the one who consented to the stoning of Stephen, became the apostle to the Gentile world. Israel ceased to be the recipient of God’s truth.

2300 minus 490 leaves us with 1810 years. What does the Bible say about those remaining years. The vision Daniel had in chapter 8 is not only about the 2300 years. Gabriel told him, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end. ... I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation. ... Therefore seal up the vision, for it refers to many days in the future” (Daniel 8:17, 19, 26). Gabriel asserted that the 2,300-year vision involved events in the end time NOT the 70 weeks/490 years. So we come back to the beginning, “For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed” (Daniel 8:14). As I said above I explained this in more detail in another thread but the sanctuary being cleansed means judgement. Its the day of atonement except in the heavenly temple it lasts longer. There is a judgement going on in heaven right now since we are living in the end time and have been for hundreds of years because the 1810 years ended about 300 years ago. That is why when Jesus returns the second time He will already know who is saved and who isn't. “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work” (Revelation 22:12). This is truth of the Bible but it does need careful study with the help of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
 






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In Daniel 9:24 the angel Gabriel explained to Daniel that 70 weeks/490 years were to be cut off, measured off, or appointed for God's people. "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." To anoint the most holy means it was the beginning of Jesus' earthly ministry and He did that with His baptism.
God cut out 70 sevens/weeks for the jews and Jerusalem... before the end of the age.

In this prophecy is also a countdown until the Christ and the antichrist... and so it's possibe to know when the 70th and last week begins. That is if you understand the prophecy... which you obviously don't.

And that's okay... as far as i know only the shepherde understands it.
 






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God cut out 70 sevens/weeks for the jews and Jerusalem... before the end of the age.
Can you show me where it says that in scripture? I want proof from the Bible.

In this prophecy is also a countdown until the Christ and the antichrist... and so it's possibe to know when the 70th and last week begins. That is if you understand the prophecy... which you obviously don't.
Are you going to completely ignore the 2300 years? "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end. ... I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation. ... Therefore seal up the vision, for it refers to many days in the future” (Daniel 8:17, 19, 26). This scripture clearly says that the vision of Daniel 8 which includes the 2300 years "refers to the time of the end." It didn't say anything about the 70 weeks/490 years referring to the end time. And btw you have not proved to me that you understand end time prophecy better. You have shown no scriptural proof at all.

And that's okay... as far as i know only the shepherde understands it.
No you don't and that is very obvious.
 






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Can you show me where it says that in scripture? I want proof from the Bible.
But you quoted the verse...

Dan 9 24Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

This is finality... this is the end of the age.



Are you going to completely ignore the 2300 years? "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end. ... I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation. ... Therefore seal up the vision, for it refers to many days in the future” (Daniel 8:17, 19, 26). This scripture clearly says that the vision of Daniel 8 which includes the 2300 years "refers to the time of the end." It didn't say anything about the 70 weeks/490 years referring to the end time. And btw you have not proved to me that you understand end time prophecy better. You have shown no scriptural proof at all.
If you mix this prophecy with the 70 weeks prophecy... you get a mess.

Also it's 2300 days and not 2300 years...
 






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But you quoted the verse...

Dan 9 24Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

This is finality... this is the end of the age.




If you mix this prophecy with the 70 weeks prophecy... you get a mess.

Also it's 2300 days and not 2300 years...
Dan 9 24Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
This is finality... this is the end of the age.
I did and I explained what that was so I won't explain it again. If you're going to believe that the 70 weeks/490 years are the end time you would have to reject the next verses. Daniel 9:25 says, "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times." You know that Jerusalem was not restored and rebuilt in the end time. Jerusalem was rebuilt and restored (including the temple) biblically and historically before Jesus came the first time.

You will also be ignoring and rejecting the next verses, Daniel 9:26-27. "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Apart from the explanation I gave you (which is the truth), can you explain how Messiah will be cut off and bring an end to sacrifice and offering at the end time? Can you show me scripture that says that? Thanks.

You are still ignoring the 2300 year time period which the Bible tells us refers to time of the end.

If you mix this prophecy with the 70 weeks prophecy... you get a mess.
I'm not mixing anything and you know that. Its you who is mixing prophecy and ignoring and rejecting other parts to continue this false doctrine. The Bible explains itself and is consistent. It is impossible for the 70 week/490 year period to reach the end time. That is inconsistent with the whole Bible especially end time prophecy.
 






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I did and I explained what that was so I won't explain it again. You are ignoring and rejecting other scripture if you believe this aren't you? Like, Daniel 9:25, "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times." You know that Jerusalem was not restored and rebuilt in the end time. Jerusalem was rebuilt and restored biblically and historically before Jesus came the first time.
Sure... Jerusalem was restored and rebuilt long before Jesus was born. And then Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans... and then gentiles were trampling all over Jerusalemt... before the Jews restored control over Jerusalem again during the Six Day war.



You will also be ignoring and rejecting, Daniel 9:26-27. "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Apart from the explanation I gave you (which is the truth), can you explain how Messiah will be cut off and bring an end to sacrifice and offering at the end time? Can you me scripture too? Thanks.
This is finality.

to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

This is the end of the age.



You are still ignoring the 2300 year time period which the Bible tells us refers to time of the end.
You can't mix this with the 70 weeks prophecy... besides it's 2300 days and not years.


I'm not mixing anything and you know that now. Its you who is mixing prophecy and ignoring and rejecting other parts to continue this false doctrine. The Bible explains itself and is consistent.
The shepherde has spoken... you either listen or you don't.
 






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We all say that at the center of our being. That's the Oneness we all share.
Why would you want to have something you share with Christians? Do you think that will save ya then? Because it won’t.
 






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Why would you want to have something you share with Christians? Do you think that will save ya then? Because it won’t.
Only Christians think they need saving.

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
 






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Only Christians think they need saving.

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
A quote from some random person..trumps what God says..lol..ok.
 






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The world is bigger than that. Have you noticed there are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and even those that have no religious attachments, that come to this forum? There are billions of people on this planet that have never heard of your Jehoval or Jesus. Strangely enough, though, we all exist together in the same space and time.
“Billions”?
 






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Only Christians think they need saving.

"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
so what was Marcus Aurelius’ advice for living in the times that we’re currently in?
 






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so what was Marcus Aurelius’ advice for living in the times that we’re currently in?
"Bear in mind that all of this has happened before, and all will happen again, the same plot from beginning to end." -- Marcus Aurelius, emperor of Rome.

He also died from a plague that wiped out a large percentage of Rome.
 






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